09:50:09 <m-relay> <s​usguy446:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/HTOsDxHwUSmayBLPmXKGXfdY
09:50:11 <m-relay> <s​usguy446:matrix.org> makes sense
10:04:44 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Windows, not even once (says me a window user (unfortunately for now)).
10:05:32 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> *To Clarify, Windows past Windows 7.
10:05:33 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Windows 7, and Before were good.
10:11:33 <m-relay> <k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Are we the bad guys?
10:12:06 <m-relay> <p​olar9669:matrix.org> You have any doubt?
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12:31:28 <m-relay> <m​obley:converser.eu> Faucet for xmr?
12:36:16 <plowsof> Stagenet/testnet coins https://community.rino.io/faucet/stagenet/
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15:22:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> literally gets a sense of all your files
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17:05:58 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Wouldn't Linux or BSD be the best OS to mine on? There would be less stuff to eat up CPU cycles and therefore give you a higher hashrate
17:08:43 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Mining on windows or macos seems like you're intentionally giving yourself a handicap
17:14:43 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Windows and MacOS get better drivers for GPU's.
17:16:48 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I suppose, but what about XMR? I know that you can use your GPU to mine it, but from my understanding it isn't effective.
17:42:22 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> You will have to use your CBDC money to buy Bitcoin, then atomic swap to Monero. Then use that Monero for stuff like weed, gold, and circular economies.
17:42:47 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> As someone already said, it's the good and services that matter.
17:42:58 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> If there are goods and services for
17:43:09 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Monero, then there will be activity.
17:44:44 <snex> why would you do that rather than use your CBDC to buy computers and then mine monero
17:46:45 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> You have to wait for mining. I can buy monero and have it put in a dummy wallet then transfer it to my personal for comparable privacy in a fraction of the time
17:47:43 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Likewise for atomic swaps
17:50:22 <snex> mining is and always will be permissionless. other ways of getting in, not so much
17:52:33 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I agree, but if I'm getting 5¢ a day then I'm going to do something else
17:53:36 <snex> 5c per day of current mining will be ___ worth in the dystopian future you are imagining?
17:58:45 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Huh?
17:59:11 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I mine, but sometimes I want XMR without having to wait
17:59:33 <snex> if today you mine 0.02 xmr which is worth $0.05, how much will 0.02 xmr be worth in a dystopian future?
18:03:16 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I don't care about what it *might* be worth *eventually*, I care about what it's worth *now*
18:05:06 <snex> thats the wrong way to think about it
18:05:46 <snex> buying a computer to mine is essentially buying a bond
18:06:14 <snex> or a dividend paying stock
18:06:48 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I agree
18:06:58 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> However, I don't have the money for a dedicated mining rig
18:09:29 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I would want nothing more than to have a PC mining 24/7, but currently that's a 930 H/s Thinkpad that gives me next to nothing. If I want some monero, then I'm going to buy it, have it deposited in a dummy wallet, transfer it to my main, then use it for the thing I want to get
18:10:40 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Reality isn't always permissive to our preferred methods
18:12:16 <snex> you should look into selling goods and services for xmr
18:15:37 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Where could I do that?
18:15:46 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Or what sites would you recommend?
18:17:38 <snex> moneromarket.io is a marketplace for goods
18:18:03 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Thank you
18:18:59 <snex> there are some telegram channels: https://t.me/MoneroMarketplace and https://t.me/MoneroJobs
18:21:51 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Goddamn it, don't they know Telegram is kyc? You need a phone to use it, and the desktop app is pure bloat.
18:22:37 <snex> when these things were made, telegram was the only option supporting group chats
18:23:48 <snex> feel free to try to convince people to migrate somewhere else
18:25:53 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Why is KYC such a big deal? If I sell something, put that XMR in account A, then transfer it to account B, wouldn't that protect me?
18:26:37 <snex> if the guy you sold it to was a fed, then the feds know YOU sold it
18:26:45 <snex> if theres no KYC, then the feds only know SOMEBODY sold it
18:26:59 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> fortunately I'm not selling anything illegal
18:27:10 <snex> like that ever stopped them
18:27:13 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> the feds can have fun knowing I sold a bike or my old xbox
18:27:41 <snex> better report that on your income taxes
18:28:05 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> touché
18:28:51 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I rescind my previous statement
18:29:16 <snex> just use telegram chats as a meet-n-greet. discuss actual deals elsewhere
18:29:52 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> where would you recommend? Encrypted matrix chats?
18:30:26 <snex> i like simpleX for maximum plausible deniability
18:30:58 <snex> it all depends on your use case really
18:31:14 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> simplex.chat
18:31:51 <snex> if youre doing something that requires a higher level of trust you might want to meet face to face a couple times
18:32:05 <snex> you should look for crypto meetups in your area
18:32:10 <snex> form local networks
18:32:51 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Maybe mining is the way to go...
18:33:23 <snex> ideally you should look into all options
18:33:43 <snex> thats how the alternate economy comes to be
18:34:45 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> To be honest, I'm concerned that my naïveté will cause me to mess something up
18:35:42 <snex> practice opsec when you do everyday shit in the normal economy
18:36:13 <snex> example - see if you can buy something with no way of tracking you were ever there
18:36:47 <snex> think about all the ways somebody could prove you were in a place and bought a thing, and see how youd avoid that
18:37:07 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Do you have any resources for learning all of this?
18:37:28 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I don't just want to partake; I want to understand how it all works
18:37:39 <snex> not really, i just do it on my own. but funny you ask im trying to get a podcast started around this kinda thing
18:37:54 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'd listen
18:39:33 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://github.com/jermanuts/bad-opsec
18:40:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> .
18:40:58 <snex> if you know any middle aged russian people, ask them how they did things during the ussr
18:41:03 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I've read some things like that. From what I've seen, if you just shut up then you'll be fine.
18:41:08 <snex> black markets made life possible
18:41:55 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> What VPN would y'all recommend?
18:43:30 <snex> i use proton but again depends on your use case
18:43:54 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I currently use AirVPN because of port-forwarding
18:44:09 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> RIP Mullvad 😔
18:45:23 <snex> if you need true anon activity then probably use i2p not a vpn
18:46:18 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Do regular torrents work on i2p?
18:46:50 <snex> you cant reach the clearnet on i2p under normal circumstances, but there are torrent networks in there
18:48:06 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> do you know of any i2p torrent trackers?
18:49:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://www.privacyguides.org/en/vpn/
18:50:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> they are good too
18:50:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> heard they are blocking Italian users
18:50:50 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> check their forum
18:50:51 <snex> tracker2.postman.i2p
18:50:57 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> Man I really shouldn't be using the same username for everything
18:51:08 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes
18:51:27 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'll get to changing them eventually
18:51:42 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Use keepassXC
18:51:48 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> already do
18:51:52 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> good
18:51:57 <snex> i use the same username for things because i never break any laws
18:52:17 <m-relay> <x​ygyl:matrix.org> winkwink
19:34:08 <Guest12> hi all, where I can find information about local user groups/meetings in the UK, looked around the gentmonero.org but did not see anything.
19:34:40 <snex> is meetup.com a thing there?
19:36:14 <Guest12> to be hones I am ditching everything that stands in the middle any services including meetup.com gmail outlook icloud etc
19:36:55 <Guest12> so that's not an option
19:38:21 <Guest12> And I mean everything, will see hot it will go
19:38:23 <snex> huh?
19:38:32 <snex> so... irc. and asking strangers on irc
19:38:35 <snex> bye!
19:39:32 <Guest12> You do not think logically, there is no strangers, but like minded individuals
19:39:50 <snex> asking people to point you to a resource is a middle man
19:39:55 <snex> and that resource is itself a middle man
19:40:20 <snex> and if your only answer to people who give you helpful replies is to say "nuh uh im not using that"
19:40:27 <snex> then dont waste our time with your stupid question
19:40:59 <Guest12> I wonder why there is always shortage of hands lol
19:41:55 <Guest12> the question is downright blunt and straight
19:42:13 <snex> as was the answer
19:42:21 <snex> not my problem you dont like it
19:42:24 <snex> thats the answer
19:44:39 <Guest12> waste of time like anywhere in any IRC, that's the culture of IRC have nice time.
19:45:01 <snex> rofl
19:45:12 <snex> you got a helpful answer in less than 10 seconds
19:45:23 <snex> and you were immediately a fuckin dick to me about it
19:45:31 <snex> so guess what, YOURE the problem here
19:46:03 <snex> dont let the door hit you on the way out
20:05:59 <plowsof> so snex can't work in customer facing roles, noted 
20:06:53 <snex> actually that was my first job out of college. one day the boss calls me into his office. im like "ok definitely getting fired." he tells me the customers love me and im getting a huge raise
20:07:40 <snex> but it was tech support for a niche product not generic normie shit