02:34:36 <bleugryphon> any drawbacks to running monero on a thin client pc?
02:34:52 <bleugryphon> what about running it directly vs mining in a pool? 
02:57:47 <m-relay> <l​iplogb:xmr.se> i figured out why the tx count is high
02:57:47 <m-relay> <l​iplogb:xmr.se> it's not spam
02:57:47 <m-relay> <l​iplogb:xmr.se> someone is moving large amounts of monero through swaps
02:57:48 <m-relay> <l​iplogb:xmr.se> exch, dex like bisq and other cex exchanges have a total volume of around 90k xmr per day rn
02:57:48 <m-relay> <l​iplogb:xmr.se> the exchanges need the user to send xmr to a new wallet for every swap
02:57:49 <m-relay> <l​iplogb:xmr.se> at least 90k transactions per day are from these big swaps
02:57:49 <m-relay> <l​iplogb:xmr.se> this is not a spam attack
03:09:27 <m-relay> <d​ufebo98:monero.social> He is one of the attacker?
04:19:33 <remiliascarlet> snex, why rely on somebody else to host an IRC server if you can easily host one yourself. I wasn't kidding when I said it's dead easy to do so! https://landchad.net/irc/
04:40:16 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> @liplogb if they were genuine transactions by dex and cex , why wouldn't they consider hosting their own monero nodes instead of sending thousands of requests to cakes node and other public nodes ?
04:40:17 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> Do they have lack of knowledge about nodes ?
04:40:43 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> @liplogb if they were genuine transactions by dex and cex , why wouldn't they consider hosting their own monero nodes instead of sending thousands of requests to cakes node and other public nodes ?
04:40:44 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> Do they have lack of knowledge about nodes but could run a cex, dex ?
06:25:32 <m-relay> <d​ufebo98:monero.social> How will our community resolve the problem of flooding attracting? I’m a little concerned about the future of Monero
08:24:06 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> 90k xmr per day , 90k tx per day & 1xmr big swaps lol ; drank some kool-aid ?
08:25:12 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> are you sure cake nodes are broadcasting these txs ? if so they can easily identify spamming ips and block them
11:13:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thats probably dandelion++ in effect https://localmonero.co/knowledge/monero-dandelion?language=en the entire network has to pass the transactions around
11:21:31 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah it's most likely not someone using public nodes directly. Nodes use more resources now that there are more transactions.
11:22:10 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> It would have helped if that k8s CCS proposal was done
11:22:31 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> It's difficult to scale nodes
11:24:37 <plowsof> written in GO https://github.com/cirocosta/monero-operator , IIRC it worked* or works.. but didnt support tor and some other things 
11:24:44 <plowsof> but the ccs is definitely abandoned 
11:27:41 <plowsof> cakes issue may be a lack of a proxy node uhm
11:29:31 <plowsof> no idea what im talking about btw, ignore^ 
11:29:45 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> it means due to dandelion ++ even if the attacker is using their own nodes , the other public nodes would  get congested with these new txs that this node is broadcasting ?
11:30:39 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> it means due to dandelion ++ even if the attacker is using their own nodes , the other public nodes would  get congested with these new txs that this node is broadcasting ? As the whole network needs to pass around these transactions.
11:33:06 <plowsof> sorry, one major issues with old clients is that they request the mempool from the node every 20 seconds.
11:33:53 <plowsof> an updated client only requests updates (instead of everything) - so you can imagine that people who arent running the latest clients are downloading the bloated mempol from cakes rpc node 
11:35:06 <plowsof> dandelion++ increased traffic usage but not to the extent that is causing issues for public rpc nodes. a private monero node who only passes around p2p / dandelion++ traffic is fine with the increased transactions 
11:35:34 <plowsof> a hardfork will force everyone to use the latest software which doesnt ddos public rpc nodes when the mempool is massive 
11:38:59 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> a hardfork could remove low fee tier completely :)
11:39:17 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> because attacker is spending half the money a normal Monero user spends in tx fees
11:39:47 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> i vote for removing the low tier completely and doubling the expense for attacker
11:40:42 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> it wouldn't affect normal users much
11:41:16 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> and I think that the current tx fee is too low anyway
11:41:50 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> considering monero has automatic tx fees, if price increases then the tx fees will slowly decrease (bigger average block size) in a few months
11:43:49 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> considering that Bitcoin has an estimate tx fee for ~$2.05 to be included in a block in 60 minutes, I think it's also fine for Monero to double the tx fee to ~$0.015
11:47:50 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Btw try updating monero.social to Synapse 1.103.0 (no vulns but bugfixes available)
11:57:06 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> btw, happy palm sunday
11:59:30 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> passed that on to the admin Siren, thanks!
12:28:33 <nioCat> yes folks, update to 0.18.3.2 for the health of the network
12:29:04 <nioCat> and yes swap services only use 1in 2 out txs  lolololol
14:02:03 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> So attacker just needs to pay 8-10xmr a day ? Pretty cheap for chain analysis companies
14:03:10 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Raise it to 5-10cents and we might see a hit on their pockets
15:49:00 <m-relay> <f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I don't care too much, but I think the better idea is to keep the minimum fees that we currently have. But to actually change the Dynamic fee such that minimum fee never drops. We want to encourage a healthy fee market to develop in the future after blocks expand. If we lower minimum fee after blocks expand after 70 days then we are making it cheaper to bloat. I think minimum fee <clipped message>
15:49:01 <m-relay> <f​r33_yourself:monero.social> should stay unchanged regardless of blocksize, but as Long Term Median gets bumped it then more transactions can be accomodated alleviating upward pressure on fees
15:50:10 <m-relay> <f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Minimum fee should stay the minimum fee regardless of what happens. If congestion is high, then the Long Term Median is in place which will 1.7x the block size after 70 days which will lower pressure on fees.
15:57:47 <m-relay> <f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Ahh nevermind
15:58:16 <m-relay> <f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I just read some stuff from Articmine in the Research Lab channel and I like the current fee structure required to expand the blocks
17:52:38 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> A government attacker has bottomless coffers.  Increasing fee is meaningless. Technical scaling solutions that make it impossible to attack the chain, that make storage costs tiny, and prevent deanonymization in the first place are what’s needed.
17:53:41 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Only if it’s a gov, if it’s a chain analysis company it’s not suitable to control 90% recent outputs if fees are high
17:53:43 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Fee increase just kicks the can down the road and makes it more expensive for the majority of people
17:54:50 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> 5-10c is not going to hurt, but if you allow sub cent fee and privacy then majority will not use monero anyways
17:55:28 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> 5-10c is not going to hurt, but if you allow sub cent fee and privacy hit, then majority will not use monero anyways
17:59:25 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> A chain analysis company or vc backed org can afford a 5-10x increase in fees.  These numbers are literally cheaper than the urinal cakes on their balance sheet
18:00:37 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> So now you’ve just made it more expensive to use, and you still face deanonymization and chain blot
18:01:08 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> If I was attacking, I would hope the community makes the chain more expensive and less likely to be used by average Joe
18:03:16 <plowsof> Btc has high fees and that stopped people flooding mempool woth pictures of rocks right? 
18:03:45 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> I do think fees should be more in line with Nielsens law.  If the users of the chain are pushing storage average usage faster than storage technology can keep up, then there should be a fee increase to slow usage down
18:04:22 <plowsof> Making the normal user pay more and inadvertantly contributing to increasing blocksizes while the attacker spams low fees? 
18:04:40 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Bitcoin has limited block space and actually requires increasingly high fees for it to function from a security perspective
18:05:10 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> So jpeg spam is fine.  If you can’t afford to be in a bitcoin block then you’re fucked.  That’s how it was designed.
18:06:15 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> If Monero is increasing in chain size significantly faster than storage can keep up, then no one will get to use it.
18:07:33 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Unless we start designing for large orgs like cake to be the only ones running chains or have heavily pruned nodes
18:08:39 <m-relay> <s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Miner would probably enjoy a 2x in fees though
18:28:33 <nioCat> what is a heavily pruned node compared to a pruned node?
18:30:27 <plowsof> that would be a Light Node (tm)
18:30:50 <plowsof> part of Ruckniums research list https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/69 
18:31:27 <plowsof> about 2-5GB ? for when this issue was made 
18:43:43 <BlueyHealer> 2x in fees in Monero is still almost nothing tho
18:54:04 <nioCat> plowsof: "access blockchain data with reasonable confidence as to its legitimacy."  <> that seems to be a lower bar than I thought necessary 
18:54:30 <nioCat> Define reasonable 
18:56:36 <nioCat> Anyway I got tired of waiting for the chain to fill my 250GB SSD on my old rickety comp so last year I moved to a 1TB one
18:57:42 <nioCat> Being released this year will be the Ryzen 9900X and Samsung 8TB SSD
18:57:54 <plowsof> a reasonable upgrade
18:58:14 <nioCat> please give me a reason to get them.  :D
19:03:41 <nioCat> Also please pump for upgrade 
19:40:45 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> a 2x fees is not going to change anything, by keeping fees sub cent you are just inviting any shitty rival project to come and spam your blockchain
20:30:28 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> no, jpeg spam is not fine
20:30:38 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> i mean, bitcoin block size would be a problem anyway
20:31:07 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> but transaction fees would be lower for legit users
20:33:35 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> btw, only about 9.4 XMR in total are spent daily in fees
20:33:50 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> that's as low as 0.013 XMR per block
20:34:54 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> for comparison, 23.8 BTC are spent daily in fees, which is 5.95 BTC per block
20:35:55 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> EDIT: 0.165 BTC per block
20:39:53 <sech1> Bitcoin has 144 blocks/day, Monero has 720 blocks/day
21:05:38 <RavFX> My public Monero node Grafana dashboard is now open to public (login disabled) : https://stats.01.its-a-node.org/
22:41:56 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> It seems they want to transact/trade in cents and expect sub-cent fees. Maybe you should consider using another coin. Monero cannot allow spamming with little to no cost attached, especially when it affects everyone's privacy by significantly reducing the effective ring size.
23:30:38 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> xmr price account for this alr. the reason price low is because xmr is shitty until fcmp and seraphis. nothing like increasing fee or ring size will improve anything until fcmp and seraphis. the dev in xmr take long and they may abandon at any time so their uncertainty. if seraphis and fcmp come out prob in 5 years at current rate then price of xmr go up and this spam problem solve
23:32:37 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> if 5years the chain will be bloated and unusable, if you keep moneros privacy bad the price isnt going to go up
23:33:31 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ik but this fault of dev who take long. xmr price went down not because of delisting it never was issue because of other swap service and dex. it went down because of this shitty current implementation. we need fcmp and seraphis now but who knows how long it takes
23:34:06 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and by allowing cheap spam and majority of decoys to be owned by certain entities, you are just going to crash moneros price and make it even more cheaper to spam
23:34:10 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> xmr make fun of bitcoin but bitcoin more secure even if less private. 20% chance of guessing correct output now empirically with 5 ring effective sigs this is very bad
23:34:54 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> increase ring size, increase fees, fix decoy selection & you have some resistance against these assholes
23:35:58 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> this does nothing only delay inevitable. if increase ring size it still possible to attack except it's more expensive but not too expensive we don't know. increase fees is useless because the price will 100% go down if it's made super public that xmr needs to hard fork again... there no resistance for this only fcmp and seraphis they need to hurry up or this shitty coin gone
23:36:00 <nioCat> oh look, it's MR xmr.se
23:36:14 <nioCat> *Mr.
23:36:18 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> so you agree fees and ringsize needs to be fixed asap
23:36:34 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no that only delay inevitable. WE NEED FCMP AND SERAPHIS
23:36:55 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> what happen if fee increase and then price go down 50% or go up? it's bad decision
23:37:11 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ringsize is ok but still bandaid solution we need fcmp and seraphis devs hurry up or we going back to bitcoin
23:37:17 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> oh so your idea is to keep low fees low ringsize and keep privacy low and bring price to single digits, good idea
23:37:31 <nioCat> he has no idea
23:37:39 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> FCMP and seraphis isnt coming for years, every kid knows that
23:37:58 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> yes but if u increase ring size and fee it's not going to fix anything if it take years
23:38:33 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> and price so unpredictible for years how do we know if u increase fee say 10x then price can do anything in next years...
23:38:58 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> best solution is to increase ringsize (still shitty) and counterspam from monero fund
23:39:02 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> dude if you increase ringsize they need to own a much higher % and increasing fees makes it even more expensive ; but i guess you can go play with ztrash in the meanwhile
23:39:05 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no increase in fee otherwise xmr same as bitcoin. we bully bitcoin say it's bad for high fee and now we increase it? so stupid
23:39:32 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> no counter spam is effective with cheap fees
23:39:33 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you are just bloating the chain
23:39:37 <nioCat> we are increasing to $3?
23:39:43 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increase fee will reduce real output
23:39:52 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> argentinian people and low income use xmr
23:39:57 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> they stop using it if u increase fee
23:40:26 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> attack is meant for us to increase fee. increase fee is very bad
23:40:31 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> who the fuck says it will real outputs ? ppl can afford to pay 5cents for private transactions ; you arent using monero to buy single egg
23:40:46 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> 5 cents assume price stay the same...
23:40:49 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> Argentinian lol
23:40:52 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> which it wont stay the same
23:41:22 <nioCat> jack_ma_blabla you should find someone who will discuss this on good faith
23:41:27 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> what happens if price go down -10x? we make new hardfork again and again? shitty solution
23:41:29 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no winners only FCMP AND SERAPHIS but devs so slo
23:41:45 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> im discuss it good faith. this fee solution is going to ruin xmr u people are police fed trying to ruin it
23:41:52 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ringsize + counterspam that's it
23:41:55 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you are expecting the price to go 1000 tommorow ? price isnt going anywhere its going to stay here for years, there is no circular economy ; every vendor dumps it for Butcoin or usdt/dai
23:42:16 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no -10X it go to $15 therefore tx fee back to normal even if increase by 10x
23:42:25 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no -10X it go to $14 - 15 therefore tx fee back to normal even if increase by 10x
23:42:38 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> dark vendor don't know about black marble yet it not public by much. make hard fork only get worse
23:42:49 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> we need a higher fee, or else this is going to be very ineffective
23:42:54 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> they only know there tx spam. not many know decoy know
23:42:56 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> they only know there tx spam. not many know decoy know 5
23:44:01 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> ok xmr.se so only argenteians will use and we go to x100
23:44:04 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> or single digit
23:44:34 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> xmr.se go and do a PSA on dread , show them what it is
23:44:42 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> then our devs will wake up from sleep
23:44:44 <nioCat> increase in ringsize = increase in fee and they will get nowhere near the ring reduction they need if this is indeed what "they" are doing 
23:44:49 <nioCat> just follow AM
23:45:09 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ringsize better than increase fee only.
23:45:25 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> because it increase block size needed for lower decoy selection
23:45:28 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> we need this blackswan even to get monero to single digit & finnally get rid of dnm taint
23:45:40 <nioCat> minimum time needed for a HF is 6 months
23:46:05 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> if this happen price is gone
23:46:25 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> darknet go back to bitcoin even if shitty still better than this
23:46:51 <RavFX> hot bitcoin better than this
23:46:54 <RavFX> how*
23:47:11 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> increased ringsize with same shitty decoy selection with majority coming from recent outputs is not going to do jack , they are going to spam that bit extra and bring it to same level of effective ringsize ; but if you increase the fees high it makes their attack a lot more expensive; making it just 4-5x expensive isnt going to do it
23:47:36 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> bitcoin with whirlpool is safer than this shit rn the guessing probability rn is over 20% and this spam attack hasn't gone on for long
23:47:42 <nioCat> jack is an expert in statistical analysis 
23:47:43 <RavFX> bitcoin have 100% detection of the true spend, bitcoin have 1-00% detection of the amount, bitcoin have 100% detection of the destination address
23:47:49 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> RavFX, NgU bro
23:48:04 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> bitcoin with whirlpool + eth bridge + tornado safe u shit
23:48:12 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no one use only bitcoin
23:48:26 <RavFX> Sure, if you does the extra step and pay the fees many time, yes, indeed
23:48:28 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> Cat is a expert skeptic
23:48:35 <nioCat> using btc is too complicated for me
23:49:00 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> yes and it better than the current 20%+ probability
23:49:02 <RavFX> btw, right now btc fees are suspectly low
23:49:05 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> darknet willing to do this
23:49:07 <RavFX> less than 1$
23:49:14 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> XMR is much more compliated, you need to churn 100 times still can be tracked lol
23:49:34 <nioCat> no we just making shit up jack
23:49:40 <nioCat> *now we
23:49:41 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> fcmp and seraphis will fix so easy but our dev incomptent
23:49:49 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> effective ring size of 5.5 lol
23:49:55 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and no alarms ringing
23:50:10 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> soon hugbunter make post dw
23:50:21 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> xmr go to $15 and we done. bitcoin win again
23:50:24 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> Cat i am bored
23:50:44 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> they verify if ruck calculation is correct first before warning made
23:50:45 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> xmr.se go find those devs to build it, go fork it
23:51:00 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> all good dev on ethereum and bitcoin they cost lots of $$$
23:51:31 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> so you are cheap and cant even afford 5 cent fee, you deserve eth tornado
23:51:32 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> or they building own project like darkfi
23:51:34 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no devs touching xmr we only have like 5 dev
23:51:36 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> those fees are so cheap
23:52:05 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> how can u be this dumb. with tornado it 100% safe. with xmr even if we raise fee it doesnt guarantee because it rely on price
23:52:20 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> yes xmr is cracked, go spread the news & maybe get that bounty from uncle sam
23:52:24 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> we know price manipulated
23:52:32 <nioCat> move to wownero, ringsize is 22
23:52:51 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you are dumb to not have 5 cent fees, but want to spend 10s in those shitcoin ethard fees
23:52:54 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ringsize 5
23:53:07 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> 5 cent fee IF PRICE STABLE how can u not understand
23:53:16 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> 5 cent still low for attacker we don't know
23:53:23 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> price isnt going anywhere lol
23:53:38 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> it can only go down, not up
23:53:59 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you are forgetting that, your dnm vendors know that
23:54:19 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no because now we have one attacker. change fee have hardfork and now more people know about attack = more attackers and higher fee = less real spends = more fake decoy
23:54:39 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you dont know jack xmrcracked, go back to the cave you came out from
23:55:14 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> u are fed
23:55:23 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> everyone who say increase fee try to capture xmr
23:55:25 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> i am the fed
23:55:45 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> capture xmr lol retarded
23:56:04 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> it already 20%+ for guess. this mean btc whirlpool and tornado is better alternative
23:56:07 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> what do u think will happen to price dumbass
23:56:10 <nioCat> once you have more attackers then they can't deanonymize the chain anymore
23:56:35 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> this fed attacker can collaborate
23:56:36 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> i guess you are the attacker who wants to keep spamming and you will go out of biz with higher fees
23:57:02 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> if chainanalysis for eg. do attack now then fed get interested may attack too with chainanalysis
23:57:13 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> we don't know and it doesn't matter anyway what matter is we get fcmp and seraphis soon
23:57:26 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increase ringsize and counterspam = temporary shitty solution
23:57:33 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increase fee = dumbasses from fed who want to capture xmr
23:57:41 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and you want to keep fees low, so its easier to attack lol
23:57:51 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increase ringsize
23:57:54 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> not fee
23:57:59 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> directly
23:58:11 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> fcmp and serpahis isnt coming till 2027 or maybe 2030
23:58:43 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> current approx 24 if we increase to 40 from 16
23:58:48 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> for decoys
23:59:09 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> to get back to 5 block needs to go to 2000+ in size which take long
23:59:21 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> to get back to 5 block needs to go to 1000+ in size which take long
23:59:32 <m-relay> <j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you cant increase ringsize above a certain limit, its hard to verify txs; you can increase tx fees though and make it expensive to attack
23:59:38 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increase fee is not solution it does nothing
23:59:54 <m-relay> <x​mrcracked:xmr.se> 40 can increase easily. we need to increase for seraphis anyway