02:38:21 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> okay
02:38:51 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> what I meant to say is, how powerful should a computer be so that the miner can expect a decent chance to profit off of mining on main? i consider my computer to be powerful for the things that I do, but what are the "specs" that a hardware should have so that the chances of profiting off of main is not insanely low?
02:54:42 <m-relay> <d​justice.kde:matrix.org> selfish gains isn't how a community works.
03:22:31 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> are you talking to me?
04:00:40 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Lots of L3 memory. Look up randomx. The high end radeons are best.
04:36:11 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> how do i find out how much L3 i have?
04:39:45 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> found it
04:39:48 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> 6 MB
04:39:49 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> is that a lot?
04:41:17 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> no
04:44:20 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> if you want to mine for a profit, you need free electricity or cheap electricity and efficient hardware. Most efficient are ryzen 5800 and up. You'll also need good ram ("B Die") that is tuned properly.
04:48:40 <m-relay> <n​igiri:cutefunny.art> guess ill stick to mini
05:34:16 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> image.png
05:34:25 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> even those aren't as profitable
05:36:15 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/vlOUhLq1wVrfY2GPNczZChLEDvGSfxQZ
05:36:25 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AMD Ryzen 7 5700G ^
05:38:24 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/JPXHVx23MTxB9Iijbr7woDI99wyWTdtU
05:38:25 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i9-9980XE ^
05:40:09 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/9BSjRNmdZnCSLVatek2pUjtUcBukyMhM
05:40:19 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Threadripper 2950X^ (one of the cheapest threadrippers)
05:41:27 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/flQGBCd8nj2C0UWsoixJpBkTRssI7FY0
05:41:36 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AMD EPYC 9654 ^
05:43:43 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> Only 10 years before making a profit
05:46:05 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> yep..
05:48:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Like you can make an ASIC using the A53 cores which are 223.11 H/s and consume ~5 W, but you would need like 200 of them
05:49:08 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/y6QJHLEREyYv3mwxHt0NRlL9ZJt9pKOB
05:49:14 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> which is possible to do through electrical engineering
05:49:40 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/aen3UiZ30PtW4ciokOIY2USamHattYen
05:49:54 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if you had 1000 of them
05:49:58 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> as one of those costs 2 EUR
05:50:12 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so +- investment of 2300 EUR to have this profit
05:53:15 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but then in the EU the electrical company will probably increase your bill if you stress the grid this much in the residential area
05:54:37 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> lets say you invest 1000 EUR in solar panels e.g. https://www.alza.cz/ecoflow-2-x-400w-rigid-solar-panel-combo-d7893779.htm giving you 1600W
05:55:35 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/dmJFZuQHybuCsKOgvqt7e155nl8jBXKC
05:55:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> to have 320 of them
05:56:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 3300 EUR investment / 1.90 EUR (from 2.04 USD) = 1684.21 Days to make profit
05:57:02 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 3300 EUR investment / 1.90 EUR (from 2.04 USD) = 1684.21 Days to make profit -> 4.6 years
05:57:09 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> at least that's the best i got when i wanted to mine XMR
05:57:09 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> at least that's the best i got when i wanted to mine XMR for profit
05:59:20 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/RiLRbnMSVMYTrkjxCAaDks5mxQxvwpKm
06:01:16 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or if you get 4x AMD EPYC 9654 (~40 000 EUR)+ the solar panel for 1000 EUR -> 2519.98 days to make profit of 16.27 EUR per day
06:01:24 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or if you get 4x AMD EPYC 9654 (~40 000 EUR)+ the solar panel for 1000 EUR -> 2519.98 days (~7 years) to make profit of 16.27 EUR per day
06:03:07 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> Or, you put a cryptominer on every computer you can
06:03:09 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> That's the most efficient way of mining monero, and the kind of competition we are facing
06:03:29 <BlueyHealer> Or you infect someone and don't have to worry about it.
06:04:42 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 8x AMD EPIC 9654 gets you 1225752 H/s -> 80 000 EUR for the CPUs + 2000 EUR for solar panels => 82000 / 32,53 EUR -> ~2521 Days -> 6.9 Years
06:04:58 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 8x AMD EPIC 9654 gets you 1225752 H/s -> 80 000 EUR for the CPUs + 2000 EUR for solar panels => 82000 / 32,53 EUR -> ~2521 Days -> 6.9 Years to have profit of 32.53 EUR per day
06:05:14 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that's what i am doing and i am in negative numbers and i have 40+ computers
06:06:31 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/sdG8wX3jLMBCeLmidQeywvM18esyO1uS
06:06:38 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the calculated hashrate btw
06:07:12 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> We probably need to make `Hashrate / Watts`  to find the most efficient Chip/CPU and then structure thing from that
06:08:08 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> I meant putting a miner on every computer you have access to which is not yours
06:08:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/d6jccvx2lfMdx36qwtwcWbxIrhocFE1o
06:08:55 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> wait how is this making sense?
06:08:57 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔
06:09:05 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Sounds like another speedrun to see how fast i get kicked out of hackerspace again
06:09:24 <BlueyHealer> helasse, get access to more
06:10:37 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/YWsTECUmBUij8ITXoUId5OgOkLV443YS
06:10:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 10x ryzen 9 7950X
06:10:43 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔
06:10:46 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> according to the ad
06:12:00 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 5400 USD / 5.83 USD -> Profit of 5.83 USD per day in 926.2 days
06:12:05 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔
06:12:19 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> there is an other way of mining xmr that i can do, but i'm not sure how profitable it is and it's slow on a single computer
06:12:21 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> It's throttling the cryptominer to (for example) 10% of cpu and only running it when the computer would have to be running for something else
06:12:23 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> (the cost of running the computer is: a constant to keep it powered + something proportional to the computations being done, so this way of mining saves the cost of keeping the computer powered)
06:12:36 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> there is an other way of mining xmr that i can do, but i'm not sure how profitable it is and it's too slow on a single computer
06:12:37 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> It's throttling the cryptominer to (for example) 10% of cpu and only running it when the computer would have to be running for something else
06:12:39 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> (the cost of running the computer is: a constant to keep it powered + something proportional to the computations being done, so this way of mining saves the cost of keeping the computer powered)
06:14:00 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that's what i wanted to do to optimize the power consumption of my systems, but it doesn't get nearly enough to make it worth it in my scenario
06:14:23 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but yea that would make things a lot more functional if it worked this way
06:14:37 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> I guess i'll have to use my company's computers and throttle it at 5% of cpu to make sure no one notices
06:16:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Great thing to do for Monero PR to get it into mainstream when it's users have to infect computers with malware to make profit out of it 👍️
06:17:07 <BlueyHealer> If I had an ex, I know what I would've done to him now! ^-^
06:18:29 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hmmm
06:18:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so you say the strategy is to get lot of boys, get monero miners on their systems and then break up with them?
06:18:56 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> sounds lucrative
06:19:17 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/ef5wHJoASzzToL64g5WzSIwXl4Z3PMmb
06:19:33 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Why am i calculating that when the website has that below if i scrolled down? 🤦‍♂️
06:23:37 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://youtu.be/9QMYGxxgrbM
06:23:39 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> also relevant ig
06:24:44 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ig he makes a good point to make a mining rig for randomX mining
06:24:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> instead for dedicated XMR
06:39:56 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/XbBXkrlhHczqQsFQgbUVHvQG
06:39:57 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> LMAOOO
06:40:42 <BlueyHealer> what
06:55:36 <m-relay> <a​nnwyn:matrix.org> What's this?
06:56:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Saw some iranian on twitter posting it.
06:58:10 <m-relay> <a​nnwyn:matrix.org> Did he identify the provider denying services based on blood? I can't recognize the logo.
06:58:56 <m-relay> <a​nnwyn:matrix.org> Sounds like a Turkish bank, just wonder which one
07:08:27 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Tuman kept saying Ethereum Ethereum Ethereum Ethereum and somehow in like 6 hours of podcast it never came up that Zano has no scripting and no smart contracts
07:09:00 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> lol what does it even have then
10:10:34 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> How come i get no incoming connection on monerod when using a vpn?
10:11:42 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> I did a port forward on the router for port 18081 on my PC.
10:12:34 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> without vpn everything is ok.
10:15:03 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Most likely the port forward is not essential using a vpn.
10:16:19 <spackle> Many VPNs do not support port forwarding.
10:16:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Cause its a tunnel
10:16:37 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ivpn and mullvad stopped port forwarding
10:16:54 <spackle> Sad but true
10:17:59 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> ok - is there a way to start monerod listening on eth0
10:19:01 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Is this also true for bittorrent?
10:21:12 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> bittorrent seems to work fine.
10:23:26 <BlueyHealer> Why did they disable port forwarding??
10:24:14 <spackle> Statement from mullvad: https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/removing-the-support-for-forwarded-ports
11:02:37 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> where is the best place to find trusted monero nodes
11:03:43 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://xmrguide.org/remote_nodes
11:04:18 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Try 127.0.0.1
11:04:33 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Local node is trusted node
11:04:36 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Or ::1
11:10:32 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> i don't see that listed on xmrguide.org
11:11:16 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> getmonero.org has stackwallet as default.  that is a pretty good endorsement
11:21:45 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> remode note is not local node
12:11:33 <nioCat> if you run a local node at home and you are out and about with your phone then your local node can be your remote node 
12:15:08 <nioCat> my best miner is my 5600G shitposting comp, since it's already on I just consider the extra watts from mining and don't include the rest of the system wattage which is being used because the comp is already on
12:15:22 <nioCat> ~240H/watt
12:15:25 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> late reply because matrix: even a light load (eg. on one of 8 cores) may force a higher overall power state then at close to 0 load
12:24:56 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> HUH?
12:33:06 <m-relay> <i​gna:xmr.mx> selfhost ur own
12:55:31 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> Next step
12:56:09 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> Anyone here using monerujo?  Every single one of the default nodes is generating a "connection error"
12:56:21 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> I'm running monerujo over orbot
13:10:03 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> have you selected a tor node in node settings ?
13:10:34 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> ensure orbot is connecting to tor properly.
13:11:12 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> would advise to use invizible pro in place of orbot
13:59:52 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> Yes.  But all of them have a connection error.  So even if I select them nothing happens
14:00:13 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> Cool I will try now
14:01:30 <seasharp> Orbot and monerujo are finnicky for me. Sometimes have to try connecting to the node 4-5 times
14:01:47 <seasharp> I think it has to do with Tor routing? Works though
14:02:58 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> If I run mullvad vpn along with orbot (or invizible pro) for certain apps (like wallets) does orbot run on top of the VPN or in parallel?
14:05:45 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> Also in certain wallets you can configure them to run on tor in the wallet settings?  But its not clear what bridges are being used if any.  Should I set them up with orbot/invizible pro and them them do the leg work and leave those settings alone?  Or should I do both?  Or use only the settings in the wallets?
14:14:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Orbot traffic will be relayed through the VPN
14:15:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OH f*ck he is on matrix
14:15:39 <m-relay> <s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Orbot traffic will go through the VPN
14:16:29 <m-relay> <s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> wrong quote
14:16:38 <m-relay> <s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> answered your first question
14:51:17 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> orbot/invizible pro have 2 modes , vpn mode and proxy mode. On android you can't run 2 VPN at the same time atleast in the same profile. If you run mullvad vpn , its better use orbot/invizible pro in proxy mode
14:51:52 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> but i think monerujo only supports vpn mode
14:52:31 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> I just opened Proxy settings.  are there any default settings i can use?
14:52:46 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> you could use anonero or cakewallet for connecting to proxy mode
14:52:59 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> you could use anonero or cakewallet for connecting to tor proxy mode
14:53:43 <seasharp> For some reason I just couldn't get cakewallet to work with my hidden service. Cool wallet though 
14:54:00 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> the socks5 default port is 9050
14:54:29 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> if you set 127.0.0.1:9050 in your wallet app it should connect to tor proxy
14:54:44 <seasharp> Nice
14:58:33 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> i changed the proxy settings.  on the main orbot screen it still says "start VPN"
14:59:06 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> eventhough it says "Start VPN" now that Ive updated the proxy settings does it default to the Proxy, instead of behaving as a vpn?
14:59:12 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> there is a button on top right corner to switch to proxu mode
14:59:24 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> there is a button on top right corner to switch to proxy mode
14:59:48 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> i don't see anything in the top right corner
14:59:50 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> you don't need to change any port settings
15:00:25 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> it only says "start VPN" or "choose how to connect"
15:00:36 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> in invizible pro see the 3 dot menu
15:00:44 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> select the proxy mode
15:00:59 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> ok i will try invizible now
15:01:14 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> delete orbot
15:01:44 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> its no good?
15:02:44 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> your personal choice , but orbot generally has more updates tor binaries
15:02:52 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Invizible crash my phone for some reason lol
15:02:55 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> orbot is slow to push updates
15:03:03 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> if i use invizible it requires that i turn off private DNS.  i'd prefer to keep that if possible so i can use device wide private dns
15:03:37 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> is that because it uses its own private DNS?  DNSCrypt?
15:03:52 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> you can turn off dnscrypt i think
15:04:09 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> you can chose dnscrypt server
15:06:17 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> why can't i keep private dns settings with invizible pro?  Ideally I'd like apps like browsers to run on the VPN and automatically use private DNS, and then for wallets to run over tor.  Is this possible?
15:06:46 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> is dnscrpyt a private DNS?
15:07:27 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> i am able to use only tor in invizible pro
15:07:48 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> it doesn't use dnscrypt for me. its optional
15:08:15 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> i am using private dns in android settings at the same time
15:08:49 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/poddery.com/UxBViyjpnqUVlXppdNRUbXLv
15:09:25 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> ok.  However, invizible pro requires that i turn off the device wide private DNS.  Meaning the apps not running on tor (Like my browsers that run on normal VPN) won't be using private DNS, unless i adjust the private dns settings of each browser.  From a convenience perspective i'd prefer to have device wide private dns settings.
15:09:49 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> interesting. i was prompted to turn it off in order to use invizible pro
15:12:13 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> I think i need to create a dedicated device for crpyto.  then i can run invizible pro (only) and a separate device for VPN.  i thought i could commbine the two
15:13:11 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> I have to go now.  But thank you for your help.  Talk later.  Thanks again.  I will start studying invizible pro in more depth
16:11:05 <Anonomys25> Any tips for me while I am trying to set up the xmr miner on ish?
17:21:28 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Fixedfloat is back with new domain and UI
17:21:35 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> acting like it just had the biggest breach/hack
17:29:14 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://ff.io/
17:29:31 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> acting like it just hadn't have the biggest breach/hack
18:03:47 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> finally
18:03:47 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ooo
18:03:49 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> fancey
18:03:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> XMR not working
18:03:53 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> booo
18:04:23 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> ?
18:04:53 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> on fixedfloat
18:04:55 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> eh? BitTorrent is a crypto now?
18:05:28 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why
18:05:33 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > Get faster download speeds and BTT token rewards.
18:05:36 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> how
18:05:38 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> a potocol and  crypto
18:05:39 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> many pairs are not working
18:06:07 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what
18:06:23 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> client?
18:06:25 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> was the site down due to increasing regulations like , travel rule and fatf guidelines
18:08:13 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> judging by the redesign and stuff likely due to infrastructure management
18:08:33 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Please leave a star on my project : https://github.com/d4ndox/mnp
18:08:42 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > Popular
18:08:43 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > XMR to BTC
18:08:56 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hah
18:08:59 <m-relay> <p​epe86frog:matrix.org> using tor is like using dialup
18:09:04 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> It is just a hobby project, but perfect for hacklab suck less usecase.
18:09:12 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> thx
18:09:17 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> np i accept monero 0.5 XMR per star
18:09:19 * m-relay <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> grins
18:09:21 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bullshit
18:09:40 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> it is a hobby project.
18:09:50 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> __
18:09:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> w  c(..)o     (
18:09:53 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de>  \__(-)     __)
18:09:55 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de>      /\    (
18:09:57 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de>     /(_)___)
18:09:59 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de>    w /|
18:10:01 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de>     | \
18:10:03 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de>    m  m | Monero Named Pipes.
18:10:05 <m-relay> <p​epe86frog:matrix.org> May I recommed Elite Wallet, they use majesticbank for exchanges..
18:10:07 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what is this :D
18:10:11 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 0.7 XMR then
18:10:13 <m-relay> <p​epe86frog:matrix.org> you get a fast connection with tor?
18:10:15 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> nah i star it later <3
18:10:39 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> yea
18:10:41 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> ok. Do you accept testnet XMR?
18:10:45 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you can also force it to be fast at the cost of reduced privacy
18:11:20 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> no.
18:11:22 <m-relay> <p​epe86frog:matrix.org> well if you use tor you want privacy I would imagine.
18:11:24 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://github.com/Kreyren/nixos-config/issues/14
18:11:28 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you welcome
18:11:42 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> note the implications though there are slow relays for a reason and tor daemon should automatically adjust the speed depending on what you do on it
18:11:48 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> e.g. if you watch videos it should give you faster connection after X time
18:12:10 * m-relay <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> usually watches 1080p youtubes over tor
18:13:49 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> It's fine to exclude slow relays when you are e.g. in the EU as the fast connection is standard there
18:13:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> excluding germany
18:13:53 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they below stone age
18:13:55 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but don't worry merkel said she will fix that by 2017 will be wild
18:14:26 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> until then i am routing to the UK through switzerland from Czechia
18:14:34 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or through the sea
18:14:54 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> PLease guys . DO NOT use RASPYBLITZ for a lightning node. It is a toy for children. Buy a NUC with 8TB SSD and run a Monero node.
18:15:16 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Like real men do.
18:15:28 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the fuck is taht
18:16:33 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> And leave a star
18:21:27 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you really are a persistant with the star like getting steve bucks
18:21:33 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > But just in case George Soros follows through on his scheme to destabilize the dollar.
18:21:44 <m-relay> <system> file image.png too big to download (1009752 > allowed size: 1000000)
18:21:45 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> image.png
18:25:01 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> just kidding.
18:25:52 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> An expensive lower power thing
18:25:53 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Get a Lenono thinkcentre tiny or a Dell elitedesk tiny
18:25:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> used on ebay for 1/10 of the price of the nuc
18:25:57 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> For 1/10 of the price, you get
18:25:59 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 6 USB3 port
18:26:01 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 2 or 3 Video out
18:26:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 1 or 2 NVME slot
18:26:05 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 1 Sata SSD bay
18:26:17 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> fair enough.
18:26:21 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Then you can afford the 8TB SSD with the money you saved not buying the NUC ;)
18:27:23 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> sounds like bad deal considering the power requirements to run these and lack of open-source firmware
18:27:39 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> NVME is not necessary anyway.
18:27:42 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> There is nothing opensource about a NUC
18:27:43 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Power requirement is low on both platforms
18:27:45 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> depending on how much it costs
18:27:49 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> SATA is ok
18:28:04 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what's low
18:28:19 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, with the power difference you are going to same 4$ at the end of the year os something
18:28:21 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> that won't compensate for the extra 6-800$ for the nuc
18:28:29 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, with the power difference you are going to save 4$ at the end of the year os something
18:28:31 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> that won't compensate for the extra 6-800$ for the nuc
18:28:34 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> OSHW server from olimex is open-source hardware and software and likely better solution to what you are doing including economy wise
18:28:45 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> draws like 5 W and has SATA
18:29:06 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> we where talking about NUC and I provided a better alternative, I did not look at OSHW stuff
18:29:38 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why do you even bother with proprietary shits
18:29:47 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> 2025 the new 3 nm Intel chip might be released.
18:30:08 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> It work, it's expendable, it's cheap
18:30:14 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> screw amd64 architecture
18:30:21 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bloated shitware
18:30:33 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> and ARM chips are more proprietary than intel chip so lowl
18:30:47 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Where to buy RISC V
18:31:13 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the OLIMEX server costs 40 EUR for 10 of them if you self-fabricate them
18:31:36 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> good question, you usually pay 10X the price for 1/20 of the performance, And it's only proprietary risc-v (risc-v with extra proprietary extensions, mostly)
18:31:59 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, the Olimex server are chip, have to figure out what's the chip in theses
18:32:11 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AllWinner A64 and A20 has it's BootROM released, it's microcode is BSD the only thing that is proprietary is the FEL protocol that is used to flash the chip in case you brick it
18:32:15 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and FEL is auditable
18:32:23 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> The CPU and his microcode are proprietary
18:32:35 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> There is no free ARM chips, that does not exist
18:32:39 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AllWinner A20, A33 or A64
18:32:48 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Cortex-A53 and Cortex-A7 cores
18:32:50 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bullshit
18:32:57 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Theses are non-free proprietary arm chips
18:33:04 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Made I china, I think
18:33:32 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they are reverse-engineered by the community
18:33:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and have full linux mainline support
18:33:54 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> AllWinner are the lowend arms afaik
18:33:57 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> ah wait non
18:34:09 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> there is nothing proprietary on these even when they are arm
18:34:11 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> that's mediatek lol
18:34:24 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> riscv would be better but we ain't there technology-wise yet
18:34:34 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it ain't mediatek
18:34:39 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> can you even upgrade the ram on theses alimex servers?
18:34:50 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> if you read you understoud that yeah
18:35:15 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> You have freecads for them upgrade whatever you want
18:35:33 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ehh Kicads
18:35:36 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> (I said that the Allwiners where the lowerend arm, then I corrected myself and said that the lowend one are the mediatek)
18:35:50 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> so no upgrade, ok
18:36:02 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> oh oke
18:36:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> except if you order the PCB and pay a lot more to make them yourself, understood
18:36:15 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> can you run a node with 1GB
18:36:17 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> ?
18:36:19 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So list of compatible RAM chips to chose from
18:36:34 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> what append of the node go under attack like it append quite often recently?
18:36:48 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> OLIMEX usually supplies the boards at the highest RAM density that doesn't cause issues
18:37:00 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> zram + swap
18:37:02 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> monero node runs fine on these
18:37:22 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> lol, 1GB of compressed ram, you want a node that can't keep up or something
18:38:02 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if you want to mine on it ye it won't be enough, if you don't then it's expected to work
18:38:48 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> arm's more efficient architecture-wise for RAM it's not the hungry af amd64
18:39:21 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I have the laptop OLIMEX Teres-1 and i do complex FreeCAD and KiCAD engineering on it and run GNOME it works fine
18:39:23 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> monero node in comparison takes less resources
18:39:30 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> except that AMD64 chip kill it with like 10000% more performance extra or something
18:40:15 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> he is right about that.
18:40:35 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> for mining you would need a cluster of them which should get you more hashrate for the same cost of high-end AMD64 including the cost of solar panels see the convo above
18:40:38 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I make my node to help monero.
18:40:39 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Meaning public and have to stay up during attack.
18:40:41 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Right now it have an Epyc chip and 128GB worth of DDR.
18:40:43 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I will have to upgrade the ram for faster ram from what I saw during last attack. And maybe a better Epyc would help
18:40:45 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> We need a switch from AMD64 to RISC-V at some point
18:40:56 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Will never append, sorry
18:41:04 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> But nice dream
18:41:32 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> should happen in 2026
18:41:44 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> None of the people who actually made Risc-V chip made them as open hardware, none
18:41:57 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> It is more likely Monero will switch to SHA256 algo
18:42:07 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and like we already have the SG2042
18:42:09 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> and they are all dog slow piece of jnk at 10X the price of a 20x faster CPU
18:42:11 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 64-Cores RISCV64 CPU
18:43:05 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> RandomX and more Cores? Does that work?
18:43:10 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://milkv.io/pioneer
18:45:04 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> trying to find actual benchmark
18:45:08 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> SOPHON RISC-V C906
18:45:22 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> But the 64 cores is the SG2042
18:45:29 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Looks pretty cool, to be honest.
18:45:31 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> And Sophon make proprietary chip afaik
18:45:34 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> not open one
18:45:38 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, that's true
18:45:42 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ain't aware of anyone trying to mine XMR on it
18:46:21 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's open they even provide schematics and gerbers on request
18:46:27 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but heavily under development
18:47:39 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://github.com/milkv-pioneer
18:47:40 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I made the chip,not the motherboard
18:47:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> should have everything
18:48:16 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> SOPHON SG2042 is a risc-v bit it's not a free and opensource CPU
18:48:50 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://github.com/milkv-pioneer/opensbi should be the microcode
18:48:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the "microcode"
18:48:53 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> riscv handles that differently
18:48:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> but look neat for the 64 cores model
18:48:57 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> but it's 1400 Euro....
18:48:59 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> let see if I can compare it to a 4 years ryzen
18:49:27 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://github.com/sophgo
18:49:28 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> more things here
18:50:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> It's developer board it doesn't have the economy of scale for consumer product
18:51:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> ok, so 64 cores of that expensive SG2042 chip is about half of the performance of my 16 cores 3950X
18:51:05 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> But I can get the Ryzen plus the board at 1/5 the price lol, more performance, more memory slot, more sata, more pcie, move everything, yay!
18:51:39 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > compares consumer product against a development board
18:51:44 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's performance of the chip that I compared
18:52:07 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> But yeah, normal ATX board for PC left the development stage a long time ago
18:52:23 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> chip will be more economical once it actually works reliably
18:52:25 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Point is, i'm not paying a lot more for a lot less
18:52:30 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Sipeed is expected to make much cheaper SBCs for it
18:52:37 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> especially if it's for providing service for the comunity for free
18:53:21 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> fsck SBC when I can get a thinkcentre for 130$
18:53:23 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> for 130$ I get 1-2 nvme, 3 video out, 1 sata, 6 usb, and.... one ... metal... case....
18:53:39 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's riscv would already argue that it's providing much more
18:53:41 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> SBC where properly priced before covid
18:53:43 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> after covid, SBC when to the roof for some reason
18:53:50 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> especially for privacy and secu.. well security for a new chip is not great idea to do
18:53:56 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> no use case except if you want to put a computer in the fridge or under your car or something
18:54:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> like embeebed shit
18:54:33 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> no one audited that shit, you have no clue of how secure it is
18:54:35 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what do you want to use that for? The energy efficiency won't be better than OLIMEX server and also comes in metal case(TM)
18:54:50 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> The problem will be that commercial hardware will always be one step ahead in transistor size. I would be willing to sacrifice some performance for open hardware, but I'm not a professional miner either.
18:55:20 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, 4W vs 15W, it's more efficient.
18:55:21 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> but 15W is not 150W, it's still cheap and running that 5 years won't even cover the price difference
18:56:10 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.00381
18:57:06 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> For what workload? I am replacing my AMD64 server with that atm bcs it's better option for always-on server with XMR node and control server
18:57:07 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> is it a security audit, the prehamble is only about performance:
18:57:09 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> The Sophon SG2042 is the world's first commodity 64-core RISC-V CPU for high performance workloads and an important question is whether the SG2042 has the potential to encourage the HPC community to embrace RISC-V.
18:57:11 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> In this paper we undertaking a performance exploration of the SG2042 against existing RISC-V hardware and high performance x86 CPUs in use by modern supercomputers. Leveraging the RAJAPerf benchmarking suite, we discover that on average, the SG2042 delivers, per core, between five and ten times the performance compared to the nearest widely available RISC-V hardware. We found that<clipped message>
18:57:13 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> , on average, the x86 high performance CPUs under test outperform the SG2042 by between four and eight times for multi-threaded workloads, although some individual kernels do perform faster on the SG2042. The result of this work is a performance study that not only contrasts this new RISC-V CPU against existing technologies, but furthermore shares performance best practice.
18:57:45 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Localmonero is closing: https://t.me/LocalMonero/76247
18:57:49 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> iirc it touches on the security as well
18:57:56 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I can't believe this
18:57:59 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> A "mostly" idle load to make proper comparizon
18:58:01 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> as a full load will abliterate the metric of the SBC
18:58:43 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> 🖤
18:58:45 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> X
18:58:49 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I know it
18:58:53 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> expected it
18:58:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> said it many time
18:58:57 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> HAVENO IS REQUIRED
18:58:59 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Yes.
18:59:01 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you won't get good energy efficiency from AMD64 it's better if the OLIMEX server wakes up the AMD64 for when it needs performance
18:59:08 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Is this also because of Russia ban? Like with localbtc? Or other issues
18:59:31 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> non, it's probably because USSA attacked BTC stuff lately
18:59:39 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> and Localmonero was not untouchable so
18:59:49 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Bad news.
18:59:56 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://localmonero.co/
18:59:58 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> extremely bad now
19:00:06 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> well XMR's utility dropped to 0 then
19:00:46 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://localmonero.co/blog/announcements/winding-down
19:01:03 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Literally can't use XMR to pay for anything without local monero
19:01:04 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDeskWHYYYYYYYYYYY
19:01:05 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Why they did not just bank americanos instead?
19:01:07 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> ban*
19:01:30 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> 🖤
19:02:13 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Who will buy boosteroid subscription for me now ffs
19:02:28 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> I'm shocked to be honest.
19:02:37 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> How I will get money for rent now fk...
19:02:58 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I guess I can try to get contact info and contact them otc or something
19:03:48 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> ohh localmonero is shutting down !
19:04:26 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Haveno is java
19:04:33 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Now more than ever. Monero
19:04:42 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> how exactly is that supposed to be any good
19:05:57 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's no good, I been complening for Haveno since more than a year for a reason, it needed to be online BEFORE that append
19:06:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> TF
19:06:34 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> The only software I know that is implemented in Java and works well is Bisq. But they don't understand the UNIX concept either.
19:07:08 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> anonymity by default, for all monero trades ?
19:07:22 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Serai is not even live yet
19:08:20 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> archive https://localmonero.co/knowledge
19:08:30 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> (was talking about haveno) but theres no public announcement on their end yet
19:08:54 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> you mean that: https://localmonero.co/blog/announcements/winding-down ?
19:09:17 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So basically there is no DEX for monero now -> XMR is unusable as a cryptocurrency rn
19:09:19 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Haveno is the Bisq clone, isn't it?
19:09:36 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, and the beta was working mostly find more than a year ago
19:09:37 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> basicswap dex is active
19:09:50 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> How I can cash with basicswap I wonder....
19:09:51 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> haveno dex didnt make any public announcement on what's holding up the public release ever since it got released as 1.0.0
19:09:58 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> haveno dex didnt make any public announcement on what's holding up the public release ever since it got released as 1.0.0 , so yea, waiting on that
19:10:15 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> We pretty sure its the same reason LM exiting
19:10:25 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Concil is toochable
19:11:16 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Is that even trustworthy? I need to pay for things with XMR
19:12:38 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> e.g. paying with XMR to get a boosteroid subscription from G2a.com
19:12:39 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> bro it has atmoic swaps. no need to trust
19:13:03 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> A minute's silence for localmonero , please.
19:13:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You need to trust the atomic swap implementation tbf
19:13:10 <m-relay> <k​arano:poddery.com> but it only has crypto-crypto pairs
19:13:21 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i need XMR -> Product service
19:14:33 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> thx
19:14:44 <randyr_> rip
19:15:27 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So i have to do XMR -> BTC to get services now
19:15:29 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that makes XMR basically useless for me
19:15:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> poor woodser
19:16:25 <BlueyHealer> I buy Monero for cash so it's not a problem rn, but I wonder how the fees would be for a $5 payment...
19:16:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> works on haveno for years, ux team gave up because of price, take some delay, community's angry because of board drama. everyone call haveno to be shit. 1.0.0 tagged, no release (probably for good reason), continue to be harassed by its fans
19:16:56 <BlueyHealer> BTC's fees
19:17:11 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> The fees are insane for doing XMR -> BTC -> Product
19:17:31 <BlueyHealer> I know they are insane but wonder what $5 could turn into
19:18:13 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> last time i tried 5 USD to pay for protonmail it costs me 20 EUR
19:18:37 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Darknet going down loool
19:19:48 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> @ ofrn
19:19:52 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> lol
19:20:12 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> basicswap is WIP
19:20:27 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> every Monero project rn is WIP
19:20:58 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So there is no way to get XMR -> Product anymore
19:21:01 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> basicswap work fine
19:21:05 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> but it does not do fiat
19:21:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> exactly
19:21:49 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Klaus is not thrilled if you pay with Monero.
19:21:54 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> plenty of place accept the XMR, that is not the problem
19:22:11 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> problem is getting the toilet paper all normies accept....
19:22:16 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what about the places that don't
19:22:18 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457
19:22:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> obviously tengible shit like the store or the landlord lol
19:23:38 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> localmonero solved that for me =-=
19:25:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So... If I get it right, ofrnxmr wants to be particl devs' boss ?
19:25:41 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> With CBDC the day would have come anyway from fiat to Monero and vice versa.
19:26:46 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Better now, then we are one step ahead.
19:27:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> apparently haveno has a test network we can already use
19:27:47 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/blob/master/docs/installing.md
19:28:12 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> that what I was wondering lol, isn't he new to the team?
19:30:04 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean, he could be new but good at coordination, but a "BasicSwapDex project manager" would be clearer imo. Tho he might hate this kind of vocabulary
19:30:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean, he could be new but good at coordination, and "BasicSwapDex project manager" would be clearer imo. Tho he might hate this kind of vocabulary
19:30:26 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> Thoughts on eXch?
19:30:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> used once, worked good
19:30:44 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Well XMR is dead to me rn, i am moving most of my XMR assets to silver and when there is a way to do XMR -> Product without getting scamed then ping me plz
19:31:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Alright I'll ping you a random meme I have on my hard drive
19:31:55 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> /myroomnick ping me when XMR to product is a thing again
19:31:58 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> aaa fractal!
19:32:07 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> can localmonero open source their frontend and backend?
19:32:27 <m-relay> <l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> is woodser present on matrix ?
19:32:39 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> That would be great
19:32:41 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but how are you going to manage the escrow
19:33:10 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> not that i know of
19:33:28 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> I like silver, but it is very heavy.
19:33:32 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes on https://matrix.to/#/%23haveno%3Amonero.social?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=envs.net
19:34:35 <plowsof> Invest in aluminium , much lighter 
19:35:09 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> much lighter including the value
19:35:16 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Bitcoin/Monero and Gold/Silver
19:35:38 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> good combo
19:35:48 <nioCat> plowsof: air is lighter and more necessary 
19:35:54 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > Failed to join #Haveno:monero.social
19:35:56 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> eeeee
19:37:50 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Buy the bad news - guys. i will increase monero by 10k USD tomorrow.
19:38:04 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Fuck bitcoin and their fees
19:38:14 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> If you do XMR -> BTC to pay for things you are terrorist
19:38:55 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> You could say the same thing about silvver and premiums.
19:39:19 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://exch.cx/faq#aggregation
19:39:24 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> silver doesn't have fees
19:39:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> have option for clean BTC
19:39:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Shane live in switzerland confirmed
19:40:15 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> But disproportionately high minting costs.
19:40:36 <m-relay> <o​rban.1:matrix.org> Can eXch be compromised as we'll?
19:42:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> me no idea
19:43:10 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Shane could post on fucking localmonero.co and exchange XMR for physical silver and vice-versa!
19:56:57 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Actually
19:57:07 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Localmonero shutting down will probably drive the price down significantly and launch of Haveno to drive the value of XMR up significantly
19:57:14 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is this pump and dump scheme
19:57:46 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> They even locked the support rooms lol
19:58:05 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> The only things they needed to do is to move there infrastructure to Russia and Block Russians and USSA users
19:59:13 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> where is it located?
19:59:29 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Omg can we keep this to one room
19:59:31 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> in some non important island
19:59:33 <plowsof> The only recent update to the canary was 1 extra bogus request https://localmonero.co/canary
19:59:36 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >move there infrastructure to Russia and Block Russians
19:59:37 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> tf?
19:59:45 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> naaa, use all available rooms!
20:00:01 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Do XMR -> boosteroid subscription for me and we can
20:00:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 5 convos of the same thing
20:00:10 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I NEED MY GENSHIN IMPACT KURVA DRAT
20:00:48 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Multithread!
20:06:12 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://exch.cx/faq#data_collection 
20:06:13 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> bad elaboration
20:06:29 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >We don't collect any metadata.
20:06:31 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> makes no sense
20:13:39 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> misinfo about Android in telegram linked repo
20:13:54 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://exch.cx/faq#why_no_telegram
20:14:05 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >there is no storage sandboxing on mobile devices
20:20:10 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >Android 10:
20:20:11 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >Scoped Storage gives you more control over your files and can limit what can access external storage. Apps can have a specific directory in external storage as well as the ability to store specific types of media there.
20:20:13 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> >Tighter access on device location by introducing the ACCESS_BACKGROUND_LOCATION permission. This prevents apps from accessing the location when running in the background without express permission from the user.
20:24:05 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> in the meantime, heres the localmonero alternatives: https://kycnot.me/?t=exchange
20:29:12 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I need XMR -> Product
20:29:38 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> what product ?
20:29:51 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> also reddit is filled with posts that majesticbank is a scam unsure how true it is
20:30:45 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Boosteroid from G2A for example without doing XMR -> BTC
20:35:16 <m-relay> <a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> Moneromarket.io is still up and running.
20:37:16 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> how would that help
20:37:28 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> fiat 404 not found
20:38:18 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> stop 👏 using 👏 the 👏 fucking 👏 VPN
20:38:21 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Some Russian must fucking clone 1:1 localmonero and done
20:38:33 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> moneromarkets.io works on tor for me
20:38:36 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> localmonero should put a goal of X monero to publish backend + frontend code
20:38:52 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And make open source
20:39:18 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk Can you just gift code to russians?
20:39:20 <m-relay> <a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> Fiat to XMR transactions can and have been arranged on Moneromarket.io.
20:39:52 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> painful, afaik it won't support all currency
20:40:01 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> but can be dons
20:40:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> done**
20:40:35 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Very shitty experience I would say, to trade coins via monero market
20:40:57 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Local monero just make open source and some trusted Russian/CIS dev in our community should put it up and online
20:40:59 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Done
20:41:18 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Like p2pool dev or xmr.ru site mods
20:41:41 <BlueyHealer> unkn8wn69, that would be legit dangerous there though. More like somewhere else that is not as harassing.
20:41:49 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I'm sadly not ready to think haveno will come around and fix our problems very soon
20:42:36 <BlueyHealer> I mean hosting in Russia... Idk how long you would last if you want to deal with crypto there.
20:46:21 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> In Russia and CIS people dont have these liquidity problems because they are all in OTC groups and have their own contacts. We just need a system to build such groups. There are some projects like this such as vexl
20:47:52 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk open source frontend and backend when?
20:48:02 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> never
20:49:03 <m-relay> <a​lex:agoradesk.com> There's already an opensource backend and frontend that you will be able to use very soon: Haveno.
20:49:55 <nioCat> soon™
20:50:34 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> emphasis on the ™
20:50:46 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's a variable multiplier
20:50:50 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> between 1 and infinity
20:51:19 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i mean, did woodser contact you guys in the background saying that ? or are you guys just assuming the release date ?
20:51:47 <m-relay> <a​lex:agoradesk.com> Haveno is already at v1.0, we're clearly on the final stretch.
20:51:49 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> assumption ofc
20:52:06 <nioCat> the release date has remined constant
20:52:19 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Run LocalMonero until Haveno is that "soon" then
20:52:21 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Just give the code and we can put it in a nice and happy russian server.... please???
20:52:33 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can be online today!!!!
20:52:39 <nioCat> alex it seems the most recent delay is due to something that is not technical
20:52:46 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Then just redirect LM user to new russian platform
20:52:54 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> pain cancelled, EASY!
20:53:03 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> please!
20:53:34 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can even backup the DB so we keep same users and ads
20:53:39 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> okay, well i wished woodser gave an eta or any update on the release of haveno, may be the final stretch but the lack of public annoucnements isnt helping
20:53:54 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> would be great... Don't want to do it anymore? Fine... Let someone else fscking do it instead of killing it
20:53:56 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I mean Alex and the LM team have done such a great work. I want to thank again. You could make a CSS for open sourcing of local monero, it'll be filled in a day.
20:54:05 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> haveno is 1 man job?
20:54:30 <m-relay> <c​0mmando:hackliberty.org> 🍯
20:55:08 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or maybe he knows more than us and haveno will launch any minute now
20:55:40 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's not going to launch in any minute
20:56:03 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> like they said imminent release of haveno in the blog post
20:56:12 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I agree
20:56:19 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> maybe its intentional lol, let chaos unfold and save the day with that release
20:56:24 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I mean local monero wouldn't close until there is a better platform to take over...
20:56:26 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Right???
20:56:36 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de/PZVjgzAA6gnosjNB6Q0nM9AslJsEz6Uo
20:57:03 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I hope at least. Local monero has been top one answer on "how to get xmr", aside from kraken that's KYC and only in a few countries
20:57:16 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> haveno's v1.0 and we know that the delay is not technical
20:57:20 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> logic checks out
20:57:22 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if i moved my XMR to silver only to miss getting lambo i am murdering all of you btw
20:57:43 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Imminent been "™️" since two years or something
20:57:54 <nioCat> yes imminent since Dec 2022 
20:58:29 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ^
20:58:32 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why would he said it this way then
20:58:57 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and more importantly why is he making us do a guess work
20:59:01 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> =-=
20:59:23 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Not his style normally
20:59:28 <nioCat> you are assuming that he knows everything 
20:59:42 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> He talked very open about possibility of LM closing in the future on monerotalk
20:59:48 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ikr
21:00:04 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> haveno ppl said that they rely on LM for funding and infra
21:00:05 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I'm guessing for regulatory pressure + now he can't speak openly
21:00:13 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it would make sense to shut down LM
21:00:20 <BlueyHealer> unkn8wn69, I doubt a govt would like a service for non-kyc purchase of digital cash.
21:00:43 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And just trying to make it seem not "as bad", hoping haveno can take over fast for p2p fiat-xmr
21:01:30 <BlueyHealer> Why Russia of all places and not some random middle of nowhere? They might also very well crack down on crypto, LM would last even less.
21:01:50 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> USSA can access everywhere
21:02:08 <m-relay> <a​js_:matrix.org> doubt it… haveno structure, as planned, is too centralized to be considered a real dex
21:02:09 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> except russia and china... and maybe some other asian countries
21:02:27 * m-relay <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> would do switzerland
21:03:07 <BlueyHealer> ravfx, yea, but these would want to crack down on crypto even more than US ever would.
21:03:30 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but they also shut down agoradesk which is BTC
21:03:49 <BlueyHealer> Like... Obviously you cannot ban crypto there, but you can 100% get in deep trouble for running a service like this.
21:04:00 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yo everyone, keep your localmonero vendors contacts to be able to keep trading fiat->xmr until haveno launches
21:04:03 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> putting it at russia or china will make it worse
21:04:23 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Russia has been largely the most liberal against crypto, especially since they use it internally to evade sanctions both on personal and national scale
21:04:30 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, that's the plan
21:04:31 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> and might continue to do so after it even launch
21:05:07 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> And russia going to tell the USSA glowies to fsck themself if they ask anything related to the servers
21:05:12 <BlueyHealer> Yea, that is true. But there have been rumors about crackdowns too. Also if a guy got in trouble for running a Tor node, a whole non-kyc crypto trading site would be an insane target.
21:05:30 <sech1> There are dozens instant exchangers in Russia that support Monero <-> Fiat, I don't know what crackdown you're talking about
21:05:52 <BlueyHealer> ravfx, they would not mind using crypto by themselves. They would mind their citizens doing so.
21:06:06 <BlueyHealer> sech1, yea, that's why I said rumors.
21:06:24 <BlueyHealer> I personally buy with cash from a known guy, but idk where he takes it.
21:07:03 <BlueyHealer> Kind of don't know if it is safe to say outright that I use crypto... The legal status is dubious. But whatever, I cannot unsay things anyway.
21:08:17 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Exactly
21:08:58 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And even if they arrest anyone on behalf, they just get recruited to GRU haha
21:09:06 <sech1> There are even offices in Moscow where you can go and get piles of cash for your crypto
21:09:08 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Like with rEvil..
21:09:18 <BlueyHealer> sech1, how many of those are easy to use anonymously? Never dealt with Bestchange.
21:09:19 <sech1> In literal business district in the center
21:09:30 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> fuuu, maybe I should just dump latam and move to russia
21:09:43 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> ahh fk, it's cold nooo
21:09:48 <BlueyHealer> sech1, the offices I have seen listings for require ID, and/or are for huge sums only.
21:10:24 <sech1> XMR <-> online banking obviously has KYC on the bank side
21:10:44 <BlueyHealer> unkn8wn69, recruitment of admins would put the citizens in danger, but yea, citizens have to protect themselves anyway.
21:10:46 <sech1> I don't know how cash in person works, never tried it there
21:11:02 <BlueyHealer> I have looked at some listings but they wanted KYC.
21:11:37 <BlueyHealer> sech1, bank - yea, was thinking about things like Qiwi that you can pay at a terminal. Never used that so idk, is this possible?
21:12:09 <BlueyHealer> ravfx, you could move if or when the regime is gone.
21:12:29 <sech1> Qiwi? Wasn't it shut down last year?
21:12:47 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> naa, too cold
21:13:06 <BlueyHealer> ravfx, even withoit climate it would be far, far too dangerous now.
21:13:15 <BlueyHealer> sech1, I used it as an example.
21:13:47 <sech1> I don't know, I don't use them
21:15:12 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I'm on many Russian forums and have many contacts in Russia and CIS and everyone always told me its easiest fiat <-> crypto there IRL.
21:15:13 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Online I've used dozens of services both p2p listed on forums (where Russian forums have well thought out trust and deposit systems) and also with instant fiat - crypto swappers
21:15:15 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Never bad experience
21:15:16 <BlueyHealer> I know one network of terminals KYCs you by phone number, but idk about others - whether they allow filling a random wallet KYCless or whether the KYC is just after filling tbe recipient.
21:15:18 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> P2P low AF fees and instant swaps are mostly OK fees, some bad
21:15:50 <BlueyHealer> Yea, maybe. But a huge international exchange agregator would probably be dangerous.
21:16:01 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> You can get everything anonymous in Russia, even bank accounts
21:16:15 <BlueyHealer> But that would be very risky.
21:16:21 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> At least through the web..
21:16:36 <BlueyHealer> Bank accounts are identity theft and risk you prison time.
21:17:44 <sech1> There are no anonymous bank accounts in Russia
21:17:50 <BlueyHealer> Exactly.
21:18:13 <BlueyHealer> Technically there are, just like everywhere, but it is insanely dangerous and insanely illegal.
21:18:46 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> In Russia you have that right?
21:18:47 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/pGSqZCYrhvgnlSatqoFWhhOO
21:18:53 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Like we have in latam
21:19:08 <sech1> Many ATMs in Russia can both give out and take cash
21:19:13 <BlueyHealer> Also wouldn't instant swaps require some online Paypal-like wallet or a bank card? A human can at least wait until you go downstairs to a terminal.
21:19:28 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> so you can buy XMR from random ATM too?
21:19:37 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> that better if it's the case?
21:19:41 <sech1> There are also "terminals"
21:19:46 <BlueyHealer> sech1, what banks support that?
21:19:46 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> -?+!
21:19:51 <sech1> Which are not ATMs, but they take cash
21:20:06 <BlueyHealer> I have never seen ones that don't require a bank card first, but have not looked closely.
21:20:22 <m-relay> <u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Checkout bestchange.com, aggregated and curated list of swaps. Check the review scores before swapping.
21:20:27 <BlueyHealer> Yes.
21:20:30 <sech1> Yes, you put your card first, then you can deposit cash
21:20:43 <BlueyHealer> Yea, and this is KYC, so dangerous.
21:20:55 <sech1> No KYC at terminals though
21:20:59 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> oh noo, I mean, like...
21:21:01 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> contact give you a code
21:21:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> just type the code in atm, without using card, then cash flow
21:21:08 <sech1> But limited list of services you can pay/refill there
21:21:14 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I was totally certain they had that in russia, but maybe it was not true
21:21:16 <BlueyHealer> I would not buy KYC like this just in case crypto possession becomes illegal tomorrow and there is such a clear trail forever.
21:21:35 <BlueyHealer> ravfx, never seen such a system.
21:21:46 <BlueyHealer> I wasn't looking closely, again.
21:22:29 <BlueyHealer> Closest suspicion was Tinkoff that offered filling a card by its number or by a phone number, but no idea if it KYCs you later.
21:23:03 <BlueyHealer> I wonder if human traders usually can tolerate waiting while you go downstairs to the terminal...
21:23:28 <BlueyHealer> The much trickier question is how you exchange TO fiat.
21:23:39 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> if your not waiting in the noon sun for 15 minutes in the tropics it's fine
21:24:09 <sech1> LocalBitcoins/LocalMonero both had time to fulfill the trade, usually 30 minutes-1 hour
21:24:17 <sech1> so going downstairs is fine
21:24:18 <BlueyHealer> sech1, and Bestchange ones?
21:24:28 <BlueyHealer> But ye, nice to know.
21:24:35 <sech1> I guess so
21:24:56 <BlueyHealer> I don't even need this personally, but it nonetheless gives me peace of mind.
21:25:17 <sech1> "Asking for a friend", I see :D
21:25:37 <BlueyHealer> Why? I already have a source. For CASH of all things)
21:25:54 <BlueyHealer> I might be the one who sells it in uni if needed.
21:26:08 <BlueyHealer> IF this doesn't become dangerous.
21:26:36 <BlueyHealer> I probably should not have talked about using XMR online, but the deed is done already.
21:27:40 <sech1> You're going to sell XMR for cash, or buy XMR with cash? The difference is huge
21:27:42 <BlueyHealer> At least my goals for using it are not a secret and harmless, so I have a peace of mind in that.
21:28:08 <BlueyHealer> sech1, what difference is there if it is between peers you know in-person?
21:28:29 <BlueyHealer> Probably won't be going through because I am a coward. But fun to think about.
21:28:32 <sech1> Because if you buy XMR with cash from random people, and that cash ends up in some dirty business, or even worse, in a certain country (you know which one)...
21:29:00 <BlueyHealer> Idk, the guy isn't exactly "random".
21:29:35 <BlueyHealer> Idk where he buys it though. But I suspect he is using crypto as stonks, so probably a centralized exchange.
21:30:31 <BlueyHealer> Also... Is cash tracked automatically to THIS extent?
21:30:59 <sech1> Cash is not tracked, but people are tracked when needed. Who met with who and so on
21:31:49 <BlueyHealer> Yea, I just don't know if a random acquaintance can really get in trouble for this. At least whether saod acquaintance has more chance of teouble than a normal everyday deadly roulette.
21:33:02 <BlueyHealer> Anyway, I have no idea how people cash out safely KYCless, mildly  curious about this now.
21:33:55 <sech1> I'm not saying anything, but if the chain of people is too short and it ends on you, you can get in trouble https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2023/06/21/fsb-zaderzhala-rossiyanina-za-donati-vsu-v-kriptovalyute-a46659
21:35:10 <BlueyHealer> Okay...
21:35:15 <sech1> Which is why I said that the difference is huge, whether you buy or sell XMR
21:35:41 <BlueyHealer> My crypto goes to things like a domain registrar though.
21:35:56 <BlueyHealer> Idk how unsafe this is.
21:37:10 <sech1> Probably safer with Monero, if you sell Monero for cash. They can't track where it goes after
21:37:46 <sech1> So you can't get in trouble randomly because your peer sent BTC to someone who then sent it to a wrong place
21:37:54 <BlueyHealer> I would not rely just on Monero with a higher threat model, but for mine just the built-in anonymity should be okay.
21:38:19 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like articmine’s theory with coin swapping
21:38:34 <BlueyHealer> Even if there are ways to track it somewhat - probably they would not be wasted on someone who just has IRC and a cringe website.
21:40:35 <plowsof> monerobull https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/kraken-powered-by-dlt-finance-asset-support 
21:40:52 <plowsof> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1cmljsd/kraken_delisting_monero/
21:42:02 <BlueyHealer> I think that even once card payments work again, I would be sticking with Monero just because it feels more comfortable to not leave a billable card with somebody.
21:42:21 <nioCat> plowsof: AIUI that is for Germany 
21:42:28 <plowsof> Kraken says auf wiedersehen to XMR for its German clients. XMR will be set to withdrawal-only mode on July 10, 2024: 
21:42:48 <plowsof> thanks nioCat, i should have lead with that 
21:43:11 <nioCat> also zcash being delisted but pepe remains
21:43:19 <plowsof> lol
21:43:39 <BlueyHealer> I cannot even tell if this is a joke or not, wtf is this scene.
21:43:41 <plowsof> thats not a joke 
21:43:52 <BlueyHealer> Pepe existing?
21:44:04 <plowsof> pepe existing AND support on kraken to continue 
21:44:12 <BlueyHealer> Lol
21:44:38 <nioCat> coins only exist to trade, not to use
21:44:49 <BlueyHealer> And to hoard!
21:45:00 <nioCat> true  :)
21:46:11 <BlueyHealer> I am most worried about crypto-accepting businesses with this, this is one case where I would prefer a big exchange.
21:46:21 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> hi guys
21:46:23 <badjabber> premine coins with no purpose but to enrich their creators are ok i guess, but not something that's useful
21:46:27 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> i need help
21:47:01 <BlueyHealer> badjabber, and don't allow using them on non-custodial wallets, most importantly!
21:47:06 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> i have a wallet xmr delisted in binance
21:47:28 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> but i have recevied 2 pyement after delisting
21:47:28 <badjabber> yeah you need to be stuck on an exchange BlueyHealer.  Banks forever!
21:47:37 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> for verify transaction
21:47:58 <BlueyHealer> Why would you mind this though? Your money would be actually protected, badjabber!
21:48:08 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> them request me "view key"
21:48:19 <badjabber> f500 what's the problem if you already received the xmr?
21:48:23 <badjabber> you have more stuck?
21:48:35 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> i mining using xmrig
21:48:51 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> in supportxmr pool
21:48:51 <badjabber> BlueyHealer yeah :(
21:49:00 <sech1> Mining directly to binance wallet? Not a smart decision
21:49:13 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> where i find viewkey?
21:49:16 <badjabber> ah... you mined into it after the delisting?
21:49:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> f500 this is not the binance support team speaking, how may i help you
21:49:22 <sech1> Exchanges are not your wallet, damn it!
21:49:42 <sech1> You go in, you exchange, you withdraw
21:49:49 <sech1> You leave 0 at the exchange
21:49:52 <badjabber> in cli wallet you can get your viewkey by typing 'viewkey' or something like that.  They should NOT need it though that's weird
21:49:54 <sech1> or you're asking for trouble
21:50:08 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> you where mining to your binance wallet address?
21:50:24 <badjabber> probably mined after feb 20th
21:50:31 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> they say they need the key of the pool who sent the data
21:50:41 <sech1> that's never going to happen
21:50:49 <sech1> supportxmr mining wallet viewkey, I mean
21:50:49 <badjabber> they don't, they know you deposited to them
21:51:11 <badjabber> they are giving you a difficult task hoping you'll give up
21:51:17 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> i have create wallet in 2022 i think
21:51:26 <sech1> they're probably asking not for a viewkey, but for a transaction proof
21:51:51 <sech1> which is tx private key + the address it was sent to
21:52:05 <badjabber> you could link them to the supportxmr page tracking the deposit address
21:52:12 <sech1> but it is supportxmr admin who will need to run commands in their wallet
21:52:51 <badjabber> the supportxmr page will show records of the txs going to binance but it won't be blockchain lvl crypto proof of tx
21:52:54 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> rip local monero
21:53:07 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> @Snipa22 or @M5M400 , can you help me?
21:53:23 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> we need decentralized p2p trading lol
21:53:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> f500 please follow the conversation on https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240507#c373720 (you have replies waiting) . you can still respond here
21:54:22 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> can anyone help?
21:54:49 <sech1> what exactly do they ask for? The exact phrase they used?
21:56:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> f500:  click the monerologs link, read, and reply here. thanks
21:56:07 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> don't use binance
21:56:28 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> bitcoinisgold / xmr dot se please dont say mean things to use when you hear about LM
21:56:30 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> i bet most of the xmr is not converted to usdt
21:56:44 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> i bet most of the xmr is now converted to usdt
21:58:05 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😅
21:58:26 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> i cant reply on monerologs
21:58:32 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> they ask verify transaction
21:58:35 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> https://xmrchain.net/tx/c76a67b93d47540fd2fc99c2ee9c53ac72b2ee690844a4e3d77d126165241ae6
21:59:13 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> need my wallet id (i have) and private viewkey ( idont have)
21:59:45 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> check xmrig wallet for view key
22:00:06 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> best to use own wallet not exchange wallet
22:00:13 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes f500, reply here and read on monerologs (there are issues with delayed messages coming through)
22:00:40 <sech1> If this transaction goes to their wallet, they don't need view key. They already see it.
22:00:52 <sech1> Unless they just disabled their wallet already
22:01:09 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> i dont' have xmrig wallet, only app for mining
22:01:53 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> ok first disable mining
22:01:54 <sech1> Then they ask for proof that this transaction sends funds to your address. It will require tx private key which only supportxmr admin can give you.
22:02:13 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> change wallet address to ur own wallet form feather wallet
22:02:15 <plowsof> thanks sech1
22:02:38 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> how much binance xmr u have in those 2 payments ?
22:02:41 <sech1> On that page https://xmrchain.net/tx/c76a67b93d47540fd2fc99c2ee9c53ac72b2ee690844a4e3d77d126165241ae6 you have "Prove sending" tab. You'll see what is needed there
22:04:29 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> 0,19911801 total
22:04:42 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> rip
22:05:00 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> try to convert them to usdt
22:05:04 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> if u can
22:05:07 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> it is by principle to recover them, not by the sum
22:05:09 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> i cant
22:05:16 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> rip
22:05:41 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> on binance never arrived becouse send AFTER delisting
22:06:00 <m-relay> <c​hoise:matrix.org> Rip
22:06:14 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> bet binance have the monero wallet
22:06:34 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> try support ticket with binance
22:07:13 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> worst cast assume those funds binance has eaten sadly
22:07:17 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> already done, and they specifically asked me for the viewkey
22:07:55 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> i bet binance wallet view key only binance can tell
22:08:36 <sech1> If they want viewkey for supportxmr wallet, this is ridiculous
22:08:48 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> or else try supportxmr pool owner for view key
22:09:09 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> pool owner must have the first mining pool view key
22:09:27 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> have you a irc channel for contact them?
22:10:10 <sech1> "The pool operators are M5M400 and Snipa22 who can be reached in the #monero-pools IRC or at support⊙sc Please be patient and someone will get back to you"
22:10:20 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> what does their website say about contacts
22:10:34 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> they send in this irc channel xD
22:10:57 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> what ? who send ?
22:11:09 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> Getting started is easy and this pool has a large and friendly community that are happy to help you. The pool operators are M5M400 and Snipa22 who can be reached in the #monero-pools IRC
22:11:20 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> https://supportxmr.com/ help section
22:11:30 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> oh
22:11:49 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> so only they have the wallet details
22:11:57 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-pools:monero.social but uhh your matrix dot org account may not even see replies (no monerologs to help the delay) so better just email them
22:12:04 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> so they must have the view keys
22:12:39 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> ok i try email
22:13:31 <sech1> They will not give you view keys
22:13:40 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> f500: enter #monero-pools:monero.social
22:13:45 <sech1> I said it's ridiculous and it's not what you need to prove sending
22:13:46 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> click it
22:13:59 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> in matrix channel
22:14:05 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> say hi
22:14:13 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> over their :p
22:14:17 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😅
22:15:47 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> misunderstanding f500 - may not be possible , but you never know
22:16:16 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> f500: what matrix client are you using ?
22:16:31 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> https://app.element.io/ xD
22:16:48 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yes use that
22:17:11 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> nice you are on that channel
22:20:45 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> send e-mail
22:20:47 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> we will see
22:23:47 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for contacting the not binance support team. please enjoy the rest of your day and fill in the feedback form after you close this window
22:26:01 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lol
22:28:26 <m-relay> <f​500:matrix.org> 😅
22:33:18 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> best is to remove view keys problem solved
22:33:23 <m-relay> <0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 🫠