00:00:22 I was about to say that there could be some unique attack vectors involving market liquidity control 00:00:27 you couldn't enforce a 1:1 transaction rate between the forks is what I mean. It's essentially just having a bunch of separate cryptocurrencies with the same tech. Like how litecoin is a fork of bitcoin 00:00:38 Yeah 00:00:46 ….but what if you could? 00:01:01 ever heard of drivechains? 00:01:06 Could you just change the atomic swap code to just….not allow rate changes 😂 00:01:12 Oh wait yeah lol 00:01:51 drivechains are kinda dumb. they are mostly designed to solve the problem of bitcoiners not wanting to hard fork 00:02:11 Yeah 00:02:49 Although that could be a potential solution for some issues in this “Monero universe” scenario 00:02:50 Tbh I kinda like that idea 00:03:32 Once any given fork reaches a “critical mass” it can split into multiple forks, each of which corresponds to a given physical region 00:03:48 yeah I keep thinking of ways to make cryptocurrencies scale, and it always comes to that 00:04:06 yeah you would want physical regions because of latency 00:04:06 Ofc this comes with the downside that it becomes much easier to 51% any given fork 00:04:31 preland: not if you do merge mining 00:04:45 Hmm 00:05:31 the problem is that merge mining prevents the individual regions from having block times for their local latency 00:05:49 basicially their transactions have to synchronize across the global network (to miners everywhere) instead of their local miners 00:06:34 Maybe there could be a global “overseer” fork that connects into all the forks and makes sure they are all doing good? 00:06:44 And it only intervenes if something goes wrong 00:06:58 Ehh but then we get back to the beginning 😂💀 00:07:39 Jesus if the banking sector could’ve been trusted this whole mess would’ve been a whole lot easier lol 00:08:09 @preland:matrix.org: you could merge mine every couple of blocks 00:09:08 you kind of need to do merge mining for CPU cryptocurrencies or the users of the dominant cryptocurrency can 51% attack any smaller one. This is one of the reasons I like monero: the cryptocurrency with the largest CPU hashrate is the only one that gets to do CPU mining safely. It's not like ASICs which are specialized 00:09:25 although there are some exceptions. you can specialize CPU mining a little bit 00:09:38 Yeah 00:09:57 I still think Monero can be “ASIC’d”, though not in the normal sense 00:10:16 You’d just have to create an SoC with the optimal amount of cache, Ram, etc. 00:10:45 It has been tried 00:11:13 But probably not hard enough 00:11:13 Why? No financial incentive to do so (for now) 00:12:14 If Monero were to take off (I mean TAKE off), I doubt that Intel, AMD, AND NVidia would ignore it 00:12:40 Especially not AMD since they already basically corner the XMR mining market with the Threadripper 00:13:12 oh you havent heard 00:13:29 https://www.viperatech.com/product/bitmain-antminer-monero-xmr/ 00:13:30 there was a good blogpost about this, great read 00:14:56 Oh yeah I did hear about that 00:15:08 Wasn’t it a big disappointment or smth 00:15:11 yeah 00:15:17 riscv is more efficient 00:15:29 you can do even more by designing the instruction set around RandomX 00:15:33 I mean antminer making an XMR rig is hilarious 00:15:59 but the problem is economies of scale 00:16:03 CPUs rely on massive economies of scale to be competitive 00:16:19 Plus the RandomX devs will be able to change the algo faster than you can fab (unless you do it in secret) 00:16:28 oh yeah that is funny 00:16:31 true 00:16:51 Un “AS”s your ASIC 00:16:55 we could also just fork it like cryptonight, but the problem is that it will be more generic, so its possible they could fix it in firmware 00:17:06 the cryptonight bricks are still funny to this day 00:17:23 Yeah xD 00:18:18 I hope quantum resistance is on the radar of RandomX 00:19:11 It’ll be hard to fork XMR if 99.9%+ of the hashrate is controlled by some random intern at Google 00:20:20 quantum pcs have nothing to do with randomx 00:20:55 quantum computerss have nothing to do with randomx 00:22:47 I assume most hash functions are pretty quantum resistant but idk 00:23:16 hashes are resistant in general 00:23:32 the ones in danger are mostly asymmetric ones 00:32:19 oh here it is 00:32:20 https://www.moneroworld.com/x5_writeup.html 00:32:23 good read 00:37:48 Apple and Signal have done it already so far 00:38:36 @aremor:matrix.org: for encryption I presume 00:38:45 not zero-knowlege proofs 00:39:48 Dynamic block sizes don’t scale? 00:41:38 @aremor:matrix.org: not if your transactions are like a kilobyte each 00:42:33 but if it makes you feel better zcash has the same problem 00:59:26 I don't know how to break this to you, but I'm not Core 01:01:20 And therefore have no control over whatever happens to getmonero infrastructure. 01:02:05 scales slow and attack is on purpose kept limited to make user experience bad 01:07:38 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> sorry for the ping then, do you know who to curse with czech insults in that case? 01:31:24 The Void. I can access the generator via Tor Browser on the non-onion address without getting flagged by CF right now. Perhaps getmonero was under some DDoS strain at the time you accessed if we're also seeing a Monero network attack 01:41:53 The only real way to mitigate DDoS attacks is by having a static HTML + CSS website with as few bloat (preferrably none) as possible. Or otherwise upgrade your server specs or network capacity. 01:42:46 I have never used CF or any other CDN provider before, and I have yet to experience a DDoS. 01:45:23 how come there's been >20 tx a block lately and there's 1500 tx in the mempool 01:46:18 be ready for wave of salty users, who would have double sent txs while unable to see their txs on xmrchain.net lol 01:46:34 many of those are max size txs so the mempool is large 01:47:22 there are many other explorers, why would you check only one? 01:48:28 3 large txs and several regular txs get into each block rn 01:49:01 very good explorer https://p2pool.io/explorer/ 01:52:47 my mempool has 3500+ tx , while xmrchain shows only 1485 🤔 01:53:42 <321bob321:monero.social> Sus 01:54:09 I think xmrchain may have added a parameter to not show txs after a certain amount of time 01:54:43 nioCat: ah thanks 01:54:52 yw :) 01:55:56 thanks cat, for p2pool.io link 01:56:05 np 01:56:26 <321bob321:monero.social> When xmrcatpool.io? 01:56:33 I sent tx at min fee cause imma going to sleep soon anyway 01:56:51 <321bob321:monero.social> Sleep when dead 01:57:16 no sleep is ok when young 01:58:13 bob, Cat has too much down time :D 01:59:42 but node has no issues 03:31:40 is this an organic spam attack? 03:31:44 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ff.io is down is there alternative service that will do XMR->BTC? 03:33:16 Trocador 03:33:41 Nothing organic about such spam, single entity doing similar pattern tx 03:34:26 * m-relay <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is just waiting for the family restaurant owner who accepts tips in XMR to realize that he's choking monerochan 03:35:55 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that seems to work, thanks <3 03:36:00 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that seems to work, arigato <3 03:36:47 I'm noticing that the three 100Kb txs being mined each block aren't appearing in the txpool beforehand 03:37:40 there are handful of 100kb max fee paying txs in the pool for ~20mins and they aren't being mined. Instead 3 big txs which were never there get in ahead of them 03:37:42 badjabber look at p2pool explorer 03:37:48 k 03:37:52 maybe that's better 03:38:05 i was using xmrchain.net 03:38:42 Xmrchain is cucked even legit pending txs don’t show up , whoever runs it should fix it 03:39:27 ah ok that would explain it. I was thinking a miner was creating the big txs and privately mining them without broadcasting or something :p 03:42:23 Why isn’t any miner ignoring this big sized txs and mining other txs ? Will clean up backlog in an hour or two 05:31:05 i hope core uses all these donations for a good purpose 05:31:26 like making the network more secure and decentralized 06:03:31 <321bob321:monero.social> They can use it to update to 20.04 06:24:38 dave.jp https://p2pool.io/explorer/ shows all transactions 06:36:27 They need to spend that xmr on optimising monerod , both p2p and cpu utilisation 06:36:46 Fcmp and research can go on in parallel with ccs funds 06:38:38 RPC 06:38:58 RPC is what cause CPU issue. 06:38:59 Node can be in full p2p more and if have no RPC connection, will be mostly idle 06:39:40 It's why personal nodes don't have issue 06:39:43 Yes, I was saying one of the mining pool needs to ignore these big fat txs and not include in the blocks they mine 06:40:29 I meant multi threaded cpu utilisation 06:40:50 hmm 06:40:54 Yeah, for the RPC code. That should be almost the priority lol 06:41:03 My node on p2pool.io runs just fine, but there are no wallets using it 06:42:33 Synced 2 wallets just to test it, it went without a hitch 06:42:48 Yeah, p2p totally fine I think 06:43:00 btw it looks like general fund received a 700 XMR donation today (view wallet was one of the 2 I synced) 06:43:06 once you start having a lot of wallet connecting to the now, it's where it pop 06:43:16 s/now/node/g 06:44:16 https://p2pool.io/explorer/myoutputs/6403fa730e687ec29f429c08709792d0eca709421bf095c9f39e9960da1a135e/888tNkZrPN6JsEgekjMnABU4TBzc2Dt29EPAvkRxbANsAnjyPbb3iQ1YBRk1UXcdRsiKc9dhwMVgN5S9cQUiyoogDavup3H/f359631075708155cc3d92a32b75a7d02a5dcf27756707b47a2b31b21c389501 06:44:38 dave.jp 06:44:39 Node talk to each other using P2P 06:44:40 Wallet talk to node using RPC (and also other tools that talk to the node will usually use RPC, except things like monero onion explorer... that one can read the LMDB directly I think) 06:44:49 Plenty of users facing txs failure and unable to spend it again, on wallet rescan those txs were missing but could be found in p2pool explorer 06:44:50 It’s pretty fucked up experience for users 06:45:02 Interestingly, the Onion Blockchain Explorer uses more CPU than my node :D 06:45:08 Nice donation lol, that's the best flood ever 06:45:25 but still not so much CPU 06:48:52 Wonder if they found a bug or making so much money using monero that they can afford to donate such amounts 06:49:37 naaa, it's not much money for any whate that need monero to be improved 06:49:45 whale* 06:50:20 How much has been donated in last few weeks ? 06:51:00 A lot compared to normally but still less than 1M afaik 06:51:40 1M is a considerable amount 06:52:08 We don’t even have devs that can be paid this much 😂 06:52:31 No lack of funding, but devs are still missing 06:52:54 1M is nothing for actualy crypto whales 06:53:21 they can afford to flood GF with domations 06:53:36 Donating 1M is a good amount , there might be bitcoin billionaires 06:54:02 I assume that one of them noticed how the bitcoin is going to get scammed with more and more KYC at every corner and now just want monero to success or something... 06:54:31 Grin had 100btc donation 06:55:10 I know plenty of them from my ex trading room. 06:55:10 People often lose more than 1M on a stupid trade... so 06:55:15 If monero gets such a donation and is able to get enough devs, we might have a better product 06:55:37 That's the idea 06:55:53 I agree 06:56:33 100 btc would be >50000xmr 06:57:45 Enough to fund all current devs for next decade and add a few more on the way 06:58:36 Enough to fund all current devs for couple of years and add a few more on the way 06:59:08 Exactly 06:59:56 Let’s see if core does anything or just sits on these funds 07:05:23 2023 transparency report https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu9/monero_general_fund_transparency_report_march_2023/ 07:06:20 contributions to the ccs listed here https://repo.getmonero.org/binaryFate 07:20:34 I like to keep myself a little bit somewhat up to date with the current market. I only recently found out that monero has been removed from major crypto exchange. 07:21:04 it's ridiculous 07:23:15 The only thing that concerns me about this is that it might deter businesses from using xmr (although even then they might swap foe another crypto and then use the exchanges they're used to). 07:24:22 You're right 07:24:37 I wonder how did this affect xmr's rate 07:25:50 Last time with Binance iirc it did drop the price, but it did go back to normal. Idk about now. 07:26:54 also, the recent attack on the blockchain. I bet it's a state actor 07:27:38 I feel like monero is something which bitcoin was meant to be. 07:27:52 since its untracable 07:29:15 I would not rely on untraceability for serious things tbh, just because you can never be sure anything is flawless abd would stay flawless. But it is more than enough for my usecase! 07:31:10 But I thought that is the point D: 07:34:53 Yes, it is. I just would not rely on it as a single line of defense for something serious - as you always should with any tech. 07:35:54 Although it does seem that it is effectively untraceable for transactions that would not spark special interest - like my domain payment) 07:36:33 hmm. I see. okay 07:38:09 Used to be stable. Now the price jumping hardcore 07:38:55 One of the good thing about monero is that I don't have to pay a lot for transaction 07:38:56 > <@m-relay:monero.social> Last time with Binance iirc it did drop the price, but it did go back to normal. Idk about now. 07:38:56 Used to be stable. Now the price jumping around hardcore 07:39:46 Except by the time it goes through 10 confirmations the value could have dropped more than BTC transaction fee 07:40:02 Its that unstable 07:41:22 I am confused. m-relay a bridge between matrix or something and irc 07:48:08 is m-relay a bridge? 07:51:12 yes 07:51:19 it is the monero relay / matrix relay 07:51:26 towards monero.social rooms 08:04:16 I have only used it for around a year, but the price has been fairly stable iirc. 08:35:46 I see. Thank you for clearing that up. 08:36:45 Long time btw BlueyHealer I completely forgot 08:37:28 I still didn't get in animeZ lol 11:57:42 Can we create another channel so we can have a circle jerk about BTC? 12:09:23 nah 13:03:21 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> image.png 13:04:45 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> What's this? https://moneromarket.io/ 13:05:09 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> found it while looking for angry monerochan on that BTC talk they made a nice graphic to promote it on reddit 13:08:57 yes, irc-matrix bridge 13:09:40 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > 1 oz Silver -- 6.10 XMR 13:09:40 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> wtf 13:12:31 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Is that actually legit? I have a lot of electronics that i plan on selling through bazzars that i could instead list on there to accept XMR 14:03:39 kek 14:03:42 yeah thats mine 14:04:46 the price comes more from it being limited run waifu silver than the actual material 14:10:24 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ah oke 14:10:48 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is that monero market working fine? And how's the process of selling something? 14:11:32 well it said it was sold, i chatted with the buyer to clear some stuff up about the shipping and now im waiting for the package to arrive 14:12:02 ive actually sold something before and at least the escrow option worked well 14:12:12 havent tried the multisig option 14:13:47 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hmm i see.. I am going to try sell some small there to see how reliable it is 🤔 14:13:50 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> thanks for info 16:11:51 probably won't get many sales but you can put them on moneromarket and ebay at the same time :) 16:15:53 I was wondering why most monero peoples here immediately disavow the idea of a drivechain…. I think I found why 💀 https://github.com/drivechain-project/drivechain.info/blob/gh-pages/projects/zcash-vs-monero.txt 16:17:09 Their reasoning is valid in some places, but it is only valid if you assume you want to turn Monero into a BTC drivechain 16:17:09 I don’t think anyone here has genuinely proposed that, for obvious reasons 16:31:07 > Sidechain-ification would not help us emulate these core advantages. Since they are social (ie, they are not something in Monero's software code). 16:31:08 Author is wrong about Monero but I can't really say its his fault, I can understand why from someone exterior, the Monero community is summarized by DNMs. 16:33:34 privacy by default not being the final goal is a bad approach that undermine the principle of least privilege. But it's all about people experience, life, that determine if they value one more than the other. Hopefully the author change its mind about that point 16:36:30 >Monero community: 16:36:31 >* is more focused on DNMs 16:36:32 what this guy is smoking 16:37:25 >How can you say that zCash is better???>!?!? Don't you know that Darknet markets use Monero??? 16:37:26 agree with that quote being dumb asf 16:38:11 that means if DNMs die, Monero dies too 17:13:43 is this a good channel to ask about xmrig problems? 17:16:36 recently its been crashing with 'terminated by signal SIGKILL (forced quit)' anyone know how to make it give a more informative error message? 17:34:50 Hello everyone, I've been using Monero for the past couple of days and I find it quite interesting and decentralized. I'm new to Matrix and would love to interact with Monero users and devs. Could someone please let me know if general discussions are allowed in this room, or if I should join another room? Thanks! 18:24:17 This is the general Monero discussions room, yep. There's also a 'space' over at: https://matrix.to/#/#monerospace:monero.social 18:24:28 which, confusingly, has the same name as this room 18:24:46 Spaces are bundles of rooms, similar in UX as a Discord server or Telegram forum thingy 18:54:51 https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/04/man-indicted-in-cryptojacking-scheme-that-stole-3-5m-from-cloud-providers/ 18:55:04 >He allegedly then used those resources to mine Ether, Litecoin, and Monero digital currencies. 19:50:26 Why mine different cryptos? Wouldn't that just complicate the attack? 21:08:45 Monerujo has some problems with strings that are \n\n terminated using a qr-code. 21:09:57 Better to remove all \n 0xa0 chars. mnp-payment --subaddr 1 | tr -d '\n' | qrencode -t UTF8 21:09:59 Cake wallet seems fine. 21:14:31 Better to remove all \n - not just the last one. 21:33:44