00:06:45 <m-relay> <s​tarlord:starlord.zip> Examples?
02:02:04 <m-relay> <a​potheon:matrix.org> crispycat: The number of federal laws on the books is insane, and many of the laws themselves are insane.
02:02:16 <m-relay> <a​potheon:matrix.org> In some cases, laws actually conflict with each other.
04:02:41 <m-relay> <l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Yep see Elon Musk Space X
04:03:45 <m-relay> <l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Getting sued for not hiring immigrants but at the same time there's a law that doesn't allow him to hire non-americans due missiles ITAR technology
04:04:13 <m-relay> <l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Damned if you do, damned if you don't
04:28:08 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Socialism 101. They know no concept of personal property. Not even on their own bodies (mandatory vaccine, mandatory happy pill, slavery).
04:31:35 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> But it is physics. We have lived 100 years above our means with inflationary money and now comes the age of deflationary money. Now the saver is being rewarded. Even if you don't play along, you will be enslaved with CBDC and have to live below your means. Everything is frequencies. 100 years high 100 years low.
04:32:54 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Be aware that you must place the protection of property in your own hands.
04:37:46 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> In 100 years, 2140, it will turn around again. Then there will no longer be any reward for Bitcoin and the incentive to keep the network stable will be zero. The exit scam. But Bitcoin will attract all capital like a black hole in the next few years.
04:38:24 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> That's why my recommendation is 2/3 Bitcoin and 1/3 Monero.
04:38:45 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Privacy becomes a luxury good .
04:50:57 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Sorry - these are all just thoughts. Thrown out here somewhat without reflection.
05:02:11 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> https://gazetalibertaria.news/allan-dos-santos-cria-conta-no-onlyfans-e-desafia-moraes-a-derruba-la/
06:07:45 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> The incentive will be *pretty much* zero long before that
06:17:25 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Most likely. But it is similar with the fiat money. Fiat money can go on much longer, but people start to see the scam and opt out.
06:21:58 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> No, I mean literally. It's a mathematical certainty. It's a direct consequence of their emission curve. The necessary condition for BTC to sustain its current mining incentive is that people start paying massive fees (>30-50$ for a small tx, assuming they can keep the blocks full, more otherwise)
06:22:25 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> And that's 20-30 years from now
06:23:42 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Fairer point. Is reasonable.
08:02:03 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> https://github.com/d4ndox/mnp
08:02:17 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> The first release to play around.
08:02:44 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> The project started 3 years ago with the aim of programming a wallet for the shell and quickly failed in reality. After a long break, it has now shrunk down to a minimalist "suck less" payment processor.
08:20:11 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> This was the initial idea. Published as a hidden service at the time. http://mnp4i54qnixz336alilggo4zkxgf35oj7kodkli2as4q6gpvvy5lxrad.onion/
08:36:29 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> I don't know if some people here work with Linux, but the Unix principle is based on treating everything as a file. The hard disc is a file /dev/sdd, most interfaces are files. With strings as the universal interface. mnp offers the possibility to read a Monero wallet with the command line tools of a bash shell.  Another principle is "Do one thing, but do it well"
08:39:02 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Then the output of one programme can serve as the input of the other programme with pipes.
08:41:39 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> Yes, you are talking about FIFO's
08:41:58 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> the named pipes are a special type of files with no contents
08:42:25 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> in a bash script you can just mkfifo mypipe
08:42:40 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Correct
08:42:59 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> and then use it like
08:43:00 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> cat /a/file | mypipe
08:51:26 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> You pretty much create a payment "echo $mypayment | mnp-payment --amount 50000" and then read the file with "cat /tmp/mywallet/$mypamentid
08:51:40 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> Sorry, for the example above it should be:
08:51:41 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> cat /a/file > mypipe
08:51:41 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> using '>' as redirection operator 
08:51:42 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> ---
08:51:42 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> -> Use | when you want to use the output of one command as the input of another command.
08:51:43 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> -> Use > when you want to redirect the output of a command into a file (everything is a file lol)
08:52:02 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> True.
08:52:32 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> You could use echo "Hello World" > mypipe
08:52:46 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> Haha, true
09:00:54 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> This must be nice for the CLI people, I've never seen something similar before anyways
09:05:20 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> Yes, that's the reason. Use the possibilities of the shell to achieve your goals. If you want to quickly generate a QR-code with a new subaddress, you can pipe it directly to qrencode.
09:05:36 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> mnp-payment --newaddr | qrencode -tUTF8
09:05:39 <m-relay> <s​darioz:matrix.org> Neat.
10:25:49 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> How can you possibly speak about what will happen 100 years from now? For all we know crypto as we know it might not exist due to quantum computing
10:27:05 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Never argue with Bitcoiners. You need to understand we are polar opposites. Bitcoin goes up and Monero goes down forever. Why would a Bitcoiner switch?
10:30:23 <plowsof> lol xmr dot se again 
10:31:11 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Has the community workgroup blocked xmr.se?
10:31:30 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> It does not allow me to join
10:33:09 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> dont
10:33:14 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> stay rich
10:33:17 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i want to stay poor
10:34:01 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Delusional
10:34:42 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> What you fail to understand is that price preservers Monero's privacy. If the price continues to decline, you can kiss goodbye the CCS contributions
10:34:53 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> What you fail to understand is that price preserves Monero's privacy. If the price continues to decline, you can kiss goodbye the CCS contributions
10:35:41 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> No one develops for free and you can sure as hell bet people will leave if the price does not stay stable
10:38:09 <plowsof> Ok 
10:40:02 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> I like you plowsof
10:40:17 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Please stay the way you are and do not become as tyrannical as the Bitcoin mods
10:47:18 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> im sure some traders have made some sweet coin recently. hopefully they have some coin to spare for donations. maybe i will next bull run. doh. damn idealism.
10:47:58 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> or wait a sec...maybe you can just literally make a sweet coin and get people to buy it.
10:48:05 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> profit
10:48:43 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Where can someone buy a sweet coin like Monero?
10:49:36 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Oh yes, mail loads of cash to some rando and hope you get your fancy privacy coins
10:51:25 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> XD. Yeah, those were just a few thoughts that popped into my head this morning. Aren't there already quantum computing secure crypto hashes?
10:53:04 <m-relay> <p​cre:matrix.org> XD. Yeah, those were just a few thoughts that popped into my head this morning. Aren't there already quantum computing secure crypto hashes?
10:53:21 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> There are but Monero only implements "battle-tested" cryptography so by the time quantum computers come about Monero has probably just switched to using zk-SNARKS
11:01:50 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> apparently it works according to the lm feedback
11:02:43 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> you rather send fiat to a rando account which you dont know is the true owner and get your coins that way?
11:03:30 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> I rather send my coins to a regulated, trustworthy exchange that operates as a public company
11:03:41 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Not some criminal at the back of an alleyway
11:04:25 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> P2P exchange is nothing new and Bitcoin was the first to adopt it. Unlike Monero, they moved past ancient methods of exchange
11:06:28 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> You mean filthy criminals like edward snowden, illegal homosexuals and ukrainian supporters in russia ?
11:06:44 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> (I know, i'm trolling)
11:09:17 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Monero is doing so well Bitfinex, the biggest fraud of them all, has found a new friend:
11:09:18 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> https://blog.bitfinex.com/education/the-fortunes-of-monero/
11:11:12 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> buy bitcoin then monero. and dont complain about the capital gain/complex tax situation
11:11:50 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Hilarious. To get Monero I must now buy a pet rock and go through some hoops?
11:12:02 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> if bitcoin is digital property. how long till bitcoin land taxes.
11:12:04 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> and?
11:12:49 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> sounds like some tyranny would help make this room a bit sane.
11:13:07 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Taxes are not an issue. They fund public infrastructure. Why is your thick skull against governments? They help us and without a government we would be living in a hellscape anarchy
11:14:24 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Criminal behavior is to be expected from Monero folks
11:18:27 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> 😂
11:19:05 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> @plowsof:matrix.org Why did you mute me?
11:19:39 <m-relay> <b​oobytrap:matrix.org> hi guys
11:19:43 <m-relay> <b​oobytrap:matrix.org> what is the best wallet for monero?
11:20:05 <plowsof> Why would i mute you 
11:20:36 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> on what platform?
11:20:52 <m-relay> <b​oobytrap:matrix.org> im using arch
11:21:27 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://featherwallet.org/download/
11:22:41 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> My fault, you did not mute me
11:22:45 <m-relay> <m​odul8:matrix.org> Bitcoin going to zero. Why would I want to pay a holding fee when just holding.
11:22:46 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Sorry plowsof
11:23:20 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Why do you keep mentioning Bitcoin? It is no better than Monero
11:24:38 <m-relay> <b​oobytrap:matrix.org> is this a fork of the electrum wallet? looks similar
11:28:07 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> inspired
11:33:06 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Were any of you here once a fan of Bitcoin? Or did you always know Monero was better?
11:44:17 <m-relay> <b​izonacci:xmr.se> Where is ofrn?
12:18:28 <m-relay> <n​accibiz:matrix.org> I wish
12:18:52 <m-relay> <n​accibiz:matrix.org> Bitcoin popping is the final test for Monero. If it can survive that, this coin is unstoppable
12:20:26 <m-relay> <n​accibiz:matrix.org> Bitcoin will pop if USDT collapses, although this may never happen, we will see
12:21:08 <m-relay> <n​accibiz:matrix.org> Enough Bitcoin talk. I myself am getting sick of it and I am supposed to be the troll here
12:31:43 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1768267851926790558
12:47:47 <Inge> RIP CipherTrace
12:54:06 <sech1> Good riddance
12:56:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Chainanalysis next
12:59:45 <m-relay> <a​ndrewjackson:matrix.org> First Bitcoin I bought was from some random on IRC, get use to it
13:02:18 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think most were Bitcoiners either directly or indirectly.
13:02:18 <m-relay> <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I mean after all Bitcoin probably is how most people get exposed to cryptocurrency in general.
13:09:13 <sech1> I started from Monero, straight away
13:09:17 <sech1> Because it was CPU mineable
13:09:24 <sech1> and still is
13:11:39 <Inge> always will be
13:36:01 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://discuss.techlore.tech/t/what-more-could-kraken-possibly-want-from-me/5910 Kraken KYC 😬
14:05:38 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> On/off ramp is single point of failure
14:05:38 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I don't include Bisq here because you have to pay the bitcoin scamfees to endup getting your monero from fiat (or the opposite)
14:05:39 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Wen Haveno?
14:07:09 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Localmonero is the only one that do it right? And there censoring the Russias since over a year so I assume it's because they can be touched and so anything can append to them in the long term.
14:07:12 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Localmonero is the only one that do it right? And there censoring the Russians since over a year so I assume it's because they can be touched and so anything can append to them in the long term.
14:09:11 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno is a matter of weeks
14:11:06 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Localmonero doesn't work at russia, right?
14:12:08 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> exactly, they banned Russia (and maybe other countries I did not test)
14:12:24 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And Localmonero is not decentralized, it's why we need Haveno to open last year
14:17:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Also Cakepay
14:20:39 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> vik (Cake): what countries are restricted from using CakePay?
14:20:54 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> literally can't find that info anywhere
14:28:21 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> That's also not centralized
14:28:21 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Does not work with all countries, I just confirm
14:28:21 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And when it work I also confirm that you have to be in the debt system (you can only pay with credit cards)
14:28:25 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> meaning : no
14:28:52 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/HliPztcNMYdfcEPHIPPDFTEl
14:29:42 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> for country that don't work, when you select the currency and put your payout address then press ok, the thing just reload with the same info, kind of a loop
14:30:56 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/TeVcoKDGNxxJXkoNuwCLQlzD
14:30:57 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Some country seam to use other local unknow form of payment
14:31:39 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/JLVpdNUjXtNXKPRymqfAwQzn
14:31:57 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Oh, and they also obey the bullies
14:33:18 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Not all currencies / country are in the list
14:33:29 <m-relay> <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> so less option than current localmonero
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15:36:35 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Lol, I got banned for "death threads" on the off-topic channel. What a joke. Siren gfy
15:37:40 <snex> monero chat should move to i2p
15:38:14 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Lol, I got banned for "death threats" on the off-topic channel. What a joke. Siren gfy
15:38:15 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I wish her the worse of deaths, I didn't say I would kill her.
15:38:21 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Fuck that stupid witch.
15:38:22 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I wish her the worst of deaths, I didn't say I would kill her.
15:38:31 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> snex 💯
15:40:04 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> This is a commie project, everybody. Monero is dead.
15:40:11 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Lol crazy
15:43:44 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i mean "have a nice weekend" could have been a better choice of words
15:43:56 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Very bitchy of you to report me. Also fuck the mods.
15:43:59 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Also: die, witch.
15:44:06 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> #resolutions:monero.social elaryan
15:44:11 <snex> lol
15:44:17 <snex> this aint helping bruh
15:44:26 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Not for this stupid cunt.
15:45:00 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> If I wish it enough maybe I do kill her and the ban is justified.
15:45:02 <m-relay> <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I'm just trying to make it just.
15:46:29 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> looks like a standard issue clean up on isle 5 / death threat to me, off to pack the mop
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21:02:02 <agent3142> whats happening with monero
21:02:04 <agent3142> ?
21:02:21 <agent3142> my wallet has been syncing for like hours already
21:03:57 <snex> a block gets mined every 2 minutes. same as always
21:05:05 <agent3142> why are people on /r/monero talking abot attack?
21:05:46 <snex> people still use reddit?
21:07:26 <agent3142> looking at logs i started at 10:58, now it's 14:07 and i still only have maybe only gotten 2/3 of the block
21:07:36 <agent3142> :s/block/blocks/g
21:08:08 <agent3142> i kinda want to switch to remote but i'm afraid i'll lose the 3 hours of progress
21:08:38 <snex> are you on SSD?
21:09:23 <agent3142> oh btw, it seems like i've gotten the blockchain dloaded already just jugding by the size of monero folder, also Fluorine Fermi on Kali 2024.1
21:09:33 <agent3142> snex: SATA SSD
21:10:18 <agent3142> i'm behind a VPN but i've always been behind VPNs
21:10:34 <snex> jus b patient
21:11:00 <agent3142> snex: yeah i suppose i'm in no hurry
21:28:52 <agent3142> yeah i switched to remote node 
21:29:19 <agent3142> i'll just leave local node overnight or something, maybe it had a problem with local blockchain and had to redownload everything
21:29:46 <agent3142> so far remote node is going very fast let's see how fast it'll be done
21:33:33 <m-relay> <w​olffbolt:matrix.org> youtu.be/S4iMjJKbg4w
21:41:45 <agent3142> YEP ALREADY AM IN
21:41:51 <agent3142> i mean *yep already am in
21:42:14 <snex> make sure you tell us every command you type
21:42:19 <snex> and your seed phrase
21:42:23 <snex> we need all progress
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