00:59:40 erm...based brave search?????????????? 00:59:53 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kyun.host/UaUTzJKlOWjvnZSMNsHakXGc 00:59:57 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kyun.host/eMexZBdBFtEUxVTHhlRbVNlB 08:12:21 Hi 08:13:33 I am interested in mining. I use linux. Any pointers on how to go about it? Is it possible to mine using FOSS drivers? I remember years ago that I needed proprietary drivers that are suboptimal for gaming 08:16:12 GPU's are very inefficient for mining Monero zyxer - today you would want to use a CPU instead, no proprietary drivers needed. 08:16:16 https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig 08:18:07 Oh, yea I forgot monero prefers CPU. Thanks 08:20:13 the xmrig binaries have min 1% donation to the author, you have to compile yourself to disable donating 08:21:02 I have no issues donating. But thanks for the info. 08:21:18 xmrig is preferable to the monero-gui? 08:24:24 not sure if there is a performance difference 08:24:25 My CPU is low end but my GPU is mid to high end. Even if GPU is ineffiecent it might give same performance as CPU, and since I live in very cold climate the ineffiecencies aren't too much of a problem since ineffiecent just means more energy goes to heat. 08:25:16 Heating up home using mining. Almost 100% power effiecency :D 08:25:36 lol 08:28:25 I haven't had time to check out the monero-gui properly yet. I assume the monero-gui uses same backend for mining as XMRig? 08:34:22 don't think so 08:34:39 I see 08:44:04 Can I somehow send commands through cli to gui? I can access my PC using ssh jump server but I have no graphics tunneled and hardware limitations 08:47:41 Got a hunch on how long, on average (I understand it is average and if unlucky it can take years before finding one block), before I find a block solomining 1MH over 113 seconds? 08:49:35 probably easier to just run xmrig I'd wager 08:49:56 You mean to make a profit? 08:50:15 I'm not sure what you mean is easier on XMRig 08:50:19 I mean, if you have ssh and limitations on hw and no x11 tunneling and stuff... 08:50:32 there is also #monero-pools for mining questions :) 08:51:06 Limitations make x11 impossible. The ssh is a jump server. Then connect using serial cable 08:51:08 Which can give info like this: < monerobux> At 1000000 h/s with network diff of 2.57e+11 your expected time for find a block is 2.57e+05 s or 2.98 days. 08:51:29 Oh, ok. Thanks! 08:51:39 I'll ask in monero-pool 08:52:06 1 MH is like ... 67 AMD 3900x CPU's 08:52:56 Yea but I gave MH, not MH/s. Because for some reason XMRig bench site gave how many seconds before 1 MH 08:53:30 Or I just didn't see the normal H/s 09:27:33 https://pastes.io/jkvio6bvia 09:27:45 Sus 11:15:39 anybody have desktop wallet recommendations for eth, ltc, and usdt? 11:18:54 stack wallet might do it 11:19:52 does it have desktop options? i dont see any from their site 11:20:06 afaik it has cc detherminal 11:20:38 just checked 11:20:39 doesnt have 11:20:52 it has 11:20:55 i use it as my main wallet 11:21:02 you should download it from github releases 11:21:15 thanks for letting us know 11:21:58 <123bob123:matrix.org> https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet/releases 11:21:59 i see. ill try to use it on whonix and see what happens 11:22:07 thanks to u as well 11:22:32 whonix rocks 11:22:53 they deserve more adoption and use 12:21:12 Datahoarder 😅 https://pastes.io/jkvio6bvia 12:22:05 Lel 12:22:12 just point at the message, found it 12:22:22 do not want libera to flag it again 12:23:43 Stack is the most versatile non-custodial multi-coin wallet in the xmr space right? I didn't use before just tested it out a bit. I find the trocador implementation very cool that it also shows the ratings and all) 12:23:54 love they also changed their nick pattern, ofrnxmr 12:24:01 they 👀 12:24:47 Right? Lolz 12:26:45 Cake and monerujo are the only "full featured" mobile xmr wallets. 12:26:45 stack has more coins than cake though 13:05:15 What do cake and monerujo have that stack doesn't? 13:09:36 Subaccount support 13:26:18 Subaccount? 13:26:24 Subadress you mean? 13:27:51 I don't understand this, stack works great 13:28:08 Nono, subaccount 13:29:44 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/UtRPQbZLOnGFgChremyNucPa 13:29:56 Stack only supports the #0 tree 13:31:25 Hmm, it has coin control for other coins but not monero i guess. 13:31:39 If you need this feature, then stack might not be the best for you. 13:31:40 https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:828/format:webp/1*gfE6Z0qTBJruE7sOufKHgA.gif 13:32:04 Stack will support subaccounts eventually 13:32:30 Its an essential feature. Without it, balance recovery is broken 13:33:03 (for seeds that contain funds on subaccounts) 14:19:52 Is it possible to "unsend" a transaction? I was so stupid as to sweep my account to the wrong address lol. Transaction still hasn't confirmed, there are 3 blocks to go. 14:20:46 its already in mempool? 14:21:14 No idea, whats that lol? 14:21:40 do you have a transaction hash and does it show up on xmrchain.net? 14:22:19 https://xmrchain.net/tx/f8ab467d914af25b4d761469e3edaa3c97100d61079df3d6d2e90987cc5c2fde 14:22:54 the 10 confirmations number is just for privacy reasons, that thing is done for 14:24:37 Oh well, not the end of the world. I have the keys for that address aswell. But out of curiousity how meany transactions before its set in stone. And if it was REALLY importent that I undid the transaction how would I have done it? 14:24:57 im not sure if you could have recovered it even when it was just in the mempool, we dont have RBF and consensus is that zeroconf is fine for smaller amounts so id assume its pretty hard to do. can anyone with deeper understanding chime in please? 14:25:11 >I have the keys for that address aswell 14:25:12 thats very fortunate 14:25:28 the transaction is technically set in stone from the first confirmation onwards 14:25:56 you might get a lucky reorg and have it kicked out but those are not that common 14:25:56 So I'd have to be incredibly quick? 14:26:10 well 14:26:25 im not entirely sure if you could even get it out of the mempool 14:26:44 I thought that if you tried to do a double spent, both transactions would just cancel? 14:27:11 i believe the first one would still go through 14:27:54 I should probably be useing address_book then, thease 2 addresses I mixed up look pretty similar and are 2 I frequently sent to and are my own. 14:28:36 If you try to doublespend, the second one will throw an error "already spent" 14:29:00 not if the wallet is unaware 14:29:00 You cannot unsend a tx 14:29:27 How many conf before set in stone > depends on network conditions 14:30:20 But typically if the tx is transmit to the whoke network (and is in the pool off tx waiting for their first confirmation), it will confirm 14:30:42 There are conditions where a 0 conf tx is not "set in stone" 14:30:47 the transactions would be timestamped, right? i only know of the theoretical scenario where you send a transaction to someone and then instantly submit a second transaction to a better-connected node 14:30:59 Tldr: as you as you send the tx, theres no going back.. unless the network gets attacked or reorgs 14:31:18 I guess lesson learned then. Be sure to get addresses right or you'll spend more in fees (which are super low anyways). Could have been worse though, I could have been this guy https://old.reddittorjg6rue252oqsxryoxengawnmo46qy4kyii5wtqnwfj4ooad.onion/r/monerosupport/comments/jb2wib/is_there_really_no_way_to_cancel_pending/ 14:31:43 Apart from a reorg, are there other scenarios? 14:32:05 Tx pool too big and your tx gets dropped by nodes 14:32:58 @monerobull:monero.social yeah you could probably try spending the same inputs again then sending that "block" (not sure if I'm useing the right term) to a lot of good nodes and hope it gets propegated first? No idea if that would work but its more suficticated then what I could pull off. 14:33:01 Hmm.. Didn't know this was a thing. What's the upper limit gor the tx pool and how much tx'es does that correspond to? 14:33:19 so all of the scenarios are major edge-cases that we dont expect to happen on accident 14:33:22 i think default is 600mb but configurable (?) 14:34:03 ~200k or more "regular" tx 14:34:20 lol 14:34:42 yeah youre not getting randomly kicked out in the foreseeable future 14:35:04 Ofrnxmr needs ccs to attack netowkr :D 14:35:27 #irs625K*15alts 14:35:38 Lil 14:35:38 l 14:35:43 maddie, its very good that you learned this at the cost of a single monero transaction (basically free) and not by loosing your entire stack ,:) 14:35:43 Lol* 14:37:23 is this a p2pool block? https://xmrchain.net/tx/7c719212047fbf3acd6b78e607594fc08f0aabece833e0f95c7bd1eac33b57c9 14:37:31 @monero:matrix.org funny you say that, I just checked how much it costs me in extra fees and it totals less then 0.01 so I really got off with this mistake very cheaply. This is mostly, very funny to me actually :') (crying of laugher). 14:37:36 is this a p2pool payout? https://xmrchain.net/tx/7c719212047fbf3acd6b78e607594fc08f0aabece833e0f95c7bd1eac33b57c9 14:38:05 i once sent someone tether on the wrong network 14:38:22 fixing that was like 30$ 😭 14:38:41 How did that work out? If its the wrong network, wouldn't it just fail because you only have funds on the correct network? 14:39:24 Like if I sent someone monero on the stage net, I don't lose funds on the main net, right? 14:39:53 nah they said they want it on binance chain and i sent it to eth from a multi-asset wallet 14:40:03 bsc and eth addresses are the same on both networks 14:40:47 i dont think you could even send stagenet monero to a mainnet address 14:43:31 Thats too ethereum specific for me to understand lol. I'm too stuborn on haveing a cli/tui client that I never got into eth. But did the guy have a "bsc" address only and couldn't get it because you sent it as a eth address? Couldn't the guy just create a eth address with the same key as the "bsc" one and have the eth as eth instead of "bsc"? again this might be too etheriumy for me to 14:43:33 understand. 14:46:14 yes, it's a p2pool block 14:47:20 well if you have the key to the bsc address you have the key to the eth address 14:47:41 these are two different networks but you can have the same address on both networks 14:48:00 these addresses look identical 14:50:44 what's an irc bridge 14:50:51 thanks sech1 14:51:01 it allows us to chat 14:51:16 you on your grandpa-ass protocol and me on matrix 14:51:26 That sound like ETH 14:51:33 @monerobull:matrix.org didn't the guy just the eth back then you sent him "bsc" instead? Are transaction fees that high on ethereum or am I missing something? 14:51:53 yeah they were high 14:52:23 always use stablescam on TRX lol 14:53:04 i sent a token to their eth address (like 5-10$ loss), they didnt have ETH to transfer the token anywhere so i had to send them eth as well (~3-7$) and also to compensate for them having to do the token transfer on eth (5-10$ again) 14:53:13 eboy https://xkcd.com/1782/ 14:53:35 Okx finally delists monero today. 14:53:36 yesterday was hilarious, way more buys than sells, and thr price dropped. Idiots gave us a fud firesale 14:53:36 What is hv-bridge though? I don't know it. 14:54:12 we also have bridgerton here on matrix 14:54:19 its bridging to the monero discord 14:54:27 Oh. 14:54:47 the very best bridge in our entire ecosystem 14:54:49 maybe in all of crypto! 14:55:08 You like discord that much? 14:55:23 no but i set up the bot 14:56:09 Oh. 14:56:35 This is getting offtopical but what matrix client are you useing btw? 14:57:05 hi 14:57:18 element web like a normie 14:57:21 Maddie: Element or Schildichat, the less shitty option 14:57:53 yk the default xmrig client 14:58:01 I will never understand matrix. To each their own I guess, and I'll leave at that. 14:58:07 it at that* 14:58:11 let's say 1,000 machines mining for 4-12h a day 14:58:16 how much monero would that make 14:58:17 ? 14:58:31 depends on the machines? 14:58:39 eboy: depends on hash rate... 14:58:56 Well let's say 14:58:57 that would make like ~4-12k hr total 14:58:59 an average pc 14:59:12 if you took 1000 people 14:59:15 randomly 14:59:28 if its shitty "your grandmas"-pcs youd probably be lucky to make a dollar or 2 14:59:29 some have good pcs some bad 14:59:32 oh wait, 4-12 hours a day, not like 1000 microthing that do 12hr a day 14:59:33 Well, it really depend of the machines 14:59:49 It also depend of how there configured 14:59:57 wdym configured 15:00:32 like you have to have 1gb pages enabled on linux or hugepages on Windows. Plus the memory have to not be fragmented for them to work except if you preallocate them 15:00:40 eboy: average is unknown, my dads pc can barely run winblows whilst mine is mineing 24/7 and running all my things. 15:01:07 My IRC is on a 486, wonder how much hash rate that going to produce :D 15:01:11 alright so 15:01:12 RavFX: :O? Preallocated ram? I'm intriqued. 15:01:13 on average 15:01:16 with 1000 machines 15:01:25 how much daily do you think I could get 15:01:27 $20? 15:01:40 just average computers 15:01:54 Between 42H/s to like ~30H/s if we talk about threadrippers 15:02:03 30KH/s* 15:02:12 eboy: asumeing average is ~600 (because thats the case for my cluster) we'll say ~11 cents. 15:02:18 getting a full gb of ram on the average pc will already be a challange lol 15:02:31 600 hashes per second* 15:02:47 600, that would be quite low end atom or something like that right? 15:03:01 11 cents.. 15:03:02 600 sounds like your average business computer yeah 15:03:06 from 1000 machines.. 15:03:16 at least if you dont want to be detected 15:03:17 all of which have decent processors 15:03:23 RavFX: No idea what average is though, I took an average of my cluster of random laptops. 15:03:26 I'm using xmrig 15:03:29 I have a pile of business computer (1L computer form factor). They do between 3.5 and 4Kh/s 15:03:35 on my 3060 ti with a ryzen 3600x 15:03:41 or ryzen 5600x 15:03:43 it's like 15:03:46 12 cents a day 15:03:59 eboy, if these arent your computers and you arent paying for power, any money you could gain from it would be offset by the felony charges youd face 15:04:08 no they're mine. 15:04:26 do you pay for power? 15:04:28 eboy: find all the cpus on https://xmrig.com/benchmark then add the hashrates together and devide by 1000 then we'll have your average hashrate. 15:04:31 yes 15:05:00 then it 100% depends on what you pay for power 15:05:10 > 11 cents.. 15:05:22 Sorry I forgot to devide by 2, lets say 5 cents. 15:22:17 5 cents 15:22:18 a day? 15:22:20 from 1000 machines 15:24:10 nah per machine i would assume 15:24:27 eboy: no, my math was wrong but it doesn't matter BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT AN AVERAGE MACHINE IS. 15:24:35 and again, depends on the price of power 15:25:00 Yes per machine, I forgot to multiply by 1000 to get a total. 15:25:04 oh if its per machine 15:25:09 then 5 cents is fine 15:25:19 that's really good actually 15:28:40 eboy *sigh* you need the hashrate because its literly imposible to find out how much XMR you'll get per day on average if you don't have the hashrate. I can't even give you an estimate, its IMPOSSIBLE. 5 cents per day per machine is ASUMEING the HASHRATE is 600 where *I* made a calculation mistake, you'll actually get closer to 1.9 cents. Power and XMR's market rate are also super importent 15:28:42 factors if you want to know the profit in USD. 15:29:13 Do you actually have thease 1000 computers or not? Because if you do, run xmrig and get the hashrate. 15:30:55 I also forgot to mention that another importent factor is how you're mineing, I again made an assumption that you would use p2pool, but if you're going to solo mine or use some other public pool, the payout will be different. 15:34:24 Yet another factor I remembered: if you're going to mine on p2pool, are you entered into the raffle? Because someone did a raffle: https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/ where you get extra hashrate for 1H iirc. 15:34:40 If you have 1000 machines, use xmrig-proxy and point it at a p2pool daemon or solomine 16:10:04 How can I make it work on monero-gui flatpak? 16:58:12 zyxer: You might want to ask the people behind flatpak? 17:20:52 Make what work 17:21:03 P2pool? 17:21:59 Its made by us, btw. Its a ccs funded initiative Monero GUI and BigmenPixel: is maintainer of flatpak 17:22:06 hiring! |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 17:22:06 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 17:22:07 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 17:22:07 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| discord.gg/cryptohire @everyone @here 17:22:19 lol 17:22:36 lol 17:22:56 💢 interrupting me 17:28:11