05:16:30 hello lol, i figured out the issue 05:16:49 my server's monero in the package manager was outdated 05:17:06 turns out databases are not backwards compatible 05:40:03 Hey guys, if you use Twitter, can you tell me which Monero related account is your favorite? 05:46:19 There are lots 05:47:15 Well what are the names? :) 05:49:50 rip twitter 06:14:52 Search monero and click the people tab, and it will have lots of accounts 06:16:11 Yeah but I was looking for some underrated and valuable accounts which are yet to be discovered by the mainstream monero users. 06:25:47 Yep, when i was doing mtopia dev segments it was already off by then. 06:25:53 I mean map 06:27:31 Speaking of which. Does anyone know about a churner/consolidator for IOS? 09:20:36 Flood is back, are we still pondering over ringsize and fee increase or nobody cares 09:24:13 no of txs: 1737, size: 60729.12 kB 09:30:20 It's not a flood. Someone is consolidating a lot of outputs, mempool will clear in ~6 hours 10:07:07 idc 10:07:37 It's a non issue. I wish it would stop getting up voted on reddit 10:08:25 rip reddit 10:08:53 The only interesting thing about this time is that there's reports that it's crashing nodes, which is actually a novel concern. 10:09:43 So I'd pose, how do we encourage users to run their own nodes? 10:30:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Run monero gui 10:31:53 Black marble attack is a non issue ? Why are you even using monero 10:43:41 my full node (modern high-grade hardware) can't get past a certain block from 6 hours ago. it just sits there, and keeps changing its view on what's the chain head (half the time it thinks that it's the actual head, the other half, this block that it's stuck on). restarting doesn't help. 10:46:46 this block and its neighboring blocks have 3-5 150-in transactions, but that's it. how can this knock out my full node? I'm reading similar reports on Reddit. 11:17:39 huh, xmrchain node rebooted 4 hrs ago. i guess it can't handle the load. hooray daemon management. 11:18:54 chaser, try popping blocks. i thought the daemon auto popped in cases like this but i guess it doesn;t 11:33:42 P2Pool's node is working just fine 12:04:35 It's a huge non issue because it doesn't work 12:05:25 Wrong, effective ringsize drops 12:06:07 Drops but doesn't drop enough 12:06:19 People are panicking for no reason 12:06:22 It's annoying 12:07:04 Plus the solution is in the works. People need to stop screaming chicken little 12:11:23 boohoo 12:11:42 we have a path to FCMPs within 12 months 12:12:55 How much do you wanna bet ? We won’t have that on mainnet in 12 months 12:13:18 this is spearheaded by kayaba 12:13:58 It drops enough for eae eabe 12:15:20 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I dont think it will be 12 months 12:15:31 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Needs 5 seperate audits? 12:19:28 when is anything at or before its estimated time? 12:19:40 meanwhile yesterday kataye said it is so far going quicker than he expected 12:20:47 and some auditors have already been contacted 12:21:17 so it will be ready soon™ lolol 12:22:29 bottom line is it will be ready as quickly as possible, assuming it works which I would bet it will 12:24:45 So ? Is he super human ? 12:24:50 at best it drops enough to be supporting evidence, nothing you can build a case on :P 12:24:57 based on my observations they certainly have super human work ethic 12:25:04 Still not doable in 12 months 12:25:06 kayaba estimated 6 months for the implementation 12:25:08 Do you want to bet ? For a 12 month mainnet ? 12:25:11 id bet that the implementation is ready and maybe even audited within 12 months but mainnet is a bit ambitious since forks have a minimum 6 month headsup 12:25:13 While the noobs scream their heads off 12:25:15 So 18 months? Let’s bet on that? 12:25:17 i dont gamble 12:25:19 So don’t give estimate time frame which you can’t predict 12:25:21 Yes 12:25:23 we still have a realistic path to FCMPs in a pretty short timeframe 12:25:25 And we should have a fork in the meantime and not keep users exposed 12:25:27 People must be very bored and looking for something to panic about 12:25:29 the earliest we can have a fork is 6 months from now 12:25:31 That’s fine 12:25:33 forks are a much larger disruption than the spam 12:25:35 So you won’t fix it because there is a disruption? 12:26:27 well it will take anything 6 months to hardfork once implemented 12:26:36 anything 12:29:38 They don't care. They'd rather panic 12:29:40 Sounds like bitcoin 12:29:41 If only there was something to fix 12:29:43 no, im saying if we wait a bit longer we fix ringsigs for good 12:29:48 indeed 12:30:42 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> 24 12:31:41 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> a winner's coin 12:35:05 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I wonder what serai gets out of fcmp research 12:35:53 a better monero? 12:36:45 I had that thought as well but .... 12:37:01 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> more delays 12:37:11 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> fcmp is a big job. kayaba will have to choose one or the other 12:37:23 oh look who's back 12:37:36 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Back again 12:37:44 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Shady’s back tell a friend 12:37:53 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> twitter got boring no one was replying to my posts 12:38:08 lol 12:38:42 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Speaking into the void linux 12:39:32 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> speaking into dev null 12:45:32 kayaba works on a ton of shit simultaneously 12:45:52 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/bitcoinist.org/HRokeKGeUJOcWDmaodNYTwgM 12:45:54 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> keep coping 12:45:57 not being targeted by monero community 12:46:14 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> kayaba is human not a robot. if he tries to work simultaneously he will look like the xmr/btc chart 12:46:22 bitcoin had a tiny bit of privacy tech when that chart was a thing 12:46:41 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/nvxRntPeNEIKKPAZUfQmjHEW 12:46:50 this is what the chart looks like ever since samourai was knocked down 12:47:00 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> monero has failed its economic purpose 12:47:04 this might very well be the point of reversal 12:47:11 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> serves a good experiment for applying cryptography, that is all 12:47:36 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> don't view monero as an investment. there's no "reversal" 12:47:37 sure thing buddy 12:47:50 we will see about that 12:47:55 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> and don't be surprised if xmr goes to 0 and bitcoin keeps trending higher 12:48:02 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> maxis were right 12:48:03 kek 12:48:08 to ZERO 12:48:13 seethe 12:48:15 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> almost there in btc terms ;) 12:48:23 literally no 12:48:25 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fXQmyBdqHDlkmubORUNdkOgs 12:48:28 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mlciCrgPJJFoEAizmZwXSIbg 12:48:29 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JMvGnCbCJEZWfLgNMjvlUeUf 12:48:31 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/NZsXGxSARmYsizyiRhluZFff 12:48:33 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> lets move this to offtopic 12:48:35 CHART 12:48:37 LOOK 12:48:39 CHART GO UP 12:48:41 ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS MOOT 12:48:43 HAHAH 12:48:45 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> click max 12:48:51 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> click max and send the screenshot 12:49:07 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> bagholder syndrome at its finest 12:49:27 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> stop being emotionally connected to what is meant to be an experiment for digital cash, nothing more 12:50:07 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/QpldwBZXJLjYhLuKqLXbOigq 12:50:57 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i'm biased? of the 10 years xmr has existed, you choose to show price history for a week 12:51:21 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> oh the irony. don't bully maxis 12:51:26 i choose to show the timeframe in which bitcoin has no real privacy anymore 12:51:28 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> you don't even see yourself being one 12:52:02 Bitcoin has real privacy? 12:52:07 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i don't care about btc. i'm just giving you some realism from your monero echochamber 12:52:27 it had "real" privacy when samourai was still among us 12:52:50 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> all cryptocurrency has failed 12:53:02 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> and will never succeed economically 12:53:23 monero works exactly as intented 12:53:24 Idk how it has failed, I pay for some goods in it that I cannot pay for otherwise without fees and a fear of being scammed. 12:53:24 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> bitcoin is no exception 12:53:27 p2p digital cash 12:53:32 ye 12:53:48 Not without flaw, but it is the closest we got. 12:54:06 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> don't take what you have now for granted 12:54:17 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> xmr will be regulated to oblivion, for good reasons 12:54:23 blah balh 12:54:28 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> xmr needs to be regulated 12:54:31 blah blah 12:54:35 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> and the whole cryptocurrency market too 12:54:45 You just cannot regulate its use fully. 12:54:53 come and try regulate 12:55:04 You would not be able to prohibit people from using it) 12:55:14 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i'm not a regulator, just someone in the know within that space 12:55:17 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> they will come slowly 12:55:48 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> keep living in your pipedreams, we can't allow an attack on freedom to run freely. cryptocurrency is a sham 12:56:33 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> and people will willingly accept cbdcs 12:56:45 other than bitcoin, monero is actually designed to be as resistant as possible 12:56:52 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> no one is going to use monero. it's just a nerd's project, a hobby on the side with interesting tech. don't get overinvested 12:57:10 They can't even shut down huge drug markets, how would they do that to a whole currency? 12:57:14 <3​21bob321:monero.social> We have bigger issues 12:57:14 Lol 12:57:20 im already getting rekt by the feds ponzi 12:57:29 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> there is no "fed" ponzi 12:57:32 2008soon, hobby project that pays for digital things I use daily. 12:57:46 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Make mattix.org and monero.social work 12:58:04 there is and it's the retirement scheme im paying 45% of my wages 12:58:06 there is and it's the retirement scheme im paying 45% of my wages into 12:58:13 A wild troll has appeared 12:58:33 it by definition a pyramid scheme 12:58:37 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> how will monero help you in this scenario? if you live in a democracy, go out and protest or argue for change 12:58:52 the democracy is fucked 12:58:54 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> investing into a nerd's project won't do anything 12:59:20 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Makes you feel warm and fuzzy 12:59:22 you cant protest a retirement pyramid scheme via democratic process if the majority of people are retired 12:59:26 YOU live in a democracym 12:59:27 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i'm not sure what propaganda is being funneled into you 12:59:34 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> but democracy is not fucked, it still works 12:59:47 im not in the US 13:00:08 where i am, democracy is very much fucked. at least from this angle 13:00:21 Who is that person? 13:00:27 I am not either, and democracy does not exist here. Monero is pretty much my freedom, exactly like cash. 13:00:45 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> if you live in europe, by the time this "system" implodes there will be revolution or something similar 13:00:47 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> monero won't do anything 13:01:00 Revuo Monero Issue 194: April 18 - 25, 2024. https://www.revuo-xmr.com/issue-194.html 13:01:09 the only revolution that happens here is the introduction of sharia law 13:01:22 Wasabi is bigger actually 13:01:35 wasabi also works together with chainalysis 13:01:46 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> get off whatever propaganda you're listening to. it's harmfu 13:02:05 2008soon, Monero might be helpful as long as there is internet connection. 13:02:13 2008soon fuckoff 13:02:15 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Did wasabi leave merica too? 13:02:17 my propaganda comes from the federal bureau of statistics 13:02:29 2008soon, what propaganda? Wat? 13:02:41 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> sharia law in europe? 13:02:49 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> sounds like propaganda to me 13:02:59 <3​21bob321:monero.social> And hawalla network 13:03:07 guys, what are you doing? lol 13:03:13 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Monero intergration 13:03:24 you talked about revolution 13:03:41 its the most likely revolution if there will be any 13:03:42 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Talking shit 13:03:46 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> religion is not as powerful as you think 13:03:48 No revolt is ever happening here either... 13:04:03 plz do not feed the troll 13:04:05 revolution isnt the point 13:04:14 the point is that theres a massive pyramid scheme 13:04:15 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> money reigns superior. if people and their pockets are hurting to the point where your income is 45% taxed for a long time, there will be revolution against that 13:04:23 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Mini mod ! 13:04:30 People have tolerated worse things. 13:04:36 lol no 13:04:54 most people are too retarded to even realize how much they are taxed 13:04:59 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> not in the us. read on the boston tea party 13:05:03 because they made up this great concept of "employer contribution" 13:05:15 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> alright lets get back to monero 13:05:19 "oh yeah your employer pays half of that tax, not you" 13:05:20 Idk how it happens, it is some sort of social science which is even more boring than biology, so not even going near it. 13:05:21 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> how will it help in this situation? 13:06:02 it can and will only get worse here 13:06:49 i can guarantee you they will squeeze everything as hard as possible 13:06:57 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> you do realize that if everyone moves to monero, this will be regulated and then a revolution would have to take place in response? 13:07:20 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i'm not sure where monero is relevant in all this 13:07:34 "oh, you have 10k in the bank? sorry, the retirement scheme you paid 1/4 of your money into for the last 40 years is imploding and you wont get anything back unless your networth is literally zero" 13:08:41 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> once again, how is monero relevant? 13:08:52 you tell me genius 13:09:01 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> truth is, it isn't 13:09:40 i enjoy mindless banter but if youre going to completely ignore my points then its not fun 13:10:25 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i can tell you've been active here for a long time, probably too caught up into it. but from what you're telling me, don't invest into monero. don't view it as cash or an investment. it's just applied cryptography, a fun project that attempts to follow cypherpunk ideology. it will not help you in your scenario because you're not giving me an answer 13:10:39 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> and that's telling 13:10:47 what 13:10:52 ? 13:11:17 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> how did you get that 10k into monero? 13:11:50 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> either cex or p2p. if p2p, then that person would have to log the transaction and pay taxes on it. then the government has a reference point. it still can be tracked regardless 13:12:02 currently? sepa instant deposit to kraken. in the future? haveno/serai 13:12:04 yes 13:12:20 Monero is relevant precisely because it addresses significant concerns with privacy and fungibility in cryptocurrency. 13:12:26 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> kraken takes logs and sends it all to your country's taxation office. they will still come for your monero 13:12:42 you see 13:12:46 the nice thing about monero 13:12:55 you dont know if i spend all of it on cocaine or save it 13:13:09 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i agree with this relevant case, but I don't think monero is relevant as cash in practice or an investment as a safe haven. it's just a fun project to me 13:13:59 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> so you can only spend it on drugs or save it for more drugs later? how is that useful? you need a circular economy to develop, if this gets big enough, guess who steps in? 13:14:22 ah yes because you can only spend monero on drugs 13:14:34 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> moneromarket, monerica, i've seen it all 13:14:47 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> it's nothing big 13:14:49 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sex,drugs and rock n roll 13:15:02 then you know i could go to my local supermarket and buy stuff with a giftcard, bought with monero, right? 13:15:07 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> and places like moneromarket are subject to regulation like ebay 13:15:25 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> this is temporary. these types of services are classified as money transmitters and WILL be regulated 13:15:38 While Monero may not have achieved the same level of mainstream adoption as more established cryptocurrencies, it does have real-world use cases beyond just being a "fun project." Monero is actively used by individuals and organizations who prioritize privacy in their transactions, including activists, journalists, businesses, and individuals living under oppressive regimes. For t 13:15:39 hese users, Monero isn't just a novelty; it's a tool for preserving freedom and autonomy. 13:16:09 yeah because the regulatooors will some for the giftcard shop registered in the virgin islands 13:16:22 yeah because the regulatooors will come for the giftcard shop registered in the virgin islands 13:16:25 or the one hosted on tor 13:16:29 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> look at bitrefill as an example. once it got popular with btc, it was regulated with kyc 13:16:56 and yet we have coinsbee 13:17:13 or coincards 13:17:16 or all the other sites 13:17:27 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> all temporary. those who manage these projects will face jail time if they don't comply, you can't profit off avoiding the law 13:17:43 bro they cant even reliably take down CSAM vendors which are arguably the worst people around 13:18:48 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> from my research, all other "established" cryptocurrencies have laughable rates of "adoption". monero may be useful in these niche cases you list with activists, but for individuals under oppressive regimes, it can still be vulnerable to compliance 13:19:56 archetype has 420k users 13:20:05 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> ^ 13:20:24 thank you. should I submit an issue or is this a known problem? 13:20:46 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> all i'm hearing are ILLEGAL examples. either money transmitters operating outside appropriate AML/KYC laws, darknet marketplaces or avoiding taxes 13:21:11 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i credit pcre for mentioning the activist example, monero can also be useful for niche cases like donations 13:21:20 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i missed that with what i was saying before 13:21:25 Also when you're under blanket sanctions. 13:21:50 The things I spend on are fully legal, for example. 13:22:03 illegal examples surviving under scrutiny shows that you are safe when using it for regular transfers 13:22:09 example: meat gets banned 13:22:24 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> for regular transfers, I can use a credit card or normal ways of paying 13:22:30 monerobull, true) 13:22:32 you can use monero to buy meat and assume you are safe if the crack dealer can use it to stay safe 13:22:34 I recently ordered a special vodka from Russia and paid with Monero to avoid the sanctions. Shipping is a bit more expensive because it's delivered via Romania, but it works. 13:22:54 Or also doing things that are legal today but might be illegal tomorrow - abortion-related things in some places come to mind. 13:23:13 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> yes this is so realistic. come up with contrived examples like bitcoiners. oh but we're saving third world countries who use cryptocurrency! you're not here for these reasons 13:23:22 2008soon, unless said card is not working from your country. 13:23:57 i am very much here because the old system is a fucking joke 13:24:29 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> wait for cbdcs, there was a recent survey by a european bank and the acceptance rate was 87% iirc 13:24:31 i learned that when they turned off they buy button on stocks 13:24:33 I am here because the system, while working for most cases, failed some people - me included. 13:24:39 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> this will be the new system and it's not as bad as you think. cbdcs are the future 13:25:02 2008soon, a lot depends on how a poll was conducted tho 13:25:04 those numbers were misrepresented 13:25:12 Oh, you're a troll. Lol. 13:25:20 the EU also did a study where 90% of people ranked privacy of a cbdc as #1 priority 13:25:27 they then proceeded to ignore that study 13:25:32 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> a cbdc WILL be private 13:25:39 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> this information is already available if you look hard enough 13:25:45 yeah yeah 13:25:47 It will be interesting when the adult industry discovers Monero. Porn, webcams and hookers. 13:26:02 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> it already has and was not successful 13:26:10 Isn't taxation without representation illegal? Or is it okay now. 13:26:15 pcre, haven't they already? I would be surprised if they didn't. Don't watch this shit tbh. 13:26:49 pornhub already accepts it but nobody actually pays for that unless they are too far gone already 13:27:32 1/3 of my taxes go to the retirement pyramid that already takes 1/4 of my wages 13:27:40 Why would you pay for Pornhub? I understnd paying models for "commissions", but for mass-produced content? 13:27:51 with predictions that this rises to 50% by 2035 13:28:08 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> seriously this propaganda is getting out of hand. who do you think works for building cbdcs? it's not an evil monster. banks will have our best interest in mind because it will be profitable. if users want privacy, central banks will give privacy in exchange for higher adoption rates, better implementation of mt and tracking economic stats anonymously in aggregate. cbdcs will be extremely useful 13:28:11 I honestly don't care about the taxation thing, I just want to pay for some things fter the bank system has failed me. 13:28:40 We should stop feeding the troll btw. 13:28:44 lol 13:28:57 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i'm just sick of this misinformation about cbdcs 13:29:04 the central bank doesnt give a shit about you, it can just force cbdcs on you 13:29:17 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> none of you even know how they work 13:29:21 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> yet you speak so highly and confidently 13:29:33 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> no, the central bank is independent of the government. they can't force anything 13:29:56 stop printing cash, only print cbdcs 13:30:03 its literally that easy 13:30:22 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> once again a commonality between monero delusionals and bitcoiners is a lack of understanding economics 13:30:56 you trying to say that the central bank cant let cash die out if they want to? 13:31:18 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> they won't need to let cash die out. people will love cbdcs 13:31:32 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> except a minority of paranoid people like you 13:31:36 2008soon: AFAIK no CBDC design is dominant. So there is no universal way that they work. I am interested in any sources for your claim of 87% CBDC acceptance. 13:31:49 stop 13:32:09 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i will now 13:32:18 I am interested in any CBDC data. 13:32:38 https://monero.town/post/3010283 13:32:46 >This may be a historical moment, Monero TX fee is higher than BTC 13:35:10 thats not the cost of getting into the next block though, right? 13:35:18 rando: Probably that's not the fee for a normal tx. That is the fee for a 150 input transaction of about 100 KB 13:35:20 only the median of all fees paid which is distorted by the 140 in transactions 13:35:36 since those txs are filling the mempool now 13:42:17 Morning! 13:42:19 Look like the usual asshole having fun again! 13:42:22 "Some say this sudden increase in transaction volume is the result of Bitcoiners fleeing into Monero after the recent publicity proving that No-KYC Bitcoin use is de-facto illegal. 13:42:23 I choose to believe this regardless of whether it’s true or not. 😁" LOL 13:42:46 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> i appreciate the responses 13:43:08 That was directed about the pile of 146+/2 in the mempool, not you 13:43:15 That was directed agains the pile of 146+/2 in the mempool, not you 13:43:54 pcre, this would've been hilarious 13:44:03 Yeah, if only it was a mix of 1/2 and 2/2 or things like 1/123 (exchange sending) 13:44:03 But it's 146+/2 so just usual asshole :( 13:44:05 Cope-nero. 13:45:04 Does that mean that someone is spamming the blockchain with needless transactions ? 13:45:24 It's kind of digesting slowly at least, maybe he is done 13:45:25 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/TpejikStQazDuPsrKBOhunTb 13:46:50 yep 13:46:51 pretty sure it can't really be any normal use. Not for that amounts of consolidation TX. 13:48:12 Perhaps a bigger p2pool miner moving the coins away from his mining wallet. 13:48:49 By over filling the nodes, as they drop off, couldn't you get some network info from there. Like how tor sites get overloaded until they drop off and then get corrolated to changes somewhere else near the same times stamp. 13:48:59 that is actually easy to confirm or infirm, please wait 13:49:23 not from p2pool miner 13:49:32 not really 13:49:34 its too random for that 13:49:45 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> my memory was off, I was thinking about a different paper unrelated to consumer willingness to use cbdcs. the real figure is around 75% after a year: 13:49:45 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> https://m.guardtime.com/files/CBDC_research.pdf 13:49:47 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I work in the industry and privacy is a great concern. CBDCs will be private OR will subsidize access to data by central banks with annual payments, like free $30 per year to spend. consumers have positively reacted to this 13:49:49 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/bitcoinist.org/QbCirpNjrjnygOAZFlOECbcq 13:49:51 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/bitcoinist.org/bhrzlqxNWMgQpnECbmcLqsDB 13:50:20 this increase in trasaction volume could be a stress test from wealthy pockets. They're likely accumulating Monero for themselves and possibly pressured exchanges that delisted XMR sell to their holdings to them with the threat of legal scrutiny. Possibly a bot is doing the accumulation of any XMR sale from various sources. 13:50:46 lol, cbdc scam 13:50:47 Privacy will be only agains other slaves, it will be transparent for the owners/admins 13:50:49 this increase in trasaction volume could be a stress test from wealthy pockets. They're likely accumulating Monero for themselves and possibly pressured exchanges that delisted XMR to sell to their holdings to them with the threat of legal scrutiny. Possibly a bot is doing the accumulation of any XMR sale from various sources. 13:51:00 its only really beneficial if you are trying to pinpoint a server location 13:51:24 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> wrong. a simple argument against this is that politicians and the very people who use these cbdcs will want privacy too 13:51:56 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> there is still ongoing research into how privacy can be implemented, banks haven't found a method yet. that's why I'm here doing my own research :) 13:52:14 read a guide for running the optimal DNM once and it mentioned taking your site down on purpose in random intervals to make it harder to correlate with real outages 13:52:19 So how that will work if they want to audit people? 13:52:48 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> it could work similar to monero with viewkeys 13:53:09 it wont 13:53:17 What if I send my wallet in space? 13:53:19 current system is already more transparent 13:53:26 monerobull, lol, there are guides for that? 13:53:31 they wont give that up 13:53:47 So how that will work if they want to audit people? 13:53:49 they audit the poor, monero is for them to avoid audits and taxation 13:54:06 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> what if you light all your cash on fire? 13:54:21 bluey: of course. it was mainly about showing how hard it actually is to run one. title was something like "oh so you want to become a darknet kingpin?" 13:54:38 ah lol that one 13:54:46 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> listen, I have experience in this space and you don't. I'm not sure where this rumor has spread about CBDCs and it seems to only serve the interest of cryptocurrency investors. CBDCs will be provably private 13:54:55 You know what I mean, what if they can't get access to the wallet. How they are going to get the view key 13:54:57 Right now, banks, you just have to present them with mandate or things like that and you can get access to infos 13:55:18 is that why the EU just voted for a 3000€ cash limit? 13:55:35 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I can't say anything more but a cbdc will likely not be a cryptocurrency 13:55:39 because they just love people to be free and everything? 13:55:41 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> it's too inefficient 13:56:14 oh so the cash limit is for efficiency and not surveillance? that makes total sense! 13:56:33 especially if you consider all the other erosions of privacy they are voting for 13:56:37 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> to prevent money laundering, yes 13:57:09 sooooo... surveillance? 13:57:26 2008soon: Specifically which industry do you work in? Anyway, here is some of my analysis of how cryptocurrency can help people with low access to formal banking: https://rucknium.me/posts/financial-marginalization-and-cryptocurrency-payments/ 13:58:05 Sooo, how they would prevent laundering if it's private... oh, wait, it will be totally transparent for them lol, privacy only again low slave 13:58:07 id argue a cash limit makes it way more resource intensive to investigate cash-based money laundry 13:58:09 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I don't want to dox myself too much because I have a lot of haters here, but I think you can get a general idea 13:58:26 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> tax auditing. this is already a thing with cash? 13:58:44 rucknium, not just the poors! Sanctioned people too. Now it is just quality-of-life for me, but might be vital soon. 13:58:53 now you got a guy going to 10 different locations and buying 2000€ stuff instead of them buying a handful of 10k€ things 13:59:44 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> this limit is only imposed on anonymous transactions. if you provide identification for these purchases, you don't have to abide by this limit 13:59:53 Yeah but if they don't have access to the digits 13:59:55 And you shotgun everyone entering your place to get the view key. 13:59:57 Cash is an excellent launder tool afaik 13:59:59 Banks do laundering to for themself or high network customers (at least HSBC did) 😂 14:00:33 even if you KYC there is a 10k€ limit 14:00:36 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> the limit is perfectly fine. for groceries, etc. you can purchase whatever you want anonymously. bigger items like a car and house already require identification 14:00:38 yeah, nice scam indeed 14:00:49 Also a ton of laundering occurs in the traditional bank system as well, probably most of it) 14:00:51 aka you will have to kyc if youre ballin and want to buy that 15k€ mega tv at the electronics store 14:00:55 scratch that 14:01:04 you cant even buy that tv with cash 14:01:14 so much for legal tender 14:01:31 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> there is nothing wrong with this 14:01:53 What about people that are totally out of the system? 14:02:13 that you need a bank account to spend your legally earned and taxed money? 14:02:19 They won't want back in I assume, else they would be already in or would not have exited 14:02:24 there is NOTHING wrong with that? 14:02:31 cuz KYC doesnt work 14:03:08 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> use of cash has declined significantly 14:03:10 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/bitcoinist.org/dDGyJQPQyPspvEhuMQBjWiJa 14:03:46 oh yeah then we can just ban it completely! 14:03:47 why bother with a limit? 14:03:52 too much burden 14:04:01 lol, no idea where there stats come from. 14:04:03 But it's been over 10 years I did not see a single cheque 14:04:05 And everyone use cash, only 1/3 of the place accept the platic stuff 14:04:18 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I agree for people who are unbanked there are issues but by the time CBDCs will be fully implemented, this is approx 2030 by current estimates, we hope that people have better access to internet connections, etc. to use CBDCs 14:04:33 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> from the research paper I linked above... 14:04:53 ive been waiting for them to install fiber here for 4 years now... 14:04:58 everyone here have internet but there still not using even plastic lol 14:05:05 we SIGNED 4 years ago 14:05:28 you wont be allowed to use cdbcs if you have an opinion though 14:05:37 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> don't be surprised if a CBDC looks similar to monero, but has centralized systems in place to maintain compliance 14:05:48 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> no, that's false and misinformation 14:06:21 So they won't be able to lock you're money? 14:06:23 Canada already did that to there people not so long ago, I don't think they will relinguish that privilege 14:06:51 I have seen a lot of research papers that try to use Monero as a base and then make it traceable with a master key basically. Papers are in moneroresearch.info 14:06:56 I am so glad I use cash everywhere! 14:07:17 I even use cash to buy on Aliexpress and Temu 😂 14:07:38 People recognizing the importance of it give me hope. I hope to one day close my bank account for good - I know for sure some jobs pay in cash) 14:07:45 ravfx, gift cards? 14:08:07 Overall I avoid online stores where you have to prepay, with very rare exceptions. 14:08:17 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> thanks for linking this! 14:08:19 Naaa, press checkout, choose cash, save qr code, go pay at random convenient store 14:08:42 This is a thing? Never encountered) 14:08:57 It's a thing in Latin America 14:09:19 because people use cash 14:09:27 There are many other Monero-related papers there. The search function needs to be fixed. The search basically does "OR" instead of "AND" when you put in multiple words. The latest version of the software fixed it, but we haven't updated yet. 14:10:32 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> if a CBDC was implemented and operated exactly like XMR, except that a central bank can access your transaction history, only with extreme cases such as suspicion of ill use with proof from law enforcement, sunbonnet, etc., or in aggregate (anonymized data) for macroeconomic indicators for mt would you use it? you funds can't be locked and you will be able to spend it everywhere l 14:10:33 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> ike cash with the previous exception 14:10:45 ahh, I hate that kind of broken search thing. 14:10:47 It's like mercadolibre search function 😂 14:11:11 nop 14:11:26 ravfx, keep up the good habits there, guys! 14:11:29 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> this is likely what a CBDC will look like, with potentially a bonus of getting paid as an incentive for the data you offer 14:11:49 I already exited the scam system over 7 years ago, don't even have a bank account lol 14:11:57 BASED. 14:12:09 Yes. After the SW arrest. 14:12:22 I need it for uni stipend now, and for paying a tutor. But hope to close it one day. 14:12:31 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I don't think this is possible in any western or european country 14:12:58 Indeed, you need to move to an actually free country for that. 14:12:59 CA/US/EU too far gone 14:13:07 First - I am not there. Second - enough jobs pay in cash, and it is actually possible to live cash-only. 14:13:33 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I wouldn't call these countries free, but rather delayed with their laws. once western/european countries implement a CBDC, so will the country you live in 14:13:42 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I wouldn't call these countries free, but rather delayed with their laws/policy. once western/european countries implement a CBDC, so will the country you live in 14:14:23 Like, you have to register when renting by law - yet to my knowlege, most tenants and landlords don't ever bother with this. If they cannot get rid of living unregistered, they cannot get rid of paying for this in cash either. 14:14:42 Lot of peoples will endup beheaded if they where trying to force that scam in here 14:14:58 based 14:15:05 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> not if the right incentives are in place 14:15:45 what even is your point 14:15:51 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> El Salvador is a good example of attempting to implement a CBDC-like system, but the incentives offered failed 14:16:08 No one trust the state with money, like that's the minority, it's why there using cash. 14:16:09 a CBDC wont fix that 14:16:28 monerobull, nah, don't feed a troll. I am holding on from doing that. 14:18:14 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I've read lots of points in favor of cryptocurrency ECONOMICALLY and I'm just voicing my concerns for those who are heavily invested in projects like xmr. these projects will fail, without a doubt. while I marvel at the technology being used and I would expect this to improve, my point here is to say don't expect xmr to be a viable option for worldwide cash use. from my perspectiv 14:18:15 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> e working in an industry that is close with regulating this type of stuff, xmr won't survive, unless you're using it for niche cases 14:19:25 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I also like to educate people about what CBDCs will likely be implemented, not the misinformation commonly spread 14:20:13 Nigeria is also a nice example 14:20:16 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> if you live in a country with a corrupt state, cash or metals will always serve as a better option for barter 14:21:27 There all corrupt, just different way and at different level 14:22:15 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> trust is all central banks are about and this is the resource they need most. if a central bank is not trusted, then anything, from mt to a CBDC, will fail 14:23:41 When is the central bank even trusted? All it can use is force, on which the govt has monopoly. 14:23:41 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> all centralized systems are corrupt to some level, yes, but the best we can do is reduce this level to the lowest possible. I think monero is a good example of trust with the CCS and previous bad actors in the community. we are humans after all and every interaction requires some level of trust 14:23:55 I don't know what the economic case for CBDCs is. How does it increase economic efficiency, etc.? I haven't looked to hard, but I have looked. Frankly I also question why central banks want to add another variable to a complex system when they didn't handle COVID-related inflation well. If they don't understand the system now, why make it more complicated? 14:24:34 Well, current banking system is slow af, especially for tx between juridictions 14:25:19 inter banks system in my country : instant 14:25:21 try to get money from bank in some western country, two days, including week end 14:25:25 inter banks system in my country : instant 14:25:27 try to get money from bank in some western country, two days, excluding week end 14:25:56 Crypto obsoleted that. 14:25:57 So the admin have to fix it so they can at least get thet right 14:26:40 and still ppl prefer to stick with bitch ass banks instead of migrating to crypto 14:27:00 It's hard to migrate to crypto now, in most place 14:27:25 I can buy monero without kyc at the convenience store but it's not the case for any western/euro country 14:27:43 now they have KYC everything and some of them have also limite (in quantity or X coins banned) 14:28:03 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> from the top of my head: 14:28:03 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> - speed/efficiency => current credit card systems are costly 14:28:05 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> - equality and inclusion => for the unbanked, CBDCs is an alternative to cash, but will be available for purchasing items online. there will be no need of a bank account 14:28:07 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> - monetary policy => tracking macroeconomic data like money supply, inflation and other factors will be easier than ever. this is one of the most important things needed and the benefits of implementing mt with correct data has substantial benefits 14:28:09 any country* 14:28:11 so it's a pain for normies to get crypto (in US/CA/EU) 14:28:30 convenience store prolly has cameras with facial recognition so there's non-consensual kyc 14:28:43 It's not an alternative to cash, for a thing, I have to be in the system to use it 14:28:55 it's won't be permissionless 14:30:32 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> this system will be heavily regulated in western/european nations. I'm not sure about your country and I can understand if there is mistrust for using such a CBDC then 14:31:17 Yea, and then they get the taste of power and go all in, not even bothering with lube anymore 14:31:44 great_taste, you can hide the face tho. Or buy from a person instead of store. 14:32:49 2008, we are also not trying to be the global cash replacement 14:33:02 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> it won't happen, this power trip you speak of, but I understand the fear surrounding it. by the time cbdcs come along, we can expect a high rate of adoption though and this will happen no matter your opinion. I'm just providing well-backed research on the topic 14:33:03 monero is already 100% doing what its supposed to do 14:33:09 Monero is supposed to be the extension of cash, but online 14:33:24 and it works as such 14:33:45 It work fine imo. 14:33:47 even when asshole spamming the network 14:34:22 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I conflated the goals of btc and xmr for a moment there. xmr as cash does currently work with all the hurdles, but I think this will be too difficult to use compared to cbdcs (which will offer privacy) in the future 14:34:34 yeah and the spam helped push forward the move to fcmps 14:34:45 and pointed out some issues 14:34:50 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> there are many smart people working on cbdcs 14:35:14 cbdcs will offer "privacy" 14:35:15 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> and they are working in your best interest, no matter what you think 14:35:26 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> not a criminal allowing interest, but one for freedom and privacy 14:35:38 heh 14:35:52 sound like a scam 14:35:53 even if it wont be abused in the beginning, a few years down the line the power that comes with control over a cbdc will 100% be abused 14:36:06 the state working in your best interest 😂 14:36:27 the definition of "criminal" can be changed quite easily 14:36:44 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> you'd be surprised at who is working for the "state", more specifically central banks, right now. lots of contributors in cryptocurrency are getting involved 14:37:04 they abuse surveillance tech left and right already. stuff implemented to catch pedos is used to track small time pot dealers 14:37:26 we even have regular ass cops using that nightmare tech to stalk their exes 14:37:42 traitors 14:38:09 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> please don't confuse the government and central banks. these are separate entities, for a good reason. if the law is changed, that is an issue with the government, not a CBDC, and in the case where you're suspected of a criminal, it would have to be upheld with evidence in court before any "threat" is posed to your CBDC money 14:38:18 great_taste: indeed. 14:38:57 did the truckers in canada go through a trial before their money was taken? 14:39:08 Governments and central banks are the exact same entity in my opinion. Under different disguises 14:39:14 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I wouldn't call them traitors, but people who have finally come to their senses. I thank everyone who has worked in cryptocurrency and banks are actually happy about it since all this research is helpful for developing a safe, private CBDC 14:39:25 Naaa, money just gone (bitcorn) lol 14:39:27 Or frozen (bank) 14:40:21 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I'm going to stop now as I don't like arguing politics. that's not my job here 14:40:39 lmao 14:41:01 "the justice system will prevent abuse" 14:41:10 "they already abuse it" 14:41:16 "uhm actually ill stop talking here" 14:41:19 Imajin not be able to transact when the grid/net go down 14:41:19 Or when random chinese hacker find a way to cause issue to one of these CBDC blockchain, like halting it for a week, would be so funny 14:42:17 But anyway, all of that might no append, it only take a few Nato troop in eastern europe and it's going to cancel all of that 14:42:44 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I highly recommend checking out http://bis.org/ for unbiased information on CBDC development and research or, even better, contribute your efforts by applying on the careers page for the bis or your relevant central bank, they will likely have positions opened for CBDC related work if you have the experience 14:42:47 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I'll end it at that 14:43:03 And ill end it at "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" 14:43:27 and also: youre nitpicking and biased. i win. bye bye. 14:44:06 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> despite what many of you think, I'm here to help you 14:44:14 nah, terrorists 14:44:15 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> it may take time for you to understand but I can wait 14:44:20 They all say that 14:44:20 are you getting paid to spread cbdc propaganda? 14:44:39 "I'm here to help you" 14:44:43 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> no I'm just giving opportunities in the field for those interested 14:44:52 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I heard CCS payments are not reliable as of late 14:45:00 heh "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" 14:45:17 great_taste: xD 14:45:35 I've heard they raised 350k in 2 days last week 14:45:57 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> the grants given for CBDC research are quite the amount, that's all I'll say 14:45:59 you're delusional to think you're going to convert any of us 14:46:44 there are two types of people in a monero chat: hardcore libertarians and feds 14:46:44 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> right now, it won't happen. eventually, just know that there are opportunities available. I'm not trying to convert anyone 14:46:49 The grants given for bike lanes in Peru are 350 million euros, so what 14:47:22 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> I can't be a fed, I'm too unprofessional. I'm just an employee who works in a related field 14:47:51 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> to what I discuss 14:49:10 <2​008soon:bitcoinist.org> it's all fun, don't take it seriously! use this as a learning experience if anything 14:50:46 great_taste, you forgot another type: just a normie failed by their banking system) 15:09:43 Any idea when the the xmr congestion will be cleared up? 15:12:36 <10MB remaining 15:12:50 ~1HR and it should be all digested 15:32:57 is this the best room for getting help with monerod, or is there a better one? 16:12:17 by using `pop_blocks 100`, my node is syncing again, but the sync is very slow (almost as good as not syncing at all), and surprisingly monerod doesn't make use of the devices immense resources (it consumes only 300 MB RAM, 0--1% CPU). I noticed I have only 2-3 outgoing connections, which I tried to improve on by restarting monerod with multiple `--add-priority-node=` options, but 16:12:19 this didn't help either my sync issue or my note count. any ideas what's going on here? 16:26:11 I still have a transaction that hasn't cleared . hopefully soon 16:27:59 https://twitter.com/zooko/status/1786067258852233245 16:28:01 >2) Monero transactions aren’t really private in some, possibly most, cases. Its current privacy protections are fragile and have failed to protect users in real life many times. The Monero devs know this and are working on upgrading it to Zcash’s level. 16:28:26 >2 cont’d) All blockchains including purely transparent ones are vulnerable to counterfeiting attacks. Counterfeiting attacks have succeeded on mainnet against Stellar, Firo, Bytecoin, and Bitcoin! Security is hard. Zcash’s security is the best. 16:29:42 Zcash dev claiming Monero is not private 16:44:16 According to mempool data, it should have cleared by now 16:45:28 Just cleared now. Thx 16:51:48 To me this looks carefully and artfully crafted to incite controversy. Whoever wants may bite. If you do try not to attract too much shame and ridicule on Monero 16:58:45 oh look, it's zooko bashing monero again, 16:59:06 the guy that said this "And by the way, I think we can successfully make Zcash too traceable for criminals like WannaCry, but still completely private & fungible." 17:02:43 looks like this channel had a spam attack while I was gone :D 17:10:31 To be honest, for a sensitive usecase I find it unwise to depend just on one tool anyway, like XMR bought on a KYC exchange. XMR's protection here, buying carefully and KYCless there, making your payment through Tor too... And so on. I cannot estimate hoe safe Monero is, but would never treat it as fully safe. 17:11:16 Very relieving to have a low threat model, but fun to learn about this) About to download some docs on Monero and learn more about its mechanicms) 17:11:27 I bought Monero for a friend. 1000$ kyc-fee every day for a week. It is fun to have money for once. 17:12:06 I buy mine for cash too because I am scared of using my card online) 17:12:40 Yes - I like cash too. 17:13:39 I pretty much only use cash with few exceptions (like how I had to order a part that was very specific and needed prepaying). :) 17:14:12 Good attitude. 17:14:24 I hate "prepaying" 17:14:25 Always endup with "leftovers" 17:14:50 I try to pay a lot with cash. 17:14:57 ravfx, wdym leftovers? I don't usually use the "wallets" on sites. 17:15:09 Fortunately I can order online at most place with cash, not the case for western/EU place 17:15:17 When ordering online, which is by itself rare, I usually pay cash upon reception in the office. 17:15:21 I tought you where talking about prepaid credit card 17:15:31 Ah, we don't have those here sadly. 17:15:50 You might consider to pay in Bitcoin/Monero online. 17:16:02 Well... I did see obe offering, but it could only be bought with another card, which is better than nothing but so gross that I opted out. 17:16:05 Shopinbit here in Europe 17:16:20 Can't buy with bitcorn or monero at all locations 17:16:24 pcre, not always available. I do pay for some services in them, indeed. 17:16:26 shipinbit is EU only except for there concierge service, I think 17:17:22 I am so thankful it exists because I have a server and a domain now) Although for a domain, I might have to swap into LTC or something, because sadly XMR is rare amobg registrars. 17:17:50 For IT stuff it's pretty much available. 17:17:51 plenty of place to get servers/vpn/internet stuff with crypto 17:17:59 and site like Newegg accept btc too 17:18:31 @BlueyHealer We should become online retailers ourselves. 17:18:35 Try buying scientific equipement using Monero or even Bitcoin... Have fun! 17:19:30 ravfx, yes!! I do just that! The XMR VPSes are more common than domains though. 17:19:43 Not going to stock up on expensive scientific equipement for a micro chance of someone buying my stuff before it become obsolete. 17:19:45 Sadly, It's why we have concierge services, but they charge a premium for that 17:19:55 I am still searching for a "proper" registrar. 17:20:05 Namesilo work 17:20:14 you can pay with shitcoin (bitpay) 17:20:29 What is consierge? Here it means the person who sits on the entrance of an apartment building) 17:20:50 Someone who buy the expensive thing for you and forward it to you 17:21:09 ravfx, some others, like Porkbun, accept BTC too - but I hope to find XMR because BTC's fees would be too much for a very small payment like this. 17:21:14 I kinda want to make a “Monero price index” that will regularly check the current market conditions for different commodities and Monero 17:21:21 Bitpay? 17:21:44 Cuz I don’t think people really realize how bad/undervalued many parts of the eco there are 17:21:51 Apparently LTC, which I have also seen, is lightet on fees at least, but idk. 17:21:52 It's a payment processor 17:22:08 Caveats with that? 17:22:12 When XMR is not accepted, I just use Tron 17:22:16 Faster and cheaper than ltc 17:22:23 and accepted pretty much everywhere 17:22:30 Only seen Tron mentioned here. Never sae accepted. 17:22:35 But LTC work too 17:22:35 saw 17:22:52 look for TRX/Tron on payment processor, most of them accept it 17:23:09 I use BCH/BTC or LTC if no XMR is supported. 17:23:12 Trx fee like less than 10 cents or something 17:23:13 and TX is ~instant 17:23:15 I think a lot of the issues with using crypto atm is that everything isn’t “priced” in that crypto; the commodity is actually priced in fiat 17:23:30 Oh, nice, lines up with what I have seen, ravfx 17:23:48 preland, I prefer it this way tbu 17:23:50 tbh 17:24:18 Like image if you went to the store and a 5 pound bag of apples cost ~3.58405729958 USD 17:24:19 Not only is that weird, it would also be exhausting to have to deal with weird pricing like that *constantly* 17:24:52 Idk, mine just takes the price corresponding to fiat. 17:24:57 Also note the “~”: as prices are unstable, it makes it very difficult to trust the true value of your own currency 17:25:48 Wait, is there something to panic about? I love panicking! /j 17:27:11 I thought newegg stopped accepting btc years ago 17:27:59 I wish Steam accepted it directly. 17:28:18 it as in XMR 17:28:20 At least can get steam card but it's anoying to use 17:28:40 I'm thinking about selling wine for XMR. I live in a wine region here and know the producers. 17:28:59 Lol nice. 17:29:39 For you without tax @ BlueyHealer. 17:29:57 I want to be either a seamstress (in perspective), repairman or English tutor for XMR. 17:30:01 XD 17:31:30 The issue is that Monero must be able to stand on its own as an independent currency (otherwise it becomes a glorified mixer), and in order to be independent it has to have *some* level of price stability relative to goods and services. 17:32:16 (Btw I won’t be able to respond for a few hours after this cuz I’m entering my Faraday cage) 17:32:27 :) 17:36:55 Don't get into debt guys. 17:37:26 All with a sense of proportion 17:38:55 Why bring up debt? 17:38:59 njal.la and incognet.io (heard they are very expensive when renewal) they are domain proxy registeration, so you are not really the owner of the domain 17:39:12 Not getting into this shit either, unless maybe for buying an apartment. 17:39:39 Tron or USDT on Tron? 17:39:43 I use njalla temporarily, ye - was looking for "proper", non-proxy registrars specifically. 17:39:56 TRON or USDT on Tron? 17:39:56 I know 1984.is, but it doesn't suit my needs. 17:43:29 Do you also have the feeling that people are getting angrier and angrier because they don't understand that they are being fucked by an invisible inflation tax? 17:44:12 https://x.com/wasabiwallet/status/1786083838415769673 17:45:48 wasabi coordinator shuts down: 17:45:49 https://x.com/wasabiwallet/status/1786083838415769673 17:47:41 Spooked! 17:49:28 Seems to be driving up XMR/BTC 17:50:12 namecheap accepts btc lol 17:51:02 but kyc too sometimes 17:51:23 "company" <<<<<<<<<<< 17:51:52 coinjoin coordination 17:52:31 and then they wonder 17:55:35 A necessary step though. Most don't even go that far 17:56:01 The most XMR that they have on their books, the most likely they will be to start setting nice round numbers. 17:57:30 And probably fully surveilled 18:03:18 Because LTC is not? 18:08:27 At least ltc is decentralized and censorship resistant and open source. 18:08:27 The more XMR that they have on their books, the most likely they will be to start setting nice round numbers. 18:30:31 >After years of relentless dedication to improve Bitcoin’s privacy, zkSNACKs, the company pioneering the development of Wasabi Wallet, is shutting down its coinjoin coordination service, effective June 1st, 2024. 18:30:33 >Blog post announcement link: 18:30:48 https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-is-discontinuing-its-coinjoin-coordination-service-1st-of-june/ 18:30:51 lol 19:41:01 so is ltc (except the instant) 19:41:17 TRX is commonly accepted because of USDT which uses its network 19:41:21 otherwise it'd die 19:43:06 Yep, but it's also... fast... 19:43:07 Yep, they can censors you, but if it don't get stuck when the swapper sent it to you it should not get stuck when you send it away (always use fresh address) 19:43:09 The Censor thing is the main thing agains it, it's like ETH at the end. 19:44:35 fast isn't always good, remember that some cryptos get higher fee when fast 19:44:37 | Yep, they can censors you, but if it don't get stuck when the swapper sent it to you it should not get stuck when you send it away (always use fresh address) 19:44:39 mfw money lanudering 19:45:05 you usually use that thing to buy shit on where they don't accept XMR lol, other than that (and usdt), it have no use 19:45:10 since joinmarket is the only one left for btc keep in mind that it isn't very good: 19:45:11 https://oxtresearch.com/toxic-recall-attack-unwinding-joinmarket-case-study/ 19:45:40 what if they don't take xmr and trx 19:45:47 what if they don't take xmr and trx (and obviously, usdt) 19:46:14 I don't remember seeing that, if you manage to find such a site, go to another one that have the same product? 19:46:44 And if you don't find then use the LTC and wait a lot more 19:47:17 Or Doge but fee are higher than LTC, that coin so useless 19:47:23 there should be another crypto thats good as xmr (and ltc) but also accepted a lot like btc 19:47:29 does people even use doge anymore 19:48:01 Well, maybe, it's still not zero so at least people gamble it 19:48:30 there should be another crypto thats good as xmr (and ltc) but also accepted a lot like btc/eth 19:48:42 The reason XMR is not accepted at much place is because it's private, if a coins as good would exist, it would not be better, people would still say no because private 19:49:24 beside sof that, it's because its not also that known 19:49:39 beside sof that, it's because its not also that known and many exchangers even removed it 19:49:55 Admins definitively don't want use to have privacy, and most payment processor stay away from real privacy coins because they fear they could be abliterated by USSA 19:50:03 Admins definitively don't want us to have privacy, and most payment processor stay away from real privacy coins because they fear they could be abliterated by USSA 19:50:14 Admins definitively don't want us to have privacy, and most payment processor stay away from real privacy coins because they fear they could be obliterated by USSA 19:56:19 I think challenge for the next years will be to improve UX of plausible deniability. XMR not being illegal is good an all. But what if people start using the circular economy. I wouldn't be surprised for gov to at some point prohibit the owning of XMR. 19:57:17 The privacy be default etho only work inside Monero. If you regard all cryptos, Monero is the optional privacy, therefore it is sus 20:07:21 The thing should use port 443 by default for node to node and for RPC 20:07:23 Protocol should have opcode so the client can tell it if it's connect RPC way or P2P way. 20:07:25 Ideally using TLS like other web shiet.. 20:07:27 So it look like normal web shiet 20:07:50 Right now ISP can just log all connection to 180xx and send log to the slaves owner(s) 20:14:12 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Wasabi censored txs, suck shit 20:14:28 lol, yeah 20:14:29 And they blocked USSA, wonder why? 20:14:38 <3​21bob321:monero.social> In bed with chain anal 20:15:09 Yeah, in bed with chain anal but still blocked USSA users 20:15:22 say a lot about how much they are scared that the same will come to them 20:15:47 they announced they are shutting down operations they are so scared 20:16:05 What, now they are just shutting down? 20:16:10 after jun 1st, no more wasabi at all, not just for US 20:16:18 oh my 20:16:23 another one bite the dust 20:16:55 Bitcoin have zero privacy, now that all bitcoin privacy is getting cancelled 20:17:06 Bitcoin have zero privacy, now that all optional bitcoin privacy is getting cancelled 20:17:30 joinmarket is the only coinjoin left and it cxan be demixed because the maker/taker fees are essentially doxxic change breadcrumbs that allow chainalysis to unwind the mixes 20:19:03 Also how does it impact the user if a payment processor is used for the crypto payments? 20:20:15 Not much, it allow the user to pay with whatever the payment processor accept. 20:20:17 Note that the payment processor might have tracking cookies..... 20:22:45 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Nom nom 20:28:13 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1 week later open up under different name 20:28:55 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Good that they are gone so people dont use it 21:40:40 It depends on how you look at it 21:40:41 From a standard view, there are a few concerns, whether it be reliance on a (most likely) centralized middleman, invisible fees (which can be brushed off as “market/liquidity fluctuation”), or potential surveillance concerns (I’m not concerned about the last one as much because it’s technically feasible at every single step in a transaction) 21:40:43 From (my) point of view, it is hazardous, as it completely removes any influence that the underlying crypto (XMR in this case) has on the product. It also stifles adoption, as vendors are disincentivized against using the currency, and will instead opt for their own currency of choice (another thing I thought of: if the payment processor was ever compromised in any way, it would h 21:40:45 ave an incredibly large effect on vendors, especially in the case of crypto theft) 21:41:01 Think Silicon Valley Bank, sans the FDIC 21:41:42 To be clear, I’m not opposed to payment processors entirely; I don’t think they are a permanent solution. 23:31:39 if someone runs a node with Tor / I2P inbound connections and wants to get added as a seed node please add a comment here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9316 23:39:54 what version of C++ do we use? 23:41:03 C++17 in the master branch and C++14 in release branch 23:56:34 thx 23:56:53 why are they different?