00:58:41 <123bob123:matrix.org> Redirects to hardware⊙go 01:04:03 Is there an easy way to buy monero? Preferably without uploading or registration. Tried binance but they wont accept my drivers licence 01:05:32 <123bob123:matrix.org> https://localmonero.co/?language=en 04:09:59 what is the most private way to buy monero, not esey. the "best" ik there is no "best" with cyber but i would like a good way. not from getmonero.org i have been reading that so i just want to check with a human 05:09:26 Dan isnt a human 05:09:44 but that's neither here nor there 05:10:20 The most private way to buy monero? 05:10:44 The same as the most private way to buy anything 05:10:46 Pick your poison 05:11:28 Want to meet in a dark alley? Mail cash? Deposit money into my bank account? Or do any of the above with a registered business? 05:12:26 If you dont want "easy", theres also bisq 05:13:41 With bisq, you get to sit at a computer and have to go through btc first 07:12:39 vik (Cake) Apologies for bugging you. I think it would be a good idea to include the github release link in Cake Wallet's Reddit posts (https://reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/18asxru/) 07:12:47 vik (Cake) Apologies for bugging you. I think it would be a good idea to include the github release link in Cake Wallet's Reddit posts (https://reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/18asxru/ would have a link to https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/releases/tag/v4.11.0) 07:37:23 who replenished the CCS fund? 07:38:26 We may never know 07:46:45 I've sent an update regarding the MoneroPHP library: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402#note_22988 07:47:29 I've sent an update regarding the MoneroPHP library: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge\_requests/402#note\_22988 07:47:29 Summary: almost done 07:52:37 <123bob123:matrix.org> cyborg 11:06:46 m-relay: it's a legit site. I have ordered merch from there. 30% of profits are donated to ccs. The person running it is a monero enthusiast and a really nice person. 13:14:42 RINO released support for Monero multisig wallet API https://www.rino.io/blog/automate-payments-using-rinos-sdk 19:37:41 what is ccs? 19:38:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> https://ccs.getmonero.org/ 19:38:55 <123bob123:matrix.org> Like css but better 19:40:38 RangerEmdin: you dont know that we got robbed? 19:41:30 ????? 19:42:24 Someone took the CCS pot to bet it on bitcorn and then returned it with interest 19:42:42 smart 19:42:48 move 19:43:12 Yep, at least he returned it. 19:43:12 But it need to not append again 19:44:01 we don't want to 2x our money? 19:44:44 Could be a good idea but it's not what append lol, we won't get that profit 19:47:43 we need some degen moves, the bull is upon us 20:08:04 <123bob123:matrix.org> Loan* 20:37:32 https://youtube.com/shorts/m8Qc608i6wY 20:37:40 Btc folks be like ^ 20:41:11 https://youtube.com/shorts/kiwy_nV-hxE 20:41:11 @monerochad be like 20:52:03 Imajin if the state (NATO and UN) to vote for a crackdown, like scan the whole net and seize all stuff that answer on the port 1808* 20:52:03 Please fix it. 20:53:09 Know that a lot of ISP block the port 80 and 25. 20:53:09 To block it it's as easy as adding 1808* on the list 20:53:23 <123bob123:matrix.org> Neva! 20:55:55 Port numbers can be changed in the command line. 20:56:12 use tor. better, use i2p/ 20:56:20 Yeah. 20:56:20 Who do it? 20:56:27 Yeah, I have to upgrade mine eventually 20:56:42 making it use tor is quite easy 20:57:06 I think I had it set already, for tor. 20:57:06 But I want to check that i2p stuff 20:57:16 <123bob123:matrix.org> You can ban tor entry nodes btw. I has list 20:57:30 i2p stuff.. Last I heard xmr wasn't playing "as nice it should be." Has this changed recently ofrnxmr ? 20:57:49 Just that spoofing it on 443 would require packets inspection.... to block it. 20:57:49 <123bob123:matrix.org> Emerging threat rules track them 20:57:59 so default to 443 would make it way more resilient 20:58:42 not really. Actually troubleshooting mysu beta i2p rofht now.. 20:58:55 <123bob123:matrix.org> Wasnt someone doing tls here? 20:59:01 Works on pokkst's device, but not mine or lions 20:59:08 lol 20:59:27 Stable works, but takes me 20mins to begin the sync 20:59:53 If monero is as secure as it is, just move it to port 443, force the admin to deep packet inspection to the whole internet 20:59:53 Instead of allowing to set easy blacklist they already have 21:01:40 https://matrix.to/#/!LmpzSzbSMKFmPbCpHe:monero.social/$wXrW-xDqqhFKT8xAKMnw_2dV9o5UtY94OGVvbifTXOA?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=agoradesk.com 21:01:45 Rav 21:02:03 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ntopng picks up btc port 21:04:12 "Look at me. I am the btc now" 21:07:14 Would also work. 21:07:14 But them they can BTC and Monero in a simple firewall rule edit 21:07:25 Would also work. 21:07:26 But them they can ban BTC and Monero in a simple firewall rule edit 21:07:31 huh? lol 21:10:13 Deep packets inspection require a lot more resources. Than just blocking ports. 21:10:13 Blocking node ports seam like an easy way to get rid of a big part of the network. 21:10:14 Then the few that use non-default ports, you can ddos them or something 21:11:53 Been there done that 21:12:04 Have you heard of torrents? 21:12:29 Still alive and kicking, and no one could block them entirely 21:12:47 Randomized listening port, DHT to find peers 21:12:53 all solutions are already available 21:12:56 i2p 21:12:57 Yeah. 21:12:57 And they got that DHT/Kamelia thing too right, we have something similar? 21:13:13 DHT strength is in numbers 21:13:36 It makes sense to use torrent's DHT for finding Monero peers 21:13:38 if it comes to that 21:14:04 could work yeah 21:14:30 Go force every user to use i2p 21:14:36 tell me how that go! 21:14:44 i2p torrenting is flourishing 21:15:35 I don't even use torrent. So slow and inefficient, but that's another discussion. 21:21:51 But having monero work with DHT, that could work. 21:21:51 We need to make monero more reliable 21:21:51 Anonymity is not required assuming monero already do a good job, so for the optimal performance and reliable, i2p or tor should not be required. 21:22:17 But having monero work with DHT, that could work. 21:22:18 We need to make monero more reliable 21:22:18 Anonymity is not required assuming monero already do a good job, so for the optimal performance and reliablility, i2p or tor should not be required. 21:23:09 And think about it, there is more 443 traffic on the internet that anything 21:23:09 Can we make monero use TLS even if we don't need it? Make it so it also look like TLS 21:23:49 "anonymity is not required" -- what do you mean by that? 21:25:10 We should not require a second anonimity network for monero to operate. If you are using it it's a bonus for you, but all user of monero should be able to take advance of better resiliance, on the clear internet. 21:26:40 Some wallet use tor by default, but not all, for now 21:27:03 Clear net only and more windows nodes? 21:27:39 Non, just allow the clear net to be more secure by default 21:27:46 more resiliant by default 21:28:14 so you can't cutoff node not using tor by just adding one line in "ISP" firewall 21:30:19 Deep packet inspection need a lot more resources (at every ISPs). Right now, they really can block clearnet nodes just by adding one rule in tha firewall they already use for other ports. 21:30:34 I like dans idea: use btc's port 🤣 21:30:48 Project: decoy 21:30:54 Yeah, me too. 21:30:54 But then whatif they block BTC port :/ 21:31:54 A problem with ssl us self signed certs / MITM 21:32:09 But if we use 443 and use dummy TLS negotiation just to TLSize the traffic, then we look exactly like normal web shiat 21:32:51 so even deep packet inspection won't find it, except maybe if they spend way more and use so AI shit to detect patterns and all. 21:33:15 countries like iran (i was told) block all incoming ports 21:33:48 You have to call and get permission / a license / a special plan, if you want incoming anything 21:34:00 Node in ran can connect to other nodes, outside. 21:34:00 As long as they are not blocked by scammy IP firewall 21:34:00 Thats where hidden services shine 21:34:01 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ufw block ofrn 21:34:02 Node in Iran can connect to other nodes, outside. 21:34:02 As long as they are not blocked by scammy IP firewall 21:34:13 and why kovri was supposed to be thing 21:34:20 Yeah, hidden services are great 21:34:38 sad times... 21:34:51 we are in the bad ending 21:34:53 Right, but all of iran can only connect to foreign ips, or state approved nodes 21:35:11 foreign node* ips 21:35:22 <123bob123:matrix.org> I can run a fibre link across the board? 21:35:43 An adversary can get the clearnet IP addresses of all Monero nodes with open ports by crawling like monero.fail does. Then connections to those IP addresses could be blocked. Changing default port won't stop that AFAIK. 21:35:57 i imagine moneto.fail "empty" countries, have giant firewalls 21:36:58 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/VoXQZVapIRseNPXDnvJlTqiw 21:37:21 Is monero.fail required for monero to work? 21:37:34 No. 21:37:54 <123bob123:matrix.org> I assume you need to submit yeah? 21:37:55 Then we don't need to release easy to brab intel 21:37:55 Then we don't need to release easy to grab intel 21:38:18 `monerod` asks nodes to give it a list of other nodes it is connected to so it can connect with more nodes. 21:38:35 <123bob123:matrix.org> I assume it could only get public node ips? 21:38:49 what are the chances a kovri redux happening? Or shipping monerod with embedded i2pd? 21:39:16 <123bob123:matrix.org> Soon™️ 21:39:19 Yeah, but then you have to run monero and connect to many node to get "all" the IPs right, constantly? 21:39:19 It's more work than just curl&grep&add to blacklist 21:39:20 And all ISP will have to do it 21:39:22 AFAIK, `monerod` gets IP addresses for nodes that mark themselves as "public" and not "public. 21:39:38 RavFX: Yes 21:42:37 Well, now a LOT of isp already block 80 and 25. So they just have to click 3 times ou type 1-2 lines a the proper console. They are already doing it. 21:42:37 Even some VPS provider block 25 by default and you ask to ask them to unlock you're 25. 21:42:37 Everything is already preconfigured, just add extra number in the list. 21:42:50 Well, now a LOT of isp already block 80 and 25. So they just have to click 3 times ou type 1-2 lines in the proper console. They are already doing it. 21:42:50 Even some VPS provider block 25 by default and you ask to ask them to unlock you're 25. 21:42:51 Everything is already preconfigured, just add extra number in the list. 21:43:39 Well, now a LOT of isp already block 80 and 25. So they just have to click 3 times ou type 1-2 lines in the proper console. They are already doing it. 21:43:39 Even some VPS provider block 25 by default and you have to ask them to unlock you're 25. 21:43:39 Everything is already preconfigured, just add extra number in the list. 21:44:15 If a server also runs a https website would your proposed default port cause a conflict? 21:44:31 https://github.com/endorxmr/monero-node-p2p-scanner 21:45:16 Cao, T., Yu, J., Decouchant, J., Luo, X., & Verissimo, P. (2020), "Exploring the Monero peer-to-peer network." https://moneroresearch.info/index.php?action=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=99 21:46:59 https://github.com/lalanza808/monero.fail 21:47:15 ^ Some Monero node peer scanning resources ^ 21:47:43 you won't be able to run a webserver on the same port 21:47:43 Extra static IP is required afaik, often they are checp, depending of where is the server 21:47:55 you won't be able to run a webserver on the same port 21:47:55 Extra static IP is required afaik, often they are cheap, depending of where is the server 21:48:32 <0xfffc:matrix.org> Very cool website. Didn’t know about it. Thanks 21:48:35 Except if we patch monero to detect legitimate http traffic, and proxy it to the web server, would require a lot more work 21:48:57 Or webserver detecting monero and proxying it to monero 21:50:09 RavFX: Open PR to "Add SSL support to P2P" by vtnerd : https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8996 21:50:46 0xFFFC: Thanks. plowsof and I run it. 21:51:13 Thanks, did not see that one 22:42:12 No point in making an entire i2p router like kovri, nor embedding i2p inside monerod. 22:42:12 Monerod already has the option of using i2p as proxy (though not very plug-and-play). The next level is to allow monerod to interact directly with existing i2p routers via SAM 23:24:03 Monero doesnt do blockchain sync over tor/i2p 23:24:05 onion/i2p* 23:24:24 It supports tor syncing, but outgoing connections only 23:24:46 i agree with no need for kovri