01:12:23 I made a few graphics showing Monero block sizes (and median of last 100 blocks) in March: https://github.com/spackle-xmr/chaindata_graphics 01:12:37 Not rigorous, not polished, just a bit of fun. 01:14:01 Microsoft gets hacked by Russia like once a year 01:18:15 Trying to remember about that russian botnet that got taked down because a a Linux CVE a few months ago 01:19:15 That one about ld-linux.so.2 giving root to everyone asking for it 01:20:01 Linux-ld? Anyway, the linux loader that come with glibc 01:34:30 I did not say linux suck, I say that all sucks, diffently 01:42:23 My 486 copy files faster on dos (small 512 bits files) compared to my Ryzen on windows 11. 01:42:24 #alloperatingsystemssucks 01:48:55 Not only that, but the 486 class machine dont have dma on the ide channel its stuck in pio mode 3... Its a compact flash with an effective speed of ~3mb/s. Wtf why it win again a ryzen /w 4gb/s nvme drive (with windows explorer). 02:35:00 What's the most private way to exchange monero and USD (or any other real money)? 02:36:02 nij- : localmonero via tor 02:36:03 Assuming you have access to peers that have "cash at ATM" option 02:36:03 And live in a country that allow that thing 02:37:39 Wait, it won't be USD.., but local other countries USD... 02:37:39 If you want USD USD its going to be hard because US bank don't do that. 02:37:40 You can exchange to USDT (via trocador.app, available from TOR), if so, use with TRX network because cheaper. Then it will be as private as it get imo 02:38:59 :( 02:39:07 Yeah, last time I was traveling in another country, 02:39:40 the exchanges are required by law to film me, my speaking of an honesty statement.. and more before I can exchange with them. 02:39:43 That's crazy. 02:39:55 How about.. monero<->gold ? 02:40:01 Why is this so difficult.. 02:42:06 You can buy gold in the USA, using XMR. 02:42:30 https://moneromarket.io/ 02:48:00 Is the transaction trackable? 02:49:53 Doesn't seem to be.. hmm.. 02:50:19 I just want to figure away to raise the liquidity between monero and USD as much as possible. 02:50:31 Monero is fine (as long as EVE not involved) 02:50:32 For moneromarket.io, you can setup PGP keys and if you do so, moneromarket.io or whoever have access to his data won't be able to read any of the message you send to the other peers you transact with 02:50:48 assuming the seller does not leak your informations 02:50:59 How about this pipeline? - 02:51:09 (1) monero - > get bitcoin online 02:51:20 (2) exchagne bitcoin with usd in person 02:51:48 I just need to ensure that they can't trace back to the fact that I owned those monero. 02:52:13 (Btw, I havne't checked for 2 years. Is there any crypto that claims to be "more secure" than monero?) 02:53:16 (2 years ago monero was definitely still the mose secure and private) 02:54:37 it depend where you get the bitcoin from and if you have proper opsec (you use a fresh bitcoin address, use tor, use an exchange that don't mind tor and have no kyc). BTC issue is that while it "can" be private, it is not by default, you have to do some gymnastics to be able to use it privately. And even if it's private, if you get your btc from non kyc exchange, there is some cha 02:54:38 nce of getting tainted BTC (tracked BTC that got used for drugs, crimes, cp, etc, etc) 02:54:38 Monero is definitively the most serious private option that exist. 02:55:52 And monero probably have the biggest altenative market option... 02:55:52 For example you don't have moneromarket.io or localmonero.co equivalent with Piratechain or Firo 02:56:02 Awesome. Is monero under development? Any new concepts that's yet to be implemented? Besides its user friendly manual, where I can read about its deeper implementation details (source code is may be too hard for me so far.) 02:56:31 https://masteringmonero.com/ 02:57:24 You can download the PDF for free 02:58:20 Monero is still under development, you can even see what's up right now in #monero-dev:monero.social & #monero-research-lab:monero.social , But stay silent in these except if you actually have something constructive for the project to share ;) 03:01:15 Got it. Thanks! Exciting :) 03:01:32 I hope the world find an easier way to exchange cryptos with real money soon. 03:01:43 Before that I need to find workarounds.. 03:01:55 Haveno soon™️ 03:02:38 Try to onboard bitcoiners from bisq, binance p2p, etc, etc to Agoradesk.com (it work the say way and they can also trade the Monero on there). 03:03:07 I don't know how "private" I remain if I take that route. 03:03:29 agoradesk allow you to trade BTC and XMR, if these Bitcoiners look at the traders on the XMR side, they might see that they get more trades with time... and if so might also do the XMR ;) 03:03:46 Yeah, it all depend of what methods are available in your country, to exchange the cash. 03:03:57 I think in USA they have a lot of "cash by mail" 03:04:01 for most private 03:04:17 While in Latin America and Russia they will have also some "Cash at ATM" 03:04:49 I wonder.. if the transaction is too big and it's becmoing risky, 03:04:57 how do I make sure that they will actually send the money to me? 03:05:17 I also wonder.. if I'm at an ATM.. how do I make sure that the money will be spit out? 03:05:42 Localmonero.co is reliable but pay attention to trade with reputable trader (or start with small amount when you try a new trader and go up slowly at each new trade) 03:06:39 If cash at ATM is available in your country, usually you press "withdraw without card" and then you type the code... then the cash just flow out. 03:06:39 But again use traders with some feedback and/or with small amount to test the water first. 03:11:38 Stay way from people offering Western union, paypal and other shiet, Theses are usually not local in your country and will often crosspost there offer in all countries. 03:12:01 They are know to be a lot less reliable than real locals 03:12:04 I see.. 03:13:24 and those systems aren't reliable to begin with 03:14:20 I never got any problem with localbitcoins then localmoneros, it really depend of your location and the quality of traders you can access 03:14:51 The one time I got a problem, localbitcoins ruled agains me but then the trader said oups and fixed it... AFTER localbitcoins ruled again me 03:15:41 But yeah, not all countries have high quality traders and some country only have access to these "western union/paypal/kindof/scammers" 03:19:31 I trust you that your experience was overall fine. 03:19:51 But, I mean, much effort has been put into monero, making each step as safe and sound as possible. 03:20:31 But how secure the whole model is is how secure the weakest spot is. 03:20:52 I find that a bit pitiful.. and hope that there's a way to resolve it. 11:15:54 monero -> BTC -> CEX at a crypto-friendly country 11:16:36 bitcoin. the ledger is public 11:16:51 safety guaranteed. monero is hidden, obscured. they will scam you 100% 11:17:50 theres only 3 guys working on monero. kayba, rucknium and plowsof the moderator. thats it. development is slow because of this, unlike the fast speed of bitcoin lightning 11:23:22 <321bob321:monero.social> Lol 11:27:53 plowsof: you got the banhammer? 11:29:00 fcmp coming in 1.5 years minimum. monero will be insecure for another 1.5 years 11:29:03 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/sEtySgokSxYJCudepRWjIpBd 11:29:23 why you trying to scam people sayiing monero is private? it isnt anymore 11:31:07 Can you track my transaction? 11:31:57 i need enough resource to spam the network so no not me but stronger people like government or chain analysis company can do it 11:32:10 So it’s private 11:32:19 no thats a lie 11:32:36 If you can’t do it then it’s private for me 11:32:42 that like saying bitcoin is private because we dont account for chain analysis 11:33:10 you cant trace my bitcoin transactions. all my tx goes through whirlpool and this safe from you. so bitcoin is private for me 11:33:12 You don’t neeed chain analysis account to see txs on blockchain explorer and see inputs and outputs being spent 11:33:30 Good for you, go and use it then 11:34:09 ok. i was just answering question from newcomer. dont want them to get scammed from monero liars saying it 100% private when it not 11:37:36 It is private 11:37:54 Even after spam the probability was less than 20% 11:38:19 yes that probability is higher than using whirpool... 11:38:44 my point still stands, monero shit compared to bitcoin for 1.5 year minimum. until new changes maybe it get better but right now you lying 11:38:54 Go use your rock, don’t waste your time here; we can churn our transactions much faster and cheaper than your retard tools 11:39:20 what happened to only use monero? what happened to it be simple? you have to churn now haha it insecure 11:39:49 liars come to bitcoin community and say it more private. i just exposing bullshit 11:39:55 Gotta stop playing with the clowns. Just slap ‘‘em and keep it moving 11:40:02 Churning monero is using monero 11:40:28 It’s private than your transparent bitcoin, are you retard ? 11:42:15 btc is more private than xmr with less effort now. i agree with you in the past xmr was better but now its weakest point and you lying. you can do the same with bitcoin. buy from dex (like localbitcoin like localmonero) then churn (use whirlpool) with lower pecentage of getting tx exposed... 11:42:22 Im impressed at how many xmr dot ?? Urls there are 11:42:56 You are stupid, plain btc transaction is no where private than plain monero transaction 11:42:56 Churned txs are much more private than your whirlpool txs 11:42:59 with fcmp and seraphis monero will beat bitcoin privay 11:43:07 with fcmp and seraphis monero will beat bitcoin privacy 11:43:22 That is 5-6yrs away and I am not holding breath 11:43:27 your spreading misinformation now. churn can actually hurt privacy. you need to learn how to do it and stop saying it blantant. it not simple 11:43:42 uboe said 1.5 years minimum 11:43:49 ukoe said 1.5 years minimum 11:44:11 Same way you need to learn how to use whirlpool ? Retard go back to your maxi cave 11:44:15 No, go read MRL 11:44:21 no. whirlpool you click one button with a samourai wallet 11:44:33 churn you have to read obscure guide from darknet and maybe it more secure 11:45:28 UkoeHB 11:45:29 It would be less time without a curve change. A FCMP solution for RingCT is at least a 1.5-year endeavor from this point based on the current landscape. Writing papers and reviewing very advanced cryptography takes time, in addition to the dev effort required. 11:45:31 i did 11:45:34 you read nothing clearly 11:45:44 You don’t need to use churn on monero unless you have participated in a Russian attack, but with btc even to hide from me you need to use whirlpool 11:45:45 dave.jp: why you feeding the troll? 11:45:52 I would still not use CEX because sharing an ID is too uncomfortable. Might very well leak. 11:46:14 Seraphis with fcmp, go read again your own words 11:46:43 ok i see you right with seraphis. but even without seraphis it be more private than bitcoin 11:46:44 Bored 11:46:55 so 1.5 year minimum 11:47:14 how im trolling? all im saying is monero is not 100% private and current with btc whirlpool its more private 11:47:22 All time frames in monero land needs to be 2-3x 11:47:41 whirlpool volume increase super after the spam attack 11:47:45 and price went down. i wonder why... 11:47:48 s/monero/software 11:48:14 Price has been going down since 2018 lol 11:48:20 haveno prove this haha 11:48:28 coming out 2022 11:48:32 👍️ 11:48:45 Indeed and I don’t shy away from the fact 11:48:53 But bitcoin is 💩 11:49:24 i agree with this before monero went to its weakest point. bitcoin normally shit but monero is so shit now that bitcoin is valid alternative FOR NOW... 11:49:38 hopefully monero does well. it not like i want to fail im just addressing concerns 11:50:09 Monero has similar attack in 2021 If I remember correctly, you are new here 11:50:32 Monero is reasonably private 11:50:40 We can do 40 ringsize now with a small fee bump and your attacker will have to bleed xmr 11:50:55 Only if these devs wake up lol 11:50:57 not as bad as this. solution take 5 years minimum with seraphis and fmcp or 1.5 years with rngct + ring. thankfortoday situation fork was worst one but this bad as equal 11:51:06 And not go after piped fcmp 11:51:50 Time to change that on getmonero? 11:52:06 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/HWuLxfzlBdekwXnzzixSHSLV 11:52:15 Oh Element got my back! 11:52:40 its okay aremor you can hide from monero vulnerability and wish it safest 11:52:58 but the market prove for now that bitcoin and other even ethereum with tornado cash like getting lots of volume after spam attack 11:54:51 one serious critcism i have. if cbdc ever come - how will monero fight against this? all tx related to monero can be blocked like localmonero can track sellers with the cbdc. how will monero have on/off ramp with cbdc? i always see this situation as good for monero but it seems more bad 11:55:11 only solution i think is mining but the reward so low if someone want lots it wont be enough 11:56:31 nobody is hiding, its discussed in public 11:57:01 where are you getting this data ? charts ? 11:58:05 what ? same way you are using whirlpool ; there will be atomic swaps & on/off ramp to cbdc can be p2p 11:58:32 infact whirpool txs will be banned by kyc exchanges if they already havent 11:58:48 lets say all have to be on cbdc. even if p2p the owner of cbdc can block accounts who transact with monero if they suspicious enough 11:59:13 how are they going to know what was sent for monero ? lol 11:59:20 that "bitcoin is gold" person looks like the persistent troll that visits Monero rooms and channels for a few days now 11:59:50 For a while it's fun, but then becomes a bit tedious 11:59:58 all sellers on localmonero are public? it easier to create fake mole like fed and get the bank id or cbdc of someone. also if seller want to cash out they have to give reason... 12:00:15 same way banks dont know what you have sent a tx for, cbdc wouldnt know they can see just you sent to xyz acc 12:00:34 they have their cbdc or banking details public ? 12:00:51 i got something perfect for you 12:01:25 i need to find post. someone seller on localmonero withdrew their profits to bank and they found out. they closed his account and sued him 12:01:30 ther is nothing to see, same issue you will have cashing out your whirlpool btcs 12:01:34 this isnt even cbdc just bank 12:02:16 so no one wins? 12:02:17 yes same banks also banned localbitcoin accounts 12:02:20 im not saying whirpool is perfect. i said it was only better than monero FOR NOW 12:02:34 we stay in xmr, we dont need your fiat onramps 12:02:48 only retad bitcoiners need fiat offramps 12:02:54 how is someone going to get into xmr in the first place if they cant buy because their no seller? 12:03:06 buy/sell goods/services 12:03:09 Rbrunner I tried to get plowsof on the banhammer. Could have fixed this early before all the spam got out 12:03:27 yes good point. circular economy 12:03:45 obviously xmr needs to go there and not suck dick like btc did with banks 12:03:48 bitcoin is different to monero. it will be 100% compliant in future 12:04:08 bitcoin is cucked 12:04:15 yes and i dont care 12:04:30 no you do care, thats why you came here lol 12:04:44 nobody will accept your tainted coins 12:04:45 while ppl will stil transact in xmr 12:04:47 i still like both bicoin and monero 12:05:07 i dont need tainted. all my btc is kyc and from cex not darknet like you i presume 12:05:19 good for you, now go to sleep 12:05:42 i dont have a single tainted btc, its all clean xmr 12:05:42 and not all cex block whirlpool 12:05:48 soon 12:05:50 only normie cex do that 12:05:53 it's not a zero sum game 12:06:07 there will be no non-normied cex 12:06:18 you like darknet. if btc go down then so does monero. all darknet withdraw to bitcoin or other clearnet coin 12:06:25 there will be no non-normie cex 12:06:37 the volume increase from whirlpool prove it 12:06:38 are you retard ? you dont need dnm to use monero 12:06:54 only retard vendors cashout their xmr to btc and usdt 12:07:15 they will regret soon 12:07:17 ok good night 12:07:18 you know nothing 12:07:29 and you do, bcoz you are one of those tainted bitcoiner 12:07:41 for darknet vendors the liquidity of xmr not enough 12:07:46 some of the biggest one 12:07:57 they have to withdraw with other means. i wont describe it but it with clearnet coin 12:08:03 liqudiity to what ? fiat or btc ? lol 12:08:09 soon they wont be able to use that fiat 12:08:12 from xmr -> fiat 12:08:34 and will have to use xmr circularly 12:08:42 Is it time we get yet another troll in the room? 12:08:49 fiat dead in a couple of years, only left with cbdc 12:09:40 I just did a tx 12:09:43 find it 12:10:00 same 12:10:04 find mine with whirlpool :) 12:10:27 so it's not broken 12:10:31 not now but 30 mins ago exactly. if whirlpool so bad track me 12:10:33 great \o/ 12:10:48 i said it broken but you need lots of resource to spam network again. government or chain analysis can break it not me 12:10:48