18:18:10 <m-relay> <e​dge7:matrix.org> Anyone willing to spend a minute to remind me what 'trust this demon' (for a remote node) actually does? I think I read it in the past, but cannot recall it. The option is available in the official gui
18:20:01 <m-relay> <d​ooropener:monero.social> Is that related to whitelist vs greylist nodes?
18:38:45 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> It lowers your privacy and security guard against bad information to make the communication more efficient. That's the summary :)
18:39:06 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> For example, the first block your wallet syncs is faster iirc
18:39:50 <m-relay> <e​dge7:matrix.org> I use it with my own node, so am fine. Just curious about some details
20:14:51 <ofrnxmr> Its default for localhost
20:15:50 <ofrnxmr> If you use features like "rescan spent", instead of obfuscating your requests, it does them in a trusted manner 
20:17:27 <ofrnxmr> an example: When opening a wallet with an untrusted daemon, it transfers ~3-10mb of data before actually syncing. with trusted, it syncs right away.
20:19:13 <ofrnxmr> i guess you could say, untrusted (in some cases) adds noise to the connications 
20:19:37 <ofrnxmr> Communications*
21:40:13 <m-relay> <e​dge7:matrix.org> Thanks man. Just to understand even more. What you mean by noise in this case? I appreciate the high level explanation though
22:01:05 <m-relay> <a​non9843:matrix.org> Hello Monero enthusiats (Monerians?). I have an intermediate understanding of Monero and am looking to buy a Trezor wallet. Does anyone have opinions on the Model T vs the Safe 3?
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22:47:20 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Just some alternatives to consider as Trezor, and ledger have been notorious for having security problems at both customer information, and software/hardware levels, however they do patch but their track record on “protecting” customer information is unideal 😑.
22:47:20 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> https://monerosigner.com/
22:47:21 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> https://www.xmrwallet.com/blog/air-gapped-monero-wallets.html
22:47:21 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> https://monero.town/post/223593
22:47:22 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> https://monero.observer/foundation-devices-engineer-proposes-bounties-passport-hardware-wallet-monero/
22:48:09 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> jordan_sanchez: Did you try Anonero? Sounds like a better deal.
22:48:58 <ofrnxmr> Omfg jordan
22:49:29 <ofrnxmr> you didnt intentionally link xmrwallet, did you 💀💀💀
22:49:40 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I’ve been curious about but haven’t dabbled with it yet.
22:49:40 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I primarily use cake, & stack wallet personally.
22:49:41 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I do own a ledger but I don’t use it.
22:49:49 <ofrnxmr> I know its just a blog post, but that entire website can be discarded as a scam
22:49:58 <ofrnxmr> Xmrwallet is a known scam
22:50:23 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> https://anonero.io
22:50:37 <ofrnxmr> "Red flag, stay away, lmao you put moneybthere? Rip" are the only valid responses to folks who come and ask what happened to their money
22:50:51 <ofrnxmr> Anonero is a newer wallet and yes it works and is safe 
22:51:13 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> ofrnxmr 👍️
22:51:22 <ofrnxmr> Not safe like "trust me bro", but safe like "its based on core code, no funny business. Open source, etcetc"
22:51:40 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> noice
22:52:03 <ofrnxmr> It works paird with itself (anon + nero on another device) or paired with feather wallet, to do offline signing
22:53:08 <ofrnxmr> monero.com mysu.i2p anonero.io stackwallet.com 
22:53:30 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Well good thing you guys came in then, lol.
22:53:30 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We need to definitely improve the hardware wallet ecosystem/guides.
22:53:31 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Since it’s a thing that new people tend to gravitate towards.
22:53:31 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We don’t want more poor souls to fall for the Trezor, & Ledger hype.
22:53:32 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Ideal is a secure pc, or phone with strong software on it.
22:54:07 <ofrnxmr> Im banned. Im not allowed to join this convo :D 
22:54:08 <ofrnxmr> Aint that hilarious
22:54:27 <ofrnxmr> Maybe i shoukd let sgp answer 👻
22:54:31 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> waddayamean?
22:54:48 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> banned?
22:54:57 <ofrnxmr> Yes. Sgp banned me from matrix
22:55:00 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> He can’t use element to communicate.
22:55:10 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> why not?
22:55:40 <ofrnxmr> idk, is he still admin in this room?
22:55:43 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I joined recently, created an account anonymously, I could be ofrnxmr for all they know lol
22:56:00 <ofrnxmr> You wouldnt be the first to be accused of being my alt
22:56:02 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Because he’s banned on there when Justin was moderating since he made a programming joke that was misinterpreted as Anti-Semitism.
22:56:20 <ofrnxmr> I didnt make the joke, nor was i banned for it
22:56:29 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> powsof and xmrscott are admins here, matrix says
22:57:03 <ofrnxmr> I was banned from -site and -translations by erc. Dan asked them to unban me and was muted, i was banned from resolutions for calling scott a bitch for muting dan
22:57:06 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Justin...? Trudeau?
22:57:19 <ofrnxmr> Justin is sgp
22:57:21 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Who would ban for such a silly thing?
22:58:19 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It was a pr/optics move presumably.
22:58:21 <ofrnxmr> scott, sgp and erc 
22:58:21 <ofrnxmr> My ban in site and translations was 100% malicious 
22:58:33 <ofrnxmr> Erc also banned me from reviewing his prs on github
22:58:35 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Come over, give it a try. Maybe he's not admin anymore.
22:58:43 <ofrnxmr> Which is totally asinine
22:59:05 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> ah, good ol' crypto drama
22:59:12 <ofrnxmr> Its not like im a jackass who shitposts on reviews.
22:59:12 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> get over it
22:59:22 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I'm not a mod anymore so you can stop pinging me please. I stopped because I was getting pinged and blamed for not doing enough, doing too little, etc, for stuff I didn't have any control over. Enjoy your channel that is the ofrn 24/7 complaint hotline
22:59:37 <ofrnxmr> Are you still in #community? 
23:00:04 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Can we just focus on answering the hardware wallet question for the fella who was asking?
23:00:10 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Maybe? Frankly I don't know. If I am, it's only because the room admins are too lazy to remove me despite me asking. Again, no control over
23:00:13 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> This is the problem with centralized moderation. No easy way to do it.
23:00:13 <ofrnxmr> I wasnt aware. Could have at least unbanned me while you were stepping down
23:00:31 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> anonero.
23:00:32 <ofrnxmr> Only an admin can demote themself
23:00:38 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> You aren't aware of anything yet talk louder than anyone else, as if you're always right
23:00:57 <ofrnxmr> Another admin cant remove you
23:01:11 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I'm not an admin there
23:01:25 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> ofrnxmr, get over it, just create a new account and try again.
23:01:51 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I second elaryan comment.
23:01:52 <ofrnxmr> Im not creating alts, thx. And thanks sgp for informing me
23:02:09 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I mean, I love IRC, but this SchildiChat looks nice
23:02:29 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I mean, I love IRC, but this SchildiChat client looks nice
23:03:04 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Ofrn what's up with the misinformation about MAGIC? You're completely wrong on twitter
23:03:19 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> People can donate XMR like the CCS, what's the problem
23:03:38 <ofrnxmr> Did u see the questionmark and the ping?
23:03:59 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> No I don't read your several pings of me a day
23:04:06 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I only saw twitter
23:04:10 <ofrnxmr> @Magicgrants
23:04:50 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I replied, did you see those?
23:05:00 <ofrnxmr> nope. Havent checked
23:05:03 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I don't know what imaginary form you're envisioning
23:05:10 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> But it's in your imagination
23:05:14 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> It's not real
23:05:39 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> And Core donated to MAGIC all the way back in 2021 for defcon
23:05:56 <ofrnxmr> I never mentioned a form 
23:06:01 <ofrnxmr> Anyway offtopic
23:06:18 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Ok what "reporting"
23:06:23 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Specifically
23:07:04 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> You are talking loudly as a definitive expert on this topic, I want to know. Maybe I'll learn something. All you need to do is explain the reporting charities need to do
23:07:27 <ofrnxmr> If you want to have this convo, mt dms are open or we can talk in this room when im unbanned on element. i cant communicate efficiently on irc 
23:07:47 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Lol like that stopped you from communicating, cmon
23:07:55 <ofrnxmr> It did
23:07:59 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Just admit you were talking without a clue
23:08:01 <ofrnxmr> and is still
23:10:31 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Anyway, sorry for pressing this here. My point to people in the room is only that MAGIC was purposefully set up for advantageous fundraising properties, which compliment (but don't replace!) the CCS. Having only one central source of failure for Monero related fundraising seems unwise
23:11:01 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Checking Magicgrants.org, looks cool.
23:11:21 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Also MoneroFund.org, that's specifically for Monero stuff
23:11:40 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> There too, hehe, I'm gonna apply for a grant.
23:11:41 <ofrnxmr> +1
23:11:44 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> thank you
23:11:54 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> One of the longtime Monero devs has an open campaign there :)
23:12:02 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Please do!