01:48:45 https://twitter.com/monerobull/status/1788022967714115925 04:35:17 RIP LocalMonero!!! 05:44:39 CL 06:06:29 Copying from -community 06:06:29 monerobull: It seems like they simply removed all the coins that their custodian doesn't have support for 06:06:29 On that list there's also fairly new coins that are quite popular 06:06:29 SUI, SEI, INJ for instance 06:12:04 yeah but moving everyone over to that custodian is effectively delisting Monero from germany 06:17:16 Why is going to close? I have read the announcement but unsure about real reasons 06:20:29 Prolly the same reason as for incognito and many other privacy projects. The shit fucking USA. 06:53:57 Yet they chose that custodian 07:03:54 What incognito? 07:11:29 The EU and UK are just as controlling on this issue. 07:12:29 People need to use those privileged passports and flee authoritarian, oppressive governments 07:19:18 wasn't incognito an drug market that exit scammed? 07:23:00 Yea, that was the first association, but this is not a "privacy project" in the usual sense. 07:36:03 yes 07:36:18 but there was also a crypto project called incognito 08:01:04 incognito dex? 08:12:09 incognito.org 08:12:11 they had some weird wrapping system 08:18:04 They have some weird UI. 08:18:27 yeah then incognito dex 09:16:42 https://localmonero.co/canary 09:21:38 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Domain up 4 sale? 09:24:34 The closure is set against a backdrop of increasing scrutiny and regulatory actions targeting privacy-focused cryptocurrencies and platforms in the United States. Indeed, these regulatory enforcements raise concerns about the future of privacy in the digital asset industry. 09:25:01 https://beincrypto.com/localmonero-p2p-platform-shutdown/ 09:25:52 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I would see what alex says 09:26:06 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Straight from the horses mouth 09:26:30 its especially scary since they are incorporated via a PO box in the British Virgin Islands 09:27:03 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/qTHxaiyRdvroTKtMYETfnwkl 09:27:05 hi guys. can somebody explain difference between "main" and "mini" chains? 09:28:08 hello 09:28:43 on the mini chain you will get find shares more frequently with low hashrate 09:28:50 on the mini chain you will find shares more frequently with low hashrate 09:28:59 but those shares pay out less 09:29:25 on the main chain you will find shares less frequently but when you do find one, it will pay out a lot more 09:29:46 hello 09:29:47 on the mini chain you will find shares more frequently with low hashrate 09:29:49 but those shares pay out less 09:29:51 on the main chain you will find shares less frequently but when you do find one, it will pay out a lot more 09:30:21 with 3k H/s you might want to select mini 09:30:45 otherwise it might take multiple weeks to find your first share 09:31:06 got it, thanks a lot! 09:31:09 make sure to participate in the xmrvsbeast hashrate raffle! 09:31:25 it boosts profitability by ~2-3x 09:31:50 it's awesome that you are mining to p2pool instead of a centralized one, keep it up! 09:48:12 Please remember. You have a right to privacy. It is not granted to you by a state. When the decentralised exchanges are up and running, they can only act in a totalitarian way to stop Monero and have to drop the mask. 09:49:05 Drop what mask? Everyone knows it is hostile anyway and just submits because they can do nothing. 09:52:48 If you can't even exchange money privately, then we have completely different problems. Then we'll be exchanging goods for cigarettes again. 09:55:02 From private individual to private individual. 09:55:50 Yes. Incognito wallet. 09:57:00 cash is such king 09:58:30 cash is at the mercy of the central bank 09:59:08 Yea, although here it does not seem like they could take it away any time soon. 09:59:33 youd be surprised how quickly that can change 09:59:41 btw, EU already voted for a 3000€ limit on cash purchases 09:59:45 exactly what I was going to say 10:00:05 in some country it is already a 1000€ limit 10:00:20 and now add 10 years of inflation 10:00:28 500€ limit 10:01:08 I mean... I wouldn't be against ditching cash completely, its just that I have to trust banks and gov... 10:01:27 if only there was some kind of trustless decentralized digital cash out there 10:01:40 within 30 years you can completely kill cash if you just dont adjust the limits to inflation. you can do it much quicker if you push for it. 10:02:05 i like paying for gas with a single bill 10:03:14 syntheticbird, how would you live without owning money and with all your purchases trackable?? 10:03:17 How?? 10:05:01 You seems to forget the only reason privacy is important is because trust is infinitely limited. In a fantastic world where the gov would never do bad things and be perfect to humankind, I would have no reason to not trust them and therefore give up my privacy 10:05:12 Trustless decentralized digital cash? The requirements for me would be a) being usable without a computer/smartphone because I would not want to be carrying a tracking device on every walk and b) obviously being anonymous. But doubt it could get such a traction that grannies selling berries on the train station would take it lol. 10:05:53 syntheticbird, I mean even in case of trust, there must be some ruleset, and ruleset cannot cover 100% of cases 100% correctly. 10:06:01 I was joking BlueyHealer... jic I was referring to monero here 10:06:10 Everyone ends up breaking the law in some way or another. 10:06:32 Silver and Monero for digital payment seems a good combination. 10:06:56 syntheticbird, ye, I got what you were referring to) But so far idk how much it would be usable without a phone/computer in physical world. 10:13:04 ah yeah you're right. There was some project 7 years ago for bitcoin's cash. Printers would simply create a wallet and transfer the amount of the bill into it, then they print the private key in a magnetic band inside the bill. Therefore you could use their ATMs to read the key and transfer that amount to an address 10:13:42 This could be applied to monero with some limitations but you would have to trust the print corporation behind it 10:15:03 That requires special ATMs? Who would allow installation of such? We don't even have KYCless BTC ATMs! 10:15:54 I guess you can write seeds on piece of papers then, tho its not as stylish as good old bill 10:16:57 What would protect the wallet from being emptied while travelling hands? The receiving party would need a phone/computer to check the viability. 10:17:05 But ye this is more realistic at least. 10:18:12 Same issue with fake bills. You would need several layers of chemical and fine printed symbols to assert that it was indeed printed by the central bank. There are simply things that are still an open question as of today 10:19:38 Yea, but you can at least see some of the signs, even if you would need more equipment for doing it thoroughly. You cannot visually check if the wallet corresponding to this seedphrase has been emptied or not. 11:38:45 share with them the mexican guy LM twitter vid 12:03:15 Interesting how LM shutting down isn't making lots of fuss on Dread 12:03:38 <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Secret 12:03:39 looks like no criminals were using it 12:07:50 They use butcorn and usdt 12:08:16 darknet? 12:08:31 cuz thats true for terrorists 12:08:42 Vendors cash out to butcorn and usdt 12:11:03 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought monero took over dark et 12:11:10 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Darnet* 12:11:18 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Jesus 12:11:30 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Darknet* 12:11:32 Darnet, i made another typo 12:12:48 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Typing half asleep dangerous 12:51:05 can you guys access https://dex.robosats.com/ with a vpn? 12:53:41 if this is supposed to be a p2p dex running from your browser it likely wont work bcs of port stuff 14:48:20 Hey :) What is the right room to talk about bounties and CCS? 14:48:40 I dont know 14:48:45 barely anyone talks in here 14:48:54 it's irc :D 14:49:24 Most people code, and forget about irc - I gues, at least it happens to me often... 14:49:25 I know 14:49:56 monero community workgroup (I think it have also IRC support) 14:50:35 #monero-community 14:51:00 Thank you m-relay 14:55:18 Be aware vThor, monero community channel have a lot of drama because some CCSs. 14:56:49 :D can not become any worse in my life, I don't give anymore a crap, the world seems to go only in one direction, and with mor communism comes more drama. 15:00:15 Dannet??? 15:01:50 u sure? https://webtorrent.io/ works 15:23:36 :D now I realize that m-relay is a matrix bridge. :o 16:11:59 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bright and smart 18:24:30 gg 19:06:51 Hey folks, can you point me out which platform to pick now to take some monero exchange. I've got fiat euro. I have Litecoin and Bitcoin as well 19:07:40 i traded litecoin for xmr a few days ago on stealthex, it's centralized but it's a no kyc swapper 19:07:50 Depends. There are no XMR <-> fiat platform people can recommend at the moment. But for any XMR <-> Crypto trocador.app is an option 19:08:14 FUCK IT HE IS ON MATRIX 19:08:27 Depends. There are no XMR <-> fiat platform people can recommend at the moment. But for any XMR <-> Crypto trocador.app is an option 19:08:42 something wrong with matrix? 19:09:56 To me, this event is worse than binance delisting 19:11:15 Am talking about the local monero shutdown 19:11:44 uncle_rae: matrix dot org doesn't communicate well, big delays, with monero social and some other servers 19:12:06 the relay is on monero social so ................... 19:12:08 Exacrtly, but this rests https://bisq.network/getting-started/# 19:23:30 anyone here tried bisq2? 19:23:42 https://bisq.network/blog/bisq-2-now-in-beta 19:23:51 when bisq2-bin comes into AUR I will 19:24:17 too lazy to build from source? 19:26:12 I hate java so much you have no idea 19:26:44 i hear you 19:26:57 i'm not too fond of java either 19:27:14 List of Java success: 19:27:15 - Minecraft 19:27:22 thats about it 19:28:11 Robosats and Bisq 19:28:30 is anyone working on rebooting openbazaar? 19:29:06 About XMR <-> fiat ye, and what about fiat <-> other crypto? 19:29:10 Yes, but it is slightly more convoluted for users. IMHO, in particular no tech ones 19:29:58 I know Bestchange but idk how many of those are really KYCless and would accept paying via terminal. But it is very much regional so wad wondering about US/Europe. 19:34:55 It would be such a shame if a localmonero dev accidentally exposed their ssh keys and someone stole their server side code and launched a new instance of localmonero 19:36:01 It would especially suck if it became onion-only, who tf uses this darknet for legit purposes 20:31:29 What do you guys think of SimpleX chat? 20:34:04 I like it a lot but don't know hardly anyone who uses it. 20:34:30 cool. 20:34:49 It is implemented in Haskel. 20:35:44 No User Id is pretty nice. 20:35:59 no phone number - email .. 20:42:41 Maybe i could write a chatbot selling Amazon voucher gift cards using SimpleX and Monero Named Pipes. 20:43:16 No URL is pretty cool, too. 20:44:31 Similar to the bot I used here. 20:46:05 app sucks 20:46:09 but good protocol 20:46:50 Yes i saw that, too. It might take a while for it to get ready. 20:51:04 Haskell is a scientific programming language. It is usually not suitable for more than prototypes. 20:51:22 No bashing. 20:51:56 I like functional language. 21:00:34 you really use simplex? 21:01:15 I tried the command line client. 21:01:23 testing around 21:02:08 the cli is good if you don't mind killing yourself everytime you send files 21:10:57 Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk Check your monero node or something! 21:10:59 Got a TX ID that still don't exist in the network! 21:11:24 A TX ID? 21:11:40 whoever is talking under the m relay, what do you mean 21:12:03 A texas id card? 21:12:20 A thing that exist since crypto exist, ie : A transaction 21:12:21 Could you PM me with the txid please? 21:13:22 Android 21:13:38 PM sent 21:14:13 very clever 21:14:46 tx id?? wait, tax payer id? 21:15:07 Not seeing anything. 21:15:14 Someone please explain (I know that they are using a different relay system, but like, what 21:15:15 my client doing stupid, 2 sec 21:16:45 It say forbidden when I create the PM now lol... Matrix :D 21:20:29 Trying using another device, it's been saying "Please wait..." since at least 2 minutes so far 21:21:53 I also like Tox. A peer 2 peer instant messanger. https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore 21:21:57 Oh, not localmonero.co say 504 Gateway time-out and my TX shoed up! 21:22:06 Oh, now localmonero.co say 504 Gateway time-out and my TX shoed up! 21:22:24 No 21:22:25 Identifier is a hex number. 21:22:51 No? 21:24:01 Oh, now localmonero.co say 504 Gateway time-out and my TX unstuck! 21:24:16 https://github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore/issues/426 21:27:04 good to know. 21:31:51 I just noticed that the mempool filled 21:31:53 Usual filler transaction attack 21:31:55 Probably the reason LM got stuck 21:34:30 Yeah, the explorer struggling with the DoS attack on the Monero network. We're working on it. 21:50:09 In the same vibe as Tox there is also Jami: jami.net 21:57:12 I will have a look. But Tox was simply unbeaten in terms of the nerd factor. There is a Tox proxy through which you could pipe ssh. Or ratox, a tox client that you could communicate via pipes. Category suck less. But if the crypto itself is defective (handshake), then it's no good. 21:58:23 toxic an ncurses TUI client. 22:04:42 Tox is a cool 4chan project 22:05:04 but no auditing, reference implementation is bad, and clients are pitiful 22:09:05 Yes, the idea was good, but the implementation was too chaotic. 22:14:41 Dos attack ? Some don’t see as a attack or a problem and want to keep fees low 😂 22:15:12 It's not so much about the fees as it is about taking the nodes down, I feel. Though it's just speculation. 22:24:17 I just discovered https://flathub.org/apps/org.getmonero.Monero is this legit? And if so, is it possible to verify the signing key? 22:47:53 "Missed Monerotopia Episode (#164)? Check out the Price, News & DEV. 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