00:09:18 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Consider E2EE cloud and physical storage to manage this scenario in the future 00:20:25 I have a seafile instance and was already backing up everything 00:20:44 I set up a new operating system on another usb, did some work on it, but did not back it up 01:55:58 <321bob321:monero.social> Jeffro installing botnet in script \o/ 04:25:01 I read it before running it 😄 04:25:27 I was able to successfully recover the wallet I was looking for after trying all of them. Thank you very much jeffro 06:51:47 <321bob321:monero.social> give that man a pay rise 09:16:53 Can anyone recommend a good hoster for running a monerod? 09:17:32 15-20 Euro / 18-22 USD 09:36:01 Silly 10:36:10 i like servers.guru but not sure if you can get that low, especially with a full node 10:36:19 mabye 30€ 10:39:53 Thx. I'll have a look at servers.guru. 10:54:11 I found this one. A root server with AMD EPYC™ 9634 16 GB DDR5 RAM (ECC) 8 Core 512 GB NVMe SSD. 17 € https://www.netcup.de 11:13:34 kyun.host is actually at 50% off (cpus and ram) in the United States. XMR only 11:14:05 if you choose your spec and by it now, the price will stay the same for lifetime 11:14:10 buy* 11:16:38 8 GB, 4vCPUs, 200GB of SSD for 9.8€/month 12:24:17 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Get an old laptop or OLIMEX SBC and connect it to the internet with proxy set to tor and providing an onion service 12:24:52 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> assuming you don't want to mine 12:26:52 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> For me i got the laptop for free and it costs me ~20 EUR **per year** to run it 12:27:23 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> For me i got the laptop for free and it costs me ~20 EUR **PER YEAR** to run it 12:29:41 * m-relay <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> has net zero so he makes his own electricity, but calculated on the average cost of kwh in the EU 12:32:31 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Optionally you can use mine for free: `dreoj4h6fzwitg6fru4tm4cgmpnfikxnd2b6nf4gcpeux2v2pntfdzid.onion:18081` 12:32:32 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> The configuration of the machine is open-source for review and contribution: https://github.com/Kreyren/nixos-config/blob/WORK-IN-PROGRESS/machines/mracek/configuration.nix#L31-L38 12:32:33 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> And the server is always on 12:35:14 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Optionally you can use mine for free: `dreoj4h6fzwitg6fru4tm4cgmpnfikxnd2b6nf4gcpeux2v2pntfdzid.onion:18081` 12:35:15 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> The configuration of the machine is open-source for review and contribution or requests for adjustments: https://github.com/Kreyren/nixos-config/blob/WORK-IN-PROGRESS/machines/mracek/configuration.nix#L31-L38 12:35:16 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> And the server is always on 13:55:38 just synced a backup node from the beginning 13:55:49 0.18.3.3 13:56:01 17.5 hrs 13:56:47 I believe it took 9.5hrs to get thru the checkpoints and 8 hrs after that 13:57:52 the increased time without checkpoints I assume is due to verification with the bottleneck being not using enough of the CPU 13:58:17 around 4% peaking at 6% CPU 13:58:31 so like 1 thread 14:00:07 internet and SSD had headroom 14:00:58 wen multithreaded? <3 14:16:23 mine syncing real slow rn. not sure whats going on 🧐 14:24:33 9.5 hrs was thru ~block 3,103.000 and then 8hrs from there to 3,157,905 14:24:44 so about 55,000 blocks 15:04:03 nioCat: new release soon™ with new checkpoints 15:46:19 Hello Monerochannel, here is a short info to those who lurk or post in monero-general on /biz/ board of 4chan. 15:46:34 By 2026 15:46:46 Due to /biz/ enforcing email credentials to post on /biz/ the general has migrated to /bant/ 15:47:52 I do not think /xmr/ general will either be baked nor be lurked on /biz/ ever again. 15:48:34 Other based sister generals like /CMMG/, /SMG/ and /PMG/ have also migrated to /bant/ 15:49:19 If you can, please spread this information on other xmr related channels on matrix. 15:50:50 Created this account just to share this information about xmrg on /biz/. 15:51:15 Can someone please ACK? thanks. 15:52:10 Goodbye then! 15:56:12 don't recommend anyone to visit 4chan, or you will become retarded 16:13:07 it is something like " don't use everyday AI or you will became retarded" :D 16:15:04 nah, it is actually proven. 4chan is full of FUD 16:15:23 and misinfo 18:58:03 4chan is great for some kind of content, such as stable diffusion guides and such 19:01:29 son, what? 19:26:18 /biz/ is shit but now there is less spam I guess 19:26:27 I don't see how email is that much more sybil resistant 19:27:03 I remember seeing a forum called notabug which was proof-of-work based, it was interesting but I think someone developed a GPU miner and took over the site 19:28:09 /g/ is cool sometimes 19:28:44 uh yeah the good thing about that site is that they always post the bittorrent links whenever something cool leaks 19:28:53 I remember the valve leaks and the llama leaks 19:29:07 with any other site it gets DMCA'd too quickly 19:31:22 /wsg/ is also interesting, still very offensive but in a way it's like old youtube because posts are limited by filesize. they really know how to get the most out of ffmpeg/vp9 19:32:52 I'll have to check it out sometime 21:05:15 I can't find Snex in this group anymore, but I'm wondering if XPG (https://github.com/snex/xpg) sends a callback for failed payments (and in a similar format to succesful payments) 21:05:51 ``` 21:05:52 { 21:05:53 "status": "payment_complete" 21:05:54 } 21:05:55 ``` 21:05:56 Is the succesful payment response, so I'm wondering if there's a response for failed payments like: 21:05:57 ``` 21:05:58 { 21:05:59 "status": "payment_failed" 21:06:00 } 21:06:01 ``` 21:06:44 I'd assume so since I have to give it an expiration time to work with, but I don't mind checking this periodically to update any failed payments 21:08:09 make an issue on the repo or message @snex:matrix.xens.org 21:09:20 I'll see if I can do that, ty 22:03:34 Weird (but actually kinda important) question: would it be remotely possible to create a lightweight wallet that runs on a 6502 processor? 22:03:35 The wallet won’t be a node, just a mobile wallet like Cake or otherwise. Assume that the connection from the 6502 processor to the remote node isn’t an issue (unless the bandwidth requirements for syncing to a node would be an issue for the ancient boi) 22:03:36 Also also, assume that the wallet won’t ever have to sync more than 263k blocks (1 year), or less in case that’s too much 22:06:40 Impossible. At 1 MHz, a proper network stack couldn't even work. 8 bit registers are out of business for any C compiler these days. 16 bit addressing imply the chip can at most handle 65 KB of physical memory. A single RPC call would crush that amount 22:07:09 Context: I’m trying to think of ways to create rly cheap transaction hardware. The concept I’m thinking of atm would be a compact machine with a small lcd showing wallet/transaction info. It would have a small NFC (or smth) transmitter that could interact with local “registers” (a node). The wallet could then receive payment info, send a payment to the “register”, whic 22:07:09 h could then verify that the payment is valid, and then everyone can get on their way 👍 22:10:10 There are many pros to this: you (purchaser) wouldn’t need an internet connection to make payments; the device could be cheaply made and only have a small amount of xmr (think like a prepaid card). The register runner would be able to quickly verify a transaction’s validity without worrying about chargebacks or anything else, and may even be able to contribute to the network v 22:10:11 ia mining (maybe, probably not) 22:11:30 Tl;Dr It would make Monero accessible to those without stable network or smart device access, and would make it (somewhat) more palatable for local sellers to accept Monero for transactions 22:11:36 In theory, all you need is your seed and a list of outputs (and data) that belong to your wallet. Once you have those, you can craft a transaction. However, this means you hardware will need to sync at some point 22:12:50 Plus if the wallet can be mass produced using cheap/legacy off-shelf parts, donating these to in-need communities may even be on the table 22:13:11 oh 22:13:15 he is on matrixorg 22:14:00 It all comes down to the two big questions: 22:14:00 1. How cheaply/simply can a XMR wallet be made? 22:14:01 2. How cheaply/simply can a XMR node be made? 22:14:02 prelandhttps://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240415 22:15:17 I answered your first question on monero.social side but since matrix is batching every instances... 22:15:33 Preferably a local node would be better, as the sheer scale at which this would be done might make this solution more difficult 22:15:51 Plus most vendors wouldn’t want to mess with cloud stuff 22:15:52 Heck, I barely want to mess with cloud stuff 22:16:33 Yeah, the matrix->irc->matrix hasn’t been working as well recently I’ve noticed 22:40:34 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> wallet: 5 EUR using hardware files from OLIMEX to use A20/A64 SoC last time i checked, just never figured out how i want it to work 22:40:35 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Node: never checked 22:40:39 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and like.. paper monero is a thing 23:05:46 Paper wallet is interesting, but is actually the opposite of what I am thinking 23:07:11 I was thinking more along the lines of a “temporary” account which you only send a small amount into for a short period of time (think like a classical prepaid card), as opposed to an ultra-cold wallet like a paper wallet 23:09:27 That way you wouldn’t have to worry about losing your entire XMR net worth if you are mugged; imagine if getting mugged would cause your entire everything to get stolen; not a good idea, and giving the wallets an “expiration date” (not truly an expiration, as you could continue using the wallet past the date, it would just require a different device) 23:10:47 A 5 EUR device sounds pretty affordable; would that be for a prototyping device? 23:11:40 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 5 EUR per device assuming 20 made iirc 23:12:23 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> You can get a credit card that can be charged with monero 23:13:15 Hmm; would this be a customized credit card? I hadn’t thought about that possibility lol 23:13:40 Yeah that would be a pretty good starting point 23:13:48 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> pre-paid one usually if you want without KYC 23:14:06 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i would recommend asking the pre-paid card company to send you the data with which you will program your card instead tbh 23:14:19 Oh are you just referring to purchasing a traditional card with XMR? 23:14:37 Hmm 23:15:06 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> You will get XMR->FIAT e.g. 200 EUR credit card that is pre-paid KYC-Free 23:15:27 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> there are options to get direct XMR->FIAT on purchase as well 23:16:09 I am aware of that; I’m trying to think of ways that circumvent fiat entirely 23:16:41 If the only way to feasibly use Monero is to swap it for fiat, then it isn’t really a currency: it’s a currency mixer 23:16:47 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Tell the people who you are buying from to accept XMR 23:18:51 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/jMVbQMRPAv3VFDmMkQfpjHRxHkHvhDxY 23:18:53 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> xmrscott: hey what the fuck? 23:19:39 (Insert the CloudFlare dance meme here) 23:20:25 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> like if you want a physical thing you can always generate a QR code with the amount for people to scan 23:20:59 getmonero is behing ddos protection racket?!? 23:21:00 Did not know until now lol 23:21:56 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i use random fingerprint browser that runs in a VM, triggers cloudflare with a very high rate usually as cloudflare won't let you in unless it can fingerprint you 23:21:57 Anyone having trouble getting monero moved to their wallet from monero.com 23:22:12 Localmonero.com 23:22:20 Theres a 10 hour backlog of txs apparently 23:22:50 I think automatic fee wouldnt have saved you this time 23:22:54 From there localmonero.com to their waller? Normally it takes about 20 min 23:22:56 Yes 23:23:01 @5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de: don't you know that cloudflare owns the internet now? 23:23:25 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> need me to dedicate my infra to mining monero? 23:23:28 Just have to wait it out before your tx is mined 23:23:37 10 hour backlog? 23:23:42 mining does nothing to improve transaction confirmation time 23:23:50 this is a common misconception 23:23:56 I'm on hour 3 23:24:03 Little does cloudflare know that their little fingerprinting trick will become useless in less than two years once we reach the internet singularity 23:24:17 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> more mining -> faster processing of txs? 23:24:19 it's almost as if the mining difficulty were designed to enforce a minimum transaction confirmation time 23:24:37 oh my, again ! 23:24:41 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/qNNqdomhuGpfeCqfYiaSfmvq 23:24:49 This shit happened a few weeks ago 23:24:59 I was going to disagree, until I realized you are right😂 23:24:59 It’s an increasing block time that would increase *initial* confirmation time 23:25:14 processing txs is done in milliseconds. 23:25:24 I was going to disagree, until I realized you are right😂 23:25:25 It’s an increasing block time that would decrease* initial confirmation time 23:25:35 that's not the point of mining 23:25:42 yes this is true, for the first few blocks 23:25:52 but on average it has no effect 23:26:03 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So nothing i can do with ~147 cores @ ~3.8GHz? 23:26:18 Nope; give ‘‘em all to me 😂 23:26:28 how much ram ? 23:26:36 Unreal always when u need it or don't have the time for this shit - damn I wish I knew more like some of you guys 23:26:40 Why do you have so many cores at that clock speed lol 23:26:46 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I plan on providing them for scientific research actually 23:27:13 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> not nearly enough to utilize all cores efficiently 23:27:23 Not they are doing mostly 146/2 at "normal" fees 23:27:24 Meaning each block do not contain a lot of TX... 23:27:25 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/cfRYbCRjKOVHvRjhJEwURmOD 23:27:27 sad. then SETI@home it should be 23:27:37 Yeah, the transaction flooding is kinda annoying 23:27:37 It also shows some of the centralization issues in the ecosystem (ie le cakewallet) 23:27:43 * m-relay <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> has those cores separated across multiple systems that he's trying to set up to do distributed compilations 23:27:53 @5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBC-nXj3Ng4 is a good introduction. (most) cryptocurrencies have a system in place to keep the block times stable independent of the network hashrate, called a "difficulty adjustment algorithm" 23:27:55 Good idea actually 23:28:30 So long as it isn’t trying to access memory across systems it should be fine lol 23:28:43 @5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de: try BOINC 23:28:49 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> basically getting a bunch of broken laptop mainboards, fixing them, hooking them to PSU and running them headless and managed through nix :D 23:28:53 look up Gridcoin if thats still a thing 23:29:02 oh another thing you can do is mine vanity keys 23:29:11 thats what I would do if I had a PC like that 23:29:42 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> The problem with using these is that they eat electricity like crazy 23:30:03 Funnily enough I actually mined a vanity key for myself using my old MacBook; took 3 days straight 23:30:10 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so it's not really economical to mine monero or do anything for money atm 23:30:32 Tbf it’s never economical to mine Monero 23:30:39 Render farm? Idk 23:30:51 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and vanity key generators doesn't seem to support distributed building anyway (it's spread across like 20 systems) 23:30:56 @preland:matrix.org: I was trying to mine a long tor vanity key for a while, I even bought an external GPU and tried to port the code to opencl 23:31:08 How long 💀 23:31:10 Oh here is a good one 23:31:19 Shane, you can 51% attack smaller cryptocurrencies 23:31:20 Also the vanity key I mined was actually for monero xD 23:31:28 😂 23:31:31 especially if you can port their algo from CPU to FPGA 23:31:35 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I wish it was.. it would be great to just exchange electricity for XMR and pay the XMR through electrical bill 23:32:05 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is that a lambo strategy? 23:32:08 https://github.com/hinto-janai/monero-vanity 23:32:14 @5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de: idk never tried it 23:32:18 Ikr; I’m predicting that something has to give with the network—probably transaction fees are going to rise 23:32:21 but there will be a lot of drama 23:32:44 Not if he uses i2p 23:33:05 That should actually never be the case. If XMR was profitable to mine, then the PoW would have no interest 23:33:06 And waits long enough for this convo to disappear into the IRC/matrix aether 23:33:27 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hmm free mastodon followers you say 23:33:28 is it illegal? 23:33:39 it might be against the terms of service of whatever exchange you rip off 23:33:59 Tbh I think it would be hilarious to just 51% attack random shitcoins on CoinGecko’s “trending” list 23:34:11 the problem is that all the scamcoins are PoS these days 23:34:14 I wasn’t thinking of 51%ing an exchange 23:34:24 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> like you can make XMR profitable, but you need solar panels and decent system 23:34:40 PoS is a PoS way of proof 😉 23:35:05 It’s literally the Ponzi scheme that they claim all of crypto is 23:36:06 well the thing with 51% attacks is that you profit by reversing a transaction. Like if I buy a sandwich from you for 5 XMR, and then after confirmation blocks you give me the sandwich, and I spin up all my miners to publish a bunch of blocks with a churn transaction that contradicts it. So I end up with a sandwich and 5 XMR. 23:36:19 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> might actually be a good project to just get a solar panel and see how much XMR profit i can get from it through 1 system 23:36:45 Can you undervolt the cpus? Cuz you are gonna have to find out if you go the solar route 23:37:44 like in order to profit you need some merchant willing to do a massive exchange for something they won't be able to take back. like an cryptocurrency exchange. So it's really the exchanges that suffer from unstable cryptocurrencies 23:38:18 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> afaik you can on the MSI PRO Z690-A with coreboot 23:38:51 I’d say that 51% attacks (on tokens) are completely legal 23:38:52 Technically the network is running exactly as intended—no one had thought about what that meant yet though 23:39:37 You can’t even make the argument of illegal systems access since it’s a public blockchain 23:40:29 but you can do it with less than 51% of the hashrate. in theory it's possible with just 30% of the hashrate to get lucky. also a more fun 51% attack is that you can spam the network with empty blocks and just freeze it or do fee racketeering. 23:40:35 Plus who’s going to complain? A DAO that isn’t recognized by any country? A corporation that is unlicensed in all jurisdictions and is outright illegal in most for selling unregistered securities? 23:41:13 preland: yeah I would like to think that way, but bitcoiners are kind of a special interest group in the USA and have gotten the government to recognize cryptocurrency theft as theft and cryptocurrency as property 23:41:29 it's kind of a parasitic use of taxpayer money to support bitcoin 23:41:37 Imagine griefing an entire blockchain by just pushing the entire Bible in ASCII repeatedly 23:41:56 @preland:matrix.org: yeah it would be badass 23:42:40 But once again, in those cases that would be illegal access (ie stealing private keys); that wouldn’t be applicable for a public blockchain 23:42:59 I actually have a crazy idea for an exploit you could do on bitcoin network, but it would take a ton of capital, on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bitcoin 23:43:12 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and probably the first thing that happens to monero when quantum computers get in the hand of any democratic government as PoW will become PoS~ :p 23:43:25 @preland:matrix.org: hmm I suppose so 23:43:34 Admittedly I’m not a lawyer, so don’t take my advice, but like 23:43:35 I personally doubt legal repercussion would occur 23:44:03