05:03:03 what makes a full node provide better anonymity than a light node? 05:03:20 you run it yourself 05:04:09 snex: how does that provide better anonymity? in what attack scenarios/threat model would a light node be insufficient? 05:04:27 somebody else's node logs what you do on it 05:05:35 assuming one is using tor, how would that violate the coin's privacy guarantees? 05:05:52 is a light node just a thin client that puts 100% trust in another node? 05:08:04 aaabbb, yup 05:08:24 gingeropolous: so a light node provides no anonymity whatsoever if the full node it connects to logs? 05:09:50 well no, there's a bit of something there. i think when the wallet requests outputs for the ring sig, it requests a bunch of outputs so the node can't tell which one might be the real one 05:09:54 >Light wallets are specifically designed for speed and convenience while offering same security as a full node wallet. However note that since light wallet works by connecting to a third party operated full node it comes with some privacy issues. For example the node which your light wallet is connected to gets to know your IP address. 05:10:02 this doesn't seem like a violation of its anonymity or untracability 05:10:44 right. the main thing is IP leak. the secondary thing is the node the wallet connects to can just feed that wallet bogus information 05:10:48 you encrypt the tx on your client and the node only sees the encrypted tx. it doesnt know any more than the rest of the network 05:11:26 ok, so assuming ip leak is taken care of, does it ovver the same anonymity/untracibility? 05:11:30 which is how remote nodes led to some people paying massive fees for their txs. bogus info 05:12:25 i wouldn't say the same. id say very close. 05:12:55 they can still detect patterns if they try hard enough. common typos, order of operations, etc 05:13:23 in what threat model/attack scenarios would it be insufficient, assuming ip protection is taken care of? 05:13:31 and assuming no classical opsec mistakes 05:14:02 maybe certain kinds of timing attacks 05:14:14 lets ask the great oracles. 05:14:21 .ai are you here 05:14:22 gingeropolous: You must have bot account & be logged in 05:14:28 hrm. 05:14:34 !ai 05:14:38 snex: interesting, can you elaborate? 05:14:47 @ai 05:14:51 where are the bots. 05:15:20 like certain silk road products get sold every time a certain node gets used 05:16:24 oh i see 05:17:24 and when using a full node, that would be hidden due to use of tor (assuming tor is used) right? 05:20:32 full node is self hosted so nobody can look at it and see who was on it 05:21:35 does any equivalent to xmr.to still exist btw? 05:22:13 never heard of it 05:22:43 it was a site where you could put in a bitcoin address, then send monero to xmr.to and it would convert it to bitcoin and send it to the address you gave (after taking a fee of course) 05:22:55 like a non-registration, no-kyc, no-account exchange i guess 05:23:19 simpleswap 05:23:39 bisq is a full trading app, use that 05:23:41 i think cakewallet / monero.com do that. well, u can swap. might be one more step to send 05:23:52 cake uses simpleswap iirc 05:24:14 and it doesn't require credit card/phone number/id? 05:24:15 and there's always the atomic swaps 05:24:22 no 05:24:46 which are the apps doing the atomic swaps. the folks on monero talk tried to do one recently 05:24:59 simpleswap will block "suspicious" tx whatever that means and will always charge you vig. on bisq you can be the market maker if you are patient 05:25:17 basicswap i think its called? seems super alpha tho 05:25:26 snex: the tx can just be to a local electrum (bitcoin light) wallet. obviously through tor to maintain pseudonymity 05:25:52 bisq uses tor for all users and has a built in bitcoin wallet 05:26:01 interesting 05:26:05 works on linux? 05:26:12 i will look it up 05:26:12 ya 05:27:07 i'm already used to electrum and similar light wallets so i think i'll just use simpleswap and electrum 05:27:37 assuming simpleswap tries to block the tx (idk why it would tho) 05:28:08 they probably only block really large ones 05:28:22 oh this won't be very large 05:28:26 i'm not money laundering or anything 06:45:10 can some point me to the correct documentation to running monero cli threw trezor? 06:46:48 <3dprinterthing:tchncs.de> Don't throw your Trezor, it doesn't have metal body like a Ledger S Plus and you'll break it! 😂 06:46:48 <3dprinterthing:tchncs.de> If you threw it already you're doomed! 06:49:49 <3dprinterthing:tchncs.de> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRWibye6Egg 06:51:03 <3dprinterthing:tchncs.de> That's just Exodus so no relevant but anyhow... 06:52:27 this is what just referring to https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/11353/how-do-i-generate-a-trezor-monero-wallet-with-the-cli-monero-wallet-cli/ 07:06:16 lacekim: That guide is still accurate as far as I can see 07:06:20 Just has outdated version numbers 07:11:15 Any good theories about the massive tx spike over the past couple of days? 07:39:16 Nah 07:39:32 Whoops. Irc cant see 07:39:49 basicswap i think its called? seems super alpha tho 07:40:12 Its at least beta quality, and close to RC 07:40:46 It works very well, just needs polish and ux 07:41:12 Like.. dont use the windows or docker installer unless you like trouble 07:41:31 <123bob123:matrix.org> my middle name 07:52:13 07:40 < m-relay> Its at least beta quality, and close to RC 07:52:16 what is RC? 07:52:26 is that a product or do you mean release candidate? 07:54:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> second part 07:55:08 ok lol 08:33:39 YOOOO GUYS 08:33:43 MONERO IS BACK UP 08:33:48 WE ARE **SO** BACK 08:34:09 now it has to go up another 10 dollars or so and we will be fully back in operation 08:34:28 Price talk --> [Trash] 08:34:55 the fuck you mean 08:35:12 it's price is like, everything 08:35:20 it means everything to it's users and those who mine it 08:35:44 Nope. There are lots of other factors 08:35:57 And there are channels dedicated to price talk. This isn't it 08:40:41 yeah but like, you can't just ignore it 08:41:00 monero recovering quickly from binance delisting it is pretty significant, yes? 08:41:01 the price is something i couldn't care less about 08:41:26 unless it's gonna crash in like, 2 days, all i need it for is privacy 08:41:29 not investments 08:42:31 wait do yall like 08:42:38 not keep significant amount of money in a monero wallet? 08:42:44 do yall just use it as a method of transporting value? 08:42:54 that is safe from the feds? 08:43:30 fedposter 08:43:47 no i don't keep a significant amount in 08:43:59 it's too volatile for that 08:44:03 crypto in general is 08:44:25 monero is very stable for a crypto 08:44:44 i believe its the least volatile non-stablecoin there is 08:44:49 ig but i wouldn't put anything significant in it 08:44:53 not for a very long time 08:45:37 You'd shiver at what people I know are doing with their houses 08:45:56 (putting them into crypto) 08:47:28 oh 08:47:32 so like 08:47:38 yall just use it to throw cash 08:47:42 makes sense i suppose 08:48:23 wait so then what is one supposed to use for storing cash? 08:48:25 tether? 08:48:26 cash? 08:48:35 bitcoin? 08:48:40 some other random stablecoin? 08:48:48 bank 08:48:59 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/hLuAlLXcyrEnrpJEpwcVZdzd 08:48:59 makes sense 08:49:19 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/VciwnFmIMdhSubJhNZeqOPFd 08:51:53 that's why tiny changes in price don't make me jump up and down 08:54:25 Dear community, I'm very sorry for doing this. Pls I need your help I'm in a cross road, my whole world is crumbling. Nothing is making sense again. My purpose of writing this is to plead for help and I'm doing this because as a community I feel you all can help me. I can't bear this cross alone again. Pls help me. 08:54:27 That's a lot of courage (or stupidity) to keep 5-figure amounts of XMR in a GUI wallet (hot wallet), on a daily use machine :D 08:54:45 unless it's a view-only wallet of course 08:55:13 davidolufemi: what happened? 08:57:48 m-relay: I'm in debt and my creditors are threatening me. I'm having suicidal thoughts already but I know there's always a solution for everything 08:58:24 how much debt? 08:58:40 sech1 this could be on a ledger or trezor 08:58:57 m-relay 148,000 naira 08:59:01 view only would say so in the top 08:59:25 are there programs where you live that will help you with your spending habits? 08:59:37 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/elEXHZdmKrDbwwmixueSkbjy 09:00:03 m-relay: no 09:01:15 that's unfortunate 09:01:24 you'll get through this though 09:03:00 "The current minimum wage in Nigeria is NGN65,000.00 per month in 2023. It became valid on September 1, 2023" 09:03:14 having suicidal thoughts over what is basically 2x the minimum wage, it's stupid 09:03:44 find a better paying job, I don't believe there is no job at all 09:04:01 ive also already told you, set up a kuno fundraiser. if anyone wants to donate its on that site 09:04:10 not in random chatrooms 09:04:24 m-relay: the minimum wage is 35,000 naira 09:04:26 btw m-relay is a bot that relays messages, not one person :) 09:04:39 i'm aaabbb, behind m-relay 09:05:21 Im still in the university, I can't get an average paying job unless I graduate 09:05:54 it's almost 0 chance someone will just send you money here. University? When I was a student I found side hustles all the time to earn money 09:06:03 there are some people who are in debt that would take decades to pay off, i think you'll be able to find a way to make money 09:06:40 It doesn't work like that here, I acquired a tech skill but I've not been practicing 09:06:45 out of curiosity i was looking at the website of the nigerian central bank 09:06:49 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/BuDjUeVakZZQiXpLvZrTGgar 09:07:09 if you have to make a PSA that funds are safu, funds are usually anything but safu lmao 09:07:38 Okay 09:07:51 lol 09:07:56 all their releases are great 09:08:00 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/yrvYbXFuFoYXibBgAKgUdozr 09:08:43 148000 might look like a big amount but it's not and it's not worth worrying about. Find any job, part-time job and pay it out little by little. Talk to creditors - if they see that you started paying out, they'll be more happy 09:08:50 Can I go ahead and create one? Will I get donations? 09:09:03 yes and no 09:09:04 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/sPndAevQwQaQOzOhHNWnMVrj 09:10:12 Donations will not fix the problem of why you got into debt in the first place 09:10:18 It's a lot money sir. It's around 98$ 09:10:21 because you'll get into debt again 09:10:36 The debt is over due 09:10:43 Only when you find a job and will be able to pay for yourself, then you will be safe from debts 09:10:57 maybe mans got into debt as a one time reason 09:11:05 like getting too drunk and running up a tab or something idk 09:11:09 I sponsor my self through school, tuition, feeding and accomodation 09:11:11 refinance it with an institution that wont harm you over it 09:11:50 I don't drink and I don't party, my grades are good too 09:12:07 It's not available here 09:12:51 why DID you get into debt 09:12:51 dats a good question 09:12:57 btw its pretty easy to make 100$ online 09:12:58 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOweupE79XXgW98QCtspuRoZZMMuypvQg&si 09:13:24 doubtful 09:13:43 @somerandomguy 09:15:59 sech1, if he can get a fake ID and KYC with some US companies he can have it within a day 09:16:46 youd be amazed by how much change can be made by sports-betting-arbitrage, gambling incentives, etc 09:16:55 there are like 4 different US gambling sites that will give you 1$ per day for just logging in 09:17:12 oh shit really? 09:17:28 its a loophole. they have to pay it out to be considered "social casinos" 09:17:46 and they don't have a requirement that you play a certain amount? 09:17:56 which circumvents a bunch of other casino laws 09:18:10 some of them do but i believe at least stake.com doesnt 09:18:46 but you can really easily wash credits into withdrawable money with the right strategy 09:19:03 btw the social casino rules are really funny 09:19:23 you can send a letter to the stake.com headquarters asking for a dollar and they have to mail you one back 09:19:44 lmao really? what countries do they do that for? 09:19:54 i believe only the US 09:20:01 aw 09:20:07 but stake also allows payouts in crypto 09:20:21 all i'd care about is a free $1/day lol 09:20:26 I don't think I can get this 09:20:40 seriously, if anyone needs a couple of dollars, check out the freeloader challenge playlist 09:20:51 most of the stuff works best in the US 09:21:00 but some things work outside as well 09:24:09 Please I need your assistance 🙏 09:24:38 try the tip monerobull gave 09:25:43 olufemi: learn2hustle 09:25:46 I can't get a fake ID 09:26:04 then do the ones that don't require a fake id 09:26:22 I have a tech skill 09:26:42 Please put me through 09:26:47 how? 09:27:19 ill just call the saudis that own stake, hold on 09:28:58 put it to use 09:30:11 I had my hope up 😔 09:31:02 sign up to fiverr or something 09:32:42 if you know python, it's very easy to earn $5 on fiverr with a 10 lines python script. 09:32:43 There are other ways of earning money, like translation, webdev, AI,... 09:32:43 But $80 is easy to get because americans have a lot of $ 09:34:44 hell, i bet he could make that much by selling local food items or banknotes or whatever on moneromarket 09:36:16 how much total is he in debt? 09:36:50 like 98 USD 09:38:13 which, to be fair, is a lot for a student in Nigeria 09:38:21 min wage is like $35 09:38:30 not per hour, $35/month 09:38:32 $35 per what 09:38:37 ok 09:38:47 so 3 months assuming no spending 09:38:53 6 months assuming 1/2 spending 09:39:07 I'm assuming he already works somewhere to pay for the university and for rent 09:39:07 It's less than this 09:39:59 Less* 09:41:07 I can't get a job that pays more than 20,000(13$) per month while in the university 09:45:01 I don't know, I always found opportunities when I was a student. Part-time jobs, doing homework for my classmates (for money) and so on 09:45:12 Please give me the benefit of the doubt. I can work for anyone here. I'll do anything. Please I'm pleading 09:45:35 I do this too 09:45:44 i'm sure there are better places to freelance than here right? 09:45:48 maybe there's a channel here for that 09:46:04 perhaps 09:46:05 uhhh 09:46:07 monero markets? 09:46:07 idk 09:47:24 wait 09:47:36 THIRTEEN DOLLARS PER MONTH? 09:47:42 HUH? 09:48:02 $13 equivalent usd 09:48:10 that's not uncommon 09:50:00 ive mentioned like 3 different ways to approach this and yet you insist on begging in this chatroom 09:50:09 I swear 09:50:28 there are other ways you can make money too 09:51:00 Please forgive me that's all I can do right now. That's how urgent it is. Hence, the suicidal thoughts 09:51:45 you don't need to kill yourself. you can make the money on a freelancing website pretty easily 09:52:01 i still believe kuno is the fastest and most likely option 09:52:27 waiting for donations in this chat is going to take longer 09:53:02 and the only realistic way i can see the chat-begging paying off is someone getting so annoyed that they give you the money to go away 09:54:30 The problem with begging and giving money to "go away", is that the next day you'll get the same 10x 09:55:03 So while many in this room can give a dollar or two, it's better to help the guy find ways to earn more money himself 09:55:36 or it will be new beggars every day here 09:58:57 I promise this will be the last time 09:59:20 but there are just better ways to make money legitimately 09:59:33 you said you have tech skills, so a freelance website is perfect for you 10:04:19 I just need to pay off this debt 10:04:41 you can 10:04:41 I'll work harder than ever 10:05:03 there are thusands of people who will pay you on freelance websites 10:05:14 I don't know how to convince you, I'm I'm tears any amount I can get now will go a long way 10:05:42 I might not get a job today if I start 10:05:54 but you might 10:05:57 Amd Fiverr is banned here 10:06:05 that's not the only freelance site 10:07:52 if youre good, you can make years worth of average nigerian pay through a single bounty https://bounties.monero.social/ 10:09:04 I'm not very good 10:09:12 what are your skills? 10:10:41 Flutter(dart) 10:11:01 im not sure what that is 10:11:02