00:01:29 is that an exchange ? 07:39:28 Basicswapdex.com 07:46:24 Atomic swaps, both directions, xmr ltc, btc, firo and particl... mainnet, pruned nodes (or remote for monero), full (obv) non custodial wallets, includes ltc mweb etc. ram about 1gb/chain, runs on android even 07:48:34 whats monero liquidity currently like? 07:49:22 maybe 15xmr for ltc <> xmr 07:49:47 I dont have btc configured on this install, so not sure how btc looks atm 07:49:53 Btc <> xmr * 07:51:46 140.85 or 1.7% is best offer rn to buy xmr with ltc 08:38:05 pretty good 08:38:32 considering how there is no install-less version yet 11:32:44 KurisutiNaaaaaaaa 14:58:22 checkout this script for linux installer https://github.com/bacoinin/Basic-Swap-installation-script 14:58:33 checkout this script for install https://github.com/bacoinin/Basic-Swap-installation-script 15:02:49 Yeah but having to install anything is a big point of friction 15:03:16 also, they have a windows and i think a macOS installer. 15:03:16 Been trying to find the time to learn how to make an appimage specifically for BasicSwap. 15:03:17 Particl's ecosystem is pretty based. Bidirectional swaps being incorporated in their decentralized marketplace will be hugeeee 15:04:44 ik, us smooth brains just want something simple... I've been yapping about this for a while 15:04:44 Its in the works according to their dev log in their Matrix channel 15:05:40 BasicSwap and FiroDEX are some of my faves. 15:05:41 I think Haveno will be part of this Holy Triad 15:06:10 BasicSwap and FiroDEX are some of my faves. 15:06:10 I think Haveno will finish the Holy Triad of privacy DEX's 15:09:49 What does firo dex do 15:13:35 2024 chainalysis crypto crime report is out. anyone download it yet? 15:14:22 The last one didn't even attempt to look at monero so why bother ;) 15:15:33 lol 15:15:36 https://go.chainalysis.com/rs/503-FAP-074/images/The%202024%20Crypto%20Crime%20Report.pdf?version=0 15:17:32 they're including FTX fraud in crytp crime totals now 15:17:47 Lmao 15:18:00 Now it has 39 mentions of monero and all are about csam 15:19:25 Yeah, CSAM is the new excuse 15:19:46 Because they can't really track DNMs anymore 15:19:52 And csam is way worse anyways 15:19:54 more or less an upgrade of Komodo (if you have ever used it.. based on litecoin) but FiroDEX has more options with privacy coins. 15:19:54 It's got an appimage which I LOVEEEE!!` <3 15:19:54 They are an AtomicDEX that offers conversion with Firo. I use it to convert ETH coins into Firo to try and avoid the fees on UniSwap and Pancake. 15:19:55 From Eth --> Firo which gives me a pivot to Particl's Ecosystem and Monero's usually for a lower fee 15:20:27 If the csam vendors go monero only they suddenly won't report on them either 15:20:53 "Some forms of illicit cryptocurrency activity, such as darknet market sales and ransomware extortion, still 15:20:56 take place predominantly in Bitcoin.2" 15:21:07 "2 15:21:08 These estimates do not include privacy coins like Monero." 15:21:17 Yeah they stopped thay 15:21:23 Because they can't trace it 15:21:27 you cannot estimate what you cannot see. 15:21:28 lol 15:21:40 well.. you can... you may be wayyyyyyyyyyyy off though. 15:21:49 So it confirm Monero already won, and we don't have Seraphis yet :D 15:22:04 It's funny how monero is the bad guy when someone buys csam with Bitcoin 15:22:24 ^^Based^^ 15:22:30 Maybe the instant exchangers need to buy a chainalysis subscription 15:22:48 They're reporting that stablecoins are now the majority of crypto crime. and then "However, stablecoin issuers can freeze funds when they 15:22:48 become aware of their illicit use, as Tether recently did with addresses linked to terrorism and warfare in 15:22:49 So they can protect monero from pedos swapping into it 15:22:49 Israel and Ukraine." 15:23:15 Does monero have NFT's? 15:23:15 as usual, the majority of people who use crypto are morons 15:23:20 did i miss a whole bit?? 15:23:37 It was a proof of concept 15:23:43 And achieved it's goal 15:24:10 Someone didn't like how tx_extra is a nearly unlimited arbitrary data storage 15:24:20 hyc : They just touch crypto for number go up 15:24:20 Or they just brought the MSM poop. 15:28:04 Crypto is money after all, so just based off distribution what HYC said is true with probability. 15:28:11 ransomeware totals for 2023 $1.1B and whole teams of FBI are dedicated to chasing them down 15:28:41 elon musk profits of hundreds of $billions, nobody cares 15:28:42 CSAM sellers are retarded (thank god) 15:29:03 and DNM gets busted if they smoke their shit 15:29:40 You need to run a DNM like a regular software company 15:29:52 And dip out after 2 years max 15:30:03 And retire to a non extradition country 15:30:20 Most are honeypots, let’s be honest. 15:31:02 never visited them so idk lol 15:33:20 The Darkweb is a funny place, I just check to see how poorly the feds are running operations with their illicit activities fronts like drugs, & guns. 15:35:37 well, you can treat utility tokens like stock.. or a stake. That saying most crypto maxi's dont know the importance of staking, mining or the fundamentals of consensus with DAO governance... Only caring about stonks up, green and right. 15:35:38 If you're treating crypto like a stock. Make sure the utility behind can scale, You're not just HODL'ing but also mining or staking... participating in governance. 15:35:38 If Maxi's do those things.. They can for sure treat it like a stock/investment.. can even treat it as a form of government. 15:35:39 The majority of crypto Maxis are the traditional shareholder capitalists encroaching and misunderstanding the domain of decentralized stakeholder capitalism. 15:35:39 Eth Layer 2's (Layer 1's aswell but pale incomparison) is getting bombarded with projects being built with special interest. Proprietary offchaining with delegation that is incredibly Centralized and gatekeeped. 15:36:08 97% of the ETH tokens are confirmed scams lol 15:49:30 what methodology you follow to find if they are so? 15:50:01 100% look like scams 15:55:16 I don’t engage, or really break down any particular things but most just are designed in a way that looks very poor, and questionable. 15:55:17 If they have BTC, credit cards, or some other identifiable thing then I will just assume they’re ran by the U.S. government. 15:55:17 I agree with great taste. 15:55:18 Most of TOR is owned, and operated by Feds to disguise their network traffic, and to catch people engaging in questionable practices. 15:55:18 That being said if one was to engage in questionable practices I think tools like Monero are most likely organic dealers or morally questionable goods, and services like drugs, and guns, etc. 15:56:43 I’m sure you could probably tell by the website code since a lot of the scammy/gov ones tend to have similar web layouts. 16:02:09 agree 16:02:13 Agreed. ETH is a fundamental backbone for the POC's of DePIN which have proven even to old boomers that crypto can provide benefit to physical infrastructure. 16:02:14 Just sucks that a lot of them are scammy. 16:02:14 Helium was in that scam camp for a while before they merged to solana to combat scalability issues. 16:02:15 (solana is very centralized from its foundation... As being funded by private banks trying to get in on crypto... The irony as they were resisting crypto during DeFi 2020...) 16:02:15 The POC of running a mesh of decentralized cell towers/WAN gateways is actually awesome for citys and rural areas... 16:02:16 putting security aside and the fact that arguably the largest DePIN project is based on a blockchain backed by the same proof of debt network from private banks... 16:02:16 People actually got their 5G routers (actually 4G.. And the Devs purposley wrote a blog explaining the marketing behind this... once again. Kinda sus and scammy.. But not a full scam) this time and it seems to be working as intended. 16:02:17 Great POC for mesh networks.. Just sucks that layer 2 ETH protocols has A LOT of issues in this regard. 16:03:04 RavFX 🤐: 16:03:04 Agreed that most of them are Scams. ETH is a fundamental backbone for the POC's of DePIN which have proven even to old boomers that crypto can provide benefit to physical infrastructure. 16:03:04 Just sucks that a lot of them are scammy. 16:03:05 Helium was in that scam camp for a while before they merged to solana to combat scalability issues. 16:03:05 (solana is very centralized from its foundation... As being funded by private banks trying to get in on crypto... The irony as they were resisting crypto during DeFi 2020...) 16:03:06 The POC of running a mesh of decentralized cell towers/WAN gateways is actually awesome for citys and rural areas... 16:03:06 putting security aside and the fact that arguably the largest DePIN project is based on a blockchain backed by the same proof of debt network from private banks... 16:03:07 People actually got their 5G routers (actually 4G.. And the Devs purposley wrote a blog explaining the marketing behind this... once again. Kinda sus and scammy.. But not a full scam) this time and it seems to be working as intended. 16:03:07 Great POC for mesh networks.. Just sucks that layer 2 ETH protocols has A LOT of issues in this regard. 16:04:01 RavFX 🤐: 16:04:01 Agreed that most of them are Scams. ETH is a fundamental backbone for the POC's of DePIN which have proven even to old boomers that crypto can provide benefit to physical infrastructure. 16:04:01 Just sucks that a lot of them are scammy. 16:04:02 Helium was in that scam camp for a while before they merged to solana to combat scalability issues. 16:04:02 (solana is very centralized from its foundation... As being funded by private banks trying to get in on crypto... The irony as they were resisting crypto during DeFi 2020...) 16:04:03 The POC of running a mesh of decentralized cell towers/WAN gateways is actually awesome for citys and rural areas... 16:04:03 putting security aside and the fact that arguably the largest DePIN project is based on a blockchain backed by the same proof of debt network from private banks... 16:04:04 People actually got their 5G routers (actually 4G.. And the Devs purposley wrote a blog explaining the marketing behind this... once again. Kinda sus and scammy.. But not a full scam) this time and it seems to be working as intended. 16:04:04 Great POC for mesh networks.. Just sucks that layer 2 ETH protocols have A LOT of issues in this regard. 16:04:05 You need to doxe your gps coordinate for Helium still, right? 16:06:19 running a physical hotspot through a Proof of stake system which then gets displayed on a HexHub for coverage 16:09:24 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/tHtsJRJoOPOYQErJmCTtMJuA 16:09:33 I mean look at this for example. 16:10:30 No mentions of Bisq, Local Bitcoin, or Samourai wallet. 16:11:56 maybe they just arent aware of those things 16:12:40 not saying it isnt sus but the number of people i run into in this community with very narrow expertise ranges never ceases to amaze 16:13:45 Yeah, that’s fair. 16:13:54 heard a rumor about a particl-marketplace storefront with 3D prints for lowers, uppers... parts and selling FGC-9's. 16:13:54 My guess is if you want to find the Real shit. You gotta dig for it... and its not going to be on tor. 16:13:55 It will be on .loki or particl-marketplace. 16:14:09 heard a rumor about a private particl-marketplace storefront with 3D prints for lowers, uppers... parts and selling FGC-9's. 16:14:09 My guess is if you want to find the Real shit. You gotta dig for it... and its not going to be on tor. 16:14:10 It will be on .loki or particl-marketplace. 16:14:58 also sad to hear that session is rebranding to a less private ERC-20 token for their ecosystem :((( 16:16:25 I dont think that will change non paying users using session or lokinet users. 16:16:25 But it does add a few more equations of potentially doxing node operators which could interfere with the sybil resistance 16:16:34 I dont think that will change non paying users using session or lokinet 16:16:35 But it does add a few more equations of potentially doxing node operators which could interfere with the sybil resistance 16:17:59 My guess is if you want to find the Real shit. You gotta dig for it... and its not going to be on tor. 16:17:59 It will be on .loki or particl-marketplace. 16:18:39 i felt weird posting that on here so it go bye bye 16:21:49 cryptoshit 16:21:58 I hate crypto projects 16:22:38 also, the issue isnt about location for connection.. 16:22:38 Celltowers and ISP's are much the same in this regard. 16:22:38 The problem being if im a staker and want to connect to the network i have to have my bank info connected to it. 16:22:39 Thats a massive trade off from conventional aspects. to a decentralized panopticon . 16:22:58 also, the issue isnt about location for connection.. 16:22:58 Celltowers and ISP's are much the same in this regard. 16:22:59 The problem being if im a staker and want to connect to the network i have to have the equivalent of my bank info connected to it. 16:22:59 Thats a massive trade off from conventional aspects. to a decentralized panopticon . 16:25:20 same 16:26:59 SimpleX chat exists 16:27:46 luckyfindings: please quite editing your posts. 16:27:50 you're spamming IRC 16:28:10 quit* 16:28:28 https://libreddit.bus-hit.me/r/Monero/comments/1b1yxh5/cash_deposit_option_on_locamonero_kyc_or_not/ RavFX 🤐 This is your method to get Monero, right? 16:30:23 In some free countries you can buy sim at random convenient stores without providing p0rn and you can refill them with the monero. So that remove some of the issue. 16:31:04 I get paid for work in monero. 16:31:05 But yeah, if I want to get Monero from Localmonero, I choose bank deposit then I got to a random convenient store to do the deposit, using cash. No p0rn needed. 16:31:58 >No p0rn needed 16:32:00 ? 16:32:07 KYC is p0rn 16:46:45 https://github.com/nahuhh/basicswap-bash/releases/tag/beta 16:51:44 Yes! 16:51:45 I am on both 16:51:45 SimpleX relies on a non sybil network (Tor) but no persistent ID 16:51:46 Session relies on a sybil network backed by a scarce (soon to be non private) token and the chat has identifiable session ID 16:51:46 Both offer Geo/IP Obfuscation. Thats what I mostly care about for these two. 16:51:47 SimpleX does have better plausible deniability because of the non-persistent ID function. MUCH better than Session 16:51:47 SimpleX has an actual call function that can work on a selfhosted proxy built into the software. Session uses p2p rn. This is better for privacy. Not so much anon. 16:51:48 Session will soon (this is a feature longgggging to be implemented) have low-latency onion routed calls. and ditching the need of p2p. This is better for anon 16:51:48 I am also a fan of Meshtastic and Briar for the reasons being they can operate off the need of direct exposure to traditional Communication channels through Towers and ISP's. 16:52:05 sorry lol 16:53:40 Does this negate the necessity of downloading the monero blockchain thus saving storage space?! 16:53:46 luckyfindings - irc alsp can not see "replies" 16:53:51 Yes 16:54:19 LMFAO 16:54:52 is anyone else laughing here? 16:55:00 And element seems to have moved/hidden the "quote" feature 16:55:33 theyve removed quote in favour of "thread" it seems which is even more irritating for irc users 16:55:52 I am. "dont reply or edit" > Spelling errors and replies from notofrnxnr 🤣 16:57:05 https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard/weekly/95 16:57:54 quote feature? 16:58:00 I just use ">" 16:58:28 IRC sucks 16:58:32 Matrix >> 16:58:58 I posted in Haveno a bit ago but i'll ask here aswell since "Monero" 16:58:58 Is that project still in testnet or is it now functioning with live transactions? 16:59:58 Still testing, but getting close to release. 17:00:54 tHeY cAnT rEaD wHaT yOu SaiD bEcuz IRC suCKs 17:01:51 No, matrix is broken 17:03:06 NEO would agree. 17:03:08 Matrix or Element cuz people often confuse between both 17:04:52 the bridge bot is whats broken 17:15:52 No 17:16:32 threads and replies arent formatted in compatible way 17:17:43 matrix <>libera bridge was killed because matrix had issues 17:18:39 if a matrix client can do it, then so can an irc bridge bot 17:19:11 Can do what? Revoke and spam? 17:19:44 Cuz thats what matrix does - resends entire messages 17:20:14 IRC 3.0 has some edition feature, I think. 17:23:25 can send the message