05:38:26 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/waifuhunter.club/vOwVXRcxkOJqutPXegkReLdm 05:38:37 unknown versions? what does this mean lol 05:38:54 does anyone else's display like this? It's in your Settings>Info btw 05:40:44 where did you download/install it from? 05:42:20 i would not depend on the text in settings->info to tell you its genuine .. its just text on your screen. i would confirm the hashes 05:42:25 https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ 05:43:09 click that link and download 18.3.1 , its newer :) 05:44:38 i don't want to right now, the latest update does not seem to affect me as I do not use macOS 05:45:49 the gui also benefits from everything included in the cli https://getmonero.org/2023/10/07/monero-0.18.3.1-released.html 05:46:17 you will at least save 1 second of your life every time you open it 05:51:13 i can access the cli right now in the gui, unless the daomon log is not the cli 05:52:48 oh sorry, by cli i meant monero core which is basically the back-end of the gui, definitely worth updating to 18.3.1 05:53:52 >>> version

Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.2.2-release) 0.18.2.2-release 05:54:27 that would be your monero daemon (monerod) version 05:54:51 ahh 05:55:37 again, that is what it says in release.. but its just text.. if you are concerned please confirm hashes https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html 05:58:15 can i verify it when I don't have the original installer anymore and just the program files? 05:59:56 no b..but you're going to download 18.3.1 anyway right?? :(((( 06:07:09 hbs i forgot to say thank you for writing that multisig how-to , ive read it but am yet to try 👍️ 06:13:19 Please provide me with some feedback once you've followed it so I can correct any error or refine some instructions. 06:13:50 I'm getting Gpg4win rn like the instruction is telling me to 06:14:01 now it says i need to verify... my gpg verifier... 06:16:46 https://gpg4win.org/package-integrity.html 06:17:44 instructions not clear, how do match this in file properties? 06:17:54 instructions not clear, how do I match this in the file properties? 06:24:17 also though i highly doubt that i somehow got a malicious copy, suppose i did what should i do to secure my funds afterwards 06:28:44 depends what the malicious copy has done to your computer, but you would need to transfer the funds to another wallet 06:30:26 and for checking gpg4win (several methods) https://wiki.gnupg.org/Gpg4win/CheckIntegrity 06:34:39 >When trying to run the installer on Windows, the User Access Control dialog will show the publisher, check that it is the one you expected it to be. :) 06:34:48 who do i expect it to be?? 06:37:52 https://3d-imaging.co.uk/blog/verifying-pgp4win/ 06:38:30 As far as I remember, unfortunately the installer is not signed, so Windows won't judge it to be from a trustworthy source and show the name of the source 06:39:03 It will basically just ask "Do you trust this?" Which, if you verified the installer using the hash, you can, IMHO. 06:40:04 i need to sleep, i'll continue this tomorrow 06:40:14 Good idea :) 06:40:40 "Be your own bank" can be pretty exhausting 10:08:51 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> If i have 13,7989434781 XMR is there a denotation that can expres the 4781 ? 10:08:56 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> If i have 13,7989434781 XMR is there a denotation that can expres the 4781 as a whole number? 10:09:02 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> If i have 13,7989434781 XMR is there a denotation that can express the 4781 as a whole number? 10:26:10 is 4781 nanoXMR or in short 4781nXMR what you are looking for? 10:30:37 (I thought it was called piconero) 10:31:54 Actually it should be 478.1 nXMR, unless I miscounted digits 10:32:34 There should be two more digits for the piconeros 10:32:46 13,798 943 4781 10:32:48 oh you're right 10:32:55 I need glasses 10:33:57 Yeah, reading 12 decimal places can be a pita lol 10:34:14 dealing with nF and pF values all day finally paid of :D 10:35:02 hah 10:37:16 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> trying to use Monero's approach to denomination to calculate the age of universe to be more manageable on daily bases by using the last four digits instead of 13.8 billion 10:37:18 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> tbh trying to use Monero's approach to denomination to calculate the age of universe to be more manageable on daily bases by using the last four digits instead of 13.8 billion 10:37:51 * m-relay <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is working on a novel timekeeping system 10:38:35 what? 10:39:04 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bcs i often use e.g. 4 centichans to refer to 0.04 XMR and alike and though it could be used there as well 10:39:41 https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/denominations.html like this? 10:39:47 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ye 10:40:05 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but it's using the metric system and the last 4 digits would end up being a fractional number 10:40:47 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and saying that today is the year 478.1 seems really stupid 10:42:08 oh wait I see now, you're working on a novel of sorts, right? 10:43:30 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ye 10:43:39 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> like novel timekeeping system 10:43:45 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> meaning new 10:44:03 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> where novel meaning new 10:46:40 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> to elaborate we currently use the gregorian calendar that indexes 1 AD as the birth of jesus christ.. i want to make a new calendar that is using the age of the universe as it's index but the issue is that the number is 137989434781 years since big bang 10:46:40 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So i was thinking that i could define it as 13,7989434781 and use monero's slang/denomination to express the last 4 digits 10:47:03 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> as monero seems to have the same problem and the denomination seems to be the solution to it 10:51:35 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> as monero seems to have the same problem and the denomination seems to be the solution to it there 11:25:22 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> actually i was able to calculate it from this, thanks! 11:43:19 The next denomination in SI units would be 478100 picoNeros 11:51:48 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | Name | Base 10 | Amount | 11:51:48 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | ---------- | ------- | --------------------- | 11:51:49 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | PicoCE | 10^-12 | 300.0 pCE | 11:51:49 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | NanoCE | 10^-9 | 202.3 nCE | 11:51:50 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | MicroCE | 10^-6 | 943.2023 μCE | 11:51:50 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | MilliCE | 10^-3 | 787.9432023 mCE | 11:51:51 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | CentiCE | 10^-2 | 78.79432023 cCE | 11:51:51 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | DeciCE | 10^-1 | 7.879432023 dCE | 11:51:52 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | Cosmic Era | 10^0 | 13.7879432023 CE | 11:51:52 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | DecaCE | 10^1 | 1.37879432023 daCE | 11:51:53 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | Reference | - | 137879432023 Ref. CE | 11:51:53 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I have this atm piconeros should be 300.0 no? (assuming using 13.7879432023) 11:53:25 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> (just imagine that instead of CE there is nero and XMR) 11:54:14 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> because 2300.0 pCE would pass the 1 nCE barrier right? 11:54:23 the units don't make sense 11:54:33 what are you trying to say? 11:55:10 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> trying to get denomination table of 13.7879432023 XMR basically 11:55:52 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> .. and then replace XMR with CE because it's used to calculate years since the big bang where denomination alike is just a way to manage the large number 11:57:59 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> where it's hierarchical notation so instead of saying that i have 13787943202.3 nCE it's supposed to be 202.3 nCE 11:58:47 thats just normal metric prefixed tho? 11:58:54 nothing to do with monero? 11:59:50 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> monero does the hierarchical notation afaik so that people can like spell out e.g. Buy a hotdog for 2 decineros 5 centineros 1 milinero and 326 microneros 12:00:08 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> at least people in my local area say it that way when i use XMR 12:00:30 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So i was thinking that it's a great idea to use for managing a large number while making it practically usable 12:01:25 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> (well people in my area would say 2 decichans 5 centichans 1 milichan and 326 microchans, but you get the point) 12:01:37 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> (well people in my area would say 2 decichans 5 centichans 1 milichan and 326 microchans, bcs Monero-chan, but you get the point) 12:03:48 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> to elaborate further it's been approximately 137879432023 years since the big bang which is impractical to use in daily life as people have to remember this long number so instead i want to do: 12:03:48 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 13.7879432023 = CE -> 202.3 nCE 12:03:49 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> And in daily life and use omit the separator dot so that it could be used as today's year is 2023 nano CEs 12:47:05 Aside from the fact that this is massively offtopic, your table actually implies that 1 CE = 10^9 years, so you're just giving a custom name to 1 Gigayear. What you probably had in mind was 13.whatever Gy = 1 CE, as in 1 CE is 13.whatever billion years (which would still be pointless, because there's no intrinsic reason to consider the age of the universe until now as "1 era") 12:54:40 do i have to create address on monero-wallet-rpc with `create_address`? 12:54:43 or i can just use indexes? 12:55:08 i think i have to do that 12:57:15 yeah, it's best if you take it to #monero-offtopic:monero.social Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️ , but you're mistaken, your table makes no sense. 13:34:15 meow 16:19:02 good morning 16:19:12 where is the monero gui program usually saved to I forgot 16:22:23 which OS are you using? 16:22:32 on windows 16:44:30 can explain me quickly whats going on with the CCS story ? 16:44:32 can someone explain me quickly whats going on with the CCS story ? 16:45:08 why fluffy is gone from core and why are people starting to doubt about monero's privacy on reddit 16:51:16 Hack due to surprisingly bad opsec or someone put hand in cookie jar 16:52:20 Fluffy resigned a few years ago due to some 100000$ fraud issue and problems with LE, at least from what I undersand. 16:52:20 For some reason fluff still had access to that wallet 16:54:01 I guess redditors stress out about moonstone research.com, a tracing company for monero. You should know the partial tracing only worked because a) the private wallet key was shared with the company (its worthless after the wallet was drained) and b) because a non standard transaction was used 16:55:21 Fluffy actually "resigned" "8 hours ago" 16:55:21 I thought he had already resigned years ago (if can find that everyone on the search engine) 16:55:29 Fluffy actually "resigned" "8 hours ago" 16:55:29 I thought he had already resigned years ago (if can find that everywhere on the search engine) 16:56:22 Fluffy actually "resigned" "8 hours ago" 16:56:22 I thought he had already resigned years ago (Can find that everywhere on the search engine) 16:56:45 alright thx for the explanations 16:57:20 Fluffy stepped down as lead maintainer 3 years ago or so 16:57:43 after the arrest wallets where he had access where swept and he was removed from repo access 16:58:47 but for example server infrastructure were setup by him so it wasn't easily possible to completely remove him 16:59:49 image.png 16:59:54 lol 17:00:48 I love posts like this image.png 17:00:54 but funds accumulated again over time because the wallet in the ccs wasn't changed 17:00:54 wen real bridge 17:01:27 irc doesn't support images right 17:01:41 they can be linked 17:01:42 Nop 17:02:41 is there any other explanation for why my gui version shows as 0.18.2.2-**unknown** other than I'm being haxxed? 17:05:08 You compiled it yourself? Downloaded it on getmonero or used the package manager and if so what distribution? 17:05:14 no, it's just related to the build process 17:05:35 i looked into it once but don't remember the details, it's a harmless bug 17:05:52 https://www.getmonero.org/2023/04/04/monero-GUI-0.18.2.2-released.html 17:06:25 first time i used the installer, this time I just downloaded the zip and moved it to my existing Monero GUI Wallet folder 17:09:39 oh, and on windows 17:15:34 Technically don't matter much (as long as there is no crap installed) 17:15:34 We got way much CVE on CPUs and Linux lately, like for example the linux dynamic linker giving root to anyone asking nicely 17:16:23 One of the Russian ransomware C&C was running Linux and got cancelled by some Ukrainian thanks to one of these CVE 17:17:43 i haven't updated my arch in ages 17:17:48 Wait, you where the one for the monerogui issue, not about the CCS wallet 17:18:02 do it, don't delay 17:18:16 i'll do it the next time I boot it up 17:18:45 18.3.1 is crying now, are you happy now? 17:18:46 yeah 17:18:53 have fun updating an Arch that did not get updated for forever (be ready to boot in rescue to salvage the data in case something go wrong) 17:19:00 uohh.. 17:19:48 Technically don't matter much (as long as there is no crap installed) 17:19:48 We got way much CVE on CPUs and Linux lately, like for example the linux dynamic loader giving root to anyone asking nicely 17:20:04 >you vil updoot and you vil be happy 17:20:30 I haven't updated it in a month 17:24:15 I gave up on arch. get behind on updates, forget trying to catch up. 17:25:10 i think if you don't update for a few months your signature will expire, and then you have to go through the trouble of renewing that before you can actually update your system 17:25:29 That is one of the possible thing that go wrong yeah 17:33:08 hyc: it's not that bad (anymore) 17:33:58 update archlinux-keyring first and you should be good 19:33:41 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Do you have the shirt? 19:34:40 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/btw-I-use-Arch-by-archdesigner/34777640.FB110 20:11:33 Just to show how dark the jungle is out there, some novel passive "attack" on SSH keys: https://eprint.iacr.org/2023/1711.pdf 20:12:20 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Someone click the link first for me :) 20:13:05 eprint.iacr.org is safe 20:13:05 It's like for science papers and stuff like that afaik 20:13:34 can always run it in a disposable qube 20:13:43 Yup. The famous German IT security blogger "fefe" commented about this: "Maybe consider cultivating roses instead?" 20:15:30 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Hmm 20:17:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> I’ll turn lockdown mode just incase its pegasus :0 20:21:32 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Can we try proxychains on Luigi’s pc? 21:40:22 rbrunner: The conference proceedings where that paper is published is Computer and Communications Security (CCS). Ominous? 21:46:54 regarding arch updates, i have a script that does unattended upgrades every couple of hours on my daily driver laptop and it's surprisingly stable 21:54:23 the last time Loveras proposal went to funding the CCS broke https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/112ykeb/psa_ccs_funding_required_page_technical_issues/ 22:09:36 lovera stole the moneyz 22:25:10 we warned them to not pay him 2$ an hour! 22:34:48 he dindu nuffin 22:34:51 he a good boy 22:38:02 for those wondering, Lovera has some great spanish/monero content, heres a video about featherwallets new seed brute force (for when your paper backup is damaged slightly) https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=_FckbyRj89s 22:42:05 dont use yewtube its my datamining honeypot 22:43:14 That's why it's down half the time I try to use it🤔🤔 22:43:42 are you saying kyun has frequent downtime? 22:43:59 well youre right because half of the issen vms are about to go down because im transferring them to another node 22:44:11 I would never 23:28:13 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Use piped 23:28:17 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> When it works 23:28:31 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> :/ 23:57:56 invidious > piped