01:20:32 anhdres is a scammer 01:20:43 hasn't done anything for his ccs monero garden yet scammer like everyone here 01:22:34 no organic growth. btc is where the organic growth is 01:25:25 https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-xmr.html#alltime 01:25:31 hahahah xmr shitty transaction count compared to btc 01:25:50 even with spam attack transaction count is dead 02:42:45 m-relay: XMR is the only crypto apart from stable coins that kept its market value almost always stable since the end of the bull run of May 2021. 03:00:09 Not gonna lie, I kind of wish it wouldn't. 03:07:41 I actually prefer it that way. It keeps the speculators away, and has a better chance of getting adopted as an actual internet currency rather than as a "get rich quick" scheme. 03:09:27 I want to use Monero to pay for goods and services, or to donate to people I like, not to be concerned about how much it is in fiat currencies all the time. 03:10:57 For the latter case, we already have Bitcoin. 03:15:03 There more people than ever on the comit thing 03:15:03 6 makers in UnstoppableSwap 03:15:03 I think it's a high time high 05:15:43 Hello everyone. I'm AmericanScream, an anti-crypto evangelist who maintains the subreddit r/CryptoReality and regularly moderates r/Buttcoin. Can anyone spare some time to answer my questions in DM that I have regarding Monero? 05:18:44 Screenshot from 2024-03-20 05-18-09.png 05:24:44 I would DM, but I'm not on Matrix. 05:26:30 I came here to ask about the GUI wallet, but I ended up liking the CLI wallet much more. 05:26:45 So I just stick to the CLI wallet. 05:27:13 The GUI wallet is so slow. 06:41:41 AmericanScream thats a https://nohello.net, better just ask your questions here 06:46:20 He probably wants to roast all of us with his questions and claim how none of us couldn't answer them in his YouTube video, without having to show any chat logs to back up his claims. 06:46:24 Seen it before. 06:47:35 Don't worry guys, he a reddit mod 06:47:41 His opinion doesnt matter 06:48:04 True. 06:54:10 https://mastodon.social/@AmericanScream Choses Mastodon.social out of all instances, has Discord chatroom, Reddit mod, confusing "app" for "program" or "application", "40+ years experience in software engineering" while being suspiciously active on social media, typical American boomer dedicating his entire life into SJW'ing about a specific technology... Doesn't really make a legit case. 07:16:20 Read some of his "debooking" on Reddit, sounds very akin to what every single one of those so-called "anarcho-communists" (let's just call them "communists with a bit more digital literacy" to make it less misleading) would say. And yes, they all say identical things, many of which are very pro-New World Order, pro-Bill Gates, pro-Klaus Schwab, pro-veganism, pro-totalitarianism, pro-censorship, 07:16:22 anti-freedom, pro-climatism, and all the rest of the stuff you expect from your average NPC. So yeah, credibility is completely gone, AmericanScream. 07:19:25 @americanscream ARE YOU CODING, SON? 07:20:50 Good lord, HTML in a message. 07:50:28 Post here americanscream 07:56:56 Why all the negativity? The primary reason why I wanted to discuss via DM is because I've attempted discussing with Bitcoiners before and it didn't end well as the arguments degraded into name-calling. I prefer one-to-one conversations as discussions remain cool. 07:58:27 @remiliascarlet:matrix.org is attacking my character and I haven't said a thing yet... 07:59:21 I'm not attacking, I'm doing proper research into you, and found your motive based on that. 08:00:03 And then call it all out. 08:00:57 It's what you get if you come into a community with the purpose of picking a fight. 08:01:17 It's a bit weird having 40+ years of experience in software engineering and wanting to DM people to ask questions. You should be an expert at using a search engine and finding out the information you need from docs and QAs online, no? 08:02:02 If it's a highly technical question, you should ask here in the group. 08:02:23 I've already done my research, but I needed testimonials for one of my new documentaries I'm working on. 08:03:06 Then why would it be so hard to ask your questions in public? 08:03:22 If those questions and answers are supposed to be public anyway? 08:05:32 Anyways I've already initiated some discussions via DM and they're going well. I'm not going to bother posting my questions here as the hostility already shows most of your criminal motives! 08:05:53 damn, those pesky criminals are everywhere 08:05:54 Now you're the one attacking us. 08:06:42 "MUH CRIMINALS!" 08:06:46 Even I did a crime of jaywalking yesterday 08:06:49 no one is safe 08:07:03 I thought you redditors believe in "Be Gay, Do Crime" 08:10:14 We all know why he wants "DM in private". So that he can edit out incovenient answers for his "documentary" 08:10:48 Just like what I said at the beginning, yes. 08:11:20 If you promise not to attack my character again and again, I may post my questions here. 08:11:31 Seen enough "totally neutral and completely unbiased" interviewers do this. 08:11:51 >wants a private DM yet hates on privacy 08:11:55 Curious! 08:12:11 Privacy for me but not for thee 08:12:33 As I said, I did not attack you, so I don't have any obligation to promise anything. 08:17:55 Besides, while I look into who you are and comment on it is considered "attacking", then why are all your "deboonking" efforts all over social media not considered "attacking"? Hypocracy much? 08:22:24 *Sigh*. I'll test you folks with one question I've been discussing in my DMs. 08:22:25 Monero is not anonymous. Yes, the blockchain itself is most of the time (I've watched Breaking Monero and know about the edge case scenarios), but the bridge between fiat to/from Monero undermines the anonymity, making the coin useless. Unless you're a criminal, fiat is always a superior option to using Monero. Want to buy from your local grocer? Use fiat. Even the argument of usi 08:22:25 ng Monero for drugs is better done with fiat than Monero. Monero is best for cybercriminals and that's it. 08:22:26 One common counterargument I get is that Monero will save people from tyrannical governments. This is utter nonsense as fiat can also do the same, it also presents the common trope of crypto attempting to solve a non-existent problem. Bitcoin tries to be a store of value. Ethereum tries to be an alternative to the current financial system, the future of finance. Monero tries to be 08:22:26 anonymous. All these solutions are hogwash compared to existing ones. 08:22:38 "IVE DONE MUH OWN RESEARCH" Uh oh, looks like we've got a crazy conspiracy theorist here! 08:22:45 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/JVAevYrXpuUEiMvJIMMYmbdr 08:24:41 Want anonymous fiat to/from Monero bridge, look at LocalMonero 08:25:01 I don’t see a question here at all 08:25:51 I'm wasting my time here aren't I? 08:25:56 Also, being anonymous when dealing with fiat is out of scope for Monero. Monero exists in digital world, not real world 08:26:03 AmericanScream, nice that you quoted a fear monger video who lives in your echo chamber, but where is the question? 08:26:12 One has to exercise good opsec in addition to using Monero 08:26:30 So you want to send DM's to find answers, or to lecture us? 08:26:51 LocalMonero is not anonymous. Counterparty risks are still involved and this is why some criminals are scared of law enforcement creating buy/sell orders to catch them. 08:27:12 LocalMonero is as anonymous as your counterparty there 08:27:21 there are many independent sellers/buyers there 08:27:23 choose wisely 08:28:01 Why use Monero at all unless you're a cybercriminal? Fiat also has counterparty risk, but it's arguably better compared to Monero. 08:28:05 If you would have replaced "fiat" with "cash", you'd have a better point. "Fiat" includes all the digital options like cards, *Pay, and so on. 08:28:07 again, it's out of scope. Dealing with fiat is about your general opsec, not about you using Monero 08:28:44 @remiliascarlet:matrix.org There's my question. Stop avoiding it. 08:29:01 You're the one avoiding my questions. 08:29:07 I didn't see many question signs "?" in that message 08:29:18 More like a rant that "fiat will get you busted" 08:29:22 As I guessed this is a waste of time. I'm going back to DMs. 08:29:32 Your "question" reads more like a lecture than a question. 08:29:34 I agree. This is a waste of time. Please consider getting a real hobby instead of letting "le evil crypto" live rent free in your head 08:29:38 Sweet and cose DMs which you can edit to your liking :D 08:29:40 *cosy 08:29:50 americanscream: what do you hope to achieve? 08:30:08 Maybe the bridge dropped a message because I don’t see anything from Remiliascarlet before this message 08:30:16 Like, question: You are doing everything wrong, it's a scientific fact, the science is settled, and there's nothing you can do about it. 08:30:45 I agree. This is a waste of time. Please consider getting a real hobby instead of letting "le evil crypto" live rent free in your head all day 08:31:01 I'm making a documentary right now on Monero and it's only usecase being for cybercrime. I'm trying to be neutral by getting counterarguments to what I've said about the coin and that's why I'm here. 08:31:39 Doesn't feel neutral to me if you immediately start attacking us over using Monero though. 08:31:42 >trying to be neutral 08:31:49 Sovereignty? Why not use it? 08:31:50 Press X to doubt 08:32:14 Why only usecase "cybercrime"? I use Monero to get donations for p2pool, where's crime in that? 08:32:34 why should everyone have access to our wallet/transaction info? 08:33:04 Here's a totally "all cybercrime" page on where you can buy "totally drugs" stuff using Monero: https://monerica.com/ 08:33:07 I don't like crypto at all and think every coin is useless. Use cash if you want privacy. 08:33:13 MentalOutlaw (youtuber) runs his shop and accepts Monero, all legal 08:33:20 "Muh criminals use Monero" lol 08:33:46 Criminals use fiat orders of magnitude more 08:33:54 <123bob123:matrix.org> is this going to turn into an arguement like normal? 08:34:00 <123bob123:matrix.org> its just trolling 08:34:10 I'm not going to continue arguing here. I've moved to DM for serious discussion. 08:34:19 Yes, because you lost fair and square here 08:34:23 So run away crybaby 08:34:44 Yeah, go cry to your fellow bots on r/buttcoin 08:34:48 As for opsec, the biggest problems tend to come from people talking too much. Doesn't matter if you use Bitcoin, Monero, or cash, you can get caught regardless if you expose yourself too openly in the end. 08:35:31 MentalOutlaw quote right here ^^^ 08:35:44 This is what happens to those who got caught using Monero anyway. 08:36:10 sech1: It's true though. 08:36:37 I wasn't saying it's not true, I just remember he said it almost word for word once :D 08:36:53 I'm not a troll. I'm doing a serious investigation on Monero to educate people about it's true use case. If you don't believe me, you can view my documentary criticizing "blockchain technology". It's proof of my hard work: 08:36:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tspGVbmMmVA 08:36:59 I think in a video about "Finnish police trace Monero" FUD 08:37:00 Ah, I wasn't attempting to quote him. 08:37:22 "MUH HARD WORK" 08:37:40 AmericanScream, you're so full of yourself, aren't you? 08:37:40 americanscream: thats not news to anyone tho 08:37:42 Care to show some of that 40 years of hard work in software engineering? 08:38:38 To anyone starting bragging with their years of experience, I always reply "wisdom comes with age, but not to everyone. Some peopler only get older" 08:38:44 But thanks for half-confirming exactly what I "attacked" you about. 08:38:54 Continue attacking my character. It shows how childish you are. 08:39:04 I'm 12 years old inside 08:39:04 Your point ultimately is not to research, but to lecture us. 08:39:22 What else left to attack when your only public argument here was destroyed? 08:39:35 Right now we're just chatting 08:39:41 Cybercrime is good 08:39:44 You're the one being childish for calling me pointing out your hypocracy and true intend "attacking". 08:39:46 You say this like its bad 08:40:20 Bring some next topic to discuss, something more interesting than "muh criminal coin hurr durr" 08:40:35 Or we'll continue with offtopic here until mods ban everyone 08:40:37 Can I include your message in my documentary? 08:40:48 Absolutely 08:40:50 Proudly 08:40:55 Sure, go ahead. 08:41:01 Make sure you include the entire log. 08:41:03 It's a public IRC room, consider it like a public square IRL 08:41:11 We need more cybercrime 08:41:17 The world would be a better place for it 08:41:44 But if you include messages from this room to the documentary, don't forget to put a link to this full discussion to your YT video description 08:41:53 Okay? 08:41:56 Here's the link: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240320 08:42:10 Otherwise you can again edit everything to your liking, and that won't be fair 08:42:24 I'm not going to link this whole channel to my documentary. You people are only going to be hostile to my viewers and fans if they decide to join. 08:42:35 Boohoo 08:42:41 Cry me a river 08:42:42 Ah, so not a documentary but propaganda 08:42:46 Just like I though 08:42:46 Whiny little glowie 08:42:51 Can't stand against critics 08:42:55 Only fanboys allowed 08:42:55 Like I said, he's a total hypocrite. 08:43:40 I'll be including screenshots of Monero users who praise cybercrime and attack my personal character as proof of what this coin is really about. 08:43:43 Like we give a shit 08:43:54 You and your audience of 3 retards with no meaning 08:43:57 "NOOOO STOP ATTACKING ME" 08:43:58 "Proof", my ass 08:44:00 Just screenshot everything if you want to keep it neutral. 08:44:02 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/LkdzAenvrpXJqjpAtqkYvQIN 08:44:28 <123bob123:matrix.org> ok offtopic peeps 08:44:38 <123bob123:matrix.org> take it to beef room 08:44:41 Just screenshotting parts just proves that you're a hypocrite and a liar. 08:44:43 Do you have some real arguments? What do you ask people in DMs? 08:44:52 Stop with this "criminal coin" bullshit 08:44:56 You don't have to care. My documentaries are praised and I've amassed over 75K views on my content. I like educating people about the reality of crypto. 08:44:57 Seethe 08:45:03 Same was said about Bitcoin in early years, when people though it was anonymous 08:45:22 What power does you and your 75k NPCs have? 08:45:25 None 08:45:30 No influence 08:45:40 I'll leave now. As I predicted, look at my first couple messages, this community is no different to the stupidity of Bitcoiners. 08:45:43 As if they even exist to begin with lol 08:45:56 <123bob123:matrix.org> so i will be famous again. I appeared in erc tweet. Now this 08:46:05 Yes, criminals use Monero, just like criminals use any other tool that works as advertised. Criminals use cars, criminals use fiat. Criminals even use bathrooms. 08:46:24 <123bob123:matrix.org> gl with your cash in cashless society 08:46:47 Until his bank account is frozen for wrongthink 08:47:01 Happened in Canada in 2021 08:47:08 <123bob123:matrix.org> fyi ©️ 08:47:11 What do you mean bro, the government would never ban cash bro 08:47:15 "this community is no different to the stupidity of Bitcoiners.", said every ancom ever. 08:47:32 Bitcoiners now are just a bunch of NGU retards 08:47:44 Real OG Bitcoiners are all here now 08:49:17 It’s so weird how people seriously thought it was anonymous while they were staring at block explorers. 08:52:42 EU is pushing hard for anti-privacy, pro-inflation and centralized digital currency 08:53:14 I just love how all Ethereum ZK Technology is cucked from the start 08:53:32 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/UiFAsbRgmWqZPbmFaQvBjKvb 08:53:34 file Screenshot 2024-03-20 at 9.52.44.png too big to download (2943987 > allowed size: 1000000) 08:53:35 Screenshot 2024-03-20 at 9.52.44.png 08:53:47 Imagine putting "limits" and "kyc" as a feature 😂 08:55:42 Man r/monero is crawling with NGU tards also 08:56:00 Impossible 08:56:08 Monero doesn't NGU, everyone knows that 08:56:52 It will soon 08:57:04 Tari will be the pumping mechanism 08:57:36 Ive started a DM with a user from xmr dot se and another who wishes to expose a cover up regarding hardware wallets seed (24 in length) and a monero core seed (25 words). The documentary will be explosive. 08:58:39 Prob should keep his mouth shut until it is published 08:58:45 Delete that 08:58:48 americanscream: you should make a documentary about 24/25 ^ 08:59:03 It's a very important problem in Monero 08:59:42 Not everyone will understand this reference 09:00:10 What is an NGU? 09:00:33 Number Go Up 09:00:46 Ah, I see. 09:01:22 Neva gunnagive uup 09:01:27 Diamond hands, apes together, all that stuff 09:02:58 I'm actually fine with Monero not going "to the moon", because I want it to be part of a parallel economy, not yet another "get rich quick" coin. 09:07:18 Here's another argument against Monero I'm placing in my documentary, for those interested. Monero fails to achieve its purpose of being a currency as it must continue its parity with USD. Monero is always compared to USD. However, for it to become a currency it must be able to stand on its own. I know that Monero attempts to create a pathetic circular economy, but this can't ever 09:07:19 be sustainable as an economy requires rules and a government. It must require centralized quality testers (like the FDA), regulation and patents for products. Monero also fails to hedge against inflation, unlike USD which offers many banking services to save in. Even if the Monero price is constant relative to USD, it really isn't stable because inflation (from both emissions and 09:07:19 relative to USD) decreases your real value. 09:07:20 My best source of proof on why Monero will fail is CCS. I note that when developers request for funds, they publish a constant amount of XMR to be paid in. Now this causes problems as XMR is volatile unlike USD or most other fiat currencies. Some Monero community developers experienced issues in receiving their payments as the price of XMR dipped relative to USD and this reveals w 09:07:20 hy XMR fails one of its primary purposes. Goods and services priced in Monero are unstable, unless you're a criminal of course as none of this matters. 09:07:56 lol 09:08:02 Oh, you're still here? 09:08:13 why are you such a bootlicker 🤔 09:08:25 >"Imma leave" 09:08:32 >keeps coming back 09:08:36 I'm responding to this message by sech1. 09:09:08 still not a question 09:09:11 Monero isn't compared to USD. You can compare it to JPY, RUR, CHY, or whatever else you want, but it doesn't mean shit. 09:09:15 Imagine spending so much energy on why something will 'not' work. It signals a pathological love where you have to justify yourself why you shouldn't love it. 09:09:38 Last time I checked, a documentary is supposed to be impartial. If you set out to prove a point, you are not making a documentary in the first place 09:09:40 Its like a anti-gay documentary. Probably done by closeted homophobe 09:09:44 "However, for it to become a currency it must be able to stand on its own." Does any of your beloved fiat currencies do this though? 09:09:57 americanscream: regarding "cash is better", how would one pay someone electronically with cash? The nnumber of times Chase has locked my account for trying to use Zelle to make payments it found "suspicious" is almost a dozen. 09:09:58 You could call it an essay, or opinion piece, or article 09:10:00 I'll be reporting this hostility in my documentary. 09:10:12 I don't know which message you're responding to because I'm on IRC and I don't see quotes 09:10:25 User left the room 09:10:29 "Monero also fails to hedge against inflation, unlike USD which offers many banking services to save in." Because apparently you can't have a desktop wallet? 09:10:50 Why are you so fixated on USD? USD time is running out, it will crash in the foreseeable future 09:10:57 Average room IQ has increased by 22 points 09:10:58 Yes, please add the argument that you may secretly love it but see it as forbidden love and thats why you have to spend so much energy to dislike it. 09:11:09 Monero price/value will get more and more stable as more people start using it 09:11:11 I feel sorry for americanscream. I think that way reveals a complete ideological capture 09:11:14 Law of big numbers 09:11:19 I feel sorry for americanscream. To think that way reveals a complete ideological capture 09:11:30 "Now this causes problems as XMR is volatile unlike USD" XMR has been consistently on 21,000 yen over the past 3 years, so what are you talking about? 09:11:40 sign of the time 09:11:49 I still don't see a question, only one more scarecrow "muh Monero price is volatile" 09:11:56 Yeah bitcoin has diehard haters like the gold guy 09:11:59 This is just the same 09:12:13 It has been less volatile than Bitcoin in the last few years 09:12:31 oh well hes completely irrelevant 09:12:35 Look, I just asked 3 actual questions to your attempt to lecture us which you call "question". 09:13:02 You dont get it bros, his 1k completely real subscribers are gonna hunt us down! 09:13:51 What exactly causes this sort of mentality? 09:14:14 I'm all for real journalism and documentaries, but not for this kind of one-sided propaganda. He didn't even agree to put a link to this full chat in the video description, that says a lot. Real journalists always provide their sources for readers to examine on their own. 09:14:23 eudaimon36: "how would one pay someone electronically with cash?" Actually, it's very common to do that here in Asia, although it requires going to a convenience store. 09:15:11 Pay electronically with cash? There are ATMs that accept cash and you can select a number of services to refill or pay for 09:15:29 Anything that threatens your deep senses of self will automatically trigger a fight response. He has to reassure his sense of self with long narratives diatribes. 09:15:37 Anything that threatens your deep sense of self will automatically trigger a fight response. He has to reassure his sense of self with long narratives diatribes. 09:15:59 AmericanScream, "I'll be reporting this hostility in my documentary." As we all have said already, you're free to do so, make sure you show the full log to also prove your even bigger hostility, hypocracy, and lies. 09:16:18 You start being hostile, you can expect everybody else to be hostile back. 09:16:18 Plenty of reasons to try to figure out why something won't work. Precisely because you have no way to be certain that it *will* work. So instead you come up with tests and then say: "ok, I am 99.99% sure that this won't fail in the ways that I have tested" 09:16:45 Did you seriously believe we were going to cowtow for you if you were going to insult us right off the bat? 09:17:05 He probably truly believes in bitcoin as the only currency. Deep down sees Monero as a threat because, well it makes more sense. But he is to far down the rabbit hole. So he has to convince himself and others as to why it is "definitely" wrong. 09:17:07 But the implication is that you are genuinely interested to see if something can work or not 09:17:15 He probably truly believes in bitcoin as the only currency. Deep down sees Monero as a threat because, well, it makes more sense. But he is to far down the rabbit hole. So he has to convince himself and others as to why it is "definitely" wrong. 09:17:19 Otherwise you're just wasting time 09:17:21 He probably truly believes in bitcoin as the only currency. Deep down sees Monero as a threat because, well, it makes more sense. But he is too far down the rabbit hole. So he has to convince himself and others as to why it is "definitely" wrong. 09:17:38