00:22:06 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> With decoys, there are usually 2 outputs? And therefore, when you sweep a UTXO, it sticks out like a sore thumb? 
00:22:06 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Likewise, when multiple utxos are spent together, they effectively defeat any decoys concerning those UXTOs because the joint spend is obviously the real spend?
06:16:58 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> wtf did i miss
06:17:53 <snex> literally everything
06:18:12 <snex> 13.7 billion years ago, the universe came into existence
06:18:12 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> tldr?
06:18:21 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> on a scale of 1 to 10, how much drama was there while i was gone?
06:18:34 <snex> finally it expanded enough for stars to form
06:18:49 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> uh oh
06:18:51 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> also whast the tldr
06:18:55 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> legit
06:18:55 <snex> 5 billion years ago our solar system coalesced from a supernova
06:18:59 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> also whats the tldr
06:19:03 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> oh no
06:19:07 <snex> i dont know when you left
06:19:16 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> oh uh
06:19:32 <snex> around 3 billion years ago, life formed (we dont know how yet)
06:19:40 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> i was last here like 2 days ago
06:19:51 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> and i came back to you burning some guy
06:19:58 <snex> oh thats just normal
06:22:01 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> oh
06:25:14 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> why you burn him tho
06:25:40 <snex> he asked for help, i gave help, then he was a dick about it
06:25:47 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> O O F
06:25:58 <m-relay> <s​omerandomguy> that is a veritable 2x OOF
15:34:51 <makeleio> is anyone atm project working?
15:35:15 <makeleio> "any atm" sorry for my english
15:37:08 <nioCat> this is being developed  https://atm.monero.is/
15:37:52 <nioCat> oh he left  :(  
15:39:15 <makeleio> thank you
15:40:42 <makeleio> this is a future project.i want  to buy one and to use in my shop!
15:41:09 <makeleio> a real one not theory
15:44:13 <plowsof> siren stnby, makeleio wants to buy an assembled monero atm / plug and play no manuals, just freedom 
15:46:21 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> 2 or 1 way one? KYC requirements? Budget?
15:51:31 <makeleio> no kyc
15:51:47 <makeleio> budget you know better
15:52:02 <makeleio> 1way no problem
17:45:13 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> why does monero-wallet-cli --generate-from-keys require private view key?
17:45:19 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> can't it be recovered from spend key?
17:45:26 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> how do i get private view key from spend key
17:54:20 <plowsof> I know that valdracs monero wallet sdk only requires spend key to restore a wallet
17:57:25 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> In the beginning, Monero key/wallet generation was non-deterministic, so it would generate the two private keys independently
17:58:36 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> ok, but why its still asking view key
17:58:48 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> akahow can i derive view key from spend key manually?
17:59:38 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Because the software has no idea if your keys were generated with the new deterministic process, or if they weren't (in which case you *must* provide both, otherwise you can't recover the wallet)
17:59:44 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> So it asks for both
17:59:56 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> how can i derive view key from spend key manually?
17:59:58 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> You should recover from the seed, if you can
18:00:12 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> i can't
18:00:12 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> i lost seed, only have spend key and address
18:00:20 <plowsof> Thanks endor, yes, "deterministic" wallet rings a bell 
18:01:08 <plowsof> Nothing new/specific to monero wallet sdk*
18:01:41 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Then you need to look for a wallet software that has the option to regenerate the view key from the spend key using the deterministic process
18:01:59 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Or, alternatively, look for a script/something that can do that for you
18:02:15 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> (There are probably some tools in some library somewhere, but I don't recall which/where off the top of my head)
18:03:01 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Oh, Feather wallet should be able to do that I think
18:03:11 <ofrnxmr> https://xmr.llcoins.net/
18:03:48 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> (or at least, I see that option in version 2.4.9 - but it should be in the latest as well)
18:04:06 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> wait, view key can be derived from spend key via keccak256?
18:04:31 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Create a new wallet -> Restore wallet from keys -> Wallet type: Spendable -> Paste your spend key and main address
18:04:57 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Better use Feather wallet and keep things offline
18:05:35 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> (Or at the very least: avoid pasting your private spend key into a *web browser* if you can)
18:06:10 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> i dont see option to derive view key from spend key from that site
18:06:23 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> but maybe im blind
18:06:37 <ofrnxmr> I think theres another page on that site, i cant remember the path
18:07:33 <ofrnxmr> https://xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html
18:07:48 <ofrnxmr> (ymmv, i didnt look before sending)