01:55:06 <m-relay> <a​nter666:matrix.org> Morning
06:18:22 <m-relay> <s​adlittlewannabesamurai> howdy 🤠
06:32:14 <m-relay> <l​ardarse_fellowship:matrix.org> hello everyone. my first time in "this" matrix.
06:32:33 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hi
06:44:45 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> welcome to the matrix where Mr Anderson lives
10:06:04 <m-relay> <c​eruleous> is this channel still synced
10:38:08 <rbrunner> c​eruleous: "Synced" to IRC you mean? If yes, then yes. I am writing this on IRC.
12:29:34 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> In what details do monero core devs actually know the implementations of all cryptographic primitives used, for example the keccak hash function has a long reference, are devs writing impls directly from reference or implementation suggestions, how does it work if I may ask? Going through the book and try to go through everything and like don't know how deep in the rabbit hole I should be going
12:34:26 <moneromooo> Most primitives are from Daniel Berstein. Keccak was taken from an early implementation, can't recall the source. Some small amount of stuff is from libsodium IIRC.
12:34:48 <moneromooo> Newer stuff was coded from papers mostly by Sarang Noether.
12:35:33 <moneromooo> Well, that's a bit higher leel, so maybe it doesn't count as "primitives". I'm thinking of bulletproofs.
12:37:43 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> I see and sarang also authored or coauthored the zero to monero booklet
12:37:52 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Because I'm not formally educated but want to go heavy into the cryptography
12:38:07 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> So I suppose recursively investigating every impl. is going to be it
12:59:59 <rbrunner> s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud: Investigating every implementation may be very interesting, and you may learn a lot, but nevertheless sounds a bit "drastic" to me
13:00:14 <rbrunner> depending on what you intend to achieve and where you want to go of course
13:01:03 <rbrunner> And well, maybe you heard already that we try to switch to a quite different technological base called "Seraphis" over the mid term
13:01:09 <rbrunner> where many things will change
13:05:03 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Ya aware of that totally. This book is anyways in some regards at least 3 years out of date but considering the crypto in it still stands I suppose and it is well-readable documentation it's really great since it bundles everything together.
13:05:41 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> No telling when a next update is going to happen on this type of protocol documentation. Does Sarang do monero stuff still?
13:14:02 <moneromooo> Not as far as I know. The work was not stable enough.
13:14:24 <moneromooo> (as in no long term certainty)
13:14:43 <rbrunner> Yes and no. He works for the Cypher Stack company now, which may do work on behalf of the Monero dev community, which then lands in his hands
13:15:15 <rbrunner> The BP++ review may go to them, if finally it will be clear what to review, and how ...
13:16:33 <rbrunner> And they are involved in work for full chain membership proofs which may be in Monero's future as well
18:04:08 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Full chain membership proofs?
19:20:58 <rbrunner> sunnyday:catgirl.cloud: https://twitter.com/kayabaNerve/status/1672616243302465536
19:34:27 <m-relay> <s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Thanks!
20:57:31 <m-relay> <s​adlittlewannabesamurai> just asking to make sure; is it usual for for monero-blockchain-import to be stuck on "LMDB Mapsize increased." for a little while
20:57:40 <m-relay> <s​adlittlewannabesamurai> yes i am using an SSD