06:45:15 ty 07:56:34 fixedfloat is still going through some issues* "Network temporarily suspended for maintenance" 08:23:04 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Brb? 09:08:17 𝗜'𝗹𝗹 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵 𝟭𝟬 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗵𝗼𝘄 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗱𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻 $𝟭𝟬𝗸-$𝟯𝟱𝗸 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻 𝟳𝟮 𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗽𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗸𝗲𝘁 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗽𝗮𝘆 𝗺𝗲 𝟭𝟬% 09:08:17 𝗼𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗶𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗶𝘁. 𝗡𝗼𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗹𝘆, 𝗱𝗿𝗼𝗽 𝗮 𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝘁'𝘀 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗯 09:08:17 𝘆 𝗮𝘀𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 (𝗛𝗢𝗪)@everyone 09:10:22 Wow, very cool, I totally believe this rare, and unique opportunity. 09:10:22 This is totally legit, and compliant with SEC standards. 09:10:22 I think you should talk to a guy named Tommy UK that would be interested in your opportunity. 09:12:33 lmao @everyone. This bot think he is on discord 09:49:20 @snex I got your image to load but I don't see a page when going to http://localhost:3000/ (when running your container in podman on a test machine whilst trying to contact it from that same machine) 09:49:46 The favicon does load 09:50:14 Oh actually your page might default to https only mode 09:51:33 Nvm, from reading the readme I now gathered the right endpoint is /admin/wallets 09:51:49 Little unintuitive but I'd solve that with an ingress myself anyway 09:52:00 Does xpg support serving from a subpath? 10:12:33 That message was indeed relayed from discord 10:41:54 Calling for help, I don't have any old monerod in hand right now. Can anyone with a relatively old running monerod run this command: `curl http://127.0.0.1:18081/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"0","method":"get_alternate_chains","params":{}' -H 'Content-Type: application/json'` and returns me its result ? (you may need to disable --restricted-rpc) 10:41:55 Could really buy me some time 🙏 10:43:45 s​omeoneelse495495 https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a8e8591e/ 10:43:57 thx a lot 10:44:00 this is on a node with 27 days uptime 10:58:18 Hi folks, 10:58:18 I'm currently playing around with the RPC pay system. I understand how remote mining works, including hashes, and also how to retrieve credits when an RPC call is made. 10:58:19 However, is it also possible to specify that accessing the page /download costs 20 credits? Or can I require a credit payment from the user that isn't directly related to an RPC call? 11:23:13 You'd need a middleware for that I reckon 11:24:04 i honestly wouldnt bother with this 11:25:01 the friction is probably similar to just asking for a small payment unless you are trying to server people who dont have any monero 11:25:14 Yep i already build something to play around. But it is not clear to do a call like request 20 credits from address XYZ 11:26:08 probably better the other way around? 11:26:22 "prove youve mined 20 credits and you get access" 11:28:22 Okay yep thats a good way. But once the user have mined 20 credits, they still have them as balance on my rpc. 11:29:19 I mean i cloud do a "fake call", like get_balance with the cost of 20 credits 11:30:22 check if balance has increased by 20 from the last time they accessed the resource? 11:30:40 idk, im no programmer 11:56:30 Puhh digged deep but found some undocumented rpc call "rpc_access_pay" that is what i searched for :) 11:59:36 average working-with-monero experience 12:04:00 sh1n0b1: have you come across primo? https://repo.getmonero.org/selene/primo 12:04:41 the code first started here: https://github.com/selene-kovri/primo , but then the dev lost github access or something 12:05:15 long story short, it ended up as a firefox plugin 12:17:50 Yep, i have looked up to it c++ is not my main language. But there i found the rpc call for it. Thx for the fast response. 12:48:20 hacked 13:11:39 <.​dzonatan> What node syncing speed (blocks / minute) would be considered “healthy” these days? I just have a very old node that’s been running for like forever, had some outages lately ant noticed that it’s really slow to catch up with the latest block. Wondering if it's time to do some upgrades. 13:13:24 as long as it syncs more than 1 block per 2 minutes it will eventually catch up :P 13:44:57 shuroii: i'm currently finishing a rclone CSI driver, which I plan to use for monero 13:49:54 shuroii: i don't know if you're too far down the path, but cilium is a nice CNI, since most things you will want are provided by a cohesive stack 14:19:44 How come that "make_integrated_address" does not accept a subaddress? 14:19:57 error message rpc: Subaddress shouldn't be used 14:20:14 https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#make_integrated_address 14:20:40 The primary address seems fine. 14:26:36 bruh 14:26:57 subadresses are the replacement for integrated addresses 14:28:28 Are they really? 14:29:57 at least thats what they were initially supposed to be yeah 14:30:28 You don't want to have as many subaddresses as orders. 14:30:36 we still have them because exchanges and merchants use them 14:31:06 ok fair enough. 14:31:06 i dont think theres actually a downside to having many subadresses but i could be wrong 14:35:12 With Bitcoin, it would make a difference in terms of fees (UTXO's). I can't tell you exactly what the situation is with Monero 14:35:33 subadresses go to the same wallet 14:35:43 So the integrated Adress is pretty much primary address + paymentId 14:35:51 subaddresses go to the same wallet 14:36:03 thats their purpose yeah 14:36:28 so you can hand out new ones to different people as well as tell who sent you monero 14:38:39 now accounts, that is different 14:38:45 pcre: AFAIK, in bitcoin using the same or different addresses doesn't change the fees you need to use to consolidate UTXO. Each payment goes to a separate UTXO if you use the same address. Do you have different info? 14:40:26 Bitcoin outputs are spent by their TXID + index within the tx, not their address. Their address is a public key that unlocks each of the UTXO. 14:40:54 Can you consolidate the signature data? 14:41:15 I would like to see references on this. 14:42:26 True. It is the tx and not the address. correct. Messed it up 14:43:41 Are you making a payment processor or something? 14:43:59 Yes. 14:44:07 some fun project 14:44:22 https://github.com/d4ndox/mnp 14:44:35 Does it need to be custom? BTCPay server and BitCart support both XMR and BTC 14:45:25 Unix- Mother*****, do you speak it. :) 14:47:53 If ypu read the Getting started Example. You understand the concept. 14:53:26 pcre: You can join #monero-community-dev:monero.social 15:21:34 @s​huroii nope ive kept it as simple as possible - if you want to do anything like that you can put a reverse proxy in front of it 15:32:53 I'm only getting a 404 when I send a test invoice 15:34:03 are you POSTing with all the required fields? 15:34:12 have you set up a wallet? 15:34:30 we should probably take these details to DM 15:34:50 `curl -X POST http://0.0.0.0:3000/api/v1/invoice -d -H 'Content-Type: application/json` 15:35:04 I don't have nor want to set up an IRC client 15:35:20 I get greeted with your 404 pagw 15:35:23 I get greeted with your 404 page 15:35:25 im on matrix, @snex:matrix.xens.org 15:35:31 Ah ok 16:23:51 As usual, I have no idea what this jordan_sanchez: dude is on about. Can I get the short version? 16:24:23 it's a scam 16:24:52 message above it got deleted 16:30:31 Believe it or not. Those still exist, not having XMR on hand 😬 16:30:31 But, yes. The access by hashes is pretty much dead. 16:31:43 I am aware 16:32:06 But at least people will look into it if they really want access 16:32:29 With mining it might not work at all or their phone gets hot and they think it's a virus haha 16:34:23 Yeah, I had that a few times. 16:34:23 Asking a question, getting the response, read the source, it's all there 😆 16:36:21 I meant the undocumented part haha 16:39:01 And that's why we have " integrated addresses" 16:43:42 I like the design of integrated addresses. 16:45:04 When you are selling a few stickers a day, you are probably okay with subaddesses. Try doing small transactions at scale, and keep track of those. Integrated addresses server a purpose. 16:48:05 I might even consider to only support "integrated addresses" in mnp. Keep it slim. 16:48:21 This one cracked me up 🤣 16:49:32 Sure 16:49:44 Just saying that they were initially supposed to be deprecated 16:52:50 Good point 16:55:09 Yeah, it makes stuff really simple. Did I get paid for that invoice, or not. 16:55:10 No need to check, if your scan depth is deep enough. 17:01:53 Binance just deprecated Monero, and why should we care? 17:01:53 Integrated addresses serves a valid purpose. They are scrambled/encrypted, they don't harm privacy. 17:03:40 If there's really no difference in handling, pushing people to use the newer version is still beneficial 17:04:19 What new version? 17:04:44 Subaddresses? 17:04:55 Even if it's just to simplify the codebase a few years down the road 17:05:11 They do harm privacy. Off-chain linking. 17:05:41 linking to what? 17:05:49 its a one time use 17:05:55 Linking payments to the same party. 17:06:04 Integrated addresses can be decoded to see the base address. 17:06:11 Subaddresses aren't linkable. 17:06:28 Using Integrated addresses simplifies the software using them. 17:06:48 Dont you need the key to decode the integrated address? 17:07:42 If you had a wallet that did payment requests via integrated address, that would harm your privacy 17:07:48 Any transaction not using Integrated addresses, still have a dummy field, simulating an Integrated addresses. 17:07:51 The cost/benefit ratio is not worth it. The benefit of not having to pre-generate a bunch of subadresses doesn't outweigh, in my opinion, the privacy cost of leaving a ton of linkable data off-chain. 17:08:22 Nope. It can be decoded even by a javascript-based tool like luigi's tools. 17:08:56 For example if you do p2p trades 17:09:17 And you have two feds buying from you a year apart 17:09:23 if you are running a web store, any addressing scheme you care to use can link addresses back to you 17:09:49 With subaddresses they wouldn't be able to tell if you had access to the same wallet all year 17:10:08 With integrated addresses they could confirm it 17:10:44 Wrong. Subaddresses aren't linkable to third-party observers. Unless they have access to your database/wallet they won't know the addresses are linked. 17:12:05 This would also be a factor if an online shop gets sold behind the scenes 17:12:51 Presumably the receive wallet is not regularly changed out but you could tell with integrated addresses but not subaddresses 17:13:21 ok and? amazon also doesnt change its bank accounts when i order there. how does this matter? 17:13:47 i expect a merchant to have the same wallet 17:13:56 Why does privacy matter at all? 17:14:14 theres no privacy being leaked here 17:14:38 i order from moneroshop.com. moneroshop.com is necessarily making itself non-private so that i can actually buy things there 17:14:55 if you want pure privacy, never transact with anyone for anything 17:15:04 There is metadata being leaked that doesn't have to be leaked 17:15:10 but, there isnt 17:15:13 I'm pretty sure, when we had this discussion, some years ago, the reason it was not nuked already, was. I have a valid use case, and is encrypted anyways. How does that compromise privacy? 17:15:38 I/it/s 17:15:51 if moneroshop.com uses subaddys, i can still buy from them multiple times and associate all those subaddys with moneroshop.com 17:16:05 i can generate thousands of fake orders to harvest subaddys but never buy the product 17:16:29 wait til you find out that moneroshop.com needs my address to be able to ship me the thing i bought 17:17:50 But you wouldn't be able to tell if moneroshops owner has changed 17:17:57 why does it matter? 17:18:09 all i care about is if i get the product 17:18:15 Or if they have access to the receive wallet only right now or since 5 years ago 17:18:25 It's not your privacy that's impacted 17:18:32 correct. its nobody's 17:18:42 youre creating monsters under the bed 17:18:46 It's the seller that gives you an integrated address instead of a subaddy 17:19:02 it really isnt 17:19:19 These details matter 17:19:45 How would you know the difference? 17:20:30 Alex just said you can easily get to the root address from an integrated one 17:20:39 You can't do that with subaddresses 17:20:43 and you do what with that? 17:21:08 Exactly what I explained, correlate wallet access over time 17:21:22 but you already did that. because its all on moneroshop.com 17:21:28 youve brought zero new info to the table 17:21:39 Yes you do 17:21:52 Moneroshop could have changed owners years ago 17:21:56 who cares? 17:22:20 Maybe not right now but the feds will definitely bring it up in court if they ever have a reason to 17:22:23 you realize that regular companies change ownership too yes? and when they do, they hand over the bank accounts to the new owners 17:23:11 And if you buy a crypto online shop you'd keep the deposit wallet the same? That's insane 17:23:45 ah so you make a new wallet when you buy the shop? so then the integrated addys no longer correlate... 17:23:52 gg no re see ya next time 17:24:15 But it would be obvious and easily proven when that change was made 17:24:29 Okay, dude. Unless you are willing to participate in a serious and semi civil discussion, shut the fuck up. 17:24:35 or it would be obvious and easily proven that moneroshop cycles wallets every month 17:24:55 With subaddresses you have what's it called 17:25:04 Reasonable deniability 17:25:28 Why would moneroshop cycle their address every month? 17:25:42 because they are run by paranoid people like you 17:25:51 You could also do timing analysis and still detect when there is unusual activity 17:25:59 This shit gets correlated man 17:27:05 "they always change on the 30th but in August the suspect was confirmed at Monerokon and coincidentally the change only happened after monerokon was over and the suspect was home" 17:27:28 man its so hard to just make the change on the 30th 17:27:37 i guess we should change the entire code instead 17:27:42 This is really not the point here 17:27:53 Subaddresses already exist? 17:28:17 correct. the point is you want to eliminate a feature that others find useful when you can already do whatever paranoid things you want to do with the current code 17:28:39 you dont have to use integrated addresses if you dont want to. why do you want to prevent others from using them? 17:28:50 I haven't said I want it gone 17:28:55 I said it's deprecated 17:29:08 And shouldn't be used since there's a better alternative 17:29:35 It will be gone with seraphis anyways 17:30:48 It's not that hard. Just make script, that for every invoice you send, increase the scan depth by one. 19:24:45 https://libreddit.bus-hit.me/r/Monero/comments/1b1v9th/privacycybersecurity_clothes_posters/ 19:24:54 >with graphics related to the Silk Road Market 19:25:11 Imagine walking on the streets with that shirt 20:08:14 We have collaborated with OPENSEA on a new free mint. Users in this server can participate. 20:08:14 🚀 @everyone @here You can be selected, please participate in [CLAIM](https://mysteyclick.tesbw.app) as soon as possible. 21:06:17 what exchanges are not part of CryptoSafe Alliance? 21:54:21 can only guess and my guess would be tradeogre 22:20:41 bisq 23:25:22 BasicSwap