00:00:39 <great_taste> cheap!! lmao
00:32:57 <m-relay> <t​hekernel:matrix.org> Hey is anyone having a hard time syncing wallets?
00:33:02 <m-relay> <t​hekernel:matrix.org> It just took me 8 hours
00:33:08 <m-relay> <t​hekernel:matrix.org> over TOR
00:33:22 <m-relay> <t​hekernel:matrix.org> it usually takes me about 1 hour
00:33:28 <Mochi101> TOR
00:33:40 <Mochi101> Would make it take much longer, no?
00:35:14 <nioCat> I hear that tor has been slower than usual recently 
00:39:30 <selsta> it's like every time someone asks a question they are one matrix.org x.x
00:44:48 <Mochi101> Are you implying something about Matrix users? :D
00:48:13 <selsta> noo i meant it's not even possible to answer the question due to cloudflare delaying the reply
01:06:32 <Infinity8> Anyone know how to build Haveno from src? I'm getting errors with "make"
01:08:40 <Infinity8> Could not resolve org.springframework.boot:spring-boot-gradle-plugin:3.2.3.
01:08:46 <Infinity8> Seems like a dependency issue?
01:46:49 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> Hi,
01:46:51 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> I'm trying to get myself registered on https://repo.getmonero.org so that I can submit a proposal for the CCS, but have a problem I explained to Gitlab support:
01:46:53 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> I'm trying to register for https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project which requires an Enterprise Edition signup.
01:46:55 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> I've input the details and my current, valid, working email address:
01:46:57 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> <email address>
01:46:59 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> and completed the captcha.
01:47:01 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> I'm taken to:
01:47:03 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> https://repo.getmonero.org/users/almost_there
01:47:05 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> and do not receive an email. Emails from other entities are being delivered to the same address (there is nothing wrong with the email, network etc.)
01:47:07 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> I retried twice with 'request new confirmation email. ', and tried in latest Firefox and Edge browsers, but it made no difference
01:47:09 <m-relay> <d​otnetspec:matrix.org> How can I register for an enterprise edition account and access and make contributions in repo.getmonero.org?
01:49:30 <aaabbb> how does zcash compare to monero? (and i mean in terms of technology - i know the anonymity set in zcash is way too tiny)
02:12:41 <Mochi101> aaabbb, supposedly it is a lot more prone to spam tx attacks
02:13:39 <aaabbb> Mochi101: i've heard it's more vulnerable to active attacks, but that the unlinkability and anonymity is superior to monero (on a technical level) against passive attacks. does that seem right?
02:14:07 <Mochi101> I doubt it, isn't privacy opt-in?
02:14:33 <Mochi101> So you have a chain with only some txs obfuscated and others are transparent.
02:14:45 <Mochi101> Where as with Monero all are obfuscated.
02:15:32 <aaabbb> i mean on a technical level
02:18:01 <Mochi101> That I don't know.
02:27:42 <aaabbb> am i right assuming that ring signatures will mimic real addresses? eg people may be using my own address as decoys? (i'm sure i got much terminology wrong there)
02:33:02 <Mochi101> yes
02:35:19 <aaabbb> Mochi101: statistically, how often does that happen?
02:45:51 <aaabbb> if something was said i missed it (even tho using znc lol)
02:45:51 <aaabbb> 2
02:51:38 <Mochi101> How often does what happen?
02:56:36 <aaabbb> any person's given address being used as a decoy
02:56:51 <aaabbb> like is my address (or whatever) being used on average once a day? once a second?
03:03:29 <Mochi101> No, it doesn't work like that.
03:03:44 <Mochi101> Probably better that someone else answers.
03:04:11 <Mochi101> Or read: https://medium.com/coinmonks/mapping-ring-signatures-and-stealth-addresses-in-monero-a5543a434684
03:06:14 <Mochi101> The article also links this more detailed explanation: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/3683/can-someone-walk-me-through-a-simple-example-to-explain-how-ringct-works?rq=1
03:22:41 <aaabbb> reading now thx
03:23:56 <aaabbb> am i right to say fcmp will completely negate the disadvantages and will turn the blockchain into a black box?
04:29:19 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> your calculation does not make any sense. Running a 45W miner for 24h costs:
04:29:21 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> 0.2847€/kWh * 0.045kW * 24h = 0.3074€
04:30:20 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> People reported that the TOR network has performance issues right now
04:33:50 <aaabbb> i am using tor, it does not seem too slow
04:33:55 <aaabbb> maybe a little slower than average but not bad
04:34:24 <m-relay> <c​trej:matrix.org> dotnetspec: several people have reported having issues with CCS signup. The gitlab is self hosted, that's why your normal account does not work. I assume some email domains are block to fight spam, which has become an increasing problem. I'd suggest you try another email provider.
04:51:29 <m-relay> <s​rvd:matrix.org> Hi all,
04:51:31 <m-relay> <s​rvd:matrix.org> I'm trying to generate a vanity primary address, but I need it to start with 4F. I've seen addresses starting with that before, but I'm unable to generate one myself. Anyone know why this might be?
04:55:15 <m-relay> <h​elasse:linarphy.net> if i'm not wrong, it's just a matter of bruteforcing long enough
05:00:30 <aaabbb> brute forcing is pure chance so sometimes, you can stumble on something in an hour that takes someone else days. but sometimes, it takes you days to do what everyone else is doing in under 30 minutes
05:07:33 <aaabbb> question about decoys. let's say i do a transaction to someone. until they spend it, the anonymity set is the size of the whole blockchain. once they spend it, it is 1/16 (number of ring signatures), right?
05:08:17 <aaabbb> so what if i speak only french, and then of those 16 possible outputs, only one of them gets sent to a french charity. doesn't that make it obvious which one is the true spend?
05:50:12 <rbrunner> SHUM? :) https://cryptotale.org/chengdu-police-bust-huge-underground-bank-network-using-usdt/
05:55:23 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> venice.ai respecting privacy. No logs. The founder ist Erik Voorhees (shapeshift)
05:56:12 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Pro version is 4$ a month.
05:57:04 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> no woke filter
06:18:37 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> dotnetspec: what is your username on the ccs?
06:19:49 <rbrunner> MOR token on ETH? But then the title of the video linked there is "Why AI Should Be Private and Uncensorable". Private, as an ERC20 token? Yeah, right.
06:20:04 <m-relay> <n​eko-the-gamer:kitsunes.club> I'm not on the ccs
06:20:51 <m-relay> <n​eko-the-gamer:kitsunes.club> what is the community crowdfunding system anyway?
06:22:30 <rbrunner> "What is the longest English word with 5 letters?" Venice.ai: The longest five-letter English word is "facetious."
06:26:00 <rbrunner> Can't there ever be a positive surprise in such a thing? Sigh.
06:29:57 <rbrunner> "I am an AI myself". Venice.ai: ... It's impressive that you're an AI yourself. ...
06:30:53 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> XD
06:31:08 <rbrunner> "Would you recommend buying Monero?" Venice.ai: I can't offer financial advice, so research and consult a financial advisor before investing in Monero or any cryptocurrency.
06:31:20 <rbrunner> Can't do that, yeah? But at least not woke :)
06:34:11 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> To be honest, it is not a good question to ask an AI :)
06:34:23 <m-relay> <s​rvd:matrix.org> The thing is, I can get other letters (like 4A) instantly, but never 4F
06:36:35 <rbrunner> In the unlikely case we can indeed communicate, srvd: What generator do you use?
06:38:24 <aaabbb> wow venice.ai isn't just "not woke", it can be downright cruel
06:38:40 <aaabbb> it just told me it's a shame that women are allowed to exist when i asked for "something sexist", damn
06:40:10 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> It seems venice.ai can create images.
06:40:31 <rbrunner> It can? I tried, and it wasn't in the mood for me
06:43:05 <aaabbb> i asked it 5 ways to murder, and after each suggestion it said "note that this is very dangerous and can lead to death. it should never be attempted"
06:44:08 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Near text prompt you can choose chat or generate image.
06:48:19 <m-relay> <system> file VeniceAI_Playground_v2.5_5.17_2024.png too big to download (2565541 > allowed size: 1000000)
06:48:21 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> VeniceAI_Playground_v2.5_5.17_2024.png
06:51:50 <rbrunner> Yup, got it, thanks
07:17:34 <rbrunner> Can't argue it convincingly, or even prove it, but it seems Monero addresses only go up to 4B. Thus no addresses starting with 4C, 4D, 4E or 4F.
07:38:19 <aaabbb> this is probably due to the encoding, since it doesn't map exactly to binary
07:40:59 <aaabbb> eg in base-whatever that it uses, going up to 4C would mean a "1" in a position larger than the size of a monero address
07:45:20 <rbrunner> Yeah, it's pretty complicated.
08:12:35 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> I just ordered a 3D-print.
08:12:52 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> https://www.tinkercad.com/things/6LnKVMshm6o-soporte-para-fabricar-billetera-fria-con-arandelas-v3
08:13:10 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> steel wallet on wascher.
08:15:00 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> The stl file: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4785256
08:16:12 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> i tried that before
08:16:48 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> i hammered my fingers 3 times before giving up after 1.5 out of 24 washers were done
08:17:19 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Was it worthwhile?
08:17:24 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> if you can afford it, id recommend the trezor steel thing, much better experience haha
08:18:21 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> i didnt have a holder like that. its probably way easier if you have one
08:18:38 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> The Trezor Steel thing is a 12 word seed isn't it?
08:19:06 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> 100 $ not so cheap.
08:21:34 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> I already have the Stenzel for beating the letters. Now I have to use them.
08:22:07 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> yeah, its designed to work with the trezors
08:31:33 <m-relay> <f​:monero.social> r​brunner, a​aabbb: i have a 49.. and a 4A destination that I created with hinto's vanity tool. (One idea is to add to usability for verifying XMR ID's by having the second position indicate the length of the username.) So far I've never sent and funds there, but I will try now and report back.
08:32:05 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Aj_EHOu9WE
08:44:07 <m-relay> <f​:monero.social> rbrunner: I read that B in "only up to 4B" as an eight. Nevermind.
09:14:46 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/m.datura.network/wNqxjZIrUARUXSIukLqlAMSy
11:58:35 <m-relay> <s​rvd:matrix.org> I thought the same after trying with vanity-monero and my own script, but then I saw that all addresses on a certain DNM were prefixed with "4FaTEYjk"
11:59:17 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> that would be an integrated address
11:59:31 <m-relay> <s​rvd:matrix.org> It is, but I'm still not sure how they get the 4F
12:00:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah ok
12:06:20 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> my integrated ones are all 4B
12:06:43 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> monerosupplie ones are all 4B
12:06:59 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> monerosupplies orders are all 4B
12:09:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if we have 1024 bytes left for tx_extra. Is a .xmr alias system possible to be built on top ?
15:26:23 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> If your TI-calculator supports shift, rotate and modulo  of binary numbers you can calculate the sha256 checksum for your 24 word by yourself.
15:26:27 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIgy2MjqrA
15:27:06 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> You only need H0 and n=1 so no loop.
15:28:41 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Use some dice for 256 bit entropy add the first 8 Bit of the sha256 output to the 256 Bit and devide it in 11 Bit words.
15:29:08 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> 264/11 = 24 words
15:32:45 <m-relay> <p​cre:monero.social> Might take you a whole day.
17:47:19 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> yes, it is
17:47:33 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> good luck
18:25:45 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://greydynamics.com/the-rise-of-monero-in-terrorist-financing/
18:27:10 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> feds trying their best to discredit Monero
18:27:34 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> how tf they could even make such a shitty site that scrolling doesn't even work
18:27:43 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> Glass houses yadda yadda
18:30:01 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> image.png
18:30:15 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> if the site not working for you https://archive.is/fFAgA
18:30:17 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> "Proxy fiduciaries" wow bro I feel so stupid tell me more /s
18:30:33 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i'm going to wait patiently until they find out about DEXs  that can do fiat->xmr and update their blogpost
18:30:54 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i'm going to wait patiently until they find out about DEXs  that can do fiat->xmr lol
18:31:00 <m-relay> <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> implement haveno and to the moon on drug money
18:31:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll wait for Haveno to have better UX
18:31:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which isn't going to happen anytime soon
18:32:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because its too much for woodser alone
18:35:48 <m-relay> <t​hekernel:matrix.org> Gotta love how they forget to address what the "proxy fiduciaries" were before: banks
18:37:01 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> Yup, banks like this
18:37:03 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> https://www.learnsignal.com/blog/hsbc-money-laundering/
18:38:28 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> Here in syrup country we get a 27% premium
18:38:29 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/rbc-fined-74-million-by-fintrac-5842236/
18:39:03 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> Bald faced hypocrites with the worlds thinnest cynical premise and the press under their whole ass
18:45:47 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> Say what you will about Yanis Varoufakis himself but the "In the Eye of the Storm" doc that follows his confrontation of corrupt banks is as enlightening as it is harrowing and I highly recommend it if you haven't watched it
18:53:45 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> Will privacy coins be afforded the same mercifully teensy compensatory fines? The grace to improve its reputation? The very same excuses banks enjoy when it never does any better than the banks themselves on the margins? 
18:53:47 <m-relay> <a​xmasta:matrix.org> You be the judge but I have a hunch lol
18:59:15 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> who is attackimg our homeserver lmao https://status.matrix.org/
19:10:11 <m-relay> <n​ull:pain.agency> just use a better homeserver
19:11:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "skill issue" literally
19:12:11 <nioCat> why are people still on matrix dot org?
19:12:42 <m-relay> <n​ull:pain.agency> they really need to close registrations on matrix.org
19:14:42 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> woodser alone?
19:14:48 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we really need to defederate from this shitshow that is matrix.org
19:14:52 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> where did the $500k-ish for UI end up?
19:15:03 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in GF pocket iirc
19:15:30 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> ok, 154000 United States dollars
19:15:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> damn he is on matrix.org
19:15:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> CAN WE END THIS PAIN ALREADY
19:16:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ARE WE DOOMED TO LOOK AT EVERY HANDLE IN THESE CHANNELS AND SWITCH TO ACCORDING ACCOUNTS TO ANSWER
19:18:23 <m-relay> <x​fedex:matrix.org> it's like 10 year of experienced indian front-end developer work
21:18:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> You want to defed from a server with majority users?
21:18:44 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> But also want exposure ?
21:19:16 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fired from monero marketing team
21:37:43 <nioCat> fix it bob, you can do it 
23:49:41 <m-relay> <p​reland:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mpJhhMrFwyQyrISCBiJZUpqU
23:50:39 <m-relay> <p​reland:matrix.org> “Actually, what if we just made a universal compatibility layer?”
23:50:49 <m-relay> <p​reland:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JJSAvEwfUQDjfsELePZDAQQe