01:42:41 Trocador runs a Tor node. You can check it at monero.fail 01:43:01 https://trocadorh642rks54sxufwy4kys23mrsgof3axowyro5ljb2dkgdlmad.onion:18089 04:26:31 methinks they're saying that peer meticulating (being overly analytical regarding statistical whatsits) could be lowerd. 04:28:08 basically, boost the priority of peers found on The Elite Networks. 06:04:22 does anybody use a service like trocador prepaids to pay for there phone plan? 07:03:27 I'm sure thay do, why else would tracador keep the service up? 07:12:22 looking at their post on reddit it seems like the prepaid cards they use have some acceptability issues at times 08:19:30 MoneroKon 2024 Volunteer Sign up: https://volunteer.monerokon.org 08:21:07 does a monero sportsbook exist? 16:25:21 I have a 13th gen core i5 is it worth mining monero with it 16:29:08 aiena: likely not profitable 16:29:47 What hardware do they use to mine monero currently 16:55:20 xmrig.com/benchmark 20:41:40 Why can't I send to an address_book entry in wallet-cli... Shouldn't I be able to do `transfer `? 20:56:08 When removal of Mymonero and edge from getmonero.org , we are not in 2016/17 to need these light wallets which compromise user privacy 22:01:31 back ping invoke wrong response "OK" 22:01:57 so would an outdated daemon respond with "OK"?> 22:03:07 well, a daemon that doesn't have the back ping checker thing 22:22:17 Mymonero was removed temporarily during the hardfork 22:22:48 Grampy opened an issue / request to only list light wallets that work with lws 22:22:57 Core wants it there, it seems. 22:25:28 edge voiced interest in LWS, but the conversation was more of than idea than a goal. 22:25:29 would likely need work with edge to explain how to allow it to work with lws. 22:25:29 though... doesnt edge store you seed oj their server 😂 22:45:17 They always come back after they fix the wallet, subadress are still not supported after almost half a decade. 22:45:17 Not to add so many view keys being harvested. 22:45:18 But I guess till fluffy pays infra bill it will stay there. 22:46:05 Edge uses mymonero services 22:46:19 Fluffy isnt involved with mymonero anymore afaik 22:46:34 says who 22:46:43 I dont remember 22:46:47 nice 22:46:57 Maybe fluffypony 22:47:29 Who operates mymonero ? 3 letter agencies? 22:47:52 Id assume so 22:47:53 i operated it for four years 22:47:55 personally 22:48:11 How about since fluffys arrest? 22:48:22 i left 9 mos before that 22:48:25 Nobody cares about what mymonero _was_ 22:48:32 my share was stolen 22:48:37 yes they do care 22:49:15 You must be named "nobody" then.. because everyone else just cares what it _is_ 22:49:36 youre not making sense even if that were true 22:49:42 people care what it *was* 22:49:49 that's why it was something 22:50:18 Is and was are completely different things 22:50:19 and i'm telling you, some of us operated it at personal cost as an open community project 22:50:27 yes that is fine 22:50:36 but dont lose what it could have been, community 22:50:58 I never said anything to the contrary. 22:50:59 what it could have been, isnt what it is 22:51:01 and dont forget the lives that were given to it 22:51:12 Could have would have should have. 22:51:12 were waiting for you, endogenic 22:51:13 yeah that's for sure 22:51:35 good. this emscripten bug is nearly sealed up at least 22:51:41 Otherwise, what is is, isnt what it should be or what it could have been 22:51:53 What it* is 22:51:58 as long as monero still matters to the world, what i have under wraps is pretty damn exciting 22:52:18 back to coding i go 22:52:42 monero cant even fundraise for final 1/4 of the year during holiday season 22:52:46 Pathetic 22:53:19 Monero matters until some less incompetent fools surpass us 22:54:46 Incompetent isnt meant to imply inability, 22:54:47 but uncompetitive ie comfortable 22:56:23 do you really want monero to survive? we should have a conversation again about it then 22:56:40 people we now realize are not who we wanted them to be affected the course of monero's technical development 22:56:55 Example: we have finally have a road away from ring sigs with fcmp, coming from contributors who are enthusiastic about about getting it done 22:57:02 Been listening for over a year now, no insights; no sneak peaks; no community involvement 22:57:03 Is it just another corporate tool in making ? 22:57:07 we need to re evaluate some items we previously decided arent a match technically for monero. and we need to welcome researchers back 22:57:28 <123bob123:matrix.org> soon ™️ 22:57:39 Sounds like fluffy 22:57:44 endogenic: instead of welcoming res#arches 22:58:01 We give them 8 weeks to raise "whatever they can", while generalfund sits on a million 22:58:08 <123bob123:matrix.org> finger printed! 22:58:22 And then we get hacked and 16 weeks later, still no funding 22:58:26 anyone's who's serious about saving monero please DM me 22:58:33 or talk here 22:58:47 it was considered dramatic 4 years ago when i said its survival is threatened 22:59:13 i said it could become a wiki page about a funky old project that become a dinosaur and lost its culture of hackers, dev and research 22:59:19 i said it for a reason, not out of ignorance 22:59:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> jebus? 22:59:47 i know exactly what i'm saying when i say that. it has happened dozens of times in history to other projects. we have warned about social attacks for a reason 22:59:50 monerojebus yes 22:59:56 minus the murder part 22:59:59 > i said it could become a wiki page about a funky old project that become a dinosaur and lost its culture of hackers, dev and research 23:00:00 +1 23:01:59 if people want monero to survive they should confirm the reality of what happened and not forget it. covering up such things or not thinking what happened here is important is what will lead us to be caught off guard and destroyed as a project by them 23:02:07 it happened so many times in human history 23:02:27 Let’s start with LWS and your tool which is being made which comes up when lws is mentioned 23:03:17 i will publish on it literally as soon as i fix some bugs and flesh out my writeup 23:03:28 i survived on the streets, in basements and on couches etc for this 23:03:30 for four years 23:03:35 went into literal hiding 23:03:45 so i promise it's real 23:03:50 gotta bbl tho 23:04:44 Well in monero land we even spell out what we dreamt last night 23:04:44 I am sorry you had to go through this, hope things are looking better for you 23:05:41 And are you still writing here over some public wifi ? 23:07:22 Anyways, while we wait for you to come out 23:07:22 We need mymonero/edge kinda crap removed from getmonero asap, can’t be a privacy project at the same time handing over view keys to some unknown entity 23:07:33 Or even a know entity 23:08:29 If fluffy is serious about privacy and has control over mymonero he should shut it down immediately 23:09:06 <123bob123:matrix.org> can use LWS 23:09:10 <123bob123:matrix.org> but yeah 23:09:13 Or else we keep feeding data to someone 23:09:48 <123bob123:matrix.org> we are GDPR Complaint sir 23:09:59 LWS is no comparison to mymonero atm and even after lws if mymonero still is around the problem doesn’t go 23:10:25 <123bob123:matrix.org> we are GDPR Compliant sir 23:11:25 Delist mymonero and edge, only open source wallets should be on getmonero and not some backend which collects viewkeys 23:11:34 Harvests* 23:13:50 Or we can just wait for news to hit that millions of viewkeys were harvested and hacked and they can’t find a trace how it happened 23:14:53 Exit scam 2023 only few weeks left…. 23:18:25 delisting mym wouldnt prevent that 23:18:33 Who controls getmonero.org domain and servers ? 23:18:35 not that i care either way 23:18:47 Yes, but why wait lol 23:19:09 <123bob123:matrix.org> the fluffy i think 23:19:14 Same person who controls the wallet 23:19:17 Binartfate 23:19:27 <123bob123:matrix.org> 16.04 23:19:47 Is there anything fluffy doesn’t control ? Seems like monero ceo lol 23:20:07 hmmm 23:20:16 me i guess 23:20:35 <123bob123:matrix.org> of the fluffy is cdn 23:20:42 fluffy doesnt control nearly as much now as he used to 23:20:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> oh the fluffy is cdn 23:21:14 Yah but since 2018 how much has it changed ? And are the ppl controlling chooses by fluffy ? 23:21:34 They are core team 23:21:48 Yah but since 2018 how much has it changed ? And are the ppl controlling chosen by fluffy ? 23:21:48 Not chosen by fluffy 23:21:52 Chosen by core 23:22:14 Like board of directors? Are they known 23:22:15 Fluffy was behind bars when decisions were made 23:22:55 the core team is a rabbit hole too deep to get into right now 23:23:13 <123bob123:matrix.org> but lets split everything 23:23:19 But monero is(was) not a democracy by any means 23:23:31 More of a republic 23:23:56 What’s the justification to still have mymonero on getmonero ? Fluffy himself said it was need when wallets were not that good 23:24:04 Core team used to be in charge of a lot 23:24:27 Binaryfate told me to stop being a lil bitch about it 23:24:33 and nobody elsee spoke up 23:24:53 (Not verbatim) 23:24:56 do you have the chat transcript of that? geez 23:25:03 Ofrnxmr seem to be on core 23:25:06 From -site 23:25:19 Binary is not fit for the job then 23:25:51 Well, the current proposal for ccs wallet is binaryfate vs luigi 💀 23:26:51 If mymonero is on getmonero then binary is unfit to even manage a single xmr for ccs or general fund 23:27:44 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2011 23:28:10 Is binary on mymonero payroll? 23:28:11 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2162 23:28:21 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2029 23:28:23 Or do they have his balls 23:28:29 "unpaid" 23:28:43 He's "RINO" 23:28:58 So im sure he's self sufficient somehow 23:29:37 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2030 23:29:40 dont you guys remember his prior co? 23:29:42 Yes Rino is atleast much better than mymonero but still centralised 23:30:08 Obviously with a few hundred thousand xmr you are sufficient 23:30:44 Not that old, what was it 23:31:59 With mymonero on getmonero some ppl are going to dig their graves 23:32:16 Anyways that’s for it today 23:32:28 Have a good day/night 23:32:41 I havent seen fluffy recommend or retweet mymonero is a very long time. He also counters their bs kyc tweets 23:33:12 I, of course, dont follow fluffy'as every word, so perhaps i missed a tweet 23:33:52 I am not a fluffy hater, i can’t digest a view key harvesting apps on getmonero 23:34:06 Same 23:34:20 Especially when its run by "who tf knows" 23:34:50 Who's in charge of this 1998 UI 23:34:59 And lws view key leaking software 23:35:00 Indeed and that opens door for more suspicons 23:37:14 And why LWS development has been kept suppressed knowing how good it can make monero experience 😅 uncle lws everywhere fast and easy wallets 23:37:14 Well it’s a dream till we have mymonero supporters 23:37:21 Have you seen lza_menace's lws dashboard? 23:37:55 https://matrix.to/#/!ZdVDBBouJUyQVsewKn:monero.social/$HjVt6HInrVWZjlHfKvWt320ChSNq34Q5KbazQjWZqFk?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat 23:38:17 the lws client needs major improvements for it to be used safely with subaddresses 23:38:24 consider it fair warning :p 23:38:34 aside from some expansions 23:38:48 a while client lib in ts is done and fairly tested 23:39:16 well i say done but a bug remains i'm closing up now 23:39:21 solved 23:40:01 hope you can imagine how i feel knowing this debate is happening and my whole nov was taken out by solving something that just got committed to emscripten lol? 23:40:58 Hey, at least your ssh password windows pc didnt get cracked for 2600xmr before your vacation 23:41:05 Js 23:41:26 never heard of a ssh key being cracked. did someone claim that ? 23:41:35 Nah, he wasnt using keys 23:41:42 Cant crack what isnt there 👍 23:41:44 well aside from certain buggy ssh server impls and lots of data capture 23:41:53 ah 23:42:06 (Ccs wallet was drained for 2675) 23:42:10 right 23:42:50 I can only imagine how terrible luigi must have felt 23:42:52 Jk 23:43:34 btw i no longer am 'homeless' as i have a certain close friend who's taking care of some basics for me but circumstances have certainly conspired constantly to make me unable to settle down 23:43:36 luigi? 23:43:39 yea 23:43:49 probably all blood drained. pit if stomach dropped 23:44:04 Then he ate a steak and was a-ok 23:44:14 Then forgot to tell us 23:44:29 thats not the kind of stress you recover from 23:44:36 with one steak 23:44:38 > btw i no longer am 'homeless' as i have a certain close friend who's taking care of some basics for me but circumstances have certainly conspired constantly to make me unable to settle down 23:44:39 🙏 23:44:44 maybe 100m steaks 23:45:00 > thats not the kind of stress you recover from 23:45:00 Thats IF you give a damn 23:45:15 are you asking for my opinion on it? :p 23:45:16 I think he recovered before bedtime 23:45:23 as i said i met luigi in person 23:45:36 he came w the noethers to our mrl workshop sessions 23:46:02 he also wrote a lot of js and was like a master of the protocol 23:46:06 to me 23:46:09 Yeah. These doxxed anons and their maid attacks 23:46:38 is he doxxed? 23:46:42 > he also wrote a lot of js and was like a master of the protocol 23:46:43 Right. 23:46:59 So how did he make so many questionable decisions 23:47:19 > is he doxxed? 23:47:20 Mrl met him 23:47:21 So, yes. 23:47:39 well i've made mistakes soemtimes. group theory != practical computer security 23:48:00 but i dont know anything about the theft or setup 23:48:07 Opsec isn’t not everyone’s cup of tea 23:48:25 mrl met him, i see 23:48:32 i consider them fairly safe 23:48:36 especially sarang 23:48:43 Sarang isnt sarang anymore 23:48:54 huh? 23:49:03 I was asked not to call him that. 23:49:09 oh for real?? 23:49:12 by who / when 23:49:14 how 23:49:55 polar i hope you dont mean i am suppressing the tech 23:50:09 i have depleted all my savings for this 23:50:16 Hm. Not sure if i should say in public. Ill try to dm you in a bit 23:50:17 i keep it secret for that reason 23:50:26 i have no strategic capital advantage lol 23:51:29 It’s just not you, when was lws built and what progress was made over the years and why was it overlooked 23:51:49 it wasnt overlooked 23:52:07 fp and i pioneered the lws standard and he funded vtnerd partly to build monero-lws 23:52:22 To keep mymonero running ? After mobile wallets were stable enough? 23:52:31 hug? 23:52:32 huh? 23:52:36 ** 23:52:50 i built the first nonscam monero ios wallet 23:53:01 it was stable immediately 23:53:02 i am confuse 23:53:27