00:59:17 how long should it take the gui wallet to sync 01:12:54 24 hours? 01:45:18 hey y'all 01:46:17 how's everybody doing? y'all know the news right? 02:06:22 Ahhh Yes. The News... 03:22:49 what news? 06:21:59 Richard Hearts son is all in on Monero: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/58b5K_wwXCI 06:33:23 I found this library to build a chat bot for Jami. https://github.com/AmarOk1412/jami-rs 06:33:52 I need to learn rust. 06:35:51 Build a chat bot that sells amazon voucher for Monero maybe vise versa. 06:35:57 Jami is inconspicuous and has been used a lot during the pandemic. People know it. 06:37:33 However, a kind of reputation system is needed so that customers can trust the provider. 06:40:44 Anyone who can't imagine what I'm talking about. Something similar to this, except that an Amazon gift voucher number is issued at the end. 06:40:54 https://matrix.to/#/#mnp:monero.social 06:41:56 + It will be peer 2 peer + end to end encrypted communication. 07:09:17 Hello everyone, I am looking for a place to buy Monero in Brussels. Any idea on how to do so without KYC in person or online ? I can't trade more than 50€ 07:10:26 Use Bisq to buy Bitcoin and then exchange BTC to XMR - also on Bisq. 07:11:04 https://bisq.network/ 07:13:04 Haveno isn't ready - yet. i think. https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno 07:17:34 Be aware that Bisq and Haveno have a peer 2 peer protocol, similar to BitTorrent. If you accept an offer this is not a problem. If you make an offer, then you have to run Bisq 24/7. There are no servers. 07:20:07 You could also buy Bitcoin with Relai sitting in Switzerland. 1000,- Euro without KYC a day. 07:20:31 Then use Bisq to trade BTC for XMR. 08:20:46 localmonero is over. what to use 08:38:47 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> fuck BTC 08:38:52 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> People on reddit said that you can buy LTC and then swap that to XMR 08:38:53 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> do not buy BTC it's high fees are bs 08:40:40 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> dreadful13: FWIW there was localmonero.co that would be much easier, but it seems that the feds shut it down 08:40:55 this or TRX 08:41:22 $1 isn't that high fee 08:41:23 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/CSRIKNQdOfGUpfbAmVQwMvNx 08:42:11 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> last time i was using it was 20 EUR for 5 EUR payment =-= 08:42:21 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and arguably.. still is 08:42:31 changes a lot 08:42:37 compared to 1 week ago 08:43:11 Please do not post hypothetical solutions. 08:43:28 ?! 08:43:32 My domain would be $10-$15 and I guess I should avoid btc for it at all costs. 08:43:36 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ye thus why i think that BTC is terrible choice 08:43:46 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> LTC -> XMT ain't hypothetical 08:44:03 LTC is accepted by some registrars that don't accept monero, ye 08:44:17 Of course not - if you can buy LTC without any KYC anywhere. 08:44:34 can't tell if this is sarcasm or not 08:44:35 How is the situation there, pcre? 08:44:44 but yeah, its easy to get LTC without KYC 08:45:26 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or like more people should be doing XMR ATM 08:45:40 Everything is fine. 08:45:41 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> imma working on 5 atm to spread across the city 08:47:41 Hi. Are there any online marketplaces that ONLY accept XMR? 08:48:14 yes, https://moneromarket.io 08:48:27 yes, https://moneromarket.io (or just check on monerica) 08:52:38 @igna:xmr.mx: thanks, both are interesting ... 08:52:49 ATMs don't seem realistic - a givernment would get pissy over this. 08:53:06 They don't even allow KYCless BTC ones, XMR would be even more triggering 08:53:26 what about ATMs that instead of taking bills take food 08:53:39 buy a donut and sell your donut at the ATM 08:54:00 then ATM owner will never be hungry again. win-win 08:54:25 I'm currently considering building something similar to moneromarket, but I'm not sure how much demand there is for it ... do you have any opinions on this? 08:56:19 afaik not a lot. when moneromarket was released, almost all the posts where drugs or porn. So hard for legitimate items to come through this mess. It took time for moneromarket to implement an nsfw filter. 08:57:36 I'm a member of a Monero meetup but I haven't spent a lot of time inside the community and/or in chat groups like this ... trying to get a sense of how I could leverage on my development skills to build something within the ecosystem ... 08:58:56 syntheticbird, yhat is still a way to purchase XMR easily AF so would be banned. Also what to do with excess food? That seems like a waste of money for nothing. 08:59:39 syntheticbird, yes!! That is why I remember dismissing this entirely, because it was disgusting! Monero is above this) 09:00:22 Not that I know of. I'm buing BTC then swaping to XMR atm. 09:00:48 Idk bro give the excess foods to poor childs and make them work as slave. yk economic circle 09:01:29 Yes really disgusting. moneromarket UI was a little old and first page was literally PH. I mean wtf 09:01:56 Who would want to sell its items on this website 09:02:05 syntheticbird, that is impractical AF, just complications and not for some legal loophole. 09:02:19 ? is this somehow controversial, off limits? :) ... 09:02:43 What controversial? 09:04:11 Yeah I mean. I don't see whats wrong at slaving childs for the great crypto kingdom to arise /s 09:07:14 matrix dot org replies are like those threads where people edit the question after the response comes 09:07:24 joke aside. I think its really impossible to make an ATM without KYC or legal regulation 09:07:28 Your suggestion is just overall stupid. It does not take advantage of some legal loophole, it just makes it hard/impossible for the seller to convert the income for money for no reason. 09:07:46 syntheticbird, EXACTLY. 09:08:15 The food suggestion was a joke. Of course its stupid 09:10:38 I like the idea of tradeing voucher for XMR. Amazon / Walmart / Mastercard /Addidas etc. It is just a number you can easy send digital. 09:11:11 it is not secure. 09:11:25 you need a web of trust 09:11:27 dont ask for off limit things in an official channel 09:12:17 reputation system 09:12:30 Haveno-like Amazon? 09:13:00 Haveno is pretty much #1 choice for the next years to come. 09:13:33 no its not controversial, but how would your idea differ from moneromarket? 09:14:02 not much 09:14:31 ceetee I think delay between instance is confusing you 09:14:53 oh right, forgot about that 09:15:15 nevermind then 09:15:20 Since the core have API. I would just pray for a native interface or at least a web interface on top of Tauri. 09:16:10 pcre, wonder how easy it is to cash out such vouchers. Also, unlike prepaid cards, here we have these too! 09:16:50 no wry man 09:17:21 Could we defederate matrix.org already ? 09:19:19 Matrix org being so big is probably my second biggest issue with Matrix, right after how it stores everything from groupchats permanently and I have not yet found a way to delete it safely. 09:20:56 I don't know if can cash out a prepaid Mastercard (voucher). Do you know any more details? 09:22:43 Hi. Is anyone online currently? 09:23:00 @BlueyHealer I'll have to do some research on that. 11:40:15 Moneromarket has cleaned up a lot since then, and has run well for me. I primarily transact between precious metals and XMR there. 11:54:29 •plowsof> matrix dot org replies are like those threads where people edit the question after the response comes <<>> is there a message on the matrix side yet that tells people of the issue and suggests never to use matrix dot org? 13:34:30 Don’t know why I haven’t asked this question: what happens when mem_pool runs out of space? Considering that the max size of mem_pool is customizable by the node, is that a concern? 13:37:32 it prunes transactions with the lowest fee 13:42:12 nioCat yep its in the rooms description but most wont see unless theyre really looking for it. A bot that pm's users once (and only once) with some info if theyre using matrix org and comment here is not so intrusive but dont exist yet 14:17:39 hi everyone i was reading the other day quickly on some things regarding monero and thought i saw that there’s a new development in the works on top of ring sigs that’s more private 14:17:46 is that the case? 14:19:14 i looked around online and didn’t see anything but have the memory of reading that somewhere 14:24:14 didn't get an answer in 3 minutes so he left lol 14:38:30 Too late to post the recent fcmp++ blog? 14:45:31 I was about to so..... 14:45:41 https://www.getmonero.org/2024/04/27/fcmps.html 14:46:35 Thank you! 15:16:49 https://github.com/ranger/ranger Nice little file manager with vim control. 15:41:07 No concern. Your node stops tracking some txs. No biggie. Others still will. And mempool should clear at some point. And even if it doesn't, you can just send the TX again with a higher fee if your wallet notices that the older TX no longer is in the mempool that it is using 15:43:44 What if the mempool the wallet is using have saturated and dropped the low fee transactions but the rest of the network relayed it ? If you send a new tx wouldn't it be considered as double spend attempt? 15:51:40 I guess you could trace the gift card 15:54:21 SyntheticBird: Yes it would. Reliable 0-conf requires the vast majority of nodes to have the same mempool retention policy if the mempool starts to get large. 15:55:39 Possibly yes. But I see it as an interface to the "regulated" markets. It's a 56k modem. Yes - that's right. 16:12:08 Just keep the chatbot in your contact list and if you need a voucher, order one. Just like you did with your drug dealer. 16:13:55 You can order a fortune cookie here: https://matrix.to/#/#mnp:monero.social 16:14:29 testnet XMR only. 16:19:38 Try it. See how it feels like. 16:32:51 My new meshtastic node just arived. 16:35:32 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/SNqmTURqTjhoPpRhVerWbQZz 16:38:10 file aragon1.JPG too big to download (1992949 > allowed size: 1000000) 16:38:11 aragon1.JPG 16:40:03 This is a simple repeater. 16:42:59 LocalMonero and AgoraDesk, prominent no-KYC exchange platforms, have announced that will be ceasing operations amidst a dwindling landscape for crypto privacy services. These platforms, which served as vital avenues for privacy-focused transactions during 7 years, are urging users to reclaim their funds as they prepare to shut down. The P2P exchange AgoraDesk gained renown for ena 16:43:01 bling Bitcoin trades without KYC requirements, thanks to its matchmaking process connecting buyers and sellers while also ensuring the security of transactions. Meanwhile, LocalMonero was frequently regarded as the Monero alternative to the also now-defunct LocalBitcoins.com, facilitating entirely anonymous transactions and popularizing the use of Monero with an emphasis on privac 16:43:03 y.Effective immediately, LocalMonero has disabled new signups and advertisements for Monero trades, with trading set to halt on May 14. The platform cited “a combination of internal and external factors” for its closure, including a broader hostility towards privacy-focused products and services. Users have been advised to withdraw their funds before November 7 to avoid forfei 16:43:05 ture. 16:44:53 Yes, that's really bitter. 16:47:42 All the measures that are now being taken against legal entities will also be seen once the digital euro CBDC has been introduced. 16:49:53 You all think I'm nuts for transmitting at 868 MHz, but you'll stop laughing as soon as the totalitarian regime is installed. 16:49:57 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> we are fully under attack now 16:50:22 I wonder whether Bestchange would last. 16:55:15 Maybe, if it's small enough. 16:56:12 I am surprised it is still not shut down... Or at least the vendors on it aren't getting arrested one by one. 16:57:15 This is the govt I would expect to crack down on it - maybe all because crypto is not seen as a serious threat? Its legal status is grey, afaik the service providers are not allowed to accept it as payment but would need to check this. 16:57:43 we are always under attack 16:58:28 That is probably the right approach. It's a marathon and not a sprint. 17:01:45 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yea now its escalating big time 17:02:33 The day I solder together a motherboard to use Monero, that's the day the regime will realize it's pointless. 17:06:51 The currency has been designed for this 17:08:11 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> we need to use end-to-end encryption and network obfuscation by default instead of public surveillance platforms 17:08:25 Possibility of full DIY is what charms me so much about radio... But the amateur radio regulations had to ruin this by forcing you to basically disclose your name publicly and use no encryption >:( 17:08:31 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> we need to use end-to-end encryption and network obfuscation by default instead of public surveillance platforms 17:08:37 ????? 17:08:58 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> time to go darknet underground 17:09:06 SimpleX-Chat 17:09:09 just make an onion- or i2p-only IRC server, bruh 17:09:12 That is perfectly useless for a public group but ig simplex is pretty good 17:09:16 you read my mind 17:09:18 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yep yep 17:09:52 aremor, what concerns me about Simplex is its centralization. Most people would realistically stay on the default central servers, and have not seen any public servers yet. 17:09:56 Just learn to use gpg and send armored gpg messages, bruh 17:10:05 So realistically you either selfhost or use the central ones, bruh 17:10:16 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> aremor: SyntheticBird45 | The monero.social relay bot best to not have any weak points or weak links 17:10:26 and if you selfhost, good chance that this is still going through the "mothership" 17:10:29 tbf @BlueyHealer, you can host your own simpleX server 17:10:41 gpg is also king. 17:11:08 helasse, that is very useful too, I have a gpg key on my website and encourage people to use it) 17:11:38 They declared war on us. 17:11:50 syntheticbird, yes, you can, and it is apparently pretty easy. Point is NOT this. It's that most communications going through Simplex would likely still be going through the central servers. 17:12:00 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> simpleX chat and darknets are the way to go now 17:12:28 I really wish Simplex was more decentralized. I am yet to see big lists of public servers. 17:12:39 sounds like a common issue with all decentralized netowrks 17:12:43 ig Bitmessage was the holy grail then 17:12:55 even matrix, most users are on matrix.org 17:12:59 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lol 17:13:07 basses, yea, but the extent differs. Like, it is less noticeable with XMPP than with, say, Matrix. 17:13:13 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yep 17:13:18 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> we need no central point of failure lol 17:13:21 has there been any audit of simplex? 17:13:27 On On Simplex, seems like for now this is even worse than on Matrix. 17:13:32 not that I know of 17:13:44 yes by trail of bits 17:13:45 dope 17:13:47 but not full audit 17:13:55 full audit is soon this year 17:14:00 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> its the only by default and by design post quantum ultra private chat app 17:14:03 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> sadly 17:14:06 or the rest of of unaduited parts 17:14:15 i've held off on looking at it since it's so new and didn't see any kind of validation of its privacy schema 17:14:16 I am following the news about it and interested where it goes. But for now not jumping to try it, I am still on imperfect yet trusty XMPP. 17:14:28 knowing ToB has looked though inspires more confidence 17:14:41 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yep sadly 17:14:51 I'm not bothered by centralized SimpleX. They have onion services 17:14:56 Yea, but still. 17:15:04 who tob? 17:15:10 Trail Of Bits. 17:15:12 trail of bits, sorry 17:15:20 they're a reputable source 17:15:42 Not gonna lie poor BlueyHealer is having a break thx to matrix.org delay 17:15:48 > 17:15:50 ? 17:15:55 wdym having a break? 17:16:06 Your message don't pass through 17:16:14 since m_relay is monero.social 17:16:29 Huh? I do see some coming from matrix.org. 17:16:30 asked them why pick trail of bit instead of cure53 they replied with "they get into code more" 17:16:36 everyone chatting rn is matrix.org 17:16:53 Yes, we receive matrix.org messages in real time but they receive monero.social messages with 10 minutes delaye 17:16:58 lol 17:17:04 there's also Briar which is not as well known but has been around for years and was audited by Cure53 17:17:09 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> we need i2p and even new one (veilid) 17:17:17 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> too 17:17:25 yasabi, yeah, know this one! But last I saw, desktop version was not fully-featured. 17:17:29 It would be a good start if we could get used to decentralized software. Monero could also be hosted with radicle as a replacement for github. 17:17:44 yasabi, like, it effectively could not work over Tor because it lacked bridge support. 17:17:48 Don't you have proposed radicle like 6 times since you joined ? 17:17:51 i2p ++ 17:17:56 i2p is underrated 17:18:12 if you want something on par with simplex but Tor only https://cwtch.im/ 17:18:23 i don't believe Briar's Rendezvous Protocol is quantum-resistant tho, and it's designed more for small-scale groupchats than large chatrooms 17:18:24 i2p is underrated now that i2pd is a solid thing 17:18:26 but more dead and unusable UX 17:18:27 i know - sorry. 17:18:39 yeah Cwtch is interesting, i follow one of the developers, but yeah super small project 17:19:19 Would look at that too, have only tangentially heard of it for some reason. 17:19:22 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> cwtch and onion-share are good too (well basically same/similar lol) 17:20:02 Kinda concerned that onionshare is in-browser JS, seems like anyone with a link can join a chat there. 17:21:02 I love JS 17:21:08 long live JS in tor browser 17:21:16 as long as you trust the host 17:21:17 I really wish Briar was full-featured on desktop, I really would not want to trust a phone with my messaging. 17:21:24 JS in Tor is cursed 17:21:37 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> for start we need to abandon irc for full end-2-end encrypted groups chat routed by tor/i2p/veilid 17:21:42 point was more in that anyone with a link can join 17:21:47 Still reliying on PHP in 2024 is cursed and cringe 17:21:56 What I like in Simplex are one-time invite links, that is cool. 17:22:02 In a whonix VM 17:22:14 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> We are Totally Underground "Now We Fight You" Phase 17:22:50 I love how 0x1zxq is ego tripping in 3 channels at the same time. 17:23:14 I'm all for changes but core won't change unless you make an issue on github 17:23:20 Also Briar had a Mailbox for always-online use, but last I saw this was for an "old phone"? That is weird, phones are not even supposed to be left on a charger 24/7. 17:23:47 I even made a forecast on radicle + Monero in 2018 and provided it with a Monero timestamp so that I can prove it. 17:23:49 I wonder if they have a version that can be run on something like an SBC. 17:24:30 SyntheticBird: I even made a forecast on radicle + Monero in 2018 and provided it with a Monero timestamp so that I can prove it. The day the Monero dev team will use it i can send you the proof. 17:24:31 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> tor has arti (rust client) veilid is rust client we need a i2p rust client too lol 17:27:22 ETH Zürich recently 2023 and new one they didn't blog about yet 17:28:17 veilid meme 17:29:19 xmpp + monero gives me drug users vibes 17:29:32 most users are on vulnerable xmpp servers 17:29:34 like calyx 17:29:42 Dread admin 17:30:15 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> any upcoming rust development going towards network layer privacy and network obfuscation is better than none lol 17:30:36 basses, they use XMPP too?? 17:36:15 I so much want an i2pr or i2p-rs 17:53:54 <0x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> https://gitlab.com/veilid/veilid/-/issues/329 17:54:11