00:21:09 <123bob123:matrix.org> Lol 00:21:31 <123bob123:matrix.org> Organic crisis 02:26:40 man oh man. all these txs make the log level 1 super spammy 02:27:00 just all "Including transaction"... 02:38:01 Is the organic growth locally grown 02:54:12 y do ppl use tor exit nodes for monero remote nodes when onion monero nodes exist 02:55:46 so im running this: https://github.com/Gingeropolous/p2r2n_defender , and im looking up IPs on the blacklist, and so far like 90% are tor exit nodes 02:58:51 shh no crisis everything is working as expected 03:20:28 not enough public .onion nodes ? 11:05:02 vik (Cake): Why there are google trackers on https://monero.com/ ? 11:08:15 <123bob123:matrix.org> Ask our resident google expert 11:29:11 i love how txstreet crashes my firefox 11:35:34 Oh.. will ask team to look 11:37:58 <123bob123:matrix.org> https://plausible.io/ 11:38:11 <123bob123:matrix.org> Alt 14:11:28 Just got another speculation lol 14:11:29 Same thinking as my yesterday one, state actor buying it 14:11:29 But instead, they do the spam so we don't see there actual TXs 14:11:30 They could have increased the amount of real TX by like 5 or 10% but all we see is spam 14:14:28 or umami.is 14:15:03 Median block size dropped from 400 to 359 kB 14:21:12 did the spam stop or slow down for a bit or what happened? 14:23:48 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/dqGQBUuQlhCmAvtJeXOftqOe 14:23:55 Yep, today it's been quite "silent" 14:24:52 Granted, blocks are like 100kb bigger so... 14:26:49 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8134 just saw this on xmrchain 14:26:55 what a wholesome conclusion 14:30:57 wow 14:30:57 >3XMR fees 14:31:21 People where really nice to him considering the pool probably already paid the miner at that point 14:32:25 it did 14:33:20 someone donated the tx fee that was lost 15:27:24 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/TcWjcyFincadqzaQJeZMVCVl 15:27:26 Oh, we mooning 15:30:38 Interesting - now we have the usual 1in-2out txes at the base fee, plus a whole bunch of 146in-2out txes at the next (!) fee level 15:30:39 the spammer got frustrated that the median block size dropped 15:30:45 Yeah, I just noticed too 15:30:55 Missed Monerotopia Episode (#157)? Check out the Price, News / Reports here! 15:30:55 Price Report: 15:30:56 Youtube: https://youtu.be/3AK7OdHyFOM 15:30:56 ODYSEE: https://odysee.com/@MoneroTalk:8/gold-breakout%2C-optimism-still-flying:4 15:30:57 News Segment: 15:30:57 Youtube: https://youtu.be/mP71m1eOVWY 15:30:58 ODYSEE: https://odysee.com/@MoneroTalk:8/monero-transaction-ath%2C-faster:b 15:34:53 146/2 consolidations at higher fee level have happened a couple of times in the past week 15:53:36 wouldnt 146/2 likely be p2pool miners sweeping? 15:53:57 not always 15:54:06 it is easy to detect p2pool sweeps 15:54:27 The one has a nonstandard fee computation, right? https://xmrchain.net/search?value=81267ba6a98f83999326084c66bb20dc5819914a2b5d3d9636cd648e4c4a119e 15:54:49 just check that all ring have at least one 0/random decoys and that theyre all non overlapping 15:54:53 1in/2out , but in the mempool for about 5 hours 15:55:51 I checked a few of them, totally confirm it's not p2p mining consolidation 15:59:42 Interesting post about Light wallets insecurities (MyMonero and Edge) 15:59:43 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/android-crypto-wallet/17196/24 16:02:46 if you run your own light wallet server you can enjoy the benefits of a light wallet without privacy loss 16:02:50 but it's not easy to setup yet 16:16:18 im not understanding, how is a light wallet different from the cli wallet pointed at a remote node? 16:16:36 because the wallet scanning is done server side and not client side 16:16:50 which means you can open your wallet after a month and don't have to do any wallet scanning on your phone 16:18:19 ah 16:20:22 sounds scary tbh 16:20:33 just open your phone wallet every few days or so 16:20:37 not really if it's your own server 16:20:45 the spend key stays on the client so your funds can't be stolen 16:22:47 just having the server open tells the world you have monero 16:23:32 you could run a local vpn and lock it behind the LAN but most people dont wanna do stuff like that 16:29:22 snex: Connecting to a node (be your wallet server or just your normal wallet) also tell your ISP (and state, if they are sharing) 16:29:23 Use decent VPN.... and/or tor/i2p! 16:30:10 running a node doesnt mean you have monero. and my node is behind my LAN 16:30:27 so any connections i make remotely would have to go through my local vpn 16:31:34 snex: It might not say that you have monero or how much you are using it, but it still say that you are somewhat involved) 16:32:05 thats why you should also run servers that emit fake traffic for other projects 16:32:13 throw them off! 18:32:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> Or use anon network? 18:38:54 your isp can tell youre using the anon network, though not what for 18:39:36 Just run the whole kitchen sink 18:39:37 Have fun finding the one you actually use for real 18:40:13 i2p should be part of the kernel network stack fite me 18:40:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> Have all different crypto nodes, but only use xmr 18:40:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> Node decoy 18:40:57 That work too 18:41:40 <123bob123:matrix.org> Or use plowsof one, so they arrest plowsof 😬 18:41:59 one thing i dont understand about monero, why isnt it possible to trace tx to private nodes by finding the first node to broadcast it 18:42:08 (ok one of the many things) 18:42:15 If you use someone else node without tor/i2p 18:42:16 They see you connect to someone else 18081/18089 therefor you are using monero ;) 18:42:34 even your own node is identifiable 18:43:42 Yeah, but they if you only connect/receive 18080 and receive 18081/9 they can see that you are involved somehow but afaik they don't know when you are txing when you use your node (if it's local and so don't connect to someone else 18081/9 18:44:19 the isp doesnt know, but it seems to me that it could be traced by the network itself if it wanted to 18:44:26 Just update the protocol so it use port 443 with selfsigned cert or something. 18:44:26 That's going to force them to use deep packet inspection 18:45:51 not everyone can run over 443 18:47:40 <123bob123:matrix.org> They found me! 18:48:06 <123bob123:matrix.org> I think vtnerd was looking at cert thing 18:49:08 in fact even if you can run over 443 but you already host a website, its going to be a minor pain in the ass to run a monero node there too 18:51:25 snex: "why isnt it possible to trace tx to private nodes by finding the first node to broadcast it" Dandelion++ is supposed to prevent this. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. 18:59:25 homie did nothing 19:03:56 Monero is top 1 searched and number 1 trending on KuCoin 19:05:51 <123bob123:matrix.org> What about google 19:05:55 what number is KuCoin 19:54:19 I wonder if it is possible to use reverse proxy (nginx for example) to have both websites and Monero node running on a 443 port given different hostnames involved? 19:54:36 this is one reason it's best not to host a private node but a public one, it increases your privacy if others are broadcasting from your node as well 19:55:30 also you shouldn't host nodes on the same box as a website, as a compromise in the latter could make the former vulnerable 19:56:09 unless you properly containerize the different services and put a reverse proxy infront of them, in which case the port 443 issue shouldnt be a problem. tho this adds complexity which is also risky 19:56:43 the point isn't in using 1 device to host all services but to route traffic for both website and Monero node via same IP:port 19:57:15 that's not really how ports work 19:57:31 this is how it works with sslh for example) 19:57:49 you could probably make it work with something like xinetd but TCP/IP is designed for one process on one port 19:58:20 yea there are hacky solutions but they raise the complexity again, and are also very niche which invariably means they're less vetted 19:58:51 bradelig - yes reverse proxy would be necessary 19:59:29 so it is possible? what I am asking is have anyone done that already and what their experience was/is 19:59:39 i havent with monero specifically but with other services 19:59:52 once you get how it works its straightforward to repeat 20:00:01 afaik monero is HTTP based but not sure 20:00:04 Yeah, reverse proxy would work 20:00:24 which is the best choice to do this these days? both server and client-side 20:00:29 the rpc service is. dont know about the other magic 20:01:01 rpc is http, p2p is not 20:01:23 RPC supports SSL 20:16:51 <123bob123:matrix.org> Yest. I used my own self sight 20:17:39 <123bob123:matrix.org> Sign* 20:44:48 Added Cryptomus and ForgingBlock https://github.com/MAGICGrants/getmonero.dev/pull/11 21:33:20 guys, you have been lying to me all along. monero was created to be AML compliant: https://twitter.com/SRIS2023/status/1767664897783947299 21:40:24 wut? dumping my bags now. 21:59:25 well 21:59:25 it is compliant 21:59:33 you can share your viewkey and keyimages if you want to 22:05:04 you can share your spend key too 22:05:19 you can also hand me your gold and ask me to promise i wont steal it 22:06:03 Sometimes I question whether people have brain cells 22:06:03 The one person trying to claim Monero wasn’t compliant makes literally no sense; even if they were mistaken and thought Monero was unviewable or was completely transparent, it still wouldn’t make sense 22:06:45 u wot 22:07:04 the fact that i can voluntarily disclose my holdings of some asset does not make that asset inherently AML compliant 22:07:38 to think that it is makes the idea incoherent, as i can do this with EVERY asset 22:07:59 Incognito? 22:08:59 so any idea where these organic growth in transaction is coming from ? 22:10:39 It was my brother; sorry guys he thought my wallet was a cookie clicker 22:11:52 so have you taken away your wallet or he is going to still do what he was doing 22:12:13 Proof of Click 22:12:36 <123bob123:matrix.org> New one 22:13:09 Introducing the brand new Ant Miner mouse (capable of up to 100MC/s) 22:13:37 seems he is owning 80% of outputs consistently from last few days 22:13:59 i hope he doesnt drop his wallet keys to public lol 22:15:31 Ngl it would be an interesting thought experiment if someone were to deposit 1XMR in a wallet and reveal the public key, and see what happens (assuming the boring move of someone just immediately taking it all and dipping out doesn’t happen) 22:16:08 thats exactly what would happen 22:21:35 they just need to drain the wallet before making keys public & transaction done during this period are fucked up lol 22:22:54 Coincards just became available in Australia, that could have given transactions a boost 22:28:43 yes millions of australians waiting to spend their xmr, pump up the transaction volume 22:32:23 I saw a video that explained how Incognito Market is currently exit scamming and trying to extort vendors and buyers. They had been a dual Bitcoin/Monero dark market. 22:36:11 yah they are doing 1/2 transactions leaving a large footprint before they merge the outputs 22:36:13 yah they are doing 1 in 2 out transactions leaving a large footprint before they merge the outputs 22:36:20 its all organic and we should chill 22:48:45 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ptQVUZyIZxGbrvzWgSgeyUQQ 22:48:47 If the "spammer" is alive, it's organic 22:51:04 Are there current recommendations for the cheapest hosting company for a dedicated public node? 22:51:59 The fees are being paid by the attacker's wallet, which is just a thing, not a person. Hah, gotcha! 22:53:40 so you think its a spammer ? 22:54:05 ovh or scaleway ? 22:54:13 Then why is Roman been found guilty? his wallet did it! 22:55:37 sorry guys, Cat feel asleep on the enter key 22:58:33 https://archive.is/Qci5M Crypto ‘Mixer’ Convicted of Money Laundering on Bitcoin Fog 22:59:10 imagine using bitcoin to buy drugs 23:01:17 There are countless crypto alternatives out there, each claiming different benefits. I personally opted for Monero due to its practical approach in becoming digital, untraceable money. However, I acknowledge the concerns raised by recent activity on the chain and its potential implications. 23:01:17 With that said, let's not rush into anything just yet. It's crucial that we gather more information before making any drastic decisions. Firstly, it's worth noting that although transaction fees may appear low, it's because transactions now take up significantly less space compared to years ago. Additionally, the attacker seems to be losing ground; otherwise, they wouldn't have al 23:01:18 lowed the median of the last 100 blocks to be recalculated so many times. 23:01:18 Secondly, the black marbles attack isn't a definitive solution to de-anonymize users. While it enhances the likelihood of educated guesses regarding spend outputs, it doesn't conclusively prove them. And most importantly, it never reveals any addresses or amounts. 23:35:25 can we make fees cheaper ? we need to use it for micro transactions of 10 cent and below 23:35:46 can we make fees cheaper ? we need to use monero for micro transactions of 10 cent and below 23:37:51 This is something i am also very interested in 23:37:52 The only "solution" i found was using a feeless coin like nano or having customers pay upfront 23:47:30 nano is not private, i want monero for my tor based 1 cent casino website 23:48:24 i can bring organic traffic that will help nodes build the blockchain and pump transaction numbers 23:48:43 i can bring organic traffic that will help nodes build the blockchain size and pump transaction numbers 23:49:06 for evey roll of dice, one monero transacation worth 1 cent 23:49:14 make it a 1 dollar casino instead problem solved 23:49:49 no i am sure monero devs and artic will agree on this, more transactions the cheaper fees should go 23:50:27 ssds are cheap everyone can go and buy 2tb drive right now 23:50:32 network is cheaper in west 23:50:45 remote areas dont need monero anyways 23:50:47 they already live in a cave 23:50:51 if you want to do microbets, best thing is to have people create custodial accounts with a few bux in them at a time 23:51:14 fees are set by the market, devs have little to no control 23:51:19 I'm waiting for the release of Samsung's 8TB SSD 23:51:23 microbets over blockchain is more accountable for our company 23:51:37 you dont need accounts 23:51:45 see monero.vegas 23:51:50 cat by the time you get 8tb ssd, 32tb ssd will be in news 23:51:58 monero.vegas doesnt allow tiny ass bets i dont think 23:52:16 or maybe it does but then you are essentially paying double as fees eat you 23:52:20 this year with the new AMD 9000 23:52:43 <123bob123:matrix.org> Whale bets only? 23:53:13 see 1 cent is not that cheap we get bread for 1 cent locally our ppl need to bet with 1 cent and sub micro cent level of fees 23:53:14 vegas does 0.01 bets i believe 23:53:37 on poker sites the smallest stakes have the largest % taken from the pot 23:53:48 for real just have temporary deposit accounts 23:53:56 our pot size is 100 cents 23:53:59 that way they can hit slot button even faster 23:54:07 its a dream for ppl to win it 23:54:36 and if ppl spend more than 1 cent of monero, they will be finically ruined 23:54:52 and if ppl spend more than 1 cent of monero fees, they will be finically ruined 23:55:06 please for gods sake, can we make transactions cheaper ? 23:55:12 I collect deposit bottles at 5 cents each 23:55:42 i pray monero goes to $10 so we can get cheaper transactions, devs will agree on this 23:55:51 there was even a "collect" command when monerobux was the bot 23:56:03 cat you must be rich, 5 breads for each bottel 23:56:19 cat you must be rich, 5 breads for each bottle 23:56:53 cat you need to donate some cents to dev fund, make fees cheaper 23:56:58 I have never missed a meal except by choice so yes I am rich 23:57:22 bruh thats not how crypto works. dev dont make fees 23:57:27 having meal every day is like eating with a silver spoon 23:57:28 do what i said or begone 23:57:55 snakes, devs have coded the fees 23:57:55 they can make it more cheaper 23:58:41 snakes we need cheaper transaction fees, how can we pay transaction fee when monero hits a million and artic is right 23:58:48 but the Chinese are rich now 23:58:53 no, they didnt code the fees 23:58:55 million dollars, i mean toilet paper dollar 23:58:58 market activity sets fees 23:59:20 99.999% are chinese are poor in debt only the ccp is rich 23:59:57 we need cheaper fees, please we dont want to pay 100$ fee with monereo going to a million dollar next year