01:34:13 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/IFhZaBlFzQxmoyRvUcKromVI 01:34:14 hey guys/gals, I just noticed getmonero.org SSL cert expired 01:35:21 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/vIeEiWEYsJtGgGFIoxOBJNBN 01:35:28 Hep, I confirm 01:35:41 >Not After 01:35:42 Mon, 18 Dec 2023 23:59:59 GMT 01:36:58 Imajin using cron to auto update certificates 01:37:21 👍️ 01:44:29 if ya use letsencrypt. this cert looks like its from sectigo.com 01:55:07 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> What system should i get to generate 1000~2000 CZK per month in XMR (i live in energy class A building and have solar panels and could add more) 01:56:18 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> This wouldn't happen if it was an onion service when will they learn! 01:57:57 * m-relay <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is designing a new home-server and wants to set it up in a way where it would constantly mine monero on the spare power 02:04:14 to get 1000 czk/mo you would need a hash rate of ~60000h/s 02:04:53 that's like 4 ryzen 5900X CPUs 02:05:26 maybe 600w from the wall 02:07:08 http://monerotoruzizulg5ttgat2emf4d6fbmiea25detrmmy7erypseyteyd.onion/ 02:07:42 they do. 😉 02:08:43 i needed the binary, i got it via the onion 02:11:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> No one payed the bill 02:11:33 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> monero devs going broke?\ 02:12:09 well, i made an issue on github. perhaps someone will look into that. you can't download anything or reach the site. 02:14:42 i just hope it doesn't break anything. i don't see how it would, but you never know. 02:15:10 Pings already sent 02:15:16 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So basically if i get two epyc 9654 (~200 000 CZK each) and a motherboard with RAM (around 300 000 CZK) then i will make 3140 CZK per month assuming that i can give it constantly around 800W 02:15:17 -dev and pms 02:17:28 On monero-site? 02:17:47 Monero Website you can send a ping there 02:17:59 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Or AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X which has hashrate of 65116.88 H/s which sells for around 100K CZK so in 100 months it would make the money back 02:18:15 what abt the poor whales 02:18:21 yeah. 02:23:05 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ping webmaster -t 02:32:25 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hm? 02:42:13 The MAGIC Grants board is hosting a live Q&A in the Monero Telegram group this Thursday at 1p ET to discuss the MAGIC Monero Fund and the upcoming election. We hope to see you there! 02:43:27 <123bob123:matrix.org> Can magic pay for the cert? 02:49:51 was that telescam or telespam 02:50:08 <123bob123:matrix.org> First one 02:50:42 I have no questions 02:50:49 you do good work 02:50:54 keep it up 02:58:29 probably, if it comes to it 03:09:59 isn't the cert one of the few things that core is supposed to do? 03:11:43 infrastructure 03:16:14 seems that 3 of 6 core members are MIA 03:23:31 <123bob123:matrix.org> At lunch back in 10mins 04:25:06 imajin just configuring lets encrypt and CRON... 04:25:06 Even my site that I abandoned but that are still online get there certs auto-updated... 04:35:25 whats going on guys 04:35:45 I'm about to try to buy some Monero. I tried once before and failed... any advice on the best easiest place to exchange for monero? 04:39:10 That depends on your country of origin, kraken has XMR listed. 04:39:10 Checkout https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/#Markets 04:40:04 i didnt think exchanges had monero. Im US 04:51:36 Kraken 04:53:18 Or if you feel adventures w/ no KYC bisq .network 04:54:39 thank you good sir 05:04:58 Getmonero.org SSL cert has expired 05:08:01 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2214 05:15:39 <123bob123:matrix.org> a representative will get back to you shortly. Please hold the line. 05:16:17 <123bob123:matrix.org> You are position number 1000000000000000 in the queue 10:20:15 We are Monero. Certificates are for weak. 10:36:33 <123bob123:matrix.org> Overrated 10:36:47 <123bob123:matrix.org> No tls required 10:36:53 <123bob123:matrix.org> 🚀 14:03:44 Has anyone tried POSTing or spamming gpt chat bots to kick them offline? 14:10:36 #monero-offtopic bigslim 14:11:57 Indeed, but all browser want it now 14:12:16 The SSL certificate for the website getmonero.org has been expired. 14:12:50 Expired almost 24 hours ago I see. 14:19:10 If you guys plan to let it expire, at least don't enable HSTS.... please 14:19:10 HSTS make it sure no one can connect the side (no ignore the error button) 14:27:53 well at least the Tor mirror should still be online 14:28:12 <9_11_01> yo can moneros supply ever go past 18.4 million 14:29:05 it already did 14:29:59 <9_11_01> no its and 18.37 14:30:22 <9_11_01> does its supply go infinitely up? 14:32:59 it has a perpetual tail emission. the supply is not infinite. 14:37:35 It will pass 18.4 million next year 14:37:59 Currently it's 18373076.8 XMR 15:32:26 <9_11_01> if it's not infinite what value will it stop then 15:37:30 It won't stop. But it's not infinite. 15:37:54 selsta: "well at least the Tor mirror should still be online" Yeah, no shit! I prefer the Tor mirror over the clearnet one, but most people will probably visit the clearnet mirror. 15:38:18 TLDR Monero emission will be less than Bitcoin emission until 2040 15:39:39 And I'm just notifying the fact the SSL certificate has expired as an active member of the community. 15:43:45 <9_11_01> so moneros fees are based on tx size right? could i self send to consolidate? 15:46:08 binaryFate luigi1111w yall aware of broken cert? i see messages about it but no pings 15:50:09 Pingered in #monero-site earlier 15:50:19 Just waiting now 15:54:10 <9_11_01> bruh answer my question 15:56:24 yes 15:59:27 lol 16:00:47 yes aware 16:01:59 Not sure of this is still live data but has some info on tx fees https://www.monero.how/monero-transaction-fees 16:05:38 I like that $144.51 btc tx fee 16:07:55 Just paid a over $100 in fees and it's been over 3 blocks so far. Eta.. Another 3. Btc pretty form of money moving atm. 16:08:13 Just paid a over $100 in fees and it's been over 3 blocks so far. Eta.. Another 3. Btc pretty crap form of money moving atm. 16:08:42 BTC is broken as far as "money" go 16:09:00 <9_11_01> should i move to monero rn? 16:09:58 Yep 16:10:16 Monero is better in all way except price. But I don't provide trade advise, you do you. 16:11:08 But given enough time, monero will win. BTC will just become more and more unusable with time 16:12:01 <9_11_01> bitcoin is currently fucking me in the ass 16:12:28 <9_11_01> also why is monero worse in price 16:12:46 That's normal bitcoin thing yeah. If I need to pay in BTC, I just pay using monero thru fixedfloat to BTC LN. 16:13:28 Monero is worst in price thanks to heavy suppression. Exchange suppress it, BTC Maxis suppress it. 16:15:44 But eventually they won't be able to suppress it anymore and it should go to M87. 16:15:44 after one or two BTC halving or something like that, when the minimum fee for BTC going to be over 10$, and average over 50$ 16:17:47 Rucknium + community volunteers helped reduce time to 1st monero tx confirmation by 60 seconds not so long ago 16:18:27 BTC LN only work properly with custodial wallets. 16:18:27 While you can use it okish with Electrum, you need to maintain 3-4 well connected channels if you want the payment to work most of the time... 16:19:08 <9_11_01> and i can consolidate or try to receive to the same address to lower the tx size on monero just like btc? correct 16:19:11 And when the fee will be at 50$ average, you probably won't want to open 3-4 channels to use the network (or rebalance your existing channels) 16:20:24 Monero fee is so nano that you don't have to consolidate to lower the fee. 16:20:24 Plus Monero fee will go down as usage go up 16:20:35 Monero has been designed to be used as money 16:21:31 <9_11_01> okay why do i hear about monero tx sizes alot? will it increase if i receive to different sub addresses 16:22:31 You hear about monero TX size a lot probably because there bigger than BTC tx size. 16:22:31 But fee is way lower. sending to subaddress make virtually no difference 16:23:32 it go bigger if you spend more than one input (say you pay something more expensive that all your individual output so it have to spend 2) 16:23:32 Related to blockchain size probably 16:23:41 but the fee still be under half a cent 16:24:13 * picture of monero blockchain size vs tripple-A install size on disk over time * 16:24:37 plowsof: Yeah, it's one of the main Maxi argument again Monero 16:25:06 Trippl-A games* 16:25:40 Collection of 4K movies/series grow faster than Monero blockchain anyway 16:28:01 <9_11_01> "it go bigger if you spend more than one input (say you pay something more expensive that all your individual output so it have to spend 2)" 16:28:02 <9_11_01> how can the size even increase? how can it be decreased? are you saying over circulated coins have higher fees? 16:33:06 <9_11_01> how can you have multiple inputs or outputs if using a new address makes no difference 16:35:29 > Monero is better in all way except price. But I don't provide trade advise, you do you. 16:35:29 Its better in price too 16:35:49 Id rather 170 for 1/18.5m 16:35:49 than 16:35:50 40000 for 1/19.5m 16:35:57 Especially when the former is better 16:37:34 "Want an $10 paper plates? or $2 china?" 16:37:42 Non, i'm saying that if you don't have a big enough output for a spend, you will use 2 output (or more), that will increase the TX size. so the nano fee will increase by extra pico amount. At the end the fee is still nano 16:38:20 and the biggest the block, the lower the fee 16:38:37 so utilization increase will push the fees down 16:40:09 Monero tx sizes for normal users (atm) doesnt matter much 16:40:33 Its miners and merchants who have to act in special ways to save on porential costs 16:41:31 Merchand will save more on monero by just using it without management (for the fee) than right now with visa and mastercard 16:41:40 10000000% 16:41:51 And thats hard facts 16:42:00 They can just increate the price of all product by half a cent if they really want lol 16:42:07 Merchant can even recoup 100+% of costs by mining their own tx 16:42:42 Keeping prices flat is an INSTANT 2+% return vs visa 16:42:56 Yeah, I know. 16:42:56 Visa such a scam really 16:43:04 Cash also has banking fees, and you litersally have to deliver the cash (fuel / delivery) 16:43:14 here many of the few place that accept plastic add a 2% tax on the total lol 16:43:29 I see a lot of stores that wont accept visa 16:43:37 "No credit" 16:43:48 But the ones who do, have priced in visas fees 16:43:51 here most stores are cash only 16:44:01 except the big ones plus some 16:44:23 Its not simply about savings though. For a large metchant to swap, they need.. POS DEVICES 16:44:44 They need to be handed a working and reliable, no downtime solution 16:44:58 Yeah, they need proper POS devices for sure. 16:44:58 Or managing it themself with can be pain if they are not already savvy in that space 16:45:08 RavFX: The transaction fees along make BTC unusable IMO. 16:45:16 s/along/alone 16:45:29 remiliascarlet: Yep, BTC is simply not usable as money anymore 16:45:31 thats intentional @ remilia 16:45:36 Thanks to the great hijack 16:46:02 Btc even lies about mining 16:46:13 In xmr, we do privacy 16:46:30 pool mining is not a totally private matter 16:46:47 Miner hashrates, pay addresses etc, are all known by the pools 16:47:11 Btc pools hide this info, making maxis think btc mining is somehow not exhibitionism 16:47:26 m-relay: "In xmr, we do privacy" Considering most of you use Windows, Mac, iOS, or Android, your privacy has been compromised even while on Monero to be honest. 16:47:34 Are there any good pos systems for monero ? 16:47:38 They not only give up all the same info as xmr miners (and dont know it), but they KYC 16:48:15 Not that i know of. I think we should get an existinf large company to rebrand hardware for us 16:48:56 > m-relay: "In xmr, we do privacy" Considering most of you use Windows, Mac, iOS, or Android, your privacy has been compromised even while on Monero to be honest. 16:48:56 Who?? 16:48:56 most of _us_ use linux 16:49:07 Then that's great. 16:49:15 Even in monero-support its probably like 2% Windows users 16:49:21 Windows doesnt even like monero 16:49:37 Will delete your node to protect you 16:49:41 I remember seeing so many Monero YouTubers who record their screen from Windows or macOS, so I think that's cringe. 16:50:01 Hey were not all that guy 16:50:09 i cant afford a mac! 16:50:22 Or windows! 16:50:42 :D lolol 16:50:52 I don't even know how to use Windows, I've been a Linux user for life. 16:51:01 It’s good to familiarize yourself with privacy tools knowing they won’t protect you before you go to actually implement them in your day to day 16:51:03 Naaa 16:51:03 It just delete the miner :p 16:51:05 But yeah, im not talking about tin foil 16:51:11 Peopke can use whatever they want 16:51:15 Coping bc I run my wallet on mac 16:51:47 "Coping bc I run my wallet on mac" *client side scanning intensifies* 16:51:55 Monerod has mining code in it, so some delete it (no? Im guessing atm) 16:52:41 Nop, I never got monerod deleted 16:52:41 Or it's a fluke 16:52:41 But I got the TOR part of featherwallet deleted lol 16:53:11 in any case, go in AV setting and exclude whenever you put your monero stuff from it 16:53:16 > m-relay: "In xmr, we do privacy" Considering most of you use Windows, Mac, iOS, or Android, your privacy has been compromised even while on Monero to be honest. 16:53:16 By privacy, i didnt mean extremism 16:53:29 monero is money 16:53:32 Neither did I. 16:53:49 Reason why windows delete is resonable. A big amount of malware use monero mining on infected computer 16:54:21 How would we do that ? 16:54:47 Gotta decide which one is good 16:54:51 And not totally cucked 16:55:24 Blackberry released a tablet called the Playbook 16:55:43 A few months later, Amazon released the Kindle Fire 16:56:37 That's easily busted argument. 16:56:37 Linux is the easiest OS to backdoor 16:57:03 Linux is fun when ppl dont have boot or root passwords :D 16:57:17 Reminds me of windows' sys admin acct 16:57:24 i'm would not be surprised that half of this year CVE where paid for backdoor, dismissed as bug because no one can prove if the intension was a backdoor or if it was just a DEV oops 16:58:57 Disclaimer: i dont use linux. I'm hardwired into the net 16:59:18 1 - look as a widely used dependeicies. Take GLIBC 16:59:18 2 - parse publicly available list of dev from github 16:59:18 3 - inspect code quality of each dev 16:59:19 4 - check bank account of each dev (3 letters scammers can do that easy) 16:59:19 5 - pay big money to a broke dev that make good code, for a little "extra bug" 16:59:20 6 - ??? 16:59:20 7 - profit 17:00:16 To get a backdoor into windows or macos, you have to go thru the hiearchy (because you don't know what dev work on what part of the code) 17:00:16 You have to pay more money and a lot more people will be aware of the backdoor 17:02:52 1 - contact crosoft head for backdoor implant 17:02:52 2 - head redirect request to the supervisor for that X windows module 17:02:52 3 - supervisor redirect request to one of the DEV 17:02:53 4 - in case of crosoft, there is usually 2 auditor per windows section, so you probably have to pay them too so they stfu 17:02:53 5 - then you have to tell the books about what's that extra 25M of unaccounted money.. 17:02:54 real pain 17:03:23 trvthnvke 17:43:39 <9_11_01> can i still use other coins if i get xmr on trezor 17:51:44 The flaw with ravs reasoning, is that you need to pay extra fir a dev to implement a backdoor in windows 17:52:05 they sign ndas and know what they are doing 17:52:52 They do it in the regular course if business, and its not hush money, its simply not relayed to lower level workers 17:53:08 Blackberrt had backdoors forever, as a feature 17:53:32 BBM "encrypted messaging" had a key that was shared with governments 17:54:29 Corporate structure doesnt make it more expensive to backdoor. Apple does it for free 17:54:38 Because they are _told_ to 17:56:28 if were talking about getting "china" to add a backdoor to "american" windows, yes, china needs to jump through rings if fire to get some people to do the job quietly 17:58:18 Whereas a covery google employee can be bribed to slip holes into pr to linux, and a lot of it go unnoticed due to social engineering 18:04:44 What is the best XMR wallet for ios 18:05:02 also to follow up the best application to purchase XMR, Kraken? 18:05:22