00:00:14 i think there are people who dont even know about monero's privacy 00:00:29 they just see it as another neo-investment tools 00:00:31 *tool 00:01:00 If you're buying with fiat and you don't want to pay a 5-10% markup, or want to get you coins quickly, you buy on a cex. And these days, that's Binance and Kraken mostly 00:01:16 It's private once you withdraw it 00:01:18 Do they give a grace peroid to take your XMR off their exchange or is it fairly quick? 00:01:19 I got into monero because I want to have an untraceable and untaxable money, and that's how I'm going to use it until I either can't or something better comes along 00:01:32 making profit with your trades. 00:01:32 Binance is like the one with the highest volume... With is nice for you as you won't move the price by yourself just by pressing the button 00:01:50 there's people who are in crypto because they're nerds and they're interested in ring signatures, privacy, and anonymity and general cryptoanarchy 00:01:56 Fair 00:02:05 and then there's people who basically see it as another version of stocks 00:02:13 You have until the may 20 to withdraw 00:02:56 which really means you have 1 week 00:02:59 panic now 00:03:06 i would get whatever you have like right now 00:03:11 goddamn normies messing with my private coin 00:03:30 oh nose, the sky's falling ehrmahgehhrddd 00:03:34 Just do common sense and don't keep money used for active trading in it 00:03:47 not used * 00:03:48 just put it in your wallet, if it's in your wallet no one can take it away unless somebody >50% attacks the blockchain, right? 00:03:58 no 00:04:05 51% can never steal from you 00:04:16 has anyone here gotten monero off binance today into self custody wallet 00:04:20 only prevent you from transacting 00:04:39 Why is a 51% pool so bad? What's the most harm they could do? 00:04:41 your money always belong to your personal wallet when it's not being used for something 00:04:43 can't they make a new block saying "transfer from X acct to Y acct" and then validate it being 51%? 00:04:45 51% attack can be used to undo a transaction that sends you xmr - so it *can* be used to steal from you 00:04:52 no 00:04:55 non 00:04:58 they cant validate that tx witout your private key 00:04:59 They can undo history 00:05:16 51% on monero is less of a problem compared to 51% on bitcoin 00:05:28 Wut, why? 00:05:36 You have answered that and every subsequent question. Thank you 00:05:49 Would 51% p2pool be a problem? No, right? 00:05:57 yes but if i transfer my money to you what validates that I actually did it? isn't it confirmations? 00:06:16 sorry this is probably super-n00bish question, i'm gonna go read some stuff on xmr 00:06:27 The pool as a whole, no. Individual miners would still be mining independently 00:06:34 Did read something about that subject a while ago. Do I have to remember the details? 00:07:05 p2pool seems like the ultimate mining method, so why isn't it more widely used? Is there something I'm missing? 00:07:14 i was gonna say unless 51% but 51% is not a very realistic issue in monero due to anti-ASIC nature of the proof of work algorithm 00:07:31 xygyl: it's not as straightforward to setup i think 00:07:32 You sign a transaction with your private keys first. A 51% attack can remove your tx from history by mining a different block where your tx never shows up, but they can't change the contents of your tx 00:07:44 endor00 thank you i think i got it 00:07:47 yeah it you aint sturdy with it 00:08:01 it's like three commands and waiting 00:08:09 it's less profitable for some (you endup with many output and high fees). Right? 00:08:10 Other than that, you have to have a node plus p2pool plus xmrig 00:08:10 While for mining on a normal pool, you only need xmrig 00:08:27 51% is as much an issue on Monero as it is on Bitcoin or any other POW coin, regardless of the mining hardware used 00:08:36 by the time you're mining anything, much less monero you're already basically deep down in the Nerdostan 00:08:54 and a lot of people are seeking to just go with the most straightforward method 00:09:01 nerdostan shall be my home 00:09:44 People are lazy 00:09:44 use Docker for everything 00:09:45 use exchange wallet as there personal wallet 00:09:45 use normal pool instead of p2pool 00:09:46 .... 00:09:54 what are the advantages of p2pool? 00:09:58 amen 00:10:18 Also the reason we don't have more / better DEX with a lot more volume 00:10:25 https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool?tab=readme-ov-file#pool-mining-vs-solo-mining-vs-p2pool-mining 00:10:32 (realizing there are probably a gazillion pages online explaining exactly why p2poool is better) 00:10:37 It's a decentralized pool, so no pool admin holds your coins until you reach the payout threshold 00:10:54 yeap, no minimal payment and pool fees 00:11:10 this is a place of learning, not RTFM (though you should RTFM) 00:11:16 what p2pool do you guys like the most? 00:11:25 what's your hashrate? 00:11:39 I don't really know, iim still learning with my XMR 00:11:45 * agent314 RTFMs 00:11:54 DO I go in my wallet and look? 00:12:10 It's how many H/s your miner(s) do 00:12:11 hashrate is how fast your computer can solve hashes 00:12:16 there's another freaking blockchain?? 00:12:30 There's two of them, actually 00:12:34 p2pool and p2pool-mini 00:12:40 Sidechains, technically 00:12:44 I use normal with ~10K/h background mining and ~35K/h when the sun is blasting full power 00:12:45 so I use the normal p2pool 00:12:45 I think if you do like 3K/s or less you want to use mini 00:12:47 I have to be mining XMR to join a p2pool? 00:13:01 so that's how the "p2p" is realized 00:13:03 that's the point, so yes 00:13:15 Ok, can I run a VM 00:13:19 on a node? 00:13:33 yeah, you can have a VM with the Node+p2pool 00:13:44 and direct all your hardware mining to that p2pool 00:14:07 OK, what template do you use for the VM which software is best for this? 00:14:17 Iirc the optimal switching point was around ~10-50 kH/s? Or somewhere in that range 00:14:18 * agent314 is gonna try p2pool 00:14:23 I think you're overthinking it 00:14:28 ^ 00:14:46 Use Gupax, makes the whole setup much easier 00:14:59 https://gupax.io/guide/ 00:15:00 yep, though cli isn't too bad 00:15:07 OH ok, what Template OS can that run on? 00:15:21 Template OS? 00:15:35 I'm confused on what you're confused on 00:15:41 * agent314 has to use CLI my miners are headless 00:15:47 Oh, I was thinking of making it into a container 00:15:48 My bad 00:15:49 I think he's referring to cloud templates, used to deploy VMs? 00:15:54 Use whatever Linux you are comfortable 00:15:54 I use Alpine, but you can use pretty much anything including Windows 00:16:03 gentoo ftw 00:16:06 can i use my kitchen windows? 00:16:10 it uses less resources 00:16:12 Proxmox also has LXC containers 00:16:15 But you don't really need that. Also, if you run your own node, you'll need at least ~70 GB of storage 00:16:22 gentoo, arch, artix, whatever lol 00:16:22 Just be sure that the hugepages are available 00:16:25 (But you can use a remote node instead) 00:16:52 Ubuntu is a solid choice if you're not too familiar with Linux stuff 00:17:27 Then again, you're talking about LXC, so I guess you're fine lol 00:17:27 or if you find ubuntu kinda bloated debian is a good choice 00:17:42 Ubuntu and its flavors (kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.), edeavouros, mint, debian... 00:17:56 Im actually a run before I can walk, im still learning linux, but somehow setup Prox and containers 00:18:18 Ah, I see 00:18:29 Go with Ubuntu then, less headaches 00:18:30 if youre gonna experiment with distros i recommend ventoy 00:18:40 I prefer something that is GNU-free (less bloat) but that won't change anything for you except make it harder if you know another linux anyway 00:18:49 +1 rec on ventoy 00:19:01 Oh ok, I'm guessing that will use less resources than WIN 10? 00:19:09 Yes 00:19:24 what if i have a copy of WIN LTSC 00:19:32 you basically burn ventoy onto a flash drive one time 00:19:32 GNU is bloat? 00:19:36 I have VM running on that to 00:19:39 Yes 00:19:45 and then you can just throw ISOs into the flash drive 00:19:50 I thought that was a meme lol 00:20:08 * agent314 has like two Kalis, Fedora, Tails, Kodachi, Debian, and something else on one flash drive 00:20:26 Mangaka is the best distro. 00:20:39 Have a 64GB flash drive full of Linux too 00:20:54 or Moebuntu 00:21:07 i can't believe i used to waste 64 or 128 gig flash drives on just ONE linux distro before 00:21:12 You're welcome: https://moebuntu.web.fc2.com/home_eng.html 00:21:41 Don't listen to this poser, THIS is the distro of kings https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/ 00:22:02 yeah if the kings want to spend 4 days compiling stage 3 :P 00:22:04 something with musl instead of glibc and suckless to replace the coreutils ❤️ 00:22:30 thats the "something else" on the ventoy -- gentoo! 00:22:34 I heard that Ludwig II of Bavaria used Gentoo. 00:22:41 https://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20240204T134829Z/stage3-amd64-desktop-openrc-20240204T134829Z.tar.xz 00:22:41 you were saying? 00:22:57 Kernel compiled by yourself, no modules, everything built in (and only thing your system need) 00:23:20 what kernel is it? 00:23:21 does suckless have coreutils? 00:23:48 currently 6.6.13 00:23:55 * agent314 doesnt quite understand why even nightly builds of like debian or fedora have like 6.1 or 6.5 kernel 00:24:08 Yes, you can replace most if not all of the coreutils with suckless tools 00:24:21 considering the mainline is already 6.8 00:25:00 https://git.suckless.org/sbase/file/README.html 00:25:18 thank you! 00:25:22 speaking about linux kernel, everyone saw Hans Reiser's letter to LKML right? 00:25:44 "I killed my wife but I'm sowwy" 00:25:44 yup, I saw it 00:25:48 Because some distros don't want/need the latest bleeding edge features, and want more testing and stability instead 00:26:10 And can affort to have maintainers backporting security patches 00:26:13 *afford 00:26:26 Mr Brennan wrote to Reiser asking his opinion regarding Reiserfs's obsoleteness in 2025 and Reiser replied 00:26:28 stability > features ANY DAY 00:26:45 Reiser5 ftw 00:27:15 Why? I don't know anything about it so I'm genuinely curious 00:27:22 ok makes sense i guess, i mean the only reason i was playing with kernels is because i was reading Linux Device Drivers 00:28:12 i think reiserfs made more sense back in the naughties 00:28:18 It's was a nice FS, reliable. 00:28:19 it even have subvolumes and things like that 00:28:19 BTRFS is like an inferior replacement 00:28:31 at least that's when i saw more of it 00:28:40 i heard it's fast 00:28:57 what fs do you prefer? 00:29:08 or I suppose, what do you use 00:29:12 it's running like the cops are after it :))) 00:29:46 encrypted ext4 but i nearly installed btrfs a week ago 00:30:17 i didn't because snapshots seemed like they would take a ton of disk space 00:30:24 I use XFS, BTRFS, on Linux. 00:30:24 I used to use Reiser4 and tested 5 but I don't really touch to out of tree stuff anymore. I'm half life so now I kind of want the stuff to just work and not break when I change kernel 00:31:42 Yeah, I use auto snapshot. 00:31:42 But a few people complain about data loss so I don't recommend doing that anymore. But it's great if your update is failing somehow and you can just rollback like nothing append 00:32:45 isnt autosnapshot supposed to prevent data loss? 00:33:31 Yeah, Assuming the fs don't get fscked lol 00:34:17 I never need to learn that lesson again.. Always make backups kids... 00:34:38 Always. 00:34:39 And USB stick are **not** reliable 00:35:14 <123bob123:matrix.org> Yolo 00:35:23 <123bob123:matrix.org> Backups are for the weak :) 00:35:48 Just use LTO tapes 00:36:03 * agent314 uses kopia 00:36:10 oops! your monero wallet and keys are lost! 00:36:32 oh no i store seeds in password manager 00:36:44 the correct response 00:36:54 keepassxc always comes in clutch 00:36:59 I store seed in some exotic ways 00:37:08 and also on paper 00:37:12 <123bob123:matrix.org> Jokes on you i dont have monero 00:37:18 <123bob123:matrix.org> Im here for the lolz 00:37:26 and also i tattooeed it on my 00:37:39 Can I see? 00:37:52 sure here you go: 00:37:54 <123bob123:matrix.org> Willy 00:38:22 see the password shows up when you type it in here 00:38:37 <123bob123:matrix.org> Doesnt appear until its erect 00:38:42 so if you were to type in your password it would show up as to everyone else 00:38:46 wait 00:39:03 no, if i type in the password it shows up as ****** to me 00:39:41 hold on. if you type it will show up as my password to me...? 00:40:03 * agent314 is gonna have to check in with that bash.org quote 00:40:39 you should store your seeds in a deck of cards 00:41:03 you should just memorize them 00:43:01 impossibru 00:43:09 i wonder if you could store data in like SSD's EEPROMs or something 00:43:18 Encrypted EPROM/EEPROM 00:43:36 SSDs are basically mini-computers at this point: they've got a little CPU, their own RAM, etc 00:44:11 just get a old video card and stuff it somewhere it can fit (often it have block full of FF you can replace). Old piece of junk should still work too (if it's old enough to not have checksums 00:44:51 * agent314 was just researching modern SSDs to recover data after main SSD went *plop* completely dead randomly 00:45:30 Good old Eprom, with a window on it, don't let the UV erase it!!!! 00:45:47 deck of cards with UV markings. cant beat it 00:46:01 i was always under impression that it's not that hard to recover data -- you just look at some platters with a loupe, run dd a bunch of times, maybe even run hdparm if you're brave 00:46:48 no. you should basically be prepared that if your disk dies it dies all of it and forever. 00:47:09 why isnt your data in a nas with raid? 00:47:36 that's where it's going to now 00:48:08 but it doesnt have to be, it's better to do some incremental backups on an external hard drive than have nothing 00:49:08 TAPE 00:49:09 NAS won't protect you if someone make an update to glibc that rm all your device if your IP is russian or something 00:49:15 i think i kept procrastinating backups because what am i going to just rsync stuff onto an external drive? i'll just set up NAS and do everything proper 00:49:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> Sync to tx_extra 00:49:42 Except if you only connect to the NAS when you do backup 00:49:57 tx_extra is a good option indeed, it will always be protected and accessible. 00:50:04 i mean i did backup stuff like wallets, lightweight stuff etc 00:50:45 the sad part is my Ghidra databases, IDA Pro databases, some other medium-weightish stuff 00:51:11 i have databases on the NAS with iscsi 00:51:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> restic init —repo tx_extra 00:51:17 daily backups to cloud 00:52:39 now i have two repos setup in kopia: /home for all the home stuff excuding ~/Downloads and rootfs which is basically everything / except for a long .kopiaignore file with like /proc /dev /home etc 00:52:39 it takes a bit of time first time but each time after that it's a minute long deal 00:53:09 yeah i'm making a NAS right now but i can just point kopia to that 00:53:21 im using deja-dup 00:53:34 you can also point it to amazon buckets, and some other cloud storage, etc 00:53:43 but only do /home/snex with excludes 00:53:52 goes to cloud 00:54:00 cloud and nas* 00:54:34 i think ill use one of my laptops with a broken screen 00:54:36 in fact the nas manages cloud drives transparently, and i just copy to a folder 00:54:41 Weekly full backup on tapes then Daily backup on tapes, XFS have the tool for exactly that 00:54:48 daily incremental* 00:54:58 shove some external hard drives in there 00:55:22 and give it its second chance at life as a NAS 00:55:25 too bad mgm resorts didnt do daily backups amirite 00:55:44 well ransomware can target backups too 00:55:49 Do you guys simulate full restauration of you're backup procedure from time to time? 00:55:50 not cold stored ones 00:55:54 idk how deep they were in there 00:56:08 deja-dup does that for you once a month 00:56:15