00:02:01 selsta: thank you. I tried that (https://github.com/monero-project/monero#using-tor) with your correction (`proxy=127.0.0.1:9050` instead of `TORSOCKS_ALLOW_INBOUND=1`). for the first 5-10 minutes, `monerod sync_info` reported only clearnet connections, then it switched over to Tor nodes. any guesses why? 00:03:04 do you also have tx-proxy in addition to proxy? 00:03:20 yes, I do 00:03:41 `--proxy` does not support .onion peers, so Tor exit nodes will be used 00:03:55 `--tx-proxy` does support .onion peers so that's what showed up after 10 minutes or so 00:04:16 so what you are describing sounds correct 00:14:40 "`--proxy` does not support .onion peers", that is not intuitive and very good to know, thanks. why is that? and what accounts for the delayed kick-in of `--tx-proxy`? after the 10 minutes, monerod had mostly .onion peers, and occasionally one clearnet peer. 00:19:39 *I mean a peer with an IPv4 address (doesn't necessarily mean clearnet). 00:36:28 hmm, it should show 12 clearnet peers if you have default 12 out peer setting 00:36:45 and onion peers in addition to that 00:37:25 Actually, I think I got that to work on the OS I built from OpenBSD back in 2019. I honestly can't remember though now. 00:37:39 Tor is currently getting attacked, so everything works slower than it should https://metrics.torproject.org/torperf.html?start=2024-04-15&end=2024-05-16&server=public&filesize=5mb 00:40:14 <321bob321:monero.social> Slower then 56k modem? 00:43:50 selsta: I have `out-peers=20` and `in-peers=20` 00:44:09 what does it say when you do ./monerod status ? 00:47:48 it says `6(out)+0(in) connections`. and, regardless of these peers, my sync is stuck. I've already tried popping blocks. but at least this time monerod is aware of the correct chain tip. 00:54:38 what height are you on? 00:55:10 like I wrote in my previous comment, Tor is currently getting attacked which means syncing will be extremely slow 00:58:00 you might have to set `--block-sync-size 1` 00:58:59 with the default block-sync-size it will take multiple minutes to download the requested blocks, causing timeouts 01:14:25 I won't post my actual height here, but I'm hundreds of blocks behind the known tip. thanks for the suggestion, I'll try `--block-sync-size 1`. 01:16:57 my log is full of `Host _._._._ blocked.` messages 01:17:27 yep should be solved with the lower block-sync-size 01:24:38 chaser:monero.social this I have, too. The majority of the nodes are blocked... 01:27:38 selsta: `--block-sync-size 1` solved it. amazing! it works even with `3`. thank you very much. it was indeed the timeouts. 01:30:07 📰Missed Monerotopia Episode (#166)? Check out the Price, NEWS, GUEST Segment I & II 01:30:09 Reports here! ⤵️ 01:30:11 Price Report: 01:30:13 Youtube: https://youtu.be/WpG1lXAx23Q 01:30:15 ODYSEE: https://odysee.com/@MoneroTalk:8/markets-drifting-higher-05-18-24-%28price:d 01:30:17 News Segment: 01:30:19 Youtube: https://youtu.be/-p8MHWuP15Q 01:30:21 01:30:23 ODYSEE: https://odysee.com/@MoneroTalk:8/bitcoin-designed-to-harm-privacy-05-18:c 01:30:25 GUEST Segment I & II : 01:30:27 Youtube: 01:36:16 vthor: I suggest you too try `--block-sync-size 1`. I'm getting very good results, no peers blocked so far. 01:37:40 chaser, yes I read, thank you, I gave on one point up to sync over thor, but will run again a test. Have a great one! 01:39:29 you too and good luck! 02:37:29 What causes the sudden spike in stability issues for nodes running over Tor? 03:39:41 ask Tor , 03:39:43 it has spam issues sometimes 03:52:37 Why would anyone want to attack Tor anyway? Just governments being shitty? I mean what is it going to actually accomplish is I guess what I am asking? 03:53:27 Even if it was governments, why? They use it too, sooo 🤔🤷‍♂️ 03:59:39 it happens periodically, not sure the exact reason but monero doesn't rely solely on tor 04:00:27 either using a vpn or running your own nodes solves the issue of tracing the originator of transaction. 04:00:33 Well aware 04:00:46 Yes, I know 04:01:02 I was asking a slightly offtopic question. Forgive me lol 04:01:55 yeah , tor project forum ,would be better place to get that answered 04:02:11 Right on 👍 06:17:02 https://xmrstreet.store/ 06:17:22 Why did no one tell me? 06:18:51 you can also diy this using a spare smartphone and using Anonero and Nero 06:19:00 or even Nero and feather wallet 06:19:16 > <@pcre:monero.social> Why did no one tell me? 06:19:17 you can also diy this at your home using a spare smartphone and using Anonero and Nero 06:19:24 No idea. 06:20:09 http://anonero.io 06:20:31 ok 06:21:41 https://monero.town/post/223593 06:22:01 Is it air gabbed? 06:22:11 yes 06:22:28 perfect 06:22:33 you can remove any internet connections from the device 06:23:13 but anonero is going a rewrite right now , so it may take time to see another version 06:23:18 Presumably it has a secure element for generating keys? 06:25:36 that monerosigner device ? idk 06:26:42 I only know the seedsigner for Bitcoin - you can use a dice to generate the entropy needed. 06:28:34 Or take a picture and use the image as some kind of entropy. (i dont like that too much) 06:37:24 when did sideshit stop swapping xmr? 07:01:21 orban: long long time ago, if I remember right ~2 years 08:56:09 Long ago 08:56:46 What is the repo that contains the firmware that we need to put on the zero? 08:56:50 i think their backend is just thorchain now 08:57:26 I does not. It is a pi zero 08:57:46 You mean the firmware? 08:57:55 <321bob321:monero.social> Monero seed signer? 08:57:57 sideshift 08:58:03 <321bob321:monero.social> Soon™️ 08:58:09 Oh. Ok. Got confused for a sec lmao 08:58:26 the monero seedsigner doesnt have any firmware last time i checked 08:58:28 whats the best alternative now? 08:58:37 Trezor. 08:58:39 trezor safe 3 or anonero 08:58:43 how do i know. I talked about Nero 08:59:11 trezor prices gone up i guess 08:59:23 difficult to actually get it here 08:59:32 diy are best 08:59:44 I mean the image that we need to put on it to work. 09:00:05 yeah, doesnt exist yet 09:00:31 Wasnt the proposal made like ~2 yrs ago? 09:00:33 unless i've missed something, the development never really made any progress 09:01:13 ima_7d41456.png 09:01:15 Then why do these exist tho? 09:02:48 <321bob321:monero.social> Ccs moment 09:03:58 tfw 09:04:57 0 ccs milestones collected so far 09:05:47 <321bob321:monero.social> Maybe still investigating the hack 09:05:51 <321bob321:monero.social> Lol 09:08:46 scope creep - polyseed in python, and no dates on blog entries. "My freelance rate is $250. For this project I am quoting at $120/hr us." so we got a huge discount on labour fees! 09:08:55 ". I am forking the codebase and removing the bitcoin compnents and replacing them with Monero/Privacy specific features." 09:09:16 do you think the proposer is going to maintain this fork? or would we be better off trying to merge monero support upstream 09:10:24 are the parts cheaper than a safe3? can they arrive on your doorstep in a timely manner? is there self assembly required? how is firmware installed? 09:12:19 now let me re-write history and tell you all i was vehemently against the proposal (check the comments and see i supported it. but sceptical of the parts prices/performance, live and learn) 09:17:39 <321bob321:monero.social> Hmm drunk irc 09:23:39 money 09:30:53 I think it will be difficult with Monero and air-gapped wallets. Because of the ring signature, you have to communicate in both directions. However, I could imagine a key management system that allows me to manage several seeds that I can never spend until I transfer one spendkey to transfer stuff. Like a Tanlist. You divide your total balance into 0.5 or 0.X monero chunks. You t 09:30:53 hen transfer the viewkey or spendkey with an led so that you can only communicate in one direction. Afte transfer the address is burned on the device. 09:36:26 But probably too complicated. 09:43:13 you are thinking to complicated: 09:43:15 - wallet prepares tx, generates qr code 09:43:17 - signer scans code, signs it, generates new qr code 09:43:19 - wallet scans code, then sends out signed tx 09:58:44 This is how it works with the Bitcoin seedsigner, but it might be different for Monero, because several parties have to sign the transaction. 09:58:45 * wallet scans code then creates another QR-code. 10:02:47 As far as I know, this must also work in real time. 10:06:39 Should have something to do with the change. But I have little idea myself. I've only heard that once. 10:49:48 Nothing to do with it now, but you might even use the ESP32 chip on the seed signer to draw the QR-Codes by controling a couple of servos. Since you can no longer trust a modern printer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiwWCrCfXrY 10:51:54 It's an arm chip. sorry 11:01:19 preland: Gm what is status of cashapp/paypal? 11:01:42 Seedsigner will still required monero arm binaries for some functions, therefore its not straight forward to port to an arm cortex M series 11:01:50 Seedsigner will still require monero arm binaries for some functions, therefore its not straight forward to port to an arm cortex M series 11:03:02 Gm; I have the backend stuff for it (probably) done (CashApp was already present in the files; just deprecated. I am also going to add Venmo as an option cuz it was also deprecated and why not) 11:03:41 :o venmo mf stole 2k from me 11:04:27 I still need to add the payment forms in the UI, but once that is dealt with it’ll be as functional as any other payment method 11:04:29 Then it just comes down to whether or not it’ll even be allowed to be added/what we need to add in terms of disclaimer…. 11:04:32 Rip 11:04:58 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> on haveno? 11:05:04 ok. So that is the only problem then? 11:05:19 no venmo 11:05:47 thank you 11:06:17 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> serves you right for using that thing! /s 11:06:44 yeah but 25% lol 11:07:12 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what i that even 11:07:58 overall it is an ambitious project. You can't use normal qr code even, as you need to fit more information, so he developed a dynamic qr code that gets updated at 10 or 15fps 11:08:00 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and how is someone who uses monero also using apple things 11:08:07 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> baffling 11:08:57 fair enough. 11:11:44 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> oh seed/passphrase storage 11:12:22 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ooo offline monero wallet 11:12:25 How? Easy: someone who uses monero can also prefer simplicity. 11:13:20 I dont question you on your device choices. Please dont do me on mine… 11:13:27 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that's my point 11:13:29 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> oh 11:13:31 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you mean like surface level simplicity 11:13:33 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ... 11:13:53 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ugh that hurts to read 11:14:23 I dont so my private stuff on my phone. So nothing to worry about tho 11:14:38 im more android but have ipad just to accept apple pay 11:15:14 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you are free to and i am happy for anything relevant: https://github.com/kreyren/nixos-config 11:15:15 I had graphene os shane so stop hating 11:15:37 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's all open-source including the firmware and my personal device is OSHW 11:15:39 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and even the system config is open-source 11:15:41 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> get the same device and run the same setup as me 11:16:20 That was not the point tho. But okay 11:16:37 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bit-by-bit reproducible minus the secrets 11:16:43 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that was my point 11:17:05 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> apple devices are notorious for being terrible for privacy and security 11:17:07 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> like the ffucking thing leaks iclouds atm 11:17:09 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but w/e 11:17:57 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i should really get into a business of making devices that look like apple and are linux phones 11:18:16 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you get 4 camera lenses and 1 camera 11:18:22 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9r5DvsJLg 11:22:04 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://www.livemint.com/technology/tech-news/apple-ios-17-5-update-allegedly-resurrects-pictures-that-were-deleted-years-ago-all-we-know-so-far-11716022567904.html 11:22:05 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> src^ and you know apple the responsible privacy and security company is trying to cover it up that they have a copy of all the things on your iphone and don't remove them even if you remove them 11:22:12 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> well imma go now, enjoy any meltdowns i might have caused to the paranoid people here~ 11:22:54 I hope you understand that i do not fo anything privacy needy on my iphone. 11:22:55 🙃 11:22:57 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> well imma go now, enjoy any meltdowns i might have caused to the paranoid people and apple users here~ 11:23:09 Linux phones are terrible security wise, so really this is a pick your poison 11:23:10 I see you dont know how a system works 11:23:34 And data recovery. 11:24:05 You know why it didnt happen to all the people? 11:24:25 cursed 11:24:35 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I have Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini Value Edition that runs mainline hardened kernel and Full Disk Encryption on an open-source 2nd bootloader 11:24:37 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> .. works great 11:24:48 Because it was not central. When you delete a file, it is only deleted for your eyes. But until there is data written over that sector, it is recoverable 11:24:59 Thats how data recovery works 11:25:15 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> migrating on Samsung Galaxy A5 or Samsung Galaxy GRAND MAX! soon as well 11:25:49 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and iphones runs linux too if that's a thing you like 11:25:57 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> https://projectsandcastle.org/ 11:26:07 Its not the device. Its the os. 11:26:37 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the problem is that those removed things are shown at random to other icloud users 11:26:39 No icloud 11:26:41 And not to others 11:26:44 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so working theory is if you've made a lewd pics on your iphone and removed them.. there is an increased risk of that showing up at someone's iphone now ^-^ 11:26:47 Ah yes, a phone released in 2012 with at least 90 hardware vulnerabilites. And I'm sure the underlying OS is well signed with strict SELinux policies 11:26:56 IF the used phone was SOLD, it might appear in their OWN filesystem 11:27:07 No 11:27:31 You can just pay me $5 ill send them to you 11:27:39 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's the vulnerabilities that make it work and that project sandcastle patches in a way that lets you have a full root access and non-fascist bootloader 11:28:33 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that ain't what i read about it and was testing 11:28:39 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> though i wasn't able to reproduce it bcs ughh icloud accounts 11:28:45 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> wa 11:29:01 /s 11:29:07 Bro you are shitting on iPhone while you literally advocates old and vulnerable hardwares, that can be exploited to gain full root access on the OS. Please just learn about security a little more, I would have throw that phone at the river already 11:29:52 You just go the full privacy road, while destroying your security entirely 11:30:22 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> there are patches to those security holes and again these security holes are what enables linux on the devices smh 11:30:33 Think what you think.. 11:31:20 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and you can patch these in a way where none would be able to access the root filesystem if they gain a physical access to the device 11:31:22 Well, I hope they patched what can be patched correctly because you sit on top of a cheese right now. And don't forget about blob firmware and full-hardware vulnerabilities these are none patchable, at all 11:31:23 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> well gotta go now~ 11:31:42 I am sure you can patch hardware security, right? You have a 10nm robot at home to recreate the transistors on the cpu. I am sure 12:07:09 Stack Wallet improved a lot from last time I used it. Really on par with Cake 12:27:07 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and iphones runs linux too if that's a thing you like <- The hardware would still suck though. 12:31:41 TBH don't think I would be buying another smartphone once this stops working. 15:14:29 At least the hardware is common enough that you can expect those with good intentions to find issues. 15:14:31 Apple’s “walled garden” approach does nothing but disincentivize ethical hacking and bug reporting. 15:14:33 Do you think Pegasus could’ve happened on Android? Perhaps. But it’s much more likely that one of the 4 zero-days would’ve been discovered by an independent security team and issued a patch before the full attack chain could be discovered and exploited. 15:14:35 Also keep in mind that Apple’s security constantly gets upended. I would know, as I’ve closely tracked jailbreak progress on modern devices. The sheer number of regressions, memory unsafety, and undocumented/deprecated software is absurd. 15:14:37 Android is broken by state actors. iOS is broken by 14 year olds who use Apple notes as their IDE. Pick your OS wisely 15:14:39 (Disclaimer: I run a hardened jailbroken iOS) 15:15:32 (If you think I’m joking abt the apple notes thing, go check out Theos. These kids are going places, I tell you) 15:18:00 Is Pegasus iPhone-only though? 15:18:25 I am 100% sure that malware like this exists on Android as well. 15:21:29 Anything can be hacked like that. Apple just allows much less chances to shield yourself from company's control. 16:00:20 Revuo Monero Issue 196: May 16 - 23, 2024. https://www.revuo-xmr.com/issue-196.html 16:14:41 BlueyHealer: Pegasus exists for both Android and iOS 16:15:36 iOS has lockdown mode which enables similar security features as something like GrapheneOS 16:15:49 though likely Pegasus would still work in both cases 16:16:34 I bet even in Lockdown mode it sends telemetry to Apple... I wish I could check, it would've been so in-character) 16:17:07 I think lockdown mode isn't related to telemetry 16:17:23 Yea, it just decreases attack surface. 16:31:41 When will they shutdown the getmonero.org domain and ssl crtificate for hate speech? 16:47:38 Ok, I have added --notify-at UNLOCKED 16:47:51 https://github.com/d4ndox/mnp 16:48:11 Not commited yet 16:48:38 and not tested 16:49:40 Next will be a very simple transfer command. I do recommend to run it with a view wallet only, but you never know. Someone might need a transfer command on bash. 16:51:06 For the non-tech guys here. bash is the thing that still works when the shit hits the fan. Your browser thing wont work when claus schwab is not amused. 16:56:50 Stay on your toes. Don't be lazy. Install Linux. ... etc 17:05:06 ok sorry - i'm offline. To much red wine. cu tomorrow. 17:24:50 Hello, this morning I did not gracefully shutdown at all. Now I am trying to run monerod and getting "bus error ./monerod". 17:26:53 I could not find any arguments/flags that attempts to repair it instead, to no avail. 17:28:59 I just don't have anything that sensitive on a smartphone in general since it cannot run Lineage/Divest/Graphene. 17:32:25 Running "./monerod --db-salvage" didn't work either, returning: "bus error ./monerod --db-salvage". 19:29:03 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Is anyone reading meta or is what i wrote stupid and not worth replying to? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1010 19:29:12 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> kinda seemed like a good idea to me highlighting what i think are the issues there 19:38:13 I did read it but the issue is a bit too broad and unrealistic in my opinion 19:39:39 we can't just "decouple" from bitcoin, it is the main cryptocurrency and most trades are against BTC and not fiat 19:40:11 You want what? Monero atms? 19:41:53 Your project doesn't make sense. 19:42:34 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's not a project rather an organizational proposal 19:43:39 <321bob321:monero.social> Like spectre or WEF ? 19:43:42 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> also there is the issue of govs trying to ban XMR on exchanges, but it seems realistic to me 19:44:18