01:36:57 What's the difference between haveno and serai? 02:23:14 RavFX: No, I was talking about China and US respectively, obviously. 02:24:47 There's only a little water on the left and a huge amount of water on the right though. 02:26:08 Besides, apart from Guam, the US isn't an Asian country. 02:27:35 Somoa 02:30:59 American Somoa is considered to be Oceania. 04:24:47 haveno is like a localbitcoin or localmonero but not a website, serai is like...i dont know im not smart enough to have touched etherium style stuff but you can only transfer other digital tokens not fiat. 04:28:17 Haveno is like bisq but with Monero as the main fiat tradable currency, instead of bitcoin. 04:29:14 is that the year monero got better. privacy enhancements...man..still evolving...not even its final form 04:29:55 Yep, monero is the only one. 04:29:55 If it die, all hope is lost 04:30:50 bisq/haveno/etc are decentralized orderbooks, haveno is an automated market maker 04:31:25 bisq/haveno/etc are decentralized orderbooks, serai is an automated market maker 04:31:56 haveno is like half life 3 04:32:28 bisq/haveno/etc are decentralized orderbooks, serai is an automated market maker 04:32:50 still remember downloading hl2 on floppy sized archives on dialup lol 04:33:17 that ai felt real 06:23:48 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> i just got the cd 06:24:04 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> not dealing with faxes or people call home line 08:08:51 https://discord.gg/sEKCFCegp7 08:09:12 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> lol ^ 08:09:43 eww discord 08:46:40 Discord and Monero doesn't quite go hand in hand. 08:47:19 https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord 08:48:10 exactly 13:29:38 https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues/1213#top 13:32:50 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/UqyYFStpFlERfWAuSQxIojSd 13:33:49 Some miner(s) got a bonus! 14:12:46 its disabled by default, most issue is with background sync set as aggressive 15:02:55 😂 15:02:57 https://mastodon.social/@AmericanScream/112134020929187863 15:08:35 uh huh 15:22:55 i'm loving the podcast but you need a new mic 15:25:35 why 15:25:47 are you on ep1? we fixed the issue after that 15:26:10 still on ep1 yes 15:26:43 yeah its not the mic its the directionality. i thought just speaking near it was good enough but we learned the mic has to be directed at where you are speaking 15:27:50 i had a fun chat with some buttcoiners today and the arguments against monero were revolutionary, to say the least 15:29:15 as in, they went in circles? 15:29:29 no it was much worse I made a list of their arguments you're going to laugh at them 15:30:17 these were the arguments against monero: 15:30:17 1) https://www.wired.com/story/monero-privacy -> privacy is broken 15:30:17 2) https://cointelegraph.com/news/monero-crypto-of-choice-as-ransomware-double-extortion-attacks-increase-500 -> used only for crime 15:30:18 3) Monero is better than Bitcoin because it uses PoS and this requires less electricity 15:30:18 4) Monero being delisted will kill the coin. Without a CEX, how will Monero survive? 15:30:19 5) using Monero makes you suspicious and this decreases your privacy 15:30:19 6) monero is only rank 50 on coingecko and the marketcap is low 15:31:18 when did we switch to PoS? 15:31:18 i think i figured out why buttcoiners are like this. most of the people i spoke with were old, like gen x 15:31:37 hey im genX :( 15:31:38 so it all makes sense now. buttcoins are old people who don't understand the technology 15:31:53 you must be a smarter gen x somehow 15:32:07 or technically im a xennial, a new word i learned the other day 15:32:30 I mentioned haveno, serai and bisq 15:32:53 they said that how can we trust price information from dexes? it could be fake. that's when i left the debate 15:33:16 lol.. how do you trust the prices at the grocery store? 15:33:51 buttcoiners also think that we all use tradeorge for some reason 15:34:10 not sure how they understand what tradeorge is but not how a dex works 15:34:55 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/NjQupndmGqhNxiUGJbKAXMnO 15:35:13 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/nIFnpNWNayEtFqLxjEfJCXOZ 15:35:22 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/dOlQmqAXFtHtptNcBTUBHFVt 15:35:28 there is no "true price" of an asset. theres a price youre willing to pay and a price youre not willing to pay 15:35:31 some proof of the discussion, this is real not me trolling 15:35:45 and if the prices on a DEX are wildly divergent from other places, people will arb 15:36:04 I don't think these people know what arb is, they'll probably think it's another crypto token scam 15:36:29 well it actually is 15:36:29 there you go, it's too confusing! 15:36:47 arbitrage or arbitrum hmmm 15:37:38 3) monero is PoS so its better than BTC? Did you forget which team you where trolling for when you wrote that lol 15:38:02 oh no none of those arguments are from me 15:38:15 those arguments are from the buttcoiners themselves 15:38:31 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/OIaWZaqsMgDTruNoMYBDNJEr 15:38:40 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/dtGJxWvHbxqHwpfRvvhuBagt 15:38:49 is this true? when did Monero fork to PoS plowsof? 15:39:17 Xmr dot se is a Monero fan today, you tell me :D 15:39:25 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/GYOPHcDaykaXBEOUuDUbOLjq 15:39:51 why even talk to these people 15:39:59 I run by skepticism everyday instead of skepticism sunday 15:39:59 If they think Monero is PoS then whats the point of continuing a conversation 15:40:15 like imagine you live in the bronze age and discover steel. how much time you gonna spend arguing with people who insist on keeping the bronze? 15:40:16 didn't you see the discord links they were spamming across the monero channels? 15:40:26 these people were begging for a debate 15:40:34 no that was deleted before i saw it 15:40:46 but still, why engage? 15:40:50 it wasn't deleted in the haveno channel 15:40:59 i was curious and now i know never to engage again 15:41:02 let the bronze armored warriors go to battle against the hittites and learn the hard way 15:41:18 i thought buttcoiners were knowledgeable about crypto. after all, they know about tether and all that 15:41:40 they know what msm lets them know 15:42:00 sad sad sad 15:44:33 update: americanscream does have 40 years of experience it looks like 15:44:35 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/dfdBMJufFTOzphuFypTsuNIQ 15:44:57 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/kBgKEamNakuPFdtxIuNcwBJp 15:45:04 No one asked 15:45:20 i don't know how it's possible to be this knowledgeable with tech but still come and criticize monero 15:45:37 this is all public information plowsof i asked him 15:45:44 Which grafana dashboard is this? 15:46:47 https://github.com/lalanza808/docker-monero-node 15:46:56 @pcre:matrix.org what did you use to graph this? 15:46:57 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.se/NqcVfLMieohIomkAZRJyIEnu 15:47:11 data and the program? 15:53:58 freeofrnxmr 15:54:06 he saved monero 15:59:16 retarded articles 16:00:42 For tor browser 16:00:42 >Note: Changing browser settings on TBB is not recommended by some, as they argue it is bad because it increases fingerprinting. Please also note that this is SpywareWatchdog, and not FingerprintWatchdog. 16:00:42 lmao wtf 16:01:20 anything he doesn't like is "spyware" lmao 16:01:36 spyware.neocities.org is spyware 16:02:31 Gnu R 16:03:08 https://ibb.co/6FB4Chk 16:03:47 I don't deny discord is one of the worst platforms btw 16:04:16 but saying Telegram isn't is pure hypocrisy 16:07:46 https://paste.debian.net/1311640/ 16:07:53 holy, I thought I have seen peak retards in other privacy channels. This has to be unsolicited troll. 16:07:55 ?? 16:08:22 proxies other people retarded opinions based on speculations instead of facts sounds very *skeptical*. 16:09:13 its all deleted so quoting it doesnt help 16:11:09 It's not deleted, just rotate head -45 degree to look at IRC screen instead 16:11:09 Deletion is futile when Matrix is linked to other platforms 16:11:37 but im on matrix 16:12:46 You where on IRC before, thought you still had both 16:13:40 i was banned at the request of the libera admins 16:13:58 erf, I see 21:21:10 oldiegoldie, Most older generations don't understand technology, but the few who do easily outsmart the younger generations. 21:24:51 you merely adopted the technology. i was born into it 21:24:53 The old farts know how to make complete software solutions in C or Assembly, make them in under a year, and don't update them afterwards (because at the time it was impossible). The new fags on the other hand have an abundance of languages to choose from (Python, Javascript, Go, Rust, Zig, PHP, Perl, Java, whatever), and after more than a year they either are still not done, or get released full 21:24:55 with holes. 21:33:19 The average webdev stack of someone with 20~30 years experience (or a grandpa/grandma in tech years): HTML + CSS + PHP + SQL 21:33:21 The average webdev stack of someone with 10 years or less experience: HTML (but only a tiny bit) + some kind of CSS framework + some kind of JS framework + some kind of backend framework + Docker + some kind of SQL abstraction + a bunch of weird tools I don't understand why they even need them + political drama on Github and/or Discord 21:35:07 I don't think you should generalize that much. I think broader grouping is less by generation but rather by dedication and experience. 21:36:12 This pattern is so common, it's hard not to "generalize". 21:36:54 php ew 21:37:06 The only mistake here is that it's not Github, but Microsoft Github. 21:38:15 snex, PHP 8.x is really decent. But if you mean PHP 5.x and older, then I agree, ew. 21:38:32 all php is shit 21:39:25 The only other language that's suitable for web backends is Go. 21:39:46 ruby ainec 21:40:11 Ruby on Rails is a framework that turns a language that isn't designed for the web into one that is. 21:40:12 Im getting errors in my monerod 21:40:12 I got an impression that Assembly is kind of required if you want into pentesting. 21:40:33 Stuff like underflow in tx pool weight 21:40:51 But imagine saying that PHP sucks, and then recommend Ruby. 21:41:25 People in the early 2010s thought that Ruby was superior over PHP, only to regret it a few years later. 21:41:57 zero people regretted it 21:42:25 The biggest example of those "zero people" is Discourse. 21:42:35 im not aware of anyone making web apps in php anymore 21:42:45 #monero-offtopic 21:44:23 Freelancers use it, here in Asia it's heavily used, WordPress devs use it, hobbyists (the only ones who use real PHP) use it. 22:04:06 it sez im banned there even on the matrix side lol 22:14:12 I got better things to do in my life than to argue with somebody on the internet about whether you should use webdev languages for websites or not. 22:14:41 So I'll just leave it at that.