06:33:28 https://monero.fail is still not fixed ;c 06:33:41 does anyone have a list of public monero nodes pls ? 06:34:48 "this ain't me" 06:35:05 <123bob123:matrix.org> I got a random dm from a similar name 07:20:57 Nihilist https://xmr.ditatompel.com/remote-nodes/ 07:23:38 Not sure how to add nodes here^ but there looks to be enough tor/clearnet to choose from 07:27:38 Neat, thx 07:27:55 I'll run my own monero.fail instance too 07:28:16 That way there's multiple places to get the list of monero nodes 08:12:39 there https://xmr.datura.network/ 08:12:57 feel free to list your monero node there 08:13:13 feel free to list your monero node there if monero.fail isnt back online 08:13:49 donate url broken 08:13:50 you copy donate word 08:14:12 donate address broken 08:17:23 not sure what you mean, the address should be fine 08:17:47 ah nvm i get what u mean, will fix that 08:26:25 Have any of you successfully run HAVENO on Qubes? 08:26:26 Can anyone give or provide good instructions? 08:26:28 Or does anyone besides BISQ have an address to buy P2P XMR? 08:28:08 Apparently its easy to run on whonix 08:28:33 Didnt try but someone told me he had just followed the same steps as on debian 08:29:08 So I guess you could try to run it in whonix in your qubes setup 08:58:18 Yes, it works. 09:05:33 😳😲 in Qubes??!!! 09:05:34 Oh please, how do You do it? 10:10:56 https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-69 11:03:22 <0xfffc:monero.social> SyntheticBird SyntheticBird (Matrix.org) : ping 11:14:24 sorry I was taking breakfast 11:14:56 <0xfffc:monero.social> no worries at all, thanks for reply. sent you DM 15:35:00 Hi all, how profitable is it to mine monero? 15:35:08 Not really profitable 15:35:30 I recommend that you research online before asking: https://minerstat.com/coin/XMR/profitability 15:36:33 oh thanks 15:36:58 rakotako:matrix.org: Depends on how much fiat you're willing to throw away on electricity bills. 15:38:12 In my case, 1 month of nonstop mining gave me a grand total of 0.02 XMR, and an electricity bill of 22,000 yen (which at the time was a 13,000 yen increase from the norm). 15:38:55 Normally I would pay 9,000 yen a month, which includes both electricity and gas. 15:49:33 not sure if this is the right place to ask. But anyway, I want to buy monero from the UK, but of course, kraken etc don't allow buying XMR with fiat currency, so instead I need to buy an intermediate coin like BTC, ETH, LTC, etc, and then swap that with something like changenow (right?). What I'm wondering is, is there a reason to prefer one intermediate coin over another, for example, would the fees be less for LTC than BTC, for example? What intermediate 15:49:33 coins do you lot use for this purpose? 15:55:16 Is woodster here? 16:04:27 bdax use LTC on haveno or on trocador 16:05:02 LTC because high liquidity, wide acceptance, low transaction fees 16:05:50 hackerg just what you want to ask. If its about haveno, maybe ask in the haveno room instead 16:06:25 Ahhh ok that makes sense 16:07:11 Hold on I don't see a "haveno" chat in "matrix.monero.social" 16:07:27 only in matrix.org. Is that the one you are talking about? 16:08:00 no but at #haveno:monero.social 16:08:03 you already asked in the correct haveno room hackerg 16:08:12 thank you ct, I'll have a look at those 16:09:07 Someone told me to come over to this server. But let me check what rando mentioned. Thanks 16:09:45 Ok I am confused now 😀 16:10:21 file MoneroListe.png too big to download (8246724 > allowed size: 1000000) 16:10:22 MoneroListe.png 16:10:33 So there must be a "haveno:monero.org" and then a "haveno:monero.social" and one cannot see the messages from the other or something like that? 16:10:54 All users can access all servers. However if you have created a user account on matrix.org, you will receive messages much later (matrix.org issue) 16:24:49 Maybe i will do the same list with privacy features. The images are generated by venice_ai 16:27:55 e.G. The Slave. Each of your transactions is monitored. Your money can be frozen at any time. 16:28:43 Emperor "Absolut freedom" 16:36:00 bdax: For an intermediate coin, use LTC. The simple reason is that you'll save up on fees by a significant amount. Transfering or even converting BTC is fucking expensive. 16:36:42 ETH is worse in that regard. 17:13:50 I wonder just how bad a $5 ETH transaction would be lol 17:15:40 BTW now my domain is about to expire and thus deciding between going to Njalla again or transferring to a "proper" registrar... On one hand, I do want "proper" registration somewhat, on the other - I don't want to be left with LTC "change" in the wallet (and idk how to exchange exactly), and kind of afraid of the registrar realizing the details is fake and taking the domain. 17:32:03 trocador has a payment mode. That type of swap has slightly higher fees, but guarantees that the exact specified amount arrives at the receiver 17:32:38 Oh, nice. Tried it? 17:32:55 I've tried it, works as expected 17:34:28 yeah using it whenever I have to pay in btc 17:34:42 I would want to pay in LTC, BTC would probably have too big of a fee for $15 17:35:13 Ltc should support that type of swap as well 17:36:39 Nice. 17:42:15 Is there a chat here for peer to peer trading XMR? 17:43:02 Haveno isn’t really working for me yet… 18:18:04 bisq iirc 18:18:42 That's BTC-only, no? 18:18:56 and requires you to have BTC already 18:19:18 im looking at the bisq wiki atm and it says you can trade monero 18:23:05 Wait, they sell it for fiat too? 18:31:48 random thought: need a P2P general-use marketplace (like xmrbazaar) but as a decentralised service, rather than as a centralised service 18:32:00 This is being worked on 18:32:10 Let me get the repository 18:32:25 https://github.com/layters/testshop 18:32:36 ooh this is neat 18:32:48 Last time I checked, main issues are I2P and NAT traversal 18:33:10 HOW TO SET UP MONERO WALLET GUI FOR BEGINNERS 2024 FREE: http://45.135.180.23/articles/monero.html 18:33:12 now that is a based project i will follow just like haveno 18:33:17 Do not click this link, lol 18:33:18 plowsof: 18:33:32 get a domain name 😭 18:33:45 thx for sharing :) 18:34:07 Actually, it is a guide, probably just attempting to grab IPs 18:35:28 grab ips??? just use a vpn if you don't trust lmao 18:35:42 I understand, but I would say that most people aren't apt enough to do that 18:35:58 how dare you not pay for a domain name !!!!!!! 18:36:06 This can be considered spam, posting it randomly with no context 18:36:24 they're literally 5$ a year lol 18:36:31 Or use tor, it is free 18:36:33 its cheaper than buying a vps just for a site 18:38:24 Yeah, it is from https://servers.guru/ 18:39:03 dont they jus resell digitalocean/vultr? or is that sporestack 18:39:08 I wouldn't know 18:40:01 u can get a domain name with no kyc with nicevps.net btw https://kycnot.me/service/nicevps 18:40:19 u can get a domain name for monero with no kyc with nicevps.net btw https://kycnot.me/service/nicevps 18:40:50 incognet.io is my preferred 18:40:52 Impreza also sells domain names for XMR 18:41:02 yeah but don't they have kyc? 18:41:08 No 18:41:22 i was at incognet before, but they are kinda victims of their own success, ticket support quality went a bit downhill 18:41:27 At least not when I registered mine 18:41:43 but for non-complex services yea they're fine 18:42:04 i see theres mynymbox too but i didnt try them out https://kycnot.me/service/mynymbox 18:42:05 need to update our home server trolls. so far we have bitcoinist dot org (our favourite) and now we have "nope dot chat" who posts random guides with "free" in the title https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240612#c385406 18:42:31 Thank you I was looking for a place to get a domain name with monero with no KYC, thank you 18:42:47 i'd also recommend orangewebsite too 18:43:01 nicevps is good but they're quite expensive 18:43:43 yeah i checked orangewebsite, they dont accept monero 18:43:49 yeah i checked orangewebsite, they dont accept monero, no go for me 18:44:14 yeah i checked orangewebsite, they dont accept monero last time i checked, no go for me 18:45:32 oh yeah and all the KYC 18:46:12 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/m.datura.network/TulerxJlfYcVXXodLTqCxdbw 18:46:14 Impreza for domain name, 1984 for hosting, both XMR with no KYC 18:46:34 click on the crypto option 18:46:47 they have kyc for credit card payments but they dont for crypto 18:47:51 wait what the fuck 18:47:59 did they get rid of anonymous domain registration? 18:48:06 omg i think they did lol 18:48:08 that's retarded 18:48:32 yea i was about to say 18:48:39 Ok, if it seems so hard-- maybe I should create a domain registrar proxy 18:48:40 they force you to put a phone number 18:48:53 Where I accept Monero then give you the domain? Not sure if it works like that, I'd have to read 18:48:54 they force you to put a phone number, even when u select crypto paymetns 18:49:00 they force you to put a phone number, even when u select crypto payments 18:52:07 sorry but impreza goes ham on the kyc too 18:52:10 image.png 18:52:41 Ouch. All of the address/name stuff is for ICANN and can be fake, but phone number, probably not 18:52:55 Nihilist: well that's something new then. When I renewed my domain name in January there was no KYC 18:53:21 recanman: phone # can be fake 18:53:27 it's really easy but have fun dealing with abuse reports 😭 18:53:29 make no mistake it's getting harder and harder to get non-KYC domains, thats why i'm keeping track of them on kycnot.me 18:53:35 just select a valid number for the location 18:53:47 i mean there will always be njalla but they SUCK 18:54:21 apparently they steal domains, some others love njalla, i didnt try to host something permanent there so i cant really say if they're reliable 18:54:37 i ran some tor exit nodes at njalla at some point to test them 18:55:09 yeah they steal domains, their support is childish at best and they're overpriced as shit 18:55:35 Nihilist: phone# can be fake 18:55:51 could just use a phone num from quackr.io or something 18:56:12 I meant if it seems so hard to register domain without KYC 18:56:37 sorry, but i have no sympathy for services that force their users to put a phone number ( https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/phonenumbers/index.html ) 18:56:44 Agreed 18:56:55 It discriminates people like me who choose not to have one, especially for places that need it for 2fa 18:57:04 It discriminates against people (like me) who choose not to have one, especially for places that need it for 2fa 18:57:10 Nihilist: try finding one that doesn't 18:57:17 yes, it's possible to get a remote phone number, anonymously. but it's VERY scarce. meaning if you're forced to put a phone number, the service is hostile against your anonymity 18:57:30 BTW has anyone had issues with Njalla? I have my domain there for now and don't know whether to renew for the next year. 18:57:34 ooh cool blog, is there rss 18:57:37 nicevps got seized bt fbi to take down breachforums 18:57:38 oh there is nice 18:57:40 If you need a phone number + cellular data, use silent.link, it works well 18:57:48 yes they steal domain names 18:57:54 I think njalla is fine blueyhealer, but they have taken away someone's domain in the past 18:57:57 Oh nvm I did see scrollback 18:57:59 for domains i know nicevps.net and incognet.io that allow to register domains anonymously 18:58:01 heard they charge 3x for renewal 18:58:02 I think for what was on the website 18:58:11 no they dont 18:58:16 Yea, I did hear about them doing that, 100% - just don't know how prevalent this is. 18:58:32 they resell namecheap so their renewal is based on namecheap's 18:58:42 just to be clear, i'm all for anonymous, non-KYC services, but dont try to do some illegal stuff with it, because the cloud / registrar provider is getting the headache afterward 18:58:55 just to be clear, i'm all for anonymous, non-KYC services, but dont try to do some illegal stuff with it, because the cloud / registrar provider is getting the headache afterward, not cool for them imo 18:59:17 If you need a phone number + cellular data, use silent.link, it works well <- that is only for esim-capable phones though. 18:59:40 oh there's also hostcay.com but idk how good they are 19:00:04 a phone number that you use locally is not an anonymous phone number, eSIMs are no exception 19:00:06 they **heavily** market as "offshore" hosting and they resell namesilo 19:00:17 As for Njalla - I don't have anything even remotely questionable there, so wonder what my chances of losing a domain are. 19:00:46 in any case, if you guys find non-KYC service providers that accept monero, submit them over at kycnot.me, you'll do everyone a favor by doing that :) 19:01:47 ill request hostcay 19:02:08 If they don't like it, they'll take it away. Against their political opinions BlueyHealer 19:02:54 Ye, that I get. I just wondered about what is considered "disliked" by them. 19:03:01 And what they pay attention to. 19:03:03 That 19:03:09 https://crippled.media/free-speech-vps-providers-put-to-the-test#Njalla 19:03:19 I have some messaging servers, a proxy and a personal blog. 19:03:22 Yes, that is the post I was referencing to. I forgot about it 19:03:28 Thanks! 19:04:20 ok hostcay dont seem to have any kyc for domain registration, checking if they have monero payment options 19:04:23 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/m.datura.network/lOWRNRLWNOngGgDZqtthuiaP 19:05:00 nt u renewed a domain from incognet? 19:05:32 yes i have domains with them 19:05:40 nvm 19:05:42 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/m.datura.network/dNXuVWYtZHdJWUtIMGfCWERt 19:05:49 nihilist, read the location as "Burgerland" lol 19:05:50 hostcay is heavy on the kyc just like the others 19:05:56 WTF THEY LITERALLY ADVERTISE NO KYC 19:06:47 Hmm 19:06:48 I think about picking a real address in the country where my VPS is. 19:06:51 welp, there you go 19:07:01 And a real-sounding name from said country. 19:07:25 It is a requirement by ICANN, they usually do not care 19:07:27 Same with having an email 19:07:29 ICANN requires that as well 19:07:40 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/scaEHjAuXFnWOocqlCkZdDnd 19:07:40 nt 19:07:42 particle marketplace is also a possible option in the future 19:07:48 m-relay: VPS country is irrelevant to domain name country, afaik 19:07:50 seems like it depends on the TLD u choose 19:07:59 Do some registrars check the phone number by sms? 19:08:07 as stated before they base their renewal off of namecheap's and it's not 3x 19:08:08 .io is expensive as asf for renewal, it is even a controversial TLD 19:08:11 Probably yes 19:08:26 I don't actually mind having it tied there, I am just afraid they'd pay attention to the country code and this could cause complications later. 19:08:27 i have two .me domains 19:08:57 ceetee it is unfortunate as it is a cctld, so the country usually has full control 19:09:00 m-relay: VPS country is irrelevant to domain name country, afaik <- I meant accessing it through the proxy anyway, just to at least try to not give out my real place. 19:09:23 cctld's don't really affect much 19:09:38 For random people, no 19:09:57 m-relay: of course, access everything via Tor, that's a given 19:09:58 even if it is a cctld typically used for less than legal reasons (.sx or .to) registrars dont care 19:10:04 https://thehackerblog.com/the-io-error-taking-control-of-all-io-domains-with-a-targeted-registration/index.html 19:10:25 m-relay: or I2P 19:10:31