00:59:34 Does someone want to trade paypal (euros) for Monero? 01:00:20 I'll pay interest 01:01:12 @bridgerton. How much do you need? 01:03:04 €12 02:13:24 What is the credit limit on this anon, no kyc, creditcard? 02:20:27 I lost my bitcoin in a totally private way, so I'll be fine 😆 02:20:37 meant to say debit card 02:25:35 You forgot the "Trust me bruh" 02:29:16 <123bob123:matrix.org> With my life 02:45:03 sup 03:34:00 the sky 06:18:18 bro are you monero miner (xmr) 07:43:40 A Monero card is a great idea. How is the signature for the input unlock element of the transaction generated? 07:47:50 The sending wallet address remains the same but isn't the digital signature unique each time? 08:40:59 Why the fuck should I ask for XMR if I already have? 08:41:14 Why the fuck should I ask for XMR if I would already have? 08:56:30 chunk0x this isn't a monero<->fiat trading platform with a trusted escrow so can you go and find one please, thanks 08:59:51 ok alright are you solo miner 09:00:08 I aint a miner 09:02:27 I'm a solo miner 😬 09:02:27 ``` 09:02:27 2023-12-21 07:58:58.130 I Found block <49760b15a792cd47c34348d0028a0a737383bff82781a0176e1856f215eb9184> at height 1505297 for difficulty: 213484 09:02:28 2023-12-21 08:00:47.531 I Found block <665fe9e32f523b1b3fe3f961a3385aff12063141a3d4d37fffb4c402e0286ad8> at height 1505299 for difficulty: 213612 09:02:28 2023-12-21 08:04:47.232 I Found block at height 1505300 for difficulty: 213176 09:02:29 2023-12-21 08:08:55.327 I Found block <14ea6193ddd25bce568b5a5021f77f4ef34c587e99b44640c02d6644f8918dca> at height 1505303 for difficulty: 213882 09:02:29 2023-12-21 08:17:32.677 I Found block <619f639c16bb8ec68a1693f2f51c2a8cb1573286e54dfef3ccedde6fbb958a71> at height 1505307 for difficulty: 214199 09:02:30 2023-12-21 08:27:47.926 I Found block at height 1505315 for difficulty: 213074 09:02:30 2023-12-21 08:35:21.534 I Found block <5563c6e70b9c0e105a9cbb62f7454e4e559f03871550afdc68e86c804e67fdb5> at height 1505318 for difficulty: 214011 09:02:31 2023-12-21 08:36:59.411 I Found block <637333d7221407c34f102be4a8375805da2309442d1f8c2ce21473b273cff556> at height 1505319 for difficulty: 214437 09:02:31 2023-12-21 08:38:36.609 I Found block <3c160002a46b682006b5a1166e6816d9c588f1786fc608e626f49844433b061b> at height 1505320 for difficulty: 214324 09:02:32 2023-12-21 08:40:45.840 I Found block <4f92f1bdd5f6a9d63d8e77a8649c7c0767a10b21af0773ac09d5babf0a788997> at height 1505321 for difficulty: 214237 09:02:32 2023-12-21 08:47:47.158 I Found block <1658fee88bfc9ea43f204398fb5f2b1e2b4a111a941d2c700257b374393316d0> at height 1505322 for difficulty: 214381 09:02:33 2023-12-21 08:53:04.021 I Found block <9b295e6e0b2ee4abc19103433866715ffb743ceedb81f362b215ddeda291e32e> at height 1505323 for difficulty: 216000 09:02:33 2023-12-21 09:00:17.585 I Found block <844a3b92c5a34a39761f5b86ee49ecd12c358833bd5c15157cc27ce16fd3244e> at height 1505325 for difficulty: 214887 09:02:34 ``` 09:04:18 please type properly ! 09:09:36 Tough luck. Bridges suck. 09:30:42 FUCK CAPITALISM 09:31:11 abolish money 09:33:38 especially monero 09:34:44 If you want abolish your Monero, you can send it to me 09:37:49 nope no one will accumulate wealth on my watch 09:38:09 how does the boot taste 10:50:04 Can I have a taste? 11:05:58 what 11:06:08 just stop licking the capitalist boot 11:19:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> Only selsta’s one 11:28:33 capitalism is feudalism except the serfs had more rights 11:47:54 dang TrasherDK .. what hardware? 11:50:01 Here's the wallet side of my mining operation 😎 11:50:01 ``` 11:50:02 2023-12-21 10:30:09.157 W Received money: 2.055929138362, with tx: <12d5bd1f9c5831b5ddcd121653f3cda764b09c82f959550c6313ddb6e75ce983> 11:50:02 2023-12-21 10:33:09.455 W Received money: 2.056379614263, with tx: 11:50:03 2023-12-21 10:36:09.829 W Received money: 2.055913452912, with tx: <7278e3e55638241d46409f481dd9e7081830bca6edcea917b1fd7fc952ee46bf> 11:50:03 2023-12-21 10:46:51.007 W Received money: 2.055905610232, with tx: 11:50:04 2023-12-21 10:52:51.854 W Received money: 2.055886003663, with tx: <9898fbe525e25e55db96011dbcfa71ad7d6425057d96b85b527623af76645872> 11:50:04 2023-12-21 10:54:32.097 W Received money: 2.055882082372, with tx: <005907078ec8c0cf79cb0a14912802fcfa3c6776f45704555e95d4d563a93ef8> 11:50:05 2023-12-21 10:56:32.306 W Received money: 2.055878161088, with tx: <764285235ca495d70d2226d73648a322e78705dac6dca10b285ad6f2410b62b2> 11:50:05 2023-12-21 10:57:52.441 W Received money: 2.055874239812, with tx: 11:50:06 2023-12-21 10:59:12.631 W Received money: 2.055971417281, with tx: 11:50:06 2023-12-21 11:04:33.190 W Received money: 2.056092736027, with tx: <13dde7a1f5a9c1ea96fd816925faade142216ad1f98422dcbceafe193b009de9> 11:50:07 2023-12-21 11:06:53.464 W Received money: 2.055858554781, with tx: <3e1877d099111a47ef57eb0f3e389e9d5e7b7d5e7cd4bc2fdb5c01c2eb40ce0e> 11:50:07 2023-12-21 11:11:54.136 W Received money: 2.055835027459, with tx: 11:50:08 2023-12-21 11:21:34.951 W Received money: 2.055819342727, with tx: <088fea0825feea185bd7fe3bd6030f49c0bc0371eaad47497b6cc57ed377d637> 11:50:08 2023-12-21 11:32:15.937 W Received money: 2.055799736981, with tx: <44b55c92ffb845bc5c7dc5bc3fdd072f3bbc638e7433741609e8f8641fdf843e> 11:50:09 2023-12-21 11:37:16.492 W Received money: 2.055795815854, with tx: 11:50:09 ``` 11:50:56 wait.. is that monero? 11:50:58 The hardware: 11:50:58 ``` 11:50:59 Linux ghost 5.15.117 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 22 15:39:49 CDT 2023 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 v5 @ 3.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux 11:50:59 ``` 11:52:26 It's a `Dell PowerEdge R230` 😅 11:52:32 stagenet.. :) 11:53:23 ``` 11:53:23 Height: 1505405/1505405 (100.0%) on stagenet, mining at 495 H/s, net hash 1.83 kH/s, v16, 12(out)+12(in) connections, uptime 15d 22h 47m 57s 11:53:23 ``` 11:53:58 Someone got to mine those empty blocks. 11:54:02 Same joke spammed twice 11:57:02 And it's still around 25% of the hashrate. 12:05:15 as monero becomes more used wealth inequality will exponentially increase 12:15:28 im not sure about that. It's been a long while since our civilization has used money that can't be controlled by authorities 12:19:32 can you give an example of that working? 12:20:22 define working. And secondly, there's nothing comparable to cryptocurrency in history. 12:21:10 working = being successful and not just a techbro gimmick 12:22:42 and secondly how would it not lead to massive wealth inequality 12:22:57 so an example of authority-less money that wasn't a techbro gimmick from our history? or an example of monero working now? 12:23:11 the former 12:23:37 well for one, if you are a wage earner, your employer would somehow have to justify decreasing your pay every year to counter the natural deflationary nature of monero 12:24:03 secondly, the money you earn retains its purchasing power because it doesn't get inflated away by "smart people keepin the 'comony goin" 12:26:06 i don't think there are any examples in our history of authority-less money that wasn't a techbro gimmick 12:27:27 i mean unless you consider gold a techbro gimmick. but even that had an authority somewhat, with those that would verify the gold and handle it etc 12:29:30 first of all deflation isn't necessarily good and has its problems 12:29:38 oh for sure 12:30:54 ( but of course monero actually has inflation so ..... ) 12:32:10 .... iTs pErFeCt! 12:32:41 bit of an oversimplification, its not like they print for fun there is some valid reasoning for it 13:26:11 <9_11_01> yo isnt monero more attackable than btc 13:28:51 In what way? 13:33:17 <9_11_01> idk commonly 51% attack 13:38:05 no, it's less attackable, and an attacker cannot accomplish as much as a BTC 51% attacker 13:42:45 <9_11_01> then why do people complain that monero is less secure 13:43:19 > > <@gingeropolous:monero.social> secondly, the money you earn retains its purchasing power because it doesn't get inflated away by "smart people keepin the 'comony goin" 13:43:20 > bit of an oversimplification, its not like they print for fun there is some valid reasoning for it 13:43:20 Weeeeeeee 13:43:36 Brrrrrrrrrrrrr 13:44:18 Ask them. My guess is they will probably say something about a security budget, which will be an excellent opportunity to discuss the disappearing BTC block subsidy. 13:45:27 > <9_11_01> then why do people complain that monero is less secure 13:45:27 Let me ask _you_ this: 13:45:28 do you mine btc 13:48:03 <9_11_01> i thought about it 13:49:34 yes its an oversimplification, but I'd argue those "valid reasons" are mostly rooted in failures of governance. Long story short, I'd argue that managing your civilization by directly manipulating the value storage instrument is indicative of failed governance. 13:50:13 > <9_11_01> i thought about it 13:50:13 Why didnt you? 13:56:51 I had to buy an asic thing 14:06:20 gotta love those asic things 14:12:32 Monero's PoW is much more secure than most other PoW coins. ASIC resistance is a huge necessity to keep a higher decentralization capability. The fact Monero used CPUs is also another huge plus as ANY computer can mine Monero, not just those rich enough to afford GPUs. 14:13:36 Monero's PoW is much more secure than most other PoW coins. ASIC resistance is a huge necessity to keep a higher decentralization capability. The fact Monero used CPUs is also another huge plus as ANY computer can mine Monero, not just those rich enough to afford GPUs. 14:13:36 The addition of P2Pool was a gamechanger too, as before p2pool, the pools were the centralization risk. Now we have none on the mining side of things. 14:17:47 the potential to solve pool centralization is there. people still need to switch to p2pool before we're totally safe there 15:34:46 It require more work 15:35:03 but I do use p2pool because it's worth it 15:42:03 Solo > p2pool > centralized p2pools 15:42:03 or moneroocean if you want to make xmr more attractive/profitable to mine 15:45:44 If youre the immediate gratification type, go in opposite direction 15:46:00 Moneroocean > centralized p2pool > p2pool > solo 15:47:00 small pool > medium pool > LARGE pool 15:47:51 no pool except p2pool, p2pool layers or moneroocean type pools 💯 15:48:55 Large pool = never. Lol. Gotta be crazy 15:48:55 medium pool = lol. 15:48:55 small pool = just solo, u naive sucker. 15:49:09 I don't care for dust payouts or making unnecessary consolidating txs 15:49:39 Centralized p2pool or moneroocean 15:49:39 sucker says hello :) 15:49:57 Moneroocean = 2-4x profits and pumps xmr price by dumping zephyr 15:50:22 and then people dump the xmr 15:50:22 Centralized p2pool = p2pool without the dust 15:50:48 they have to dump less to pay the billz 15:51:25 And it constantly transfers the MC of other coins into monero 15:51:39 Moneroocean is like a vampire 15:51:54 Drinks the blood of noobs who yolo into shitcoins 15:52:26 There are a few centralized p2pools. 15:52:26 monerod.org i think 15:52:26 Aterx minexmr2 15:53:36 Yeah, monerod.org 15:53:36 speaking of which, one if their miners seems to have completed soloptxmr 15:55:08 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/NJsUUskqEMemhzUQypUGYCgv 15:56:15 It's relatively easy to make manage your solar for mining. 15:56:15 I also have such a system, just no nice UI. 15:56:45 This is home assistant 15:56:55 Integration 15:57:16 isn't today Thursday? 15:57:24 SCC have serial ports 15:57:24 and my coulombmeter also have serial port. 15:57:25 Easy to have data about battery SoC and current sunpower input 15:57:25 Sorry if this has been asked before: On my mode, "monerod status" shows zero incoming connections and only the number of outgoing IPv4 connections, yet there are also a lot of Tor outgoing AND incoming connections according to "monerod print_cn". 15:57:26 Any reason why the Tor connections aren't included in the count? Are they somehow "less beneficial"? Or simply a bug? 15:57:27 Idk 15:57:45 Yes 15:57:57 Tor connections arent counted because they are tx relay only 15:58:15 Status only shows peers thats youre syncing blocks to and from 15:59:28 Sync_info shows total 15:59:37 I see. Would be great to include full Tor support in monerod though 16:00:15 You can do blockchain sync over exit nodes (0 incoming connections though) 16:00:31 `--proxy=127.0.0.1:9050 ` 16:01:11 but that is not something everybody should do. Im just saying its "possible" to sync behind tor if need be 16:02:06 But yeah, onion / i2p blockchain sync just something we havent thought deeply enough about 16:02:18 I know, but it would be better to stay within Tor network and not need to use Exit nodes 16:02:47 There can be a lot of issues if not implemented properly 16:03:40 You can fix the syncing issues if you manually fill your peers file with onion addresses of other nodes. 16:04:00 You cant sync from onion peers 16:04:19 And you havent had to add peers since the last hard fork 16:04:39 Onion peers are for tx-relay only 16:04:52 OK, makes sense. 16:05:09 I would like to run the node fully within Tor and not have clearnet peers. Ibrun a bitcoin node the same way 16:06:13 What bitcoin node do you run? 16:06:35 Pruned? Archival? Listeneing? (I dont even know the terms) 16:09:51 Asking because, monero nodes are all effectively "full nodes" 16:10:11 They dont rely on another tier of nodes in order to operate 16:10:32 Its not a big issue to have non-archival nodes be sybilled 16:11:11 And i imagine the 10k "full" nodes on bitcoin are mostly available on clearnet in addition to i2p and tor. 16:14:01 I also see onion/i2p as being a potential benefit for monero p2p, as it allows incoming blocks from people who are stuck behind a nat 16:15:54 Its not a big issue to have non-archival nodes be sybilled (on btc) 16:17:48 as it allows Incoming connections for blockchain sync* 16:18:16 I run a bitcoin full node (not pruned) - behind NAT. Using Tor saves me the hassle of port forwarding etc. and my ISP doesn't know that I run a node 16:18:49 Clearnet fully disabled? 16:18:57 Yes 16:19:02 So the only nodes that can reach you, are other onion nodes? 16:19:13 Yes afain 16:19:17 ^ thats the problem 16:19:57 Not really. There are enough of them 16:20:07 Its not the most difficult thing in the world to sybil the node and cut it off from the real network 16:20:29 "enough" = enough that also have clearnet **enabled** 16:20:48 So they can bridge onion traffic to clearnet and i2p 16:22:08 I guess some of them run that way. But you're right, there is a sybil potential that is probably bigger than on clearnet 16:22:11 When you submit a tx or block, it geta relayed to peers. It has to eventually make it to _all_ peers 16:22:40 I think some logic rules can enable this in monero 16:22:57 Just needs to be done _right_, otherwise we'll probably get attacked 16:27:45 Right like.. perhaps 16:27:45 - nodes without clearnet can only receive blocks and relay tx. 16:27:45 - clearnet w/o incoming, can receive blocks from onion or clear, but can only broadcast blocks from clear to onion or clear to clear. can relay tx in any direction. 16:27:46 - nodes with clearnet incoming+out can relay blocks from clear to onion and vice versa + relay tx any direction. 16:28:37 s|onion|onion/i2p 16:29:07 s|onion/i2p|anon network 16:30:35 <9_11_01> is kapsa better than xmr apart from privacy? 16:30:42