01:04:20 Simplex > session 01:04:23 Drops mic 01:05:15 SimpleX is government domain names, it’s federated like Matrix. < this is false on its face. 01:06:42 Nothing like matrix federation and you can setup with onion-only servers if you so prefer 01:07:53 Session is like zcash. Wasted potential 01:08:42 Have they figured out how to ship a foss version yet? Or still letting google spy on everyone? 01:09:14 i appreciate oxen for their contributions to monero. Session is trash. 02:41:58 You CAN setup onion only with SimpleX sure. And nobody does. And they all use dev servers on the clearweb 02:42:59 It is FOSS. They gave the dependency. You're ragging old news bro, weak propaganda without a defendant at the trial 02:43:59 Furthermore, I question that you’re even reading or comprehending what is being said. I’m not talking about pure privacy. This is about CENSORSHIP. 02:45:27 People criticize Session because they have a coin. Meanwhile SimpleX has no business model and the vast majority of the users are on the dev’s centralized servers. Also SimpleX accepted Microsoft Venture Capital money. For a business with no clear business model, I question the legitimacy of this 02:47:12 No. I criticize session because they ship google binaries while larping on twitter about "get google out of your lives, getsession.org" 02:47:41 Straight up false advertising + shipping spyware intentionally. 02:47:51 BOTH STINK 02:48:01 They have foss’ed the google dependencies. It’s not that they ship a google binary. It’s that they didn’t include all the libraries originally 02:48:05 I'd rather irc+otc and be done with it. 02:48:30 No, its that they shipped it 02:48:59 We forked it, and removed it because session backpeddled and started making excuses 02:49:09 You're saying it's got it now, or you're bitching about long ago? When I'm talking about censorship & trading XMR without government DNS 02:49:19 Are you saying that session finally removed google fcm? 02:49:32 I' 02:49:36 Basicswapdex 02:49:38 I'm saying the version now is FOSS 02:49:51 Yeah and how you gonna find liquidity 02:49:57 Trading xmr has nothing to do with session or simplex 02:50:03 But basicswapdex does 02:50:12 Is the server FOSS too? 02:50:19 You provide liquidity, thats how you find it 🤡 lol 02:50:27 Yes session server is foss too 02:50:28 If you actually read what the fuck I'm saying, I'm talking about using as a distribution and trading platform without government DNS 02:50:36 Hellloooo 02:50:39 Basicswapdex 02:50:57 Why would i want to use a messenger for an exchange? 02:51:03 Yeah basicswapdex is great. no hate. but you can't sell services 02:51:20 You can have people on there advertising liquidity, doing trades 02:51:26 If i want to send monero, i send it 02:51:40 If i want to provide liquidity on a dex, i provide it 02:51:43 You are a bitch slave to government DNS 02:51:47 Since when did uniswap need a messenger 02:51:51 they can ban you at any second 02:51:59 Government dns = tor and i2p, ya? 02:52:00 Good thing you're a compliant bitch clown 02:52:20 Except im not compliant 02:52:21 Right, so if a Tor server is discovered, then its game over 02:52:26 Unlike you, im ofrnxmr 02:52:34 Which tor server? 02:52:42 But with Session DNS, you can re-assign the DNS on the blockchain to a new public key 02:52:48 Do you have an inkling about what youre talking about? 02:52:55 Any tor onion keeps the encryption keys in memory to function 02:53:09 I run mt own i2p routers, as i run my own monero nodes and my own basicswap nodes 02:53:23 If i lose mine, nothing happens to the network. 02:54:01 Session is trash - ok? Nobody is buying lokinet. Go shill in a dash forum 02:54:10 Particl at least has basicswap 02:54:25 Session messenger is a gimmicky mess 02:56:29 giving credit where due. Oxen contributed to monero financially and with code. plenty of respect and credit there. But if it was good, you wouldn't have to bark about it 02:56:32 We'd use it 02:57:03 Now.. go improve the product, or pay me to. Otherwise, stop shilling 02:57:11 Nice, so avoid talking tor now, switch to i2p and don't acknowledge any of the censorship or content from my point 02:57:29 Tor is centralized 02:57:30 Completely dodge the question, go become a politician bro 02:57:42 Is that a secret? Lokinet is centralized too 👍 02:57:49 oh so now you changed your story, just a minute ago, you were telling me tor was the answer 02:57:55 I am a politician. #Ofrnxmr2024 02:58:01 No i didnt 02:58:13 You said "slave to government dns" and i said tor and i2p and gov dns? 02:58:32 SimpleX is 02:58:33 Lookie here bud, #monero-offtopic:monero.social 02:59:06 Simplex is an infant, and supports i2p, tor and clearnet. It only OFFICIALLY supports tor and clearnet in the UI 02:59:22 Bitcoin, monero etc nodes also support tor, i2p and clearnet 02:59:25 Right, so we're open sourcing Monero trading code on Session for community benefit. For free providing servers and setup to MoneroTalk... and you believe this is not relevant to Monero? 02:59:43 Tor, i2p, lokinet, or whatever new thing on the block isnt the answer 03:00:13 Well that's your random opinion based on not evaluating even what I'm saying. 03:00:19 "were open sourcing" you mean to say, it wasnt to begin with? 03:00:28 The same way you try to haze me now, is what Bitcoin maxis do to monero 03:00:38 for free providing servers blah blah. Were not a corp 03:00:45 Who are you advertising to? 03:00:47 Simplified Privacy is NOT Oxen team 03:01:20 And im NOT monero team, im the ceo for rn 03:01:25 Again with the you not reading or understanding anything. Literally just mouthing off. SimplifiedPrivacy.com is a company that created FOSS code for Session 03:01:26 Whats your point 03:01:38 Send the code 03:02:04 Sure, do you accept in person? I'm coming over to spend time 03:02:14 😭 03:02:14 I want to give you hugs and kisses 03:02:31 Party in australia 03:02:38 And again #monero-offtopic 03:03:20 Aren’t you part of that same group of teenagers who hired a bunch of devs and never paid them? Hard to take anything you say seriously… 03:03:29 They have cookies and gold stars if you hurry 03:03:39 What are you referring to? 03:04:01 sorry if I missed the reply but, did they release Session server code? Is it up-to-date FOSS? 03:04:31 ^ im still wondering too. I stopped paying attention months ago 03:04:32 Can I run my own Session service? 03:04:50 You can stake and run a node 03:05:15 You mean pay for freedom? Doesn't sound right. 03:05:28 (different question, my mistake. Im still wondering if the client is foss) 03:05:48 Because, it definitely wasnt when i stopped talking to keejeff 03:07:34 on top of google shit, iirc it was the "signal code" was shipped in binary form, and a version with no source available. Linsui from fdroid replaces with a foss version 03:07:52 Proof of Stake being legit or not is a completely different debate. I'm not saying its the best method for crypto. My point is this software can be used for censorship, due to the re-assigning DNS over onion routing. In ways that help Monero 03:08:09 Can you stake privately 03:08:40 define private staking? 03:08:44 against censorship you mean? 03:08:55 yea 03:08:55 Bitcoin = not private. Monero = private 03:09:06 Can you stake without telling people how much you have staked 03:09:08 Oxen is private yeah 03:09:36 Or do you have to doxx your node as holding x amount of dollars/oxen 03:10:34 Hmm. The node that's staking is telling anyone routing traffic through that that IP had enough to stake, that's how it functions. So technically no, they do know its staked. But that IP doesn't keep custody of it 03:10:50 The nodes are routing traffic 03:11:14 So if I see an IP, could be a VPS, is routing traffic, then I know they staked 03:11:36 But does the network know how much they staked? It must 03:12:08 That's a great question. I'll admit I don't know. There's also sub-addresses like Monero 03:12:37 Particl uses different types of addresses like zcash, where staking has to be done publicly 03:12:39 Also you don't need the currency to use the platform in the way I'm describing, which is like an email list 03:13:33 how does this compare to particl's smsg used to enable bidirectional monero/privacycoin swaps 03:14:19 I believe we have a misunderstanding. Let me start over. I am suggesting this be used like a combo of an email list and a telegram chat trading bot 03:14:35 So it can push content out, like an RSS feed to followers 03:14:55 Or it can trade in whatever form 03:15:09 One could theorectically run trading bots on basicswap, and have it be atomic 03:15:16 Yes! 03:15:26 Telegram is a platform i dont touch 03:15:35 Yes I Agree 03:15:55 I am NOT saying telegram or email are good. Nor am I even saying Session is the most private that exists. 03:16:20 I dont think simplex is ready for prime time wither 03:16:23 I am saying the re-assigning of DNS to a new public key username through onion routing, offers unique censorship resistance, for liquidity providers 03:16:38 But i can at least say, the devs don't dick around when i find issues 03:16:43 Dont make excuses 03:18:13 I defend Monero every day to bitcoin maxis. But I have limited say in what happens there 03:18:25 I disagree that getmonero.org is on Cloudflare 03:18:39 Sorry if i dont have faith in a project that wanted me to install google stuff and refused to allow me otherwise 03:19:02 You think getmonero.org on cloudflare is bad?? Wait til you see ccs.germonero.org 03:19:39 Dont worry, were adding anon network access asap lol. And were redesigning the website right now as well 03:20:05 That's good to hear 03:20:25 But could you at least understand how I would feel when a bitcoin maxi goes "look at those privacy coin kids on cloudflare" 03:20:26 Nobody around here has limited say. Monero is a decentralized project 03:20:32 That is how I feel now 03:20:33 #monero-site:monero.social 03:21:11 At least out mining pools arent kyc'd... 03:21:41 And getmonero.org isnt the "official website of monero". its just "our" website 03:21:56 You're comparing apples to oranges 03:22:22 To say a proof of stake network using IPs is KYC 03:22:23 no, im comparing being doxxed to use the project 03:22:46 It's not doxxed, its providing network traffic for the users 03:23:04 Everything is on Cloudlare, the internet has failed. It was a nice experiment 👍️ But it's over. Very pessimistic about it. 03:23:13 =) 03:23:14 im talking about btc 03:23:17 finally we agree on something 03:23:26 oh ok 03:23:59 hey, mysu.i2p isnt on cloudflare 03:24:13 Neither is trocador.i2p 03:24:44 Mysu/pokkst doesnt even have anything available via clearnet 05:55:33 I stopped using session when it decided that my password (that was saved in a password manager) was no longer the correct password, lol. 06:11:21 I've also given up on trying to get everyone to use the same chat app so I've more or less settled on matrix + bridges for the stubborn normies. 06:11:43 are u vegan 06:12:30 Yes, from the north :p 06:12:40 i feel bad for u 06:13:53 Vegan in north imagine that, how do you even grow your crops there ? Indoors? 06:14:43 I think this is a topic for the offtopic room. 06:23:04 I'll join it when I'm back at my computer and answer any questions you may have, but I can assure you that there's no need to feel bad for me, if you want to feel bad for someone there are billions upon billions of abused animals to feel bad for ;) 06:35:45 I'll be sure to ask my dinner how it feels 😄 06:39:21 did u ask yet 07:02:53 It's still deep frozen, but give it time. 07:50:33 Guys, newbie question: best exchange to buy Monero privately? 07:53:42 Localmonero 08:34:08 I criticize session because they have a scamcoin. Totally unnecessary to get a system like that operating. 08:34:09 Also, masternode stuff for session app is probably mostly run by its devs anyways. I can't imagine them relying on "volunteer" -run servers for worthless crypto tokens. 08:34:09 SimpleX does everything session does, and it doesn't require a coin to operate. 08:34:54 I remember reading oxen's own blog posts, in which the devs themselves have been buying the token and burning it in order to get its value appreciate. 08:35:06 Total shitcoinery. 08:36:00 Don’t forget the premined coins with ico 08:36:01 Loki 08:36:46 Session is on a weak footing simply because it's supposed to rely on a thriving oxen/sent crypto economy. 08:37:08 Get that BS off of it, and it would probably operate better. 08:49:30 What about Briar? 08:59:18 I find it cool. But last I used it caused a battery drain on my phone. 09:09:40 Yeah same. It must be in background all the time 09:42:58 Same 10:23:27 Has anyone tried keet? Thoughts? https://keet.io/ 10:30:02 norvegan i seen it mentioned exactly 1 year ago, 31st jan 2023 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20230131#c197920 10:31:39 plazma_69 and kinghat are the only ones i see mentioning it so far 11:21:42 No, but looks interesting 12:11:14 keet does look interesting, never heard of it before now 12:13:43 btc LN stuff baked in. I will stay away. 12:14:14 Molly + XMR will be great. 12:17:07 usdt too? por que? 12:17:15 shitcoin fest 12:18:57 Is that in the works? 12:19:51 Yeah. It seems like they are planning for a release this year: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/9352-basis-of-trust-for-mollyim-android/58 12:19:59 but valldrac knows best. 12:27:11 Nice 12:30:17 bitshitters have a soft spot for tether. they constantly whiteknight for a private corpo that prints infinite tokens and probably does fractional reserve. the fucking irony is amazing there. 13:39:36 hi 13:39:51 anyone know where monero-wallet-cli store its settings? 13:43:59 what settings? Everything is in wallet files 13:44:37 what is the wallet file? 13:45:03 your wallet 13:45:08 that you open with monero-wallet-cli 13:45:27 it has 2 files 13:45:37 which one stores the settings? what is the difference 13:46:31 not in the .keys file 13:46:44 the other one, without extension, stores wallet cache and everything else 13:46:48 so the key is the private key file and the other file contains the settings? 13:51:23 no idea? 13:51:25 anyone 14:03:46 the other file contains the wallet cache 14:04:21 you can rename the wallet cache, open the wallet and check if it still has your settings saved 14:10:45 selsta: I moved the blockchain from ~/.bitmonero to /var/lib/monero because its the default work dir of monerod in my distro arch. then I got double transactions with zero amount in my wallet 14:11:04 I have deleted all files except the 2 files from lmdb 14:13:15 cli wallet shows 0 XMR transactions if you churned your funds before (sent to yourself) 14:17:12 rsch: did you try to rescan? 14:25:59 selsta: I deleted the cache file and it looks fine now 14:26:26 selsta: after deleting the cache file he rescanned and it looks fine 14:26:32 but background mining is enabled 14:26:37 where is that setting stored? 14:26:52 and how to disable it 14:26:55 in the keys file i think 14:27:18 keys stores key and wallet settings, the other file is the cache 14:28:06 entering `set` should show all settings 14:28:13 then you have to change the background mining one 14:29:18 ah ok now its clear where the settings are stored 14:29:58 I thought monero is asic resistant but there is aintminer x5. any thought about it? 14:36:41 can i mine monero without running a full node? using p2pool? 14:37:40 You are months late to the X5 party. Tldr it's not an asic, just a bunch of RISC cpus in a poorly-engineered package 14:38:07 And running p2pool requires a node - though a pruned node is fine if you want to save on storage 14:53:49 ok great 14:53:55 why using mining pools then 15:21:55 adding --prune-blockchain to monerod makes to download the full chain 15:21:58 how to prevent it 15:25:39 My understanding is you download everything -> verify -> write to disk. The verify step requires everything. Write to disk part is where prune blockchain saves space.. but im not so confident in my answer 15:27:13 I want to mine with p2pool without downloading the entire 150gb 15:29:39 Well you could use a remote node to get block templates/updates from. preferably one closest to you. 15:31:50 is there no way to mine on a pruned blockchain? 15:32:54 can use a pruned node yes. What are your requirements again 15:33:05 I want to run a node without the complete chain 15:33:11 and then start p2pool 15:33:13 and then xmrig 15:33:48 But you dont want to use --prune-blockchain 15:33:58 monerod still download the complete chain even I use the flag --prune-blockchain 15:34:06 why I dont want? 15:34:23 I try to start with monerod --prune-blockchain --zmq-pub tcp://127.0.0.1:18083 --out-peers 32 --in-peers 64 --add-priority-node=p2pmd.xmrvsbeast.com:18080 --add-priority-node=nodes.hashvault.pro:18080 --disable-dns-checkpoints --enable-dns-blocklist 15:34:59 but it still downloads the chain since the beginning. do I use the flag wrong? 15:35:48 You need a fully synced monero node (pruned or full). OR you use a remote node to begin instantly. 15:36:08 thats what I dont understand. how to sync without downloading the full node? 15:36:27 in other terms: how to start p2pool without using a remote node and not downloading the complete chain of 150GB 15:37:06 And also without using --prune-blockchain 15:38:31 plowsof: what u mean 15:38:48 From my POV you:re asking how to touch water without getting wet 15:39:18 Your mining rig should sync a pruned node in several hours 15:39:35 what will be the size? 15:39:45 About 65GB 15:40:13 instead 150GB I will have 65GB in use called pruned blockchain? 15:40:44 even 176 15:40:47 But one of your requirements is to not use --prune-blockchain 15:40:55 why? 15:41:42 why should I not use --prune-blockchain? 15:43:05 You can use it. And it will be about 65GB on disk. Downloading != disk space usage https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240131#c325845 15:45:00 I guess we have missunderstood each other because I thought --prune-blockchain will not download anything from the blockchain 15:45:42 Ah ok. It will behave exactly like syncing a full node but in the end, the database will be 1/3 of the soze 15:46:01 can you make it even less? 15:47:29 It can be 0 if you use a remote node. Or you wait for advancements in Monero. In the future it could be about 2GB with a light node. But now.. no 15:49:08 More info on those light nodes if interested https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/69 15:50:54 2020 👀 and no movement towards this 15:51:21 Soon 15:51:35 s/Soon/Soon(tm) 15:52:05 It features in Ruckniums list 15:52:06 Yah my grandchildren might see it 15:52:41 https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/94 15:54:45 Hopefully everything is done by time seraphis with fcmp is ready 15:54:49 Eta 2030 15:55:43 /s 16:33:42 wen monero-support 👀 16:35:56 Even btc and ltc download the whole chain 16:40:49 selsta: how do i know which ip to ban? 16:41:17 it says the ip in the log message 16:51:22 Hi to everyone. 16:52:04 Can I ask one question? 16:57:01 I have a website. Each user can register and log into their personal account. I want them to be able to top up their account on the site through XMR. Tell me how best to do this? I have seen on other sites that users have their wallet automatically generated. Users replenish it, and then the balance of their personal account is automatically replenished. 16:57:16 selsta: oh i see, thanks. its a bunch of different IPs. do you know if this is some kind of bug or an attack on the network? 16:58:24 this doesn't do anything apart from spamming a log 16:58:40 so if it's an attack it's quite useless 17:00:15 (for reference to those reading and confused, this is in reference to these types of messages:) 17:00:15 > Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3073426 -> 3368634 [Your node is 295208 blocks (1.1 years) behind] 17:18:13 "tell me how best to do this" <--- this very much depends on what software are you providing to the users on your website. Is it a forum, like discourse or flarum? 17:25:46 Сайт сделан на PHP. Это сайт проституток. Для того, что бы девушки рекламироввали свои анкеты, они должны иметь положительный баланс на моем сайте. Я хочу, что бы они пополняли свой баланс через XMR 17:26:03