00:00:08 devs cant change fees later 00:00:14 do you guys think there will be a run to monero when btc halves again and mining stop being profitable 00:00:16 do it now, make it cheeapeer 00:00:29 if xmr goes to $1m fees will automatically come down pipe down now 00:01:01 pedrowiski: history shows that btc loves halvenings, because reasons 00:01:08 monero has no run, no exchanges, its dead; only artic thinks we go to 100 thousand dollars and we need pico xmr tx fees 00:01:26 oh ok if its dead then code your gambling site in dogecoin 00:01:36 the wallet logic is easier anyway 00:01:47 how does it go down ? tx volume went up, price didnt ? how cna you tell if price goes up tx volume will also go up ? 00:01:58 tv volume and price are not coorelated 00:02:09 tx volume and price are not coorelated 00:02:21 people can set their desired fee when they do a tx. if monero = $1m they will set tiny fees and miners will accept it 00:03:09 explain that to artic and deevs and fix the fees right away to stop this fucking spam 00:03:12 make it fucking expensive to even transact 00:03:18 dum 00:03:30 ok snakes 00:03:38 🐍 00:04:59 When you as an individual have been reduced to a position where you must outbid a 'bank' for space in the blockchain then you have effectively lost access to the blockchain 00:09:19 big players will always have an advantage. this isnt new nor is it changeable 00:09:39 small players adapt faster. again. not new or changeable 00:09:49 this is how markets work. deal with it or move to north korea 00:21:16 monero is north korea of crypto 00:35:01 Bruh 00:35:01 I regrest asking for microtransactions 00:35:02 I'll just use deposit accounts 00:41:11 NO 00:41:19 North Korea is the Monero of countries. 03:08:33 I am having trouble getting my full balance to show after restoring a wallet on Cakewallet and synchronizing. It is only showing the most recent transaction. I have set the restore height quite early and it still doesn't show. Any suggestions? 03:16:21 you might have used a incorrect restore height 03:18:39 ive never had any luck with setting restore heights 03:19:31 snakes have bad memory 03:19:46 Lul hisss 03:20:46 It's just a single command in the setup process no? 03:21:32 ambitiouslemming: what restore height did you set? 03:53:58 7410*/8520 04:04:52 On the current go round, I went with a block height of 1. Previously I had set it around by date around 2014 and 2020. I didn't see an option to resync from the beginning, just block height or date. 04:08:06 so you set it to 1 and have let it sync for an hour or so? 04:08:20 or did you just set it to 1 and the wallet didn't start a re-scan process? 04:39:46 The wallet is currently rescanning from 1. I wouldn't expect to see transactions on it yet. 13:33:18 Hello, I am unsure if this is the right place to ask questions about the Monero currency but I am just kind of getting started on crypto and based on my research this is the most private and anonymous manner for exchanging "work" .. I wish to ask: 13:33:18 If I use a Bitcoin ATM that requires a phone number to move fiat cash to Bitcoin, and then I use an exchange to move that Bitcoin to Monero, is that Monero somehow relatable back to the phone number ? Or even that Bitcoin wallet through the exchange ? What steps might you recommend as a Monero user to move fiat cash to Monero properly or efficiently ? 13:33:19 sorry for the long post right from the start lol, and thanks extra for anyone patient enough to put up with me questions XD 13:34:12 Hello, I am unsure if this is the right place to ask questions about the Monero currency but I am just kind of getting started on crypto and based on my research this is the most private and anonymous manner for exchanging "work" .. I wish to ask: 13:34:12 If I use a Bitcoin ATM that requires a phone number to move fiat cash to Bitcoin, and then I use an exchange to move that Bitcoin to Monero, is that Monero, when spent on things, somehow relatable back to the phone number ? Or even that Bitcoin wallet through the exchange ? What steps might you recommend as a Monero user to move fiat cash to Monero properly or efficiently ? 13:34:13 sorry for the long post right from the start lol, and thanks extra for anyone patient enough to put up with me questions XD 13:34:23 Hello, I am unsure if this is the right place to ask questions about the Monero currency but I am just kind of getting started on crypto and based on my research this is the most private and anonymous manner for exchanging "work" .. I wish to ask: 13:34:23 If I use a Bitcoin ATM that requires a phone number to move fiat cash to Bitcoin, and then I use an exchange to move that Bitcoin to Monero, is that Monero somehow relatable back to the phone number ? Or even that Bitcoin wallet through the exchange ? What steps might you recommend as a Monero user to move fiat cash to Monero properly or efficiently ? 13:34:23 sorry for the long post right from the start lol, and thanks extra for anyone patient enough to put up with me questions XD 13:35:29 You may want to look into LocalMonero.co 13:36:35 woah lol, physically meeting people for Monero exchanges for cash ..? 13:37:24 Cash by mail is also an option on there. 13:37:58 ah okay thanks :) that gives me alternatives, but what about the method I proposed ..? are there flaws in the anonymity ? 13:42:14 The way they would know it's your monero, would be if you send back the monero to another exchage later and that the exchanges are talking to each other 13:42:14 If Exchange A talk to Exchange B 13:42:15 And that you return the monero to exchange B in a later date or are sending it to exchange C and that exchange B talk to exchange C, They might know 13:42:15 Because Exchange B know the real spend. If you do the operation many time, the same way, Exchange C will be able to figure it out with the help of exchange B 13:42:16 That's Eve-Alive-Eve kind of attack. 13:42:16 On the other hand, if you use monero as it was intented and you keep it in your wallet and just spend it there and there, that risk go away (assuming you don't always spend it at the same place and that place always send it to Exchange B or C (Eve-Alice-Bob-Eve attack) 13:43:39 Always consider CEX as Eve, all of them 13:43:39 You want to keep some other name between the two Eve. 13:43:40 You can also churn (many way to do it, no conclusive research of how to do it the best) 13:45:46 I see, so two Monero wallets would assist me here then ..? one for money coming in from BTC and spending in Monero ( which is my main goal ) .. and another Monero wallet for transfers going out to CEXs ? sorry I might be way off here lol 13:46:22 you don't need two wallet, you can send the output to yourself (the same wallet) 13:48:24 If you want to use the churn route, I really recommend a wallet that have proper "coin control" like Feather wallet. That one keep a list of the output you receive, if you always get your monero on a fresh sub address (Feather default too), then you will see what output are not churned (because it won't say "change") 13:49:31 hmm okay, so I want a wallet with a default mixing then .. I currently use Cake Wallet, is that any good for anonymity with Monero ? 13:52:54 so from what I am trying to understand is this perhaps; what happens in Monero stays in Monero ..? Lol .. however moving money in and out of a Monero wallet to CEXs to either fiat or crypto is certainly visible ..? however these CEXs and other corps will not know what's being purchased within that Monero Wallet since that's Monero's nature/protocol ? - this is the part I find most 13:52:55 confusing, where KYC ends and Anonymity starts with Monero CEXs 13:53:11 Well, Cake is good, but it does not have coin control afaik. 13:53:11 So you can't churn individual output and have to churn the whole balance (Personally I do prefer churning individual output (especially since the march 6....) 13:53:12 I would not do "whole wallet churn", especially right now, personally. 13:53:12 You don't need to churn if you use monero as it was intended (don't just send it back to exchange without even spending any) except if you have a really high treat model. 13:53:40 wait... 13:54:41 http://youtu.be/watch?v=iABIcsDJKyM 13:54:54 That episode of breaking monero explain it 13:55:13 As long as you use monero as it was intended you will be fine. 13:56:38 "as it was intended" as in not just money laundering a shit ton of BTC through it, but actually directly spending Monero like a normal currency ..? 13:58:32 Yeah, spending monero like it as a money... 13:58:32 If you just CEX -> XMR -> Another CEX, just to launder and these two CEX talk to each other, they will be able to eventually make it out (the more often you do it the more certainty they get) 14:01:06 ahh okay cool so I am somewhat following lol, yea my intention is to genuinely enjoy and use this awesome crypto, not fill the blockchain with a crap ton of useless CEXs lol .. so it almost doesn't matter if the Monero came straight from something as KYC as a eTransfer ? once in Monero; the spending is anonymous yea ? ( for all those listening I am noob lol, this are questions not answers XD ) 14:02:16 Yes 14:02:48 ButI would still prefer cash by mail or bank deposit with real people than CEX! 14:02:51 okay awesome ! I really appreciate the clarity so thank you RavFX 14:03:03 Localmonero... and soon™️ Haveno 14:04:09 Can also use Bisq, then once you got the BTC, you swap it for XMT in the same platform 14:04:16 Can also use Bisq, then once you got the BTC, you swap it for XMR in the same platform 14:04:51 bookmarked lol .. I will likely aim for Bitcoin ATM to BTC then CEX to Monero for my own threat model .. however I can't see any real reason not to use that with a higher threat model 🤷 I am likely missing something lol 14:05:19 If you go to a CEX, use one that does not require KYC 14:05:24 I am bookmarking all of these lol, thanks 14:05:28 Like Tradeogre or MEXC 14:08:01 the bitcoin atms require a phone number for authentication .. that is kinda KYC but indirect, I figured that should be "ok" for my threat model .. but could be traced back to my BTC wallet ( however not the Monero purchases, which is the part I was aiming for ) 14:08:32 Yeah, should be fine 14:09:09 much appreciated btw :) 15:08:50 #FreeOfrnxmr 16:54:23 Happy Birthday Mordinals! Almost exactly one year ago we received the news that the first "mordinals", basically NFTs, were minted on the Monero blockchain: https://twitter.com/m0rdinals/status/1634681214798815235 16:59:38 what exactly makes it a mordinal? 17:00:12 Well, Bitcoin had / has "ordinals", and with the "m" from "Monero" you get "mordinals" 17:00:32 but what makes it one? what prevents future TX from reusing the same data? 17:00:48 Nothing of course, it's mostly smoke and mirrors 17:01:08 Well, it was. Because they are basically dead now. 17:01:53 what kind of txpool size did we have with mordinals? i don't remember if it also caused full blocks 17:02:34 maybe im wrong about bitcoin ordinals working this way, but im pretty sure to count as an NFT it needs to be unique and tradeable 17:02:50 Yeah, I think so. Still modest number of transactions overall, but most of them with tx_extra that were big 17:04:33 There is a somewhat special transaction type implemented in the CLI wallet that comes with the Mordinals "fork", for transfer 17:04:50 Never looked at the details however 17:07:05 I think I ditched my morbinal wallet. 17:07:05 Or well, I won't be able to sell my pretty unique collection 😂 17:13:24 selsta: If you go to bitinfocharts and select "Average block size" down left, there is a peak 1 year ago: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-xmr.html#3y 17:41:13 You never thought about the risks of using bank deposit to someone else account? 17:41:30 You never know what they do with the money 17:42:03 You mean, going to a random convenient store and giving the cash to the cashier and tell im where to deposit it? 17:42:52 I don't live in nato land, I can really deposit in most bank account from a random store, using cash. No id p0rn required 17:50:38 banks are not your friend in any country 17:52:12 I know snex, I don't even have a bank account 17:52:12 I just dump into other people accounts. Not my problem. 17:58:33 no bank account ..? :O So like, you must get paid in crypto or cash and then store it locally somewhere ? 🤔 17:59:08 work construction for cash? 17:59:20 or work in a kitchen or restaurant 17:59:33 a lot of people would prefer to pay cash if they can avoid taxes 17:59:50 Monero is my unit of account 17:59:50 So it's all in the Nero (and whatever else I long/short) 18:00:57 uncle_rae, that's possible for lower profile, and consequently lower income jobs, but for higher profile accounts I could see getting a large corp on board would be difficult 18:01:21 well, they pay in shares 18:01:24 And I do code for xmr. 18:01:24 No xmr? no code! Easy 18:01:31 that's their way of getting around that 18:02:06 Most local only use cash anyway. 18:02:06 Most place don't accept scams like credit cards 18:02:46 wow lol, that's sick .. however I would be interesting in someone attempting to purchase a home or new vehicle with crypto and no credit checks XD 18:03:02 there's always someone who will sell for cash 18:03:05 for a discount 18:03:13 ive seen vehicles for sale on moneromarket.io 18:03:20 New vehicles are a scam 18:03:39 Just sell monero to some random in exchange for an ATM code 18:03:40 Go to random atm, choose "Withdraw without card" and type the code... Money flow 18:03:40 Then you buy the nice used car you wanted to buy 18:04:00 i always buy used 18:04:27 Same for me. 18:04:28 Especially cars, there nothing that deprecate more than that I think lol 18:04:56 what about houses ? properties ? 18:04:57 right 18:05:03 used too :) 18:05:11 i've never purchased a new build 18:05:33 what would be the point? 18:05:39 unless you're saying self build 18:05:46 or hire your own contractors 18:05:48 even registering a vehicle for the road requires some fees, no ? 18:05:49 that's different 18:05:57 Ask the local to build your house, give them cash, they love cash anyway 18:05:57 I don't live in the "first world"... It's not like it's more than 20K to build a new house 18:06:16 register to a business 18:06:19 Can probably get away with 10K 18:06:20 your vehicle 18:06:52 You pay for all that shit with cash at a random convenient store 18:06:52 You even pay your taxes that way 18:06:55 what size house would that be? 18:07:21 a 2 or 3 floors thing, made mostly out of concrete and metal 18:07:22 and what kind of materials are we talking about? 18:07:30 really? o_0 18:07:39 which country is this and how much is a bag of cement there? 18:07:42 Lol I am 1st world .. perhaps that is where the misunderstanding is 18:07:50 i have lived in both 18:07:54 currently in the third world 18:08:02 you can't build anything you'd want to live in for 10k 18:08:07 not here 18:08:25 If your lucky you can rent Taj mahal sized house for like 150$ a month 18:08:32 bruh 18:08:34 that's cap 18:08:42 you can barely buy a decent shed where I leave for 10k USD here 18:09:04 you can barely buy a decent shed where I live for 10k USD 18:09:11 I've heard of 500$ villas with pools in Thailand but 150$ is like civil war shit hole lebel 18:09:24 I've heard of 500$ villas with pools in Thailand but 150$ is like civil war shit hole level 18:09:25 Like one time I got like a 20 rooms+ way too big thing for that 150k but it was in city center and I decided I wanted to move out of big city lol 18:09:31 Like one time I got like a 20 rooms+ way too big thing for that 150 but it was in city center and I decided I wanted to move out of big city lol 18:09:36 500 usd a month is about standard for a decent place in most places outside of the 1st world 18:09:49 it won't get you a "villa" unless you decide to go out into the bush somewher 18:09:51 e 18:10:07 500$ is the price you pay yeah, in tourist cities 18:10:23 two bedroom apartment where I live is like 1.6k USD 18:10:24 shit hole house is 75$ a month 18:10:37 two bedroom apartment where I live is like 1.6k USD / month 18:10:47 lol, imajin living in a flat when a house is less than 200$ a month 18:11:40 Imagine paying 200$ a month when living with your parents is free /s 18:12:33 naa, just the price of food in there "first world" scam country there would make it way more expensive 18:13:01 ...or 1 bhat. 18:13:14 first world is a scam ..? 😕 18:13:16 And I would not be able to live mosty of the scam system 18:13:16 Try living without a bank accout for example, in Canada or USA or most EU country 18:13:25 1st world is definitely a scam 18:13:46 Or even without credit 18:14:00 can anyone here shed some light on whats going on with XMR transactions? i have two sent to me that has never arrived and 1 that I sent that was rejected. 18:15:31 you did something wrong 18:16:30 Send with "normal" fee, not automatic or slow 18:16:38 [ might be a can of worms but here goes ] What makes you guys think the 1st world is a scam, just out of curiosity .. they must be 1st for a reason, no ? 18:17:00 Well 18:17:30 For one: Germany has a Ponzi scheme for a retirement system 18:17:53 the entire financial system is a ponzi scheme 18:18:00 Yeah, they are #1 mostly by exploiting the majority world 18:18:00 And the state is there to scam you hard, same on a lot of country, you are forced to pay in that retirement plan and there account are already negative lol. 18:18:00 And everything is way more expensive 18:18:36 ok will try again ...thanks 18:18:59 Some wallets got updates too, might be a good idea to check if it's available for yours 18:19:34 there's just a level of dishonesty in the 1st world that i find terrifying - what makes it worse is that people are stupid enough to believe the lies 18:19:46 at least in the developing world there's a healthy skepticism 18:19:58 In Germany you need to become 95 to even get back what you directly paid into the Ponzi, this doesn't account for the 35% of taxes that go into the Ponzi as well and will rise to 50% in the next few zears 18:20:16 In Germany you need to become 95 to even get back what you directly paid into the Ponzi, this doesn't account for the 35% of taxes that go into the Ponzi as well and will rise to 50% in the next few years 18:20:58 what countries are we comparing really ..? Like I can't see any sense in living in China compared to say Sweden or Netherlands lol 18:21:03 well, yes, when they set up these social security/pension schemes they were designed so that the common laborer would not get that money 18:21:10 i do not like sweden one bit 18:21:22 and i have real problems with crappy weather 18:21:42 Yeah, it's why they are moving the retirement age back 18:21:43 People use to live less long... 18:22:11 Isn't Sweden the leading country for data privacy on the planet right now lol 18:22:26 they are? 18:22:29 who measured that 18:22:32 Id Say Latin America vs Canada / EU 18:22:33 Canada totally became shit since I left (I did anticipate that fortunately) 18:22:35 what was their criteria? 18:22:47 I just don't trust any of the metric about that lol 18:22:51 i like vancouver but couldn't live there 18:23:23 and it has definitely gotten worse over the past 15 years whilst somehow becoming more expensive 18:23:27 such paradox 18:23:50 They have really nice looking place but the price to pay is too high except if have money to waste or maybe if you are not a slave (if you don't have to work and give half to the ponzi) 18:24:32 or if you are trying hide/launder money 18:24:47 which is what much of these new construction projects come down to 18:24:52 I use to have a 3 room flat for 550$ a months 18:24:52 in 10 years it upgraded to 1500$ a month 18:24:53 That was on the east side of canada 18:25:03 montreal? 18:25:44 Have fun guessing exact location :) 18:26:17 Toronto then 18:26:31 just name them all :D 18:29:20 mullvad is based in Sweden 👍️ 18:31:14 they have no logging requirements for VPNs in Sweden and the gov is legally not permitted to force VPNs to log users 18:32:29 >gov is legally not permitted to force VPNs to log users 18:32:29 Sure... 18:32:42 They all say that until they do 18:32:57 and when they do they don't say 18:33:35 and many of there vpn exit point (most) are not in sweden, what about theses 18:34:36 right, the swedish authorities will touch their toes for uncle sam on request 18:34:39 don't be so naive 18:35:13