00:26:58 whats the current time out drop policy for the txpool? 00:26:59 3 days? 00:27:53 Yes 00:28:08 was that just a magic number? I wonder if that can be refined 00:28:36 one could imagine with organic growth, the blocksize would increase at such a rate that transactions wouldn't really stick around for 3 days 00:28:59 whereas with a high spike spam event, they will. 00:29:16 like, i bet we could do some math and such and find that something along the lines of hours is probably enough 00:29:25 which would then have the effect of al this spam being dropped 00:29:34 and regular users could resubmit with higher fees faster 00:30:17 or hell, we could make the drop time dynamic 00:31:46 seems like me and the chatbots have some more python scripts to make 00:33:55 It was changed in this PR: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/3205 00:34:02 Not much explanation 00:39:37 The problem with lowering the timeout as-is is that nodes will drop any timed out transactions. So if we strike a fine balance in terms of expiry time, some txs will get timed out when they shouldn't and users will have to reconstruct the tx so it doesn't have the same TXID 00:39:41 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/c8214782fb2a769c57382a999eaf099691c836e7/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp#L161 00:40:58 but thats not consensus at all. i could mod all my nodes.... 00:41:46 i mean, one could argue that a user doesn't expect a transaction to take hours, or days, to go through 00:41:49 Well yeah sure, but you'd have to get most of the network to agree to have a decent chance of having ur tx included in a block 00:41:55 a transaction that takes hours is a failed transaction 00:42:11 this aint bitcorn 00:43:31 i don't get your last statement. if i mod the code for my node, then it will drop those txs from its txpool 00:43:41 i guess my node would re-receive them from its peers tho 00:44:05 although that last code snippet u just posted means that my node wouldn't actually re-receive them 00:44:31 so if all block explorers mod their code, there's no spam attack. 00:44:32 lol 00:44:49 ima go break things :) 00:45:26 The last code snippet is why the network as a whole shouldn't just make the timeout period lower without further consideration 00:45:45 lol can't be spam if my node ignores all txs 00:48:03 What would be the optimal solution IMO is an optional RBF-like feature that doesn't affect uniformity, doesn't give away change outputs, and when not used doesn't affect 0-conf acceptance 00:49:10 i dunno about rbf. to me it breaks more than it fixes 00:49:37 i mean it seems like a bitcorn kludge fix 00:53:26 well a 3 hour limit didn't cut down the xmrchain txpool that much 00:54:01 but it will in about 2 hours 02:34:42 You've earned my respect with your username. Only president under which the US national debt ever reached ZERO 04:10:12 gingeropolous is going to increase support tickets, hey my pending tx is not visible on xmrchain 04:11:52 are there any other mempool which can be trusted ? 04:12:10 i mean blockchain explorers 05:44:25 isnt darkfi launching soon? probably bitcoiners trying to make community switch privacy coins so then they can claim. 'ya see it has been usurped as private money' stick with traceable bitcoin. 07:55:40 @modul8:matrix.org dont u dare say anything bad about bitcoin. xmr is a disaster and the price reckoning of it going to 0 is going to happen soon 07:57:31 look at the price of xmr. i cant believe how braindead people must be to buy this coin. it's only used as dirty cash by darknet admins who eventually put all their money into the powerhouse bitcoin 08:00:34 shut the fuck up xmrcorn 08:02:24 bitcoin transactions take longer because theyre safer. xmr transactions are cheap and fast because the technology is flawed and thats why its getting spammed. bitcoin is protected by high fees - a bank in the cyberspace. monero is a laundromat for darknet admins who extract money from dumbasses like yourself 08:20:31 And that ain't saylor: At least the real one is hilarious, even when being moronic. This one is only moronic. 08:22:47 the only moron here is yourself trying to protect monero. this coin is dead in the waters. delistings from exchanges, spam attack reducing privacy and now this spam attack is delaying transactions by hours - worse than bitcoin confirmation times 08:23:23 🤣 08:23:40 keep on laughing at yourself 08:24:29 the copium levels of this community is delusional. once the price goes to 0 i cant wait to see your coping mechanisms next. oh a price of 0 means higher privacy because no one uses this coin anymore? what's the next excuse? 08:25:22 Where is that thing? 08:26:00 Ah, found it. Be gone 😁 08:26:50 keep saying that and the 2 developers work on this project will leave to bitcoin too 08:27:17 sethforprivacy, woodser and kayabanerve trying to distance himself from monro - who's next? 08:27:21 sethforprivacy, woodser and kayabanerve trying to distance himself from monero - who's next? 08:31:11 let it be known that the darknet admins fund the ccs. but now theyve realized they can fund bitcoin developments safely too. why jump hoops in monero when you can use bitcoin directly? put two and two together to understand why monero is collapsing 08:33:22 This conversation feels like this scene. https://media.primal.net/uploads/e/7c/36/e7c363a7cfb7f1eda0641628162d61d172d275fdbf8c6a480a1dd4013bd1c83d.jpg 08:33:51 what a fucking joke of a scene 08:34:59 monero should exist in that scene. it will dissappear soon. if you invested in bitcoin early on the suffering was worse. from $60 to a couple of pennies - we fought through. this community is not as strong as us 08:35:11 monero shouldnt exist in that scene. it will dissappear soon. if you invested in bitcoin early on the suffering was worse. from $60 to a couple of pennies - we fought through. this community is not as strong as us 08:35:48 fluffy, woodser, seth all your developers are leaving for bitcoin or just taking their coins that bagged from the inflation bug 08:36:45 Yes you are the guy on the left. Telling us, how you sufferd from the price going up and down. from 60$ to 70k 08:37:19 you must be new to crypto and that understable. you havent realized it yet but bitcoin is king for a reason 08:37:39 But in realitiy you are getting assimilated by the same guys who fooled the world with fiat. 08:37:57 and you are getting scammed by darknet operators who swap monero for bitcoin or stablecoins 08:38:55 bankers have realized the force of bitcoin is too strong. why fight when you can join them? bankers have no threat on the underlying protocol on bitcoin. they are drawn by the energy, the light bitcoin illuminates in the dark shadowy world of cryptocurrency 08:40:21 privacy will never work online. how long until llms take over every chat room? when that happens kyc will be necessary for all social media. a self-identifying passport. bitcoin will help facilitate this 08:40:48 That is you path 08:41:01 That is your path 08:41:11 youll be spammed until it becomes unbearable 08:41:19 youll be forced to inevitably comply 08:41:38 bitcoin will allow compliance to be safe, secure and psuedoanonymous. monero will never survive 08:43:58 bitVM and zk rollups are coming to bitcoin 08:44:06 you fucking idiots are going to realize how dead monero is soon 08:44:12 Banker could also delist Bitcoin. 08:44:26 never. with blackrock we now know bitcoin is here to stay 08:44:52 bitcoin will be the settlement layer for safe bank transfers 08:45:05 trillions will be transferred on bitcoin. monero cant handle a tiny, tiny fraction of this 08:45:32 https://bitvm.org/ 08:45:40 bitcoin is king and always will be. suck it losers 08:46:59 A useful idiot until BlackRock stabs you in the back. 08:47:29 keep talking about hypotheticals 08:47:40 the devs of monero have already stabbed your back 08:47:53 so many bugs with how many years of development? 08:48:00 fucking pathetic this coin is 08:48:31 It is very naive to assume that what happens to Monero cannot also happen to Bitcoin. A childish way of thinking. 08:48:35 bitcoin contracts will allow for a second layer that can handle billions of transactions with low fees and zk rollups + privacy. bitcoin is going to win. why use monero? 08:49:06 bitcoin doesnt have 2 developers 08:49:14 When it happens, Monero is already three steps ahead. 08:49:19 Oh a new troll eh 08:49:24 we have thousands of active contributors. no one dares touches monero 08:49:31 i agree youre three steps ahead 08:49:38 Y’all feeding trolls again? 08:49:39 were 21 million and counting 08:50:11 people cant help but respond to things theyre afraid of 08:50:26 im here to help not troll. monero is a sinking ship 08:50:45 im writing down my thoughts. feel free to ignore if youre a fucking idiot who loves losing money to darknet admins 08:50:51 or mute me. its easy 08:50:58 Good. So you can leave this sinking ship of a chat room 08:51:07 With a guilt free conscience 08:51:21 no i enjoy laughing at dumbasses 08:51:22 and those who are smart - listen to me and leave 08:51:35 its like looking at the chat room of terra luna before the collapse 08:51:40 one cant help but laugh in being right 08:52:37 when monero collapses my messages will be screenshotted and praised. perhaps i was a little unprofessional here and there but my central message was clear. leave monero before it fucks you more badly than it ever has 08:54:54 He doesn't understand that we all don't own any Monero. We are fully stacked with Bitcoin. Most of us here are early adopters all together with millions of Bitcoin. We only switch to Monero when we want privacy. How much is up to us. 08:55:34 if thats true then im sorry for what ive said 08:56:01 tho it proves me right. monero used as a laundromat - as dirty cash. bitcoin is the light, the gold of the cyberspace 08:56:05 though it proves me right. monero used as a laundromat - as dirty cash. bitcoin is the light, the gold of the cyberspace 08:56:33 I lost all my Monero in a boating accident, I have none. 08:56:37 Wouldn’t this short circuit the block growth algo? 08:56:51 you wouldve lost it all eventually when the price hits 0 08:58:13 At least it could'va never been blacklisted and censored... like bitcoin. 08:58:23 https://bitvm.org/bitvm.pdf this right here will change the world. anything can be built on bitcoin. even another monero 08:58:27 Clinton ended with a surplus 08:59:31 you must be living under a rock. monero is censored and removed from all exchanges. if you try to deposit it into an exchange youll be arrested instantly. monero holders are left with either switching into bitcoin for safe exchanges or using shady cexs like tradeogre. p2p doesnt count because you can get scammed easily 09:00:13 when i talk about bitcoin exchanges 09:00:25 What am I going to do with Monero on an exchange? 09:00:26 i refer to no kyc ones likenoones.com 09:00:29 i refer to no kyc ones like noones.com 09:00:50 safe and decentralized without scammers 09:00:51 The day Larry Fink introduces Paper Bitcoin, we will all go "ALL IN" in Monero. That will be the EXIT scam for you. 09:01:27 you cant spend any monero so you need to withdraw it like a retard 09:01:31 bitcoin is accepted everywhere 09:02:10 I bought the esim I'm using right now with Monero, mate. 09:02:15 get a life saylor 09:02:50 you couldve bought it with bitcoin - theres no difference 09:03:46 before you say bitcoin isnt private and anyone can see your balance 09:04:01 whirlpool and coinjoin exist. https://bitvm.org/bitvm.pdf is coming and bitcoin will be more private than bitcoin 09:04:13 whirlpool and coinjoin exist. https://bitvm.org/bitvm.pdf is coming and bitcoin will be more private than monero 09:04:16 Too slow and high fees and not private, I prefer Monero. 09:04:27 you're a broken record. sad 09:04:41 Spend $7 in tx fees to send $3 09:04:59 Guys, internet 101. Don't feed the trolls 09:07:12 I'm just a normie, this is too complicated and confusing to me. Monero is private by default, as all money should be. 09:07:15 🙌 09:14:26 Hey guys how can I mine lots of Monero? The coin is getting harder to buy now and I want to buy a powerful CPU maybe to instead mine XMR 09:15:30 I try mining already and I can only get 2c a day maximum 09:29:33 If you want to mine lots of Monero, you need to buy lots of computers 09:33:17 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/envs.net/0f782ec18e1efbaeab67681aceb04b7d5e4ef3aa1772557422628438016 09:50:36 Expensive ones 11:38:33 How expensive? I dipped my toe in a mining pool with a couple old laptops and a reasonably powerful tower in 2020 and never saw a single payout yield. 11:38:33 Does it have to be a HPC cluster with super computer capacity? 11:47:13 well it seems my mods didn't break monero 11:54:50 yes it did! we no longer have a backlog in the mempool 11:55:11 what will we worry about today? :( 11:58:37 I miss the old days of checking xmrchain and seeing 10k transactions in memoool 11:59:15 Memoool (with 3 o's even) what have i become 12:17:06 these butcoin coinjoin users coming here, seems like their buisness model is underthreat after samourai introduced xmr swaps & probably the ones spamming the chain & want cheaper fees to continue spamming 12:18:06 jack you can pay higher fees if you like <3 12:18:42 Mempool is empty. If they're spamming, they're not very efficient 12:19:56 cat , try to live like normal pleb humans who use mobile and live in remote areas and see how they suffer when spam peaks just 5x and we are unusable 12:21:01 sech1 nitpicking, they are owning 80% of decoys for just 4-5xmr 12:21:20 Set up Monero lws if you can't sync your wallet https://github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws?tab=readme-ov-file#about-this-project 12:21:27 They don't own 80% now 12:21:34 They don't spam enough transactions 12:23:29 sech1 do you have stats to show they dont own 80% 1/2 txs ? LWS lol go put some dev resources there is only 1 dev working on it for years or maybe half a decade and it doesnt even have subaddress or easy to plug n play for mass adoption ; Monero is for privacy not cheap txs 12:24:09 we enjoyed cheap txs, while we could; make it cheap again after you have mythical FCMP 12:24:23 Rucknium showed some stats recently 12:25:06 Jack show us your source for "them" controlling 80% 12:27:06 LWS has subaddresses, but only on develop branch atm 12:28:29 plowsf i will ask these spammers to give out their wallet keys soon, so everyone benifits from it 12:29:16 thx vtnerd for sticking to LWS, i hope you get more hands to get this done soon 12:29:40 Used a mining pool why? That’s your problem 12:32:15 If spammers give out their wallet view keys, everyone will know which of their outputs are spent. We already have infrastructure in place for this - "monero-blockchain-mark-spent-outputs", so they won't be used in new transactions 12:41:06 sech1 yes and 6 months of txs will have very weak decoys and eae eabe would be easier , but i guess we wait for normal fork schedule as privacy implication isnt as big a emergency as some asic mining more coins 12:44:03 Rings are only 1 of the 3 privacy mechanisms, and this spam can't remove them completely 12:44:11 Even with the spam, effective ring size is 4.5-5 12:44:23 So if you churn even once, you'll get your privacy back 12:48:21 outputs megers splits path lot of things expose users 12:48:46 churning while these spam attack is worst thing to do when majority of recent outputs are owned by ccp 13:11:19 jack_ma_blabla: every time you mention the tx spam you point the finger in a different random direction. Have you made up your mind on who's "guilty" and what their goals are? 😊 13:14:02 Nothing wrong with using a mining pool. And if you're about to say "whatabout p2pool" - that's still a mining pool ;) 13:14:09 should i come up with new ids like the one who want cheaper fees to continue consuming blockchain space for almost throw away price ? 100k txs for 7-8block worth of tail emission 13:15:46 Old laptops (presumably Intel) are terribly slow and inefficient, so you won't get much. But modern Ryzen cpus are quite fast and have the best efficiency, and can be reasonably profitable if you don't pay a ton for electricity 13:16:32 Oh look, another direction! 13:17:19 You saw the part about never received a payout? Likely isn’t P2pool. 13:17:20 tx spam just doesnt consume blockchain space, its also hurting ring size at throw away price 13:17:58 seems like a bunch of core affilated guys have been give a script to continue supporting cheap fees 13:18:22 seems the fed finally infilitrated monero, they cant even take down honeypots from getmonero 13:18:49 Not really, just a few points that he repeats. I think we get jack's perspective 13:19:14 /s 13:19:25 Oh the fed thing is new lol 13:19:45 Wait, I thought it was the ccp? Did they switch sides in the span of a few messages? Faster than you could make a PR with some documented reasoning? 13:19:49 I see /s :) 13:20:22 you know what i mean ;) ccp fed all are one just different masks 13:20:24 A slow machine on p2pool main can take well over a week to find a share 13:20:25 Noob attempt 13:20:48 i will go back to punching buttons to continue the spam, enjoyed my break 13:21:56 I put my keyboard in a safe place so Cat can no longer spam 13:22:29 3 machines. 1 fast. He “mining pool”. Not P2pool. So why are you suggesting it’s P2pool? Who do you know randomly refers to p2pool as “I tried a mining pool”? You have no evidence to support the idea that it’s p2pool. 13:22:56 3 machines. 1 fast. He said “mining pool”. Not P2pool. So why are you suggesting it’s P2pool? Who do you know randomly refers to p2pool as “I tried a mining pool”? You have no evidence to support the idea that it’s p2pool. 13:23:57 more power to you cat, thanks for understanding :) 13:24:51 monerobull: something is wrong with the bridge. Sech1 and niocat are missing from matrix.org 13:25:48 CleverNameHere: anyway, what you may have missed is the fact that different pools have different payout thresholds. i.e. you have to mine a minimim amount before they pay you. Some pools have rather high thresholds 13:27:37 Someone tell aremor that the issue is with matrix 13:27:55 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/kGhnaWcFScePBIpCPVzeONvS 13:27:57 Imagine being proud of this 13:28:06 Thank god for self-select get_block_template 13:29:12 This is like a billboard saying: "Look feds, we have fine-grained control over the transactions we include in blocks" 13:29:59 1x 2011 laptop, 1x 2015 laptop - both intel and a 2019 tower w/Ryzen 7-1700. 13:29:59 I did not know what i was doing...still dont really. 13:31:38 More hashrate = more income. Check xmrig.com/benchmark to get an idea 13:31:59 Less power usage = less electricity cost, higher efficiency = more profit 13:32:17 Intel cpus in general suck at efficiency, and old Intels are slow af too 13:32:28 tldr Ryzen rules 13:32:57 Though the Ryzen 1700 is not as good as the 3000 series and later 13:33:34 Can't recall the pool but i don't think it was p2pool 13:53:58 I only run the discord bridge 13:54:02 Which has been running with impeccable performance btw 13:55:19 Who runs the Matrix bridge? 13:55:40 Idk 13:57:12 Thank you, mr Saylor, I am selling my xmr bags. 🙏 13:57:14 Managed to compile the Feather wallet on FreeBSD. For that I had to disable every Cmake option, which is all unnecessary bloat anyway. 13:57:37 🙌 me, sir! 13:58:05 I believe that datahoarder runs the bridge 13:58:21 aye 13:58:48 But it's not the bridge AIUI 13:59:52 So true, such wisdom! 14:03:22 That was fun, and jannies are faggots. 14:03:25 Stop banning the fun. 14:07:47 that might be an issue with matrix.org or monero.social 14:07:49 14:24:51 monerobull: something is wrong with the bridge. Sech1 and niocat are missing from matrix.org 14:08:00 monero.social has all those messages afaik 14:08:22 so it can just be your regular Matrix Federation Issues(TM) 14:18:18 It's an issue between the monero.social homeserver and the matrix.org homeserver 14:27:12 Bitcoiners want us to but the top, so funny. more time pass more it just look like the bitcoiners are behind the attack.. So they can then try to con use into buying there ponzi. 14:56:36 To be fair, bitcoin is probably a better "investment" for traders since it can replace gold for governments 14:56:36 But monero is the real money 15:00:12 yep. Bitcoin is hardly usable for money. You compete again banks to make TX in the base layer... And it's slow. LN have so many different issue, tested it a few time but you kind of need to have many open channels and you need to be plugged into the big node like blocksteams. Decentralization don't work on that L2, try to connect to some brazilian node and see how well it go. 15:01:33 Monero do have some scalability issue now that we got some help to stress test it, hope some are going to be addressed.. I think we might actually need more tor node (Like 2X it). 15:02:11 I'm doing node experiment and ... can we please have another stress test round now? I need to validate my experiment. 15:42:23 Missed Monerotopia Episode (#159)? 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