04:08:23 Latest in my ongoing KYC troubles: 04:08:23 ``` 04:08:24 Update personal information through identity verification (KYC) for better security and to prevent potential risks. 04:08:24 The Company kindly requests all foreign customers to complete the steps listed below. 04:08:25 -Schedule an appointment with the company to verify identity. Please contact the company to prepare documents and schedule a meeting (Face to Face) 04:08:25 -Prepare original documents and certified copies in accordance with the purpose of immigration. 04:08:26 -Meeting with the KYC staff at the time and location as confirmed by the company accompanied by the required documents. 04:08:26 ``` 04:09:57 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/KStUnLXESQJeaeONfSgByMOh 04:12:52 Just become Swiss, El Salvador-ian, New Hampshire-ian, or Wyoming-ian. 04:16:08 <123bob123:matrix.org> Zoom meeting 04:17:02 Nope. Meeting in person at their corp. headquarters. 04:17:15 just ignore kyc. use non-kyc 04:17:47 <123bob123:matrix.org> Kyc…. Not me 04:19:37 Dude... I live out in the real world. 04:20:02 in the real world, people can trade anything they want in secret 04:20:30 Oh really.. How? 04:20:36 by... trading 04:20:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> Use pigeons 04:20:54 <123bob123:matrix.org> I saw it on john wick 04:21:47 alice gives bob some cash. bob gives alice some monero. wow such hard 04:22:11 Dan 🤐 alderman (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate ): 04:22:11 Pigeoner, the best no KYC fiat to crypto trading platform. 04:23:34 This dude got all the answers, it seems. Maybe you put me in contact with Bob? 04:23:55 i see 225 potential bobs in this irc channel 04:26:02 also you are on matrix already, so try #bisq.btc:bitcoin.kyoto for bitcoin which you can then trade for monero without kyc very easily 04:26:21 Okay. Bob #1 to #225: Who's game? 04:26:24 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/LNhVTKZmSSezSfHkEjLYZxHn 04:27:20 Fuck bitcoin. Ain't touching that shit 🤮 04:27:34 whether you like it or not its more liquid 04:27:47 and the btc/xmr market is more liquid too 04:28:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> Bob ct ring signature 04:29:12 a free world needs non-fungible tokens too. bitcoin seems to be happy taking up that space 04:30:06 non-fungible-tokens (NFT's) 04:31:21 Monero really should bring them back tbh. 04:31:22 It was funny to see the drama they caused. 04:33:47 I think there definitely should be a higher fee “side chain” of Monero, so the utility of more extra tx Id could be utilized. 04:35:06 I'm currently the highest bid on https://localmonero.co/sell-monero-using-national-bank-with-thb-in-thailand 04:37:08 why dont you just buy from one of the other people? 04:37:37 The one that want a copy of my passport? 04:38:12 https://localmonero.co/user/strawberries - doesnt say nothin about passport 04:38:54 what are you trying to do, move millions? 04:39:41 I'm trying to buy 3 XMR 😈 04:39:44 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/iATNCcTIKrUpVHNqTZAYiONy 04:40:00 Those are the choices. 04:40:10 ill sell you 3xmr for bitcoin 04:40:31 I don't do bitchcoin. 04:41:11 like, you can literally get this done within the hour using bisq if youd stop being stubborn about having bitcoin for that temporary window 04:41:29 That Orbixtrade thingy was my only FIAT on-ramp. 04:42:46 download and install bisq. get some starting btc to fuel your account from that matrix room. buy bitcoin with fiat on bisq, then buy xmr with that bitcoin 04:42:48 They have maybe one XMR trade a week. 04:43:26 Dude. What part of "I don't touch bitcoin" don't you get? 04:43:41 the part where you keep whining about not being able to get xmr when this will get you xmr 04:43:58 your moral aversion to bitcoin is retarded 04:44:05 do you want to get into xmr or not 04:44:36 why does it matter that bitcoin is used in the onramp 04:45:37 bisq uses bitcoin because it can be provably locked in multisig which means you dont need 3rd party escrowers 04:45:41 I don't need to "get into XMR". I would like to top up a little, while it's cheap, while having some fun doing it. 04:45:42 not for the fun of it 04:46:25 learning how to use bisq is fun. if you do it right you can trade for profit 04:46:49 Hmm, what’s a good digital international medium of trade that can be obtained with fiat? 04:47:36 I don’t know of anyone international gift cards unless they exist, who knows 🤔. 04:48:58 My best thought is Amazon, or Steam cards probably are the closest things but it’s hard to say if they are accessible/work internationally. 04:49:46 gift card trading super sus. too easy to screw people 04:50:33 Yeah, that’s true. 04:50:34 On ramping/off ramping KYC-free is easier said than done. 04:51:05 cs skins are a good way 04:51:39 im tellin ya, bisq 04:52:28 Bisq is a good option 04:53:57 only issue with Bisq is its a btc swap, which is soooo ungodly slow 04:54:12 yeah well haveno seems to be vaporware 04:54:35 havent heard of that one in a hot minute 04:55:49 I remember when they were first building it, def been a while 05:10:07 "I'll help anyone interested on how to earn 100k in just 24hours from the crypto market. But you will have to pay me my commission! when you receive your profit! if interested click on the group link and send me a direct message 05:10:07 by asking me HOW 05:10:08 https://t.me/EDWARDJAMES_0 05:10:50 why not just tell us tho 05:13:30 Cuz they dont have any xmr 15:22:04 Is there somehow I can use MSR without disabling virtualization? 15:42:01 What platform? 15:42:13 What OS? 15:47:34 If you just use VMs, You want to ideally set the MSR from the host operating system. 15:47:34 If you use Windows and you mean that you use the virtualised protection for apps (everything run in a glorified VM), then no, you can't patch the MSR on Windows while that is ON, it won't let you. If it is your case, you can use a bootloader to load windows (like grub), but patch the cpu.c somewhere in the grub source so it patch the MSR from grub directly, before loading the oper 15:47:35 ating system. Then it will be patched. 16:01:25 why binance delisted xmr 16:01:55 coz the feds are on them 16:02:37 because xmr is for criminals. www.banmonero.com 16:03:44 Ooh 16:03:51 I need virtualization on for WSL2 16:04:07 I'm pretty sure I have core isolation off 16:04:18 Fuck 16:04:23 I did not have it off 16:04:31 Ok, yeah, it's not virtualisation, it's "Core Isolation" that prevent you from setting MSR 16:04:31 Also, MSR can't be set from a VM normally (there way around that on linux by patching XEN or KVM to allow it) 16:04:40 Ok, yeah, it's not virtualization, it's "Core Isolation" that prevent you from setting MSR 16:04:41 Also, MSR can't be set from a VM normally (there way around that on linux by patching XEN or KVM to allow it) 16:05:02 oookay time to reboot 16:05:25 Dont understand government , wont the criminals use fiat to do illegal activity. 16:05:25 Then they should ban fiat too 16:06:24 Flat is used many order of magnitude more than crypto for criminal activities... 16:06:25 The admins just don't want normies to evac to crypto so they make it more painful to use for them 16:07:46 convert to xmr would be the painful one from other crypto. 16:07:47 you need a intermediate token/coin 16:08:02 they are making cash illegal 16:08:21 call your lawmakers and tell them to support this 16:09:21 evading tax . why the government need others hard earned money. 16:09:33 snex: Fortunaly I live in a free country so far, Card is not even accepted at 1/3 of the place, everyone just use cash 16:09:49 "free country" - oxymoron 16:10:08 "First world" is where they want more control and are trying to obsolete the cash 16:10:51 When "third world" country try to do that, it blew up in there face (like nigera) 16:11:44 me: jobless 16:11:44 government: . 16:11:45 me: on Fx / crypto 16:11:45 government: pay 80% tax 16:13:03 In a lot of "first world" countries, they just slowly lower the amount of cash people can get and most of them force you to have a bank account to do anything and so you are trained to use plastic everywhere. 16:13:58 So they can get away with getting rid of cash after a few years of slow increase of limitations so normies don't panic 16:14:03 god... it was core isolation 16:14:03 huge pages and msr work now! 16:14:19 they wont get rid of it until theres a false flag 16:15:25 snex: Probably not indeed. But it will be relatively easy for them to do so considering all normies are trained to use there cards for everything 16:15:27 and they dont even have to make the false flag happen themselves. sooner or later itll happen on its own. they just need to let it 16:15:41 government only option to steal money from poor and middle class and help richy rich. 16:16:05 dont feel bad for the poor and middle class. they voted for htis 16:16:23 they voted for all the free gibs and government power 16:16:38 they voted for the "punish the rich so they can pay for it all" 16:17:49 they brainwash there target (people like me) and they conduct research in there favor and ask media / influences / scholars all in there favor. 16:19:05 problem is more that "people voted for it". People only vote for the main admins. Then these admins can do what they want at the end, passing laws people never wanted or voted. And in many place, the choice of admins is very... meh... Like you vote for the less trash but still endup with trash 16:19:24 Actually communist acting as democracy. 16:20:18 sorry but the admins promised all this shit 16:20:23 and people voted for them anyway 16:21:03 any time somebody ran who promised to remove it all (ron paul) they laughed at him 16:21:56 and ultimately none of their dictates mean shit unless a critical mass of people consent 16:22:08 Ah, you mean in the US, yeah. Not like Canada, like the current admin ignore his promesses and made everything worst (also a confirmed WEF slave) 16:22:21 trudeau promised all this shit too 16:22:26 youre just kidding yourself 16:23:20 hes fidel castro's son ffs 16:23:24 howd you fall for that one 16:23:33 Trudeau promised more affordable food, more affordable housing, 8 year ago. Housing price doubled and food increased a LOT since he got elected. His gouvernement is extremely corrupt 16:23:52 he promised to do those things by seizing more power, making more taxes, etc etc 16:23:57 Yeah, I know about the fidel thing lol 16:24:12 and if anyone thinks a politician can lower prices then wtf are they smoking 16:26:42 You can stabilize housing price by turning off the immigration. Canada have just massive immigration problem, they just take all the lower priced stuff. Trudeau promised more housing construction to compensate for the immigration but of course that did not append as planned. 16:27:55 But anyway, I left that Canada scam a long time ago, so I can watch it collapse from a safe distance 16:29:13 any centralized always corrupt so almost all government are corrupt. 16:29:15 imo 16:29:27 government cant make prices better by stopping immigration 16:29:43 Yeah, there all corrupt. 16:29:44 And once they start taxing, they get addicted to it. 16:31:01 anti-immigration people can never explain why their magical beliefs only seem to apply to "country" borders and not states, cities, neighborhoods, etc 16:31:55 Basic offer and demand. Canada got like 1M immigrant in 2022-2023, look at the Canada total population. 16:32:10 so yeah, immigration make is so there is way more demand for housing unit 16:32:14 so price moon 16:33:34 They had barely enough housing units when I left (but still some vacancies...). Once they opened the immigration valve wide open it just scammed all the locals 16:35:03 I don't mind immigration personally. But there should be a limit so immigration don't scam your locals. 16:35:11 immigrants dont just show up with sacks of money to bid on houses. they also earn incomes by producing goods and services 16:35:15 your analysis makes no sense 16:35:52 and you totally sidestepped why exactly these effects dont take place on other scales 16:38:21 immigrants dont just show up with sacks of money, you are right, they snatch all the cheap flat left over. Why do you mean by other scale, housing is just one thing that was already limited. On the other side supermarkets will often waste a ton of food when it expire so more immigrant would not affect that much as there is enough (at the end, less waste) 16:39:09 Uncontrolled immigration is awful. Immigration with background checks is good when you, as a country, don't have the required expertise inside your borders. 16:39:33 bertvvvs: exactly 16:41:53 uh huh. and yet you allow uncontrolled immigration WITHIN a country and never complain about it 16:41:54 weird 16:42:08 why is uncontrolled immigration between california and florida ok 16:42:23 Canadians complain about immigration. Canada admins don't care 16:42:41 what about uncontrolled immigration between orlando and jacksonville? why is that ok? 16:42:49 Like mentionned earlier, you vote for the admins, then the admin can just scam you anyway. 16:42:51 or jacksonville and its suburbs? 16:43:10 why is uncontrolled immigration between maple st and oak st ok? 16:46:32 immigration as people moving from jacksonville to jacksonville, will take a new flat but will leave his older flat vacant to be available for someone else 16:47:35 obviously if there is ton of local immigration random city from US -> jacksonville, it will also cause issue 16:47:48 just like if somebody moves from mexico to US, theres now an open flat in mexico 16:47:49 at lease for the housing demand 16:47:51 so whats the problem 16:48:12 snex, yep, so you would force an american to leave usa to go fill it? 16:48:23 no, that makes no sense 16:48:37 when you look for a flat in jacksonville, you look at the many available choice, you can take that one or that one... 16:48:40 just like you dont force people to replace californians who leave 16:49:02 why does it matter that there are now fewer people in california and more in florida? it doesnt 16:49:02 if the flat is only available in mexico, how that would help you in jacksonville? 16:49:28 why do i deserve help in jacksonville? 16:50:21 I did not specifically look at housing availability in florida, maybe they got enough? What I said is that Canada immigration % was way bigger than new housing and that housing was already limited in 2010 16:50:33 that is what driven the price... there 16:50:59 housing is not capped 16:51:14 just build more houses 16:51:16 Yes it is, you have to build more 16:51:16 whats the problem 16:51:20 and? 16:51:24 did we forget how to do that? 16:51:32 the problem is that THEY DID NOT.. at least not in sufficient quantity 16:51:42 and the admins promished to build more but did not 16:51:46 so then your problem isnt immigration, its that you are too lazy to build houses 16:51:55 they arent the ones that build houses 16:51:58 construction workers do 16:53:27 IF I did own commi blocks in Canada in 2010, why would I have built more, can rack way more cash by charging double for the unit I already own. 16:53:42 you are contradicting yourself 16:54:04 first you say there are immigrants coming which drives up the price which would make building new houses extremely profitable 16:54:12 now youre saying its somehow profitable to NOT build them 16:54:14 it cant be both 16:54:39 the people who own the current houses arent the construction workers who would build new ones 16:54:39 non, I said that there is not enough housing unit lol. And that they need more. The state promished to help on that sector but that did not append. And the people owning the stuff where happy to ask more money and just not building more 16:54:58 again. the state doesnt build houses. construction workers do 16:55:05 but putting a cap on immigration (or actual requirement) then you would never have that problem 16:55:44 State can pay construction workers yes, using tax they already have 16:55:57 except youd then complain that all the goods and services that those immigrants would be making are too expensive 16:56:08 uh, no. the immigrants pay the construction workers 16:56:14 i.e. the people who want to live in the new houses 16:56:16 i'm talking about housing 16:56:22 not good and services 16:56:41 right. so you put a cap on housing and housing prices ease. but other prices rise. then you complain about those and you demand the government do something 16:56:47 so the government turns immigration back on 16:56:57 prices ease but housing goes up, and you complain again 16:57:04 see the problem isnt the government. its YOU 16:57:11 YOU think the government is responsible for any of this shit 16:57:22 food price rise is due to the carbon taxe for a big part, then also the inflation 16:57:25 YOU keep demanding that they do something, when the reality is they cant do anything 16:57:30 farmers use diesel 16:57:34 trucks use diesel 16:57:41 warehouse use diesel 16:57:49 right, because they need to collect taxes to do all the stupid shit you want from them 16:57:55 let pump the take to 23% in April! 16:57:57 policing the border costs money 16:58:00 taxe* 16:58:53 food price got up because of inflation and massive carbon taxe, house price got up because of immigration and inflation. 16:59:08 no, they got up because of YOU 16:59:26 not at all, I left that scam... before troudeau got elected 16:59:27 YOU keep refusing to acknowledge the real causes 16:59:47 YOU cant accept that government cant help with any of this 17:00:34 Well, the if I put immigrant in a white van and drive them down to US, I would get arrested, how I can fix the issue? 17:00:54 get rid of government 17:01:05 snex: your point is people should be more, how do I put it, self-sufficient? Expect less of governments, of other people. Is that it? 17:01:18 Yeah, that's would be the outcome. Can't do that alone, too much normies that comply with it 17:01:36 government, by definition, is nothing but a mafia that the people believe is legitimate 17:01:50 would you ever believe that adding a mafia to a situation will help? no. so neither will adding a government 17:02:10 Yeah, I know, kind of said that too. They promise thing to win vote then scam the hell out of the people 17:02:35 but you fall for it too. you think if theyd implement YOUR policies, such as "stop immigration" hten it would help 17:03:01 Well, they do control immigration right now, they control the valve that allow the flow to come in... or no. 17:03:16 so as they control it now, they could close it... and that would fix the problem 17:03:22 no, it wouldnt 17:03:25 once again 17:03:31 they cannot fix anything 17:03:37 you cannot ever fix any problem by adding a mafia 17:03:54 getting rid of the gouv would work too, but there is not enough people to do that, most of them are slave to the system 17:04:00 they most don't give a fsck 17:04:38 of course they can't fix anything. But you can fix immigration problem by closing or capping immigration. 17:04:42 all you need to do is get people to realize theyre just a mafia 17:04:53 there is no "immigration problem" 17:04:58 people moving freely is not a problem 17:05:17 Yeah, but they get money for them.. There even some talk about bring the universal income max slavery scam up there 17:05:27 so people will be more addicated to the state than ever 17:09:01 How much % of the population is needed to work together to be able to get rig of the state? 5%? 17:09:47 There people also need weapons and good logistic (the state have police and army). 17:10:10 you dont need violence at all 17:10:12 just... ignore them 17:10:40 I believe states will form again in a matter of centuries (at most). It's a human nature thing. The best we can do is ignore them. 17:10:49 For that to work, you would need probably 20% or something. That would be indeed ideal. If too much people don't comply, they can't do a thing about it anymore 17:11:04 you dont need 20% 17:11:36 You think 5 would work? can they just increase the taxe on the other 95%? 17:11:55 think about it this way. how many people in your personal circle ignore the government? most likely 0 right? 17:12:16 and you are somebody who knows about monero and stuff, so youre in a better position than most 17:12:19 Not a lot, near 0 yeah lol 17:12:49 and you probably have roughly 100 to 200 people in that circle 17:13:03 what if just ONE of those people started? 17:16:13 if every person had "that guy" in their circle who they knew just wasnt having it, theyd realize that its possible 17:17:10 Yeah, true. 17:17:46 were you in canada during covid? how many people did you see ignoring masks? 17:17:51 again probably 0 17:18:10 i live in las vegas. after about 1 month nobody was wearing them in most places. i refused from day 1 17:18:17 Canada 0..... In my current location, "what's covid? lets party!" 17:18:54 Canada was totally scarry to look at during covid 17:19:08 People just complied, they needed the vax to work.... 17:19:15 so most of them got it 17:20:58 my work told me i "needed" it. told them fuck you. still working same place 17:21:03 Troudeau apparently did own stock from the company that invented the microcapside used for storing each RNA so if true, personally profited for each of his citizen injection 17:22:28 The Internet (me "work") did not ask me anything. As for my location, I am not aware of any wagies being forced to vax for work. 17:23:24 Some npc did wear mask here but really not a lot. Some places had warning like "mask required" but I ignored theses and they did say nothing 18:05:49 #monero-offtopic 👍️ 18:17:01 hey guys 18:17:01 how fucked are we 18:17:04 monero is down like 30% 18:17:21 if yall can hear me and this bridge aint one way 18:17:42 is monero going to get vaporized or? 18:17:57 somerandomguy: dont worry bridge is working 18:18:29 oh 18:18:31 aight 18:18:39 but is monero fucked? 18:18:50 idk i joined yesterday xD 18:18:51 yes. call your lawmakers and tell them to https://banmonero.com 18:18:55 nope. getting rid of binance makes monero stronger 18:18:56 lmao 18:19:09 is binance's delisting a sign of times to come? 18:19:12 oh 18:19:20 wait so that doesnt mean other exchanges might delist it? 18:19:37 I was hoping that Binance would remove XMR for years now 18:19:37 wait why 18:19:52 Binance is simply shady, they refuse to show us their supposed reserves 18:19:58 XMR being delisted from CEX just proves XMR is the way to go. 18:20:10 its impossible to show people your monero reserves 18:20:16 the classic "deposits are open, but withdrawals are closed" 18:20:45