01:37:17 Hello, at the moment we don't resell anything. We have our own virtualization stack :) before we used to only resell hetzner. 03:41:44 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Thoughts? 03:41:44 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> * https://docs.oxen.io/oxen-docs/about-the-oxen-blockchain/pulse-pos-on-oxen 03:41:46 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> * https://docs.oxen.io/oxen-docs/about-the-oxen-blockchain/blink-instant-transactions 03:41:48 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> They forked monero and integrated the technology into a low-latency onion-router and implemented an instant transaction technology 03:41:58 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they seem to basically fix the problem of bening able o pay with monero in store it seems 03:45:17 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they seem to basically fix the problem of being able to pay with monero in store it seems 04:17:08 this is official? https://libreddit.bus-hit.me/r/Monero/comments/1df7tv2/how_to_get_to_the_monerostressnet_discussion_room/ 04:17:43 Yes, Rucknium and a few others are working on it 04:17:54 Look in #monero-dev:monero.social 06:37:36 https://ibb.co/Hq5yHqz 06:37:47 Find yourself on the list. 06:38:05 I could use help. 06:38:59 If anyone has a good idea to improve or complete the list. 07:19:15 Nice try getting us to disclose our holdings .... 07:23:39 i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ? 07:24:50 i own an unknown amount of xmr, so i dont know in which category i belong sorry ;( 07:25:57 Do you remember the amount you lost on the boating accident? 07:29:36 man that was a long time ago, i have no idea 07:33:19 That might be a good point for Prince: "You lost all your Monero in a boating accident" 07:43:38 "your wife doesnt know anything about the prostitute you visted last night" if you have 10 monero coins???? that is childish and offensive. my wifes boyfriend would probably agree 07:48:22 IIUC , this only works if miners respect the order that the oxen service nodes say that the transaction appeared in. There's nothing stopping a miner from ignoring the service nodes and directly mining another transaction into the block 07:51:40 Oh they have PoS validators. Same concept though , unless the randomly selected service nodes have a privileged place in consensus 07:53:24 If you have "supernodes" (i.e. centralization) then its incredibly trivial to resolve double spends: just ask the supernode which one it saw first 08:03:17 I am very sussed out by the whole "you need to pay an amount of money no average person can afford to lose to host a node". 08:42:07 No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps amount. 08:42:19 > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ? 08:42:20 No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps number. 08:43:29 > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ? 08:43:30 No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers. 08:43:39 > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ? 08:43:40 No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers. 08:43:59 > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ? 08:44:00 No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers, so we doubled down on that :) 08:44:29 > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ? 08:44:30 No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly tripled our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers, so we doubled down on that :) 08:54:39 ah got it, thx for the info :) 08:54:55 dont forget to post updates to let your users know 08:55:28 At the moment we have our own offers. Hetzner vps are out of stock. 08:55:39 There is no issue for existing vps. 09:13:13 servers.guru: The internal links on your onion site link to the clearnet 09:14:05 That's weird. Thanks for the info we'll check it out. 09:15:14 servers.guru: Linking manually works fine, like this, for example: http://srvguru7bjzzjba7xy2hnx2ju4k77qy4eum2h3tgudwc3j2zof4aggyd.onion/anonymous-vps/ 09:15:47 servers.guru: Just need to use relative links, that's all 09:16:27 Yes, I thought this was fixed already but I'll check it out. Thanks. 09:18:22 https://ibb.co/mXqGm8Y 09:19:15 The new version. Keep the score for yourself and set yourself a goal to reach the next level. 09:19:43 servers.guru: Do you accept Monero directly, or via a payment processor? 09:22:03 love that one lol 09:26:10 great, but slave is kinda racist lol 09:26:49 Tell that the ai who created the image.XD 09:28:44 We use a self hosted payment gateway 09:29:51 btcpayserver? 09:30:38 Bitcart 09:33:39 Ok then I post this on reddit. 09:49:31 The filter from reddit removed the post. LOL 09:49:44 I post it on nostr. 09:51:15 "This post has been removed by Reddit filters." <- woke filter ? 09:53:59 It detected 18+ But nothing naked on the image. 10:07:26 Cc mrnaif for bitcart usage 11:11:21 Posted the image on Nostr : https://nostter.app/nevent1qqsw5nlwfz42qn2wsxq4x9wnsczgar7hulpltsddmlhr9w9mn6frq4gxnnmge 11:11:37 We should be using Nostr anyway. 13:24:31 I know him well :) we're actually hosting the bitcart website. Great dude with a great project. 13:41:32 Hello guys! Any of you know where i can reach /r/monero mod? it's regarding crypto leak giving direct to 300m+ scam ongoing now 13:41:54 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5499189.0 13:42:30 I believe monerobull is a moderator 13:43:09 freewallet lol 13:43:10 cryptowatergate you can just click the message mods button in the subreddit and all mods will read such. 13:43:40 It's not just freewallet.. grab a look at thread 13:44:01 We did just that but i am not sure about how reddit is friendly with TOR users will it even foward it :P 13:45:39 Is there a way to see how many transactions have been broadcast through my (public) node? 13:46:31 We have 4.7GB of evidence only for "the biggest leak ever" 13:46:47 Funny how Reddit allows Tor but not any VPN/proxy 13:47:01 ? 13:47:41 It gives a warning screen when you use a vpn/proxy now 13:48:32 Biggest leak in crypto sphere have information on any bigger? 13:48:48 Can you release it as a torrent? 13:49:44 Raw data? Well i am not sure about torrent current state never shared anything via that 13:49:48 i will grab look onto it 13:50:05 If you can upload it to mega I can distribute a torrent and seed it 13:50:13 Or wherever 13:50:16 inside forum guy told me to post on pastebin but some of the guys said it will get removed 13:50:26 yeah mega.nz works 13:50:28 This works: https://gofile.io/ 13:50:57 i will directly upload it on serverr as well as it's built as website if you saw thread 13:51:07 something like offshore leaks 13:51:25 You can also try hosting a tor hidden service 13:51:33 yeah i did that first hahaah 13:51:36 I haven't looked through the data and I have no idea if this is real or fake, just curious 13:51:39 it's open source completly 13:51:46 unrelated conspiracy theory beware, i think the us gov sees bitcoin as the next gold, they want it for themselves, deny everyone their right to self-custody bitcoin progressively through KYC and they want to own it all and artificially increase it's value, just like they did with gold 13:51:48 i want data to be hosted by multiple individuals 13:52:00 bittorrent is p2p, exactly that 13:52:07 whole website with data is available for download but raw data i will see what i can do about that 13:52:52 I am just not sure if anyone can help me regarding atomic hack breach for context we didn't share it yet to public due some guys contacting us to give data so they can give t o LE 13:53:17 but basicly atomic hack was false flag done by them and they transfered it to garantex whic his owned by cousin of constantin 13:53:21 Upload it somewhere, send link, I'll seed it 13:53:45 now issue is i can't calculate how much XMR was stolen so that's big gap in my data 13:54:51 yeah once i compile website i will share it inside subreddits and main thread 13:55:08 i have to take care of my opsec first haha 13:55:19 these bastards already hunt me 13:56:29 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/LxDaRQsbWrQCIiojYciTqKCp 13:57:03 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mpLxcnwDaKrTJsqzekAAWVoh 13:57:11 this is how i compiled data so regular folks can read it and it's more interactive i toke inspiration from offshoreleaks 13:58:13 lmao 14:01:57 ? 14:08:24 Thats alot to read 14:09:55 TLDR it's a scam 14:12:41 Thanks, also when giving tips to someone on where to upload stolen data , thats probably fucking illegal and we're not interested 14:13:35 nihilist blackrock 14:14:31 Data breach? Hope they didn't get my catnip buying history 14:22:54 where's the page where they show all their partners/scams 14:23:00 it was blurred in the thread 14:23:33 it's blurred yeah not available for public yet as you see there's roadmap for "introduction leaks" point is to gather as much people as possible so victims can contact us 14:23:49 since this is closed circle chat i can put some data more in here if you guys want 14:24:10 If it's stolen, no thanks 14:24:12 just don't leak it past this chat since it can allow them to hide traces i mean i did archive it via multiple sources but still 14:24:44 lets not post breached databases lol 14:25:25 Well.. guys consider these people ruined millions of life. 14:25:43 and this allows people to return their money or at last prosecute them 14:29:26 breached databases/mail servers are only on my server and you can download it when available other data is just compiled to give evidence to public and push them to shut off operations 14:29:56 multiple people wants to stop this for years via pen and when pen fail's well swords come in handy 14:32:17 check r/monero sidebar regarding scams that are presented in this leak it was all just allegations without hardproof evidence until now just to justify people calling this unethical unethical is publishing 3 wallets each year and wait until people deposit than take money and say you were "hacked" and run away with millions 14:38:59 I didn't know changenow was affilated with those scammers 🧐 14:39:21 Changenow is owned by changelly. 14:39:41 you would be suprised how much comapnies are owned by same group of people. 14:42:17 I am not and I thought the relationship between changely and changenow was known 14:43:52 if any of you guys are O.G's from old times you would remember btc-e.com 14:44:03 same products in our leaks came from same kitchen 14:44:33 in short all roads lead to st petersburg and hetzner :p 15:01:37 great post man. Changenow has always done random kyc and gotten so many trades stuck. 15:01:53 for ransom 15:02:04 i have 2.5btc they are using against me and bribing me not to post it 15:02:10 blocked so i know who they are don't worry hahaah 15:02:27 and they blocked it in 2022... and now it's 2024. 15:04:12 fuckers. And now with wizardswaps MIA there are less and less CEXs that offer xmr, but it's super important to have some. I think the only ones out there that are still legit are 15:04:14 Majestic Bank 15:04:16 Trade Ogre 15:04:18 XCHG, that's about it, or is there another 15:06:18 exch is legit traded big amounts always no issue 15:14:14 wizardswap is giving me phishing warning what happend to him? i used it not so long ago 15:14:31 Suspected Phishing 15:14:32 This website has been reported for potential phishing. 15:14:34 Phishing is when a site attempts to steal sensitive information by falsely presenting as a safe source. 15:14:36 weird 15:15:28 time to move to DEXs 15:15:50 its a good opportunity to move to DEXs 15:16:46 Trust me people have no idea about whole operation at last majority of them. 15:18:31 Wizard Swap dead? 15:18:47 What operation ? 15:19:47 Someone knows how to contact the admin of Monerica? Everytime I send them an email they never answer. 15:20:13 Modus Operandi of changelly that's what i ment 15:20:40 There's no collective name of companies that are under changelly control so i call it changelly for reasone becuse it's their biggest project 15:21:36 if i told you now without any context that exodus and ledger is aware of all this and keep it going since they get pockets loaded no one would trust me without presenting clear evidence of it. It's just as name says crypto WaterGate 15:22:54 but i won't risk any bans or censoring monerobull gived me a greenlight he will give me pinned on r/monero so you can ask me anything you want until i put post up 15:23:20 expect data breach data as many in here are against sharing it in here and i can see why 15:23:43 <5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> FEX when 15:24:22 for context in 2022 they blocked me 2.5 BTC that i exchanged to XMR and after legal battle of 2 years i had to take desprate move to get it back so i was forced to do this basicly 15:25:32 wtf, thats insane 15:25:44 why did they block the funds ? 15:26:02 random "KYC" Check 15:26:17 they played with me for 2 years in periods of 3 months of not answering than 3 days answering etc 15:27:00 if it is not private, open a github issue 15:27:02 or contact them on twitter 15:27:16 damn, one more reason why i dont want to use CEXs anymore 15:27:50 Would rather avoid Twitter.. I'll see maybe I'll do the github route. Thanks. 15:28:12 for context i used exodus swap not directly changelly but exodus gives monopoly to changelly owned companies for their swap 15:28:14 so it's same 15:28:25 if you guys do ledger of exodus swap be aware it's all done by changelly 15:28:42 exodus is closed source anyway, none of use will use that 15:29:25 ngtl i loved exodus UI so i used it i learned my mistake.. 15:29:26 Tbh the whole idea of swap sounds dodgy. I tried many times to think how to do that. But that seems to be nearly impossible to be able to guarantee the liquidity for each currency. 15:29:34 No wonders it's full of scam. 15:30:02 there's just lack of XMR phone wallets so i was forced to use exodus 15:30:24 use cake wallet m8 15:30:27 I liked exodus a lot but never used the swap function. 15:30:44 We used it back in the days. All currencies at the same place it was great. 15:30:48 cake wallet is very suspicious i don't have any clear leads on them but it smells bro 15:31:06 multiple people reported money missing 15:31:36 it's a well respected wallet around here afaik 15:32:00 open source too https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet 15:32:20 Source please 15:32:30 can be FUD made for them but if i remembered correctly people reported it 15:33:10 probably fud, it's supposed to be non-custodial 15:35:03 Check out thorchain and serai. Nothing dodgy about them. Liquidity is guaranteed by pairing each asset to an intermediate currency, rune in the case of thorchain 15:36:50 Check out thorchain and serai. Nothing dodgy about them. Liquidity is guaranteed by pairing each asset to an intermediate currency, rune in the case of thorchain. Haven't tried serai yet but I use thorchain regularly 15:37:29 This is decentralized right? If so then sure. I mean for a centralized entity. 15:37:30 https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ov5myt/please_stop_using_cake_walletlost_03569334_btc/ 15:38:18 i am not sure about more information but i have been warned somewhere not to use it cannot get my sources on that as previously said i don't have any leads only memory of it 15:38:21 that's why i used exodus 15:38:44 Decentralization is a continuum, not an absolute, but I'd give thorchain an 8 on a scale of one to ten 15:41:02 Yeah what I meant was a company that needs to keep assets in all currency to assure swaps. That seems impossible. 15:41:08 image.png 15:41:18 > <@mmgen:monero.social> Decentralization is a continuum, not an absolute, but I'd give thorchain an 8 on a scale of one to ten 15:41:20 Yeah what I meant was a company that needs to keep assets in all currencies to assure swaps. That seems impossible. 15:41:37 (link without going through reddit btw https://redlib.datura.network/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ov5myt/please_stop_using_cake_walletlost_03569334_btc/) 15:41:38 Oh I see what you mean. Regarding thorchain: not totally decentralized, but I'd give it an 8 on a scale of one to ten 15:42:25 the only sus thing about cake wallet is their domain monero.com have a google tracker 15:42:38 Right, I misunderstood you 15:42:42 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/m.datura.network/luZxAaOKICqQwmlrkRXKsmxk 15:42:52 No problem :) 15:42:59 the guy got caught off guard by the change after he ignored cakewallet's warnings i guess 15:44:12 the guy got caught off guard after he ignored cakewallet's warnings i guess 15:47:23 as i said i don't have any leads only some memory in my head of someone saying not to use it open source is something that every wallet has to do 15:48:01 i am very confused these days regarding wallets as there's 10ish ones that i had to track to evercode (atomic wallet,guarda,freewallet) etc 15:48:33 and seeing everything in this crypto wallets like ledger,exodus and others i am losing trust in everything haha 15:50:53 i get where you're going at. it's about having the proper opsec to begin with. 15:50:54 1) get an open source wallet (you need to know what the software is doing) 15:50:56 2) make sure all of your funds are LOCAL, and in YOUR control alone 15:50:58 3) prefer decentralised exchanges, dont risk loosing your mind with CEXs KYC stuff 15:51:13 i saw somewhere today on monero subreddit there's guy selling phone like hardware monero wallet 15:51:23 I just deinstalled reddit. from my smartphone. 15:51:35 does anyone know how is it called? i would really like to see it 15:51:49 i forgot the name 15:51:55 trezor ? 15:52:07 I just deinstalled reddit. from my smartphone. <- what apps even were alive after the purge? 15:52:20 No it was on monero subreddit it's litterly built as phone like anonymous phone in that scheme 15:52:38 a grapheneOS phone probably 15:53:03 Could be ANONERO thing 15:54:20 i am looking for it 15:54:36 it was luxury gold one in shape of old anonymous phones 15:54:43 199.99$ it costs 15:54:52 and it's just monero only hardware wallet 15:55:14 @BlueyHealer You should not actually use a service that requires an e-mail address. 15:55:36 Matrix , hmm!? XD 15:56:33 I like Nostr. Just a key pair. 15:57:26 cu later guys. i'm off for now. 15:57:54 Matrix , hmm!? XD <- well, Matrix is on my server, and a VPS required an e-amil :( 16:03:59 can't seem to find it anywhere 16:04:11 really no one remembers? site was luxury design and they sell it for 199.99$ 16:13:35 saw it too 16:13:43 but I dont recall the name 16:14:09 bro i am trying to find it all this time i remmeber its same design as vertu luxury phones 16:15:31 https://foundationdevices.com/ ?? 16:15:40 https://foundation.xyz/ ?? 16:15:44 YES 16:16:32 exactly that one it's built same as vertu 16:16:41 but it's not monero only weird 16:16:51 it's bitcoin only 16:17:36 supposedly there an xmr community developed version of the firmware, but I use a trezor so I don't really know 16:20:02 cryptowatergate: found it: 16:20:04 https://github.com/mjg-foundation/passport2-monero 17:40:56 Serai isnt out as far as i know 17:41:13 I think Luke said 6months or so at monerokon 17:42:23 jackpot that's what i wanted thansk 17:42:51 Any timeline on fcmp? 17:44:24 most optimistic timeline is ~1.2 year 17:45:46 Sounds good 17:48:21 Isn't it. there is absolutely no way this get delayed whatsoever. It's not like it is a pretty complex cryptographic implementation, protocol reviews, and migration to achieve /s 17:48:47 Yeah, I'd rather it take longer 17:48:57 And have audits, reviews, etc. 17:49:10 Is there a big team or mainly just kaiba? 17:49:17 More seriously progress have been very good tho, optimistic timeline is well... optimistic 17:49:19 Pretty sure just kayaba 17:49:29 If you watch his talks at MoneroKon 2024, he speaks pretty positively about the timeline 17:49:42 Whats it on? 17:49:57 nah. There are third parties reviewers and integration works being done form NoWalletLeftBehind 17:50:05 FCMP++, bulletproofs++, view-assist keys, one more thing I didn't attend 17:50:44 youtube.monerokon.org 17:51:10 Thanks 17:51:12 FCMP++, bulletproofs++ (that was Liam Eagen), view-assist keys, one more thing I didn't attend 17:56:43 there are other devs are working on implementing FCMP 17:58:02 there are other devs are working on implementing FCMP 17:58:23 u r the best bridge :D 17:58:49 <3 18:00:43 we didn't go with FMCP on seraphis because seraphis is always 2 years away so instead we went with FMCP on RingCT cause it's always 1 year away ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:01:17 *FCMP 18:02:55 we didn't go with FCMP on seraphis because seraphis is always 2 years away so instead we went with FCMP on RingCT cause it's always 1 year away ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:13:38 the 'message matrix dot org users once when they send a msg' bot will be sending this text https://paste.debian.net/1320277/ 18:14:21 if i need to slip in some cat related things or emojis please let me know 18:15:45 Is there a bot now which makes IRC messages visible to matrix.org users? I see nioCat's messages doubled in a strange way 18:16:35 syntheticbird decided to byob 18:17:15 Oh, are we this far already with that matrix.org drama? :) 18:17:41 plowsof: any word from pidgeons? 18:17:45 lmao 18:18:17 recently Matrix has been losing a lot of my messages. My server delivers fine, but some people cannot decrypt them lol 18:20:08 recently Matrix has been.* 18:20:15 fixed your sentence 18:21:28 ? 18:22:14 I am sure that if something will ever supersede Matrix it will be 10 times more complex still and will have absolutely gorgeous failure modes because of that 18:23:26 I honestly can't attest that since I can't read the monstreous haskell codebase that is SimpleX 18:23:51 not kidding if there was an SDK, SimpleX would already be the number one messaging platform 18:25:20 SimpleX uses a lot of battery in my experience. 18:25:31 Yea, set up a server of that out of curiosity and not only does it work better, the server also takes up significantly less RAM. 18:26:03 rottenwheel, idk about battery because I usually have my laptop plugged in, but its client uses an egregious amount of RAM because Electron. 18:26:09 XMPP, SimpleX, Threema maximalist. 18:26:15 Element swallowed my entire phone in my experience 18:26:22 Threema is centralized, it does not belong there, rottenwheel 18:26:32 SimpleX client is electron too? 18:26:37 YES 18:26:39 unfortunately yes 18:26:42 BlueyHealer where's 'there'? 18:27:05 It eats up, like, 700 megs of RAM, I really count on alternative clients. 18:27:18 I wish I could code so that I could start that... Maybe I will) 18:27:25 SyntheticBird I use SchildiChat as my client for Matrix, no complaints. I know it's an Element fork but surprisingly it isn't as bad as upstream. 18:27:47 On mobile, Schildichat had more issues with encryption. I use Nheko Reborn on desktop. 18:27:54 I have never used element beyond some browser sessions when setting up an account on a homeserver. 18:28:06 I don't know how people are still building Electron apps. Nobody says good things about Electron besides Electron developers 18:28:08 I stumbled upon schildicat didn't mind installing it with the old screenshots. will definitely try 18:28:12 BlueyHealer where's 'there'? <- in a comparison with XMPP and Simplex. 18:28:23 Yeah at least use Tauri 18:28:25 Interesting. No issues to report on my end. Been using matrix and schildichat for the past couple years or so. 18:28:49 I also really hope there would be lists of public Simplex servers like there are for Matrix or XMPP. It concerns me that there is a default set almost everyone is on. 18:28:59 XMPP would be leaner and easier to use than simplex, I think. 18:29:20 I run default servers plus a couple from friends. 18:29:28 Yea, I use it as my main messenger, rottenwheel, although simplex looks promising too. It is young so I would look where it goes. 18:29:36 Default servers? 18:29:52 Simplex. 18:30:12 I mean what do you mean "you run"? You mean have them in your list? 18:30:34 Yes. 18:30:34 I only have my own SMP server, but failed to set up XFTP - something in the provided Systemd file is apparently wrong. 18:36:27 SimpleX uses a lot of battery in my experience. <<>> depends on the setting for checking messages. If you have it on constant then 0_o 18:37:32 I think there are 2 other settings and 1 step down is not bad for the battery and you get messages timely enough 18:38:16 I don't use it on mobile personally, I just hope for a less-demanding desktop client. 18:38:30 If people need private messaging, a computer fits better - it's much easier to make private. 18:47:01 i'd say that with XMPP it's about the same 18:47:13 just use OMEMO and turn off notifications and it's as private as you can get 18:47:34 just use OMEMO and turn off notifications on mobile and it's as private as you can get on desktop 18:53:18 Why turn off notifications if you lack the Google service anyway? And on laptop they're built-in... 18:53:35 But yea, I use mostly it, has been botherless so far. 18:53:49 (still really curious where Simplex goes) 18:56:34 why tf is Matrix the one that got popular instead 18:56:49 (tbh the protocol I enjoy the most is IRC) 18:59:51 SimpleX encryption can't even be compared with XMPP OMEMO. SimpleX have much more features and is state of the art (and still audited) 19:00:36 OMEMO is pretty much equivalent to just using PGP, it guarantees confidentiality, but does not have forward secrecy, so many other issues 19:00:39 BlueyHealer, because at the time matrix was a different project than Element and the dev were the only one giving a network with e2ee and bridges 19:00:43 Simplex protocol is really strong 19:01:05 i love all these simplex shills 19:01:17 reminds me of the signal shills 7 years ago :p 19:01:38 Probably because it is the strongest I've found. If you disagree, please suggest an alternative I can look into 19:01:59 I currently use Matrix mainly but am trying simplex stuff and I've been reading the spec and other stuff related to it 19:02:11 I've never used simplex 19:02:16 not looked into it 19:02:29 i like xmpp, threema and retroshare :) 19:02:37 recanman, afaik OMEMO does have forward secrecy. It is based on Signal protocol. 19:02:59 Thanks BlueyHealer, sorry about that 19:03:01 uncle_rae. 7 years ago, signal was arguably the best messenger in town. It is a shame what it becomes but its not like people would have been able to predict the future 19:03:12 uncle_rae | i love all these simplex shills <- is being curious about a young protocol "shilling"? 19:03:20 yes :D 19:03:39 Retroshare is interesting as well, but haven't looked into it in a while) 19:04:14 xmpp, threema and retroshare share the same issue that made Matrix and Discord the primary real time messaging platform for code project -> interface sucks 19:04:16 Signal is annoying to use without a smartphone because you have to register via Signal-cli. 19:04:38 People would 100% go over some good looking ad reactive UI if it meant no forward secrecy 19:04:41 And last time I tried, it could not bind a desktop client, so was stuck using it. Good thing I only use it for a couple old classmates. 19:05:05 syntheticbird, Dino, Gajim and 19:05:14 especially Conversations look very modern 19:05:30 unfortunately xmpp threema retroshare and irc all have win95 interfaces 19:05:39 xmpp - what client are you using? 19:05:47 BlueyHealer, Gajim is ugly and Dino is good tho, but gnome only 19:05:56 And I seen some people on IRC complain about Gajim being redesigned as "too trendy"... 19:06:11 (tbh I do prefer the layout without the separate contact window) 19:06:28 WDYM Gnome-only? 19:06:35 * BlueyHealer has tried it while on XFCE 19:06:37 The nice thing about free and open source software is that if you don't like it, you can fork it and change what you want 19:07:04 "And I seen some people on IRC complain about Gajim being redesigned as "too trendy"..." <<>> *insert spongebob meme of a small hill attraction* 19:07:06 I remember being frustrated with Dino being barebones, but some people might indeed prefer it. But now Gajim looks identical. 19:07:27 syntheticbird, a kiddie coaster is still a credit! 19:07:53 Yeah dino is barebone ngl. I say gnome only because if people are on any other DE, libadwaita fucked up 19:08:14 Where id this visible? Never saw UI issues. 19:08:27 at least on XFCE 19:08:31 lmao if I forked any software I was frustrated with I would have already 100 projects to work in parallel 19:08:59 and there is no chance it get adopted unless you made friends along the road 19:09:08 and after that you need to maintain it 19:09:19 XFCE W ig 19:09:26 It is the nature of GPL, not necessary that it gets adopted 19:09:34 I wanted to try KDE, but like XFCE too much to try changing things) 19:09:35 if they redesigned it and you don't like it, clone the git repository and compile on older commit/tag, use that 19:09:45 KDE sucks 19:09:57 How? I saw people really like the customizability. 19:10:03 I love GNOME despite the devs being the most toxic in the FOSS community 19:10:09 Sure, I just strongly dislike it. I like lxqt 19:10:17 I mean, most toxic after revolt.chat 19:10:30 What happened there? 19:11:11 My exposure to Gnome was on Tails a few years ago, idk how it has changed since. But I didn't like how inflexible it was and the huge full-screen menu that could have been one page but isn't is just EWW 19:12:32 BlueyHealer long story short: every mods and devs were transgenders and what was an open minded community quickly became an LGBT+ only space where whatever you say make you ban. They were antitheist, heterophobic and sometimes racist. It was just the definition of woke madness. Which is a shame because it had so much potential. I do wake up every morning thinking this was an excep 19:12:34 tion and that not all LGBT community are like this one 19:12:36 how does the threema interface suck syntheticbird? and how do you say that about xmpp when there are so many clients out there? that's an odd claim. 19:13:10 BlueyHealer: i moved from xfce to kde an didn't miss anything 19:14:24 xfce just works for me 19:15:26 AFAIK there is a Windows XP theme for it and that sounds right for me lol 19:15:37 ew, why? 19:16:44 uncle_rae nvm Threema interface dont sucks. I was confused somehow 19:17:01 gotcha 19:17:23 retroshare is a throwback in terms of ui but it works for the audience that it's made for 19:18:31 Threema bothers me with how it's centralized. What even are advantages? 19:18:44 so is signal 19:18:47 yes 19:18:49 and yet everyone seems to love that shit 19:18:52 And Signal sucks imo 19:18:56 no email, no phone number 19:19:02 Signal protocol is strong but needs a phone number 19:19:02 can pay via cash sent 19:19:05 or xmr 19:19:10 Not only the centralization, but also how they ask you to register with a smartphone too. 19:19:11 Anything centralized has an inherent disadvantage 19:19:15 clear revenue model 19:19:17 I'd like to be able to host my own server 19:19:33 Signal protocol is strong but needs a phone number <- OMEMO protocol is Signal protocol over a saner messenger 19:19:34 it's an easier sell for the normies in my family BlueyHealer 19:19:49 Signal followed the same road as OpenAI, tho it wasn't funded by billionaires at the beginning 19:19:56 IDK, I sold my mom on Conversations. I chose a server for her - my server. 19:19:57 Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it BlueyHealer. I thought it was just public/private key 19:20:03 when i tell some of them that it's free they look at me sideways 19:20:12 when i tell them it's $5 they're cool with it 19:20:22 uncle_rae | can pay via cash sent <- that's not practical though, over some borders it's not going through. XMR, though - yes, that's appreciated. 19:20:34 it's an option 19:20:40 for some people it might be the best option 19:20:48 recanman, but Gajim also supports PGP as well if needed. 19:20:51 i paid via xmr 19:20:59 You just are unlikely to need it with omemo 19:21:04 I've used Gajim BlueyHealer, it is nice 19:21:16 ye, I use this one 19:21:28 Thought of trying a terminal one too 19:22:19 As for Signal - I use it for a couple old classmates. They're the only people from high school I am still in contact with. 19:22:42 yet it has to be used in a retarded way via "send -m "<...>" " 19:23:08 All because they arbitrarily don't want you to register from desktop. Sounds like an "F You" 19:23:36 Overall it is a very weird middle ground that I am only using because the alternative would be Telegram. 19:24:09 absolutely love the amount of matrix.org users just stacking up on the timeline and not seeing real time 19:24:34 ahaha 19:26:00 What's the issue with telegram Bluey? Is it because of the way they encrypt things? 19:26:07 Numerous issues 19:26:24 Colossal issues 19:26:50 https://mtpsym.github.io/ 19:27:04 It is centralized, requires phone number, is in UAE, has bad history with things 19:27:14 Clear text sent to centralized servers issues 19:27:16 By default, messages are not encrypted. Group chats are not encrypted 19:27:30 Secret chats (encrypted) only available on mobile, server isn't open, etc. 19:27:36 Why anyone would ever trust that thing is beyond me 19:27:38 Secret chats (e2ee) only available on mobile, server isn't open, etc. 19:28:06 rikapilled, rather don't encrypt things lol 19:28:06 Especially "crypto" or "tech" people 19:28:19 groupthing 19:28:22 Fuck you're right all those things sound horrid 19:28:24 Same goes for fucking Discord 19:28:26 groupthink 19:28:33 That is even worse 19:28:40 Also requires a smartphone to register, which was not an issue because I had an account from earlier and having it exposed to smartphone is not a big deal, everything is unencrypted anyway. 19:28:44 lmao Discord is really the worse 19:28:49 Soybiy gamer shit 19:28:52 and yet the most enjoyable one 19:28:57 people still use bitcoin and claim its private 19:28:58 You can assume users of discord have a room-temperature IQ 19:29:00 Yeah I'm really trying to get off discord. i have a lot of old friends that I talk to on there but they aren't willing to leave it. 19:29:02 Soyboy gamer shit 19:29:09 It is so funny that so-called "crypto" people choose Discord and not at least Matrix lol 19:29:16 really shows where their priorities are 19:29:26 but they wont tell you why because they dont know, they are being told what to think 19:29:32 I recommend you watch ArcticMine's talk and see what he says about bitcoin: https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=dTj42N49jdk 19:29:34 money, not privacy 19:30:01 Number go up 19:30:11 people still use bitcoin and claim its private <- the grain of truth is that you potentially can use Bitcoin privately, but that requires a lot of OPSEC and understaiding what you're doing. 19:30:30 matrix dot org users should be receiving the one time only spam message with info in now 🤞 19:30:32 yeah that is true 19:30:41 but there's no reason to do that 19:30:54 There might be. BTC is far more widely accepted than XMR. 19:30:55 and a lot of these people will say that other options like Monero are some sort of scam or honeypot 19:30:59 Why do people use bitcoin? 19:31:12 I am dealing with that now as my domain is soon to be renewed. 19:31:16 Loaded question 19:31:25 yeah, right again 19:31:27 Although looking more at LTC because of higher fees. 19:31:37 because it have more liquidity, onramp, offramp, opportunities, etc... 19:31:42 *lower fees lol 19:31:54 LTC is nice 19:31:56 more widespread than monero and easy to swap 19:31:58 low fees 19:32:00 Litecoin has a good use 19:32:10 I see 19:32:14 paying for stuff that don't accept Monero 19:32:27 BTW does Porkbun take LTC? 19:32:46 Might go with them then instead of Njalla again. 19:32:47 Recently nostr mad brain created a nostr powered p2p btc mixer. 19:33:10 so that it isn't a centralized entity anymore but you create pools with other nostr users at will 19:34:56 i don't think so 19:35:08 but you can swap XMR to something on polygon and then pay with that 19:35:14 you have to use wallet connect or metamask 19:36:23 I know Porkbun takes some crypto, but idk which ones, just know it's not Monero. 19:36:32 lemme check 19:36:45 they can accept anything walletconnect supports i think 19:37:02 "" 19:37:04 We accept payments for products using cryptocurrency. We have migrated our crypto payments over to Coinbase's onchain payment protocol. Payments using crypto will no longer incur an additional fee and can now be processed in the same flow as other payment methods. 19:37:05 which is all of the chains like eth, poly, tron, sol, etc 19:37:25 so you can just swap the xmr for something on one of those chains' 19:37:28 No idea what Metamask is - only used Feather. 19:37:32 so you can just swap the xmr for something on one of those chains 19:37:39 do you use cake wallet? 19:37:48 you can make a wallet on there to pay 19:37:52 Someone mentioned Trocador doing exact swaps, but haven't found that on their website, where is it? 19:38:00 Cake wallet? Isn't this mobile? 19:38:00 trocador.app 19:38:09 It has desktop beta 19:38:22 Oh, it has the exact swap feature too? Didn't know. 19:38:27 doesn't work on NVIDIA in my testing 19:38:36 I don't have it anyway 19:43:15 Is there a crypto opsec bible yet? 19:43:37 darknet bible is good, read the section about monero. Not for buying stuff from darknet, I don't endorse that 19:44:23 What darknet bible? Sounds like something out of a clickbait video lol 19:44:42 oh wait nevermind 19:45:54 BTW still cannot get over how Americans/Europeans casually use normal postal system for deliveries. Why not adopt dead drops? That sounds safer than going through an enterprise that gets so many people caught! 19:46:09 some people do use dead drops 19:46:27 Here pretty much EVERYTHING is delivered by them. 19:47:06 We even apparentl had them in our building, which encouraged some homeowner to hang up a sign "don't let strangers in, they're leaving drops" 19:47:27 leaving them in apartment buildings is so stupid, wtf 19:47:35 and in dense residential areas too 19:47:46 What's a dead drop? You leave the package in a random location or? 19:48:16 but there are people buying and selling on Telegram of all things, they have either never heard of OPSEC, live for the thrills or are high all the time. 19:48:27 rikapilled, yes, exactly. 19:48:59 Here you have to sign a form upon receiving any package, so zero plausible "I did not expect this one". 19:49:22 But even if there is - why do people use the mail system? Why are courier networks apparently not as big in the US?? 19:49:24 I see 19:50:01 No idea xd probably something to do with the government as always 19:50:13 So who organizes the dead drop then? The vendor? 19:50:23 I don't see why it wouldn't work there. 19:50:45 Darknet bible isnt very specific and doesnt go into much networking wise would love to see a more in depth work 19:51:09 As for organizing - I don't know, to be honest, might ask around. But I assume at least some courier networks exist separate from vendors. 19:52:12 Never questioned it tbh... But yea, doubtful every small vendor recruits couriers in multiple locations. 19:52:12 Pretty sure dead drops are a no go just because of distance that you have to cover in the US. You would cut out a lot of customers if you only did dead drops. (I do not buy/sell just a thought) 19:52:31 Russia is way bigger than the US, and dead drops work there! 19:52:57 I see 19:53:14 (granted, a lot of that is uninhabited... but you get the point, that somehow works on huge areas ninetheless) 19:53:43 If you're just buying a small amount of something, a postal service may provide better plausible deniability 19:53:51 Isnt population desity way higher in russia tho? 19:54:03 A dead drop shows intent, you show up at a place for an illegal transaction 19:54:10 Postage on the other hand can be unsolicited 19:54:13 Thats a good point 19:54:23 i2p > tor 19:54:29 fight me... 19:54:30 Here there is NO deniability: you SIGNED for this package. What would you say? "I ordered a pack of Magic The Gathering cards and this bag happened to be between them"? 19:54:35 Do dead drops not get dangerous though? Or do they happen in semi-public areas 19:54:36 I2P FTW 19:55:36 A dead drop shows intent, you show up at a place for an illegal transaction <- that's why this should be done outside of populated areas... Although some people have ZERO opsec with this lol, I literally saw a guy shoving a paper package into a railing XD 19:55:36 Most of the postage doesn't require signing, it's quite small 19:55:58 i'm glad the darknebible includes this note - OTR and Pidgin are both currently included with tails. However, both have become very dated. It is strongly encouraged that you start using OMEMO. 19:55:59 me, depends on the country. Here you sign for every one 19:56:07 What if the person selling you the drugs is a fed? 19:56:13 I only used OTR as a Hexchat addon. 19:56:25 kek, it mentions openbazaar 19:56:29 me, that happens too, you're cooked when receiving mail as well. 19:56:30 this shit is old 19:56:36 openbazaar was awesome 19:56:44 Train a Russian bear to pick up your dead drop 19:57:03 Wasn’t like that plot of Cocaine bear or something 19:57:05 uncle_rae, in the Tails chat, I have seen that they are thinking about replacing Pidgin with Gajim now. Might happen pretty soon. 19:57:26 they should gajim is better 19:57:33 i haven't use pidgin for about 10 years 19:57:36 I am surprised Pidgin lasted for so long lol. I have only seen it in Debian's preinstalled list and never opened 19:57:38 *at least 10 years 19:58:12 BTW I am only on IRC because Hexchat happened to be preinstalled on Debian 11 - my first proper Linux) 19:58:52 Good ol pidgin 19:59:11 Bluey if you are still interested in buying via porkbun the way you do it is pay at checkout and select crypto 19:59:16 What if the person selling you the drugs is a fed? <- some people do their dirty business on Telegram of all things lol, they pretty much are messaging feds) 19:59:41 you need to swap your XMR to something on one of the mainstream chains like eth (dont use), sol, poly, trx 19:59:49 I don't get how they are not scared though. It's so strange to me. 19:59:51 i use poly but i heard solana fees are lower 19:59:58 mcneb10, I just want to know in advance what is accepted to prepare/swap. Don't want to deal with cryptos with high fees. 20:00:12 rikapilled, I don't get it either! 20:00:44 When I asked about this, they literally didn't care! "Eh, feds don't care!" 20:00:54 i guess just swap some XMR to SOL or MATIC and use that to pay 20:01:06 Most would even do it from their main Telegram account! Pretty much attaching a passport to their dope order!!!! 20:01:18 or some coin on those networks with large supply like USD(C/T) (fees will be higher) 20:01:24 mcneb10, how are fees on SOL? 20:01:34 Comparable to XMR or LTC? 20:01:46 I just don't want to be left with "change" in my wallet. 20:02:04 pretty cheap, never used it 20:02:06 ive used polygon 20:02:10 they are very similar 20:02:26 I have only used XMR so far 20:02:43 i used $30 of XMR profits to invest in other coins 20:02:49 Invest? eww 20:02:53 $10 was burned on fucking ETH gas fees 20:02:57 never fucking use eth 20:03:05 As if I would) 20:03:15 If I 20:03:23 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/envs.net/dd1e21f1108e77abc402f5de8656cd0b3da0bf181801707018696785920 20:03:27 these are polygon fees 20:03:34 If I "invest", it's into tangible things - like a winter coat or good shoes. 20:03:48 Bluey that sounds insane. I've never bought drugs and stuff before (I barely know how crypto works) but even to someone like me thats crazy. 20:04:05 you can "invest" in USDC then use that to buy stuff 20:04:16 I never bought them too! And how they do it on Telegram baffles me! 20:04:36 They must hate themselves XD 20:05:19 You need a) a phone number, b) A SMARTPHONE (and no idea if an Android emulator/VM would suffice!!), c) some separation from the daily OS because the thing might collect telemetry! And apparently there can be troubles using it over Tor! 20:05:32 They're also ban-happy apparently if you try to outsmart them like this. 20:05:47 the average normie has no concept of OPSEC, obviously 20:06:02 Some people just count on the feds not caring. 20:06:12 and if they are buying illegal drugs they probably must not be the most intelligent 20:06:25 They 100% care 20:06:26 or they don't care 20:06:41 Which IS true to an extent. But you're still collecting compromate on yourself with pretty much your ID attached! 20:06:58 rikapilled, to be fair, here a lot of law enforcement are apparently on it. 20:07:36 I'm not surprised. They prefer to target drugs rather than other pressing issues 20:07:50 No, they prefer targetting dissidents to scare others. 20:08:18 But drugs can be a nice aid in that - and a nice way to make up a case. 20:08:35 Also probably they go after low-hanging fruit if they have unmet quotas. 20:09:01 I swear I hope rikapilled isn't child because he'll receive the worst political education imaginable on matrix 20:09:16 Like? 20:10:01 a boiling soup of extreme opinions coming from multiple people without way of telling the nuance in the situations being described 20:10:01 I have been reading too much on Western markets and their news and too little on Russian ones... I should fill that gap) 20:10:24 Or I should not. 20:10:41 extreme opinions = very opinionated* 20:10:57 Oh shit I talk about this in a public chat! IDK of this is dangerous to talk about that if all you're interested in is laughing your ass of at dumb OPSEC mistakes. 20:11:26 I didn't talked about you in particular BlueyHealer 20:11:43 you are free to express your opinions 20:11:58 TBH a lot of this is anticlimactic anyway... I read news every time hoping to see some interesting exploit, ot - even more so - a complicated social operation that took a market/vendor down... But no, the end is usually stupid and not that much of a pentest learning opportunity. 20:13:19 I am not very informed about this all, even though some aspects of it do cross over with my special interest (pentesting). So far have not heard of markets/vendors being taken down by actual hacking :( 20:14:13 Although it is sort of teaching you too... A lot of dumb OPSEC mistakes displayed by criminals are also displayed by companies lol 20:15:35 Yea, it is indeed on par with reading about how data leaks happen from companies. 20:16:33 I heard that a teenager made simple 2FA token steal by calling employees and managed to leak source code from big companies like Uber 20:16:44 lmfao 20:16:51 Sure, it's social engineering 20:16:53 It was really not that late, maybe early 2023 20:16:57 it's so fucking ridiculous these companies can get away with it 20:17:01 they called it a rampage 20:17:03 Happens a lot 20:17:04 having such awful security 20:17:14 they need to be severly punished 20:17:17 Happened a lot 20:17:28 syntheticbird, yea, something like this! 20:17:37 I think I know what you're referring to! 20:17:42 how? 20:17:47 fines 20:17:50 but like strong fines 20:17:52 Don't worry, they will get a $100 million dollar fine... 5% of their profits 20:18:02 or lasting punishments 20:18:04 Slap on the wrist 20:18:11 i don't know but the current system does nothing 20:18:18 yeah I mean, I get the idea but fines aren't going to force them to improve their security. Its board fault 20:18:39 a company need to emphasize security at its core for it work 20:18:40 You can't just patch things up 20:18:44 I want to become a pentester eventually, and I want to experience this security cringe by myself! 20:19:01 Although hope to go for more "technical" side too. 20:19:05 You have probably never worked in a company's production before 20:19:05 I want to experience both. 20:19:08 BlueyHealer noble job, wish you to succeed in that path 20:19:18 I am probably exaggerating 20:19:22 pentesting sounds super fun 20:19:25 nah nah. they do that, but its no ideal is what im saying 20:19:41 Best one (only one) I know is Siren 20:19:50 Siren is a pentester? 20:19:56 syntheticbird, it just happened to be my special interest now. I am kind of confused where to start - but reading books, watching leactures now and preparing for some CTFs this year. 20:20:00 imagine sneaking into a companies headquarters with a kali laptop and being paid to do it 20:20:03 Pretty sure, ask her Siren 20:20:14 imagine sneaking into a companie's headquarters with a kali laptop and being paid to do it 20:20:25 imagine sneaking into some company's headquarters with a kali laptop and being paid to do it 20:20:34 yeah I mean, I get the idea but fines aren't going to force them to improve their security. Its board fault <- probably the only thing that would make them change would be their proprietary info leaking to competitors lol 20:20:36 CTFs are the best way. Learn on the fly, you'll need to eat a lot of infos 20:20:48 also depends on your background 20:20:51 Hope to participate next year! 20:21:14 ive done a few, super fun and educational 20:21:20 I only started learning IT this year - before it was an entirely different thing I tried to get myself to obsess over but obsessions are not controllable. 20:21:28 the hash cracking part isn't that fun though 20:21:43 I want my 4090 rig... 20:21:47 i had to crack a decently modern hash and it took like 12 hours 20:21:49 I am not et even ready to do tasks tbh 20:21:56 and the password was weak as hell 20:22:00 lol 20:22:18 well that is sure an excuse to procrastinate) 20:22:19 BlueHealer its ok, its already pretty cool to interest into that only one year being in IT 20:22:20 Im not :) 20:22:25 But under 18 20:22:34 So i guess you could say child techincally 20:22:37 Yep 20:22:48 all I have to say is: very good profile picture 20:23:02 do you get depression on some missions? 20:23:10 Thanks 20:23:22 syntheticbird, I am kinda brainrotting over it now. I found a community for CTFs in my city, and now watching breakdowns of their tasks. All sound like something I would never do on my own :( But hope to get there! 20:23:36 very good profile pic I don't see on Weechat lol 20:24:04 BlueyHealer don't give up, keep hope you'll be able to do so in a year or so 20:24:29 it takes time 20:24:36 you have to start somewhere and build up 20:24:38 ye 20:25:05 Hope to start solving tasks after I'm done with my exams! 20:25:14 good luck and have fun! 20:25:21 Thanks! And goodnight. 20:25:27 gn 20:25:37 guten nacht 20:25:40 Hehe thanks bluey. I like the idea of weechat and other cli clients but i need to be able to see pictures lol 20:26:05 Night Bluey 20:26:22 people shouldn't be sending pics via irc 20:26:40 did anyone here ever use demonsaw? 20:27:41 Never heard of it 20:28:26 it wasn't well known 20:28:44 and seems to have been abandoned by the developer who promised several times to fully open source the code 20:28:49 (but did not) 20:29:01 Demonsaw 4 is an encrypted communications platform that allows you to chat, message, and transfer files without fear of data collection or surveillance from governments or corporations. Demonsaw 4 is free for individual and commercial use. 20:29:17 yeah theres a lot of chat programs like that 20:29:18 was/is a really good programme 20:29:20 have a cool concept 20:29:28 it worked great 20:29:34 but making chat programs is much, much harder than it appears on the surface 20:29:40 but *sigh* 20:29:49 XMPP? 20:29:59 that's probably as good as you can get for messaging these days 20:30:17 how does demonsaw compare? 20:30:27 But if it wasnt open source how would you have known it truly didnt collect data 20:30:32 you can't 20:30:38 Wireshark? 20:30:53 well if it's e2ee you won't be able to read traffic 20:30:54 Use a firewall if you're so paranoid (you should be using one) 20:31:06 you still need to let the traffic go through for the chat service 20:31:17 You'll still be able to look at when traffic is sent. E.g when the application is idle 20:31:26 how do you know that the same channel used for your chats isnt collecting other data about you? 20:31:33 when its closed source you cant 20:31:42 I wasn't following discussion 20:31:52 how do you know that the same channel used for your chats isnt being used to send data collected other data about you? 20:31:54 ah 20:32:25 If it is ssl use mitmproxy, I've never seen a proprietary application encrypt data once over 20:32:32 Dump memory 20:33:03 Is this thing you are talking about selfhostable? 20:33:14 any of you nerds use retroshare? 20:33:17 i mean with all that effort you might as well just use something open src 20:33:36 like retroshare :) 20:33:44 recanman, I've heard some applications use cert pinning and wouldn't allow you to mitm 20:33:46 It may be necessary at times to inspect traffic of a proprietary application, e.g bossware 20:33:57 Would firewall still be necessary if it was open source? Or just have a firewall regardless 20:34:03 Hmm, yeah, good point BlueyHealer 20:34:09 Firewall regardless 20:34:17 Alright 20:34:21 I gotta implement that then 20:34:35 I use firewalld or ufw depending on system, and I also have OPNsense firewall with TLS inspection and IPS 20:34:40 Can't get better than that (it can) 20:35:07 Ill go search those things 20:35:29 uncle_rae, is this thing selfhostable, again? 20:35:49 Either way, I would rather use some things that have more eyes on it and more history. 20:36:36 p2pool has been doing very well today 20:36:58 3 blocks already 20:37:27 my lucky break considering i only got like 2 payouts this week before today 20:37:34 BTW I wish I knew about IRC earlier... No chat protocol gives me so much joy. 20:37:51 how much money is that? 20:38:00 50 cents 20:38:04 i got multiple dollars today 20:38:25 I wish i could host an IRC server, but I don't have anyone to do it for. My dream would be an IRC chat server for friends, and then said friends assembling for a Mumble groupchat - for a movie, or a video game match... 20:38:30 for free? 20:38:33 well i didn't pay for it 20:38:36 but im mining it 20:38:41 so it uses a lot of power 20:38:44 BlueyHealer: demonsaw? yes. 20:38:51 I see 20:39:13 Crypto is confusing lol 20:39:20 yeah it is 20:39:36 it sucks bc the cryptobros/maxis hide much more nuanced and interesting movement 20:39:41 It is based on very difficult mathematical concepts and some economic concepts, of course it will be jard 20:39:46 It is based on very difficult mathematical concepts and some economic concepts, of course it will be hard 20:40:05 Not just hide, but stain reputation in general! 20:40:10 yeah i still don't fully understand PoW 20:40:27 but PoS seems like a conflict of Satoshi's original vision for sure 20:40:58 Was nice talking to you all, I'm gonna go to bed now, goodnight. 20:41:00 Am I missing something I thought irc wasnt secure or is there a way the e2ee it? 20:41:02 gn 20:41:05 Gn 20:41:08 you can use it over tor 20:41:10 guten nacht 20:41:25 PoW means you need to work hard to get your currency, just like you have to put some work to mine gold, you have to put some work to mine monero 20:41:30 and then use the secure version 20:41:37 BlueyHealer: why self host irc when you can p2p via retroshare? 20:41:44 yeah i know how, i don't fully understand why though 20:41:52 Am I missing something I thought irc wasnt secure or is there a way the e2ee it? <- there are addons for e2e. Personally used OTR on Hexchat. 20:42:01 you bruteforce a hash in the target range to "mine" the block 20:42:05 Yes but work is work 20:42:09 which is extremly computationally expensive 20:42:10 But ye, IRC is mostly not e2e 20:42:21 goal is to keep the scarcity in check i think 20:42:46 that's part of it 20:42:56 the only way the cryptocurrency is made is through mining 20:42:58 Mining cryptocurrency is just calling rand() infinitely in a while loop until it returns 42 - CHANGE MY MIND 20:43:00 take the dollar for example, it's easy to print more money, the more there is, the less value it has 20:43:24 Do you have a field you're more oriented in ? 20:43:26 i heard it also helps prevent people from double spending coins 20:43:39 so if you send a transaction twice one of them will be "mined" into the blockchain 20:43:50 and the other will be discarded so you can't create funds out of nowhere 20:44:16 why tf do you take cool tech and strap it where it does not belong overshadowing the true intent 20:44:21 kinda, bitcoin mining works by changing a nonce randomly to bruteforce a hash 20:44:34 money, idk 20:44:45 most bitcoin users got into it for the wrong reason 20:44:48 Its just a meme chill :) 20:45:08 well it does do that in a way 20:45:44 since PoW is so awful for the environment, it would be cool to at least use the blockchain to do useful work 20:46:15 i don't know a task that would be hard to preform but easy to verify and also provide the same protections as bruteforcing a hash though 20:46:24 that is also useful to society 20:46:39 Yea PoS isnt a great replacement 20:46:59 it just reverts back to what satoshi was trying to get away from 20:47:06 centralized control 20:47:15 the rich get richer 20:47:32 Exactly just look at how many blocks coinbase mines on eth 20:47:41 If someone told me just three years ago that I would own crypto, I would not have believed it. 20:47:50 me neither 20:48:07 im just mad bc i almost bought btc in nov. 2023 20:48:10 :? 20:48:11 I used to think of it in context of all the cryptobro-ing and scamming... 20:48:14 :/ 20:49:14 So bluey is it more secure to chat through irc or is there another reason ur through irc? 20:49:17 I am only here because the main financial system let me down because of circumstances I could not control... But even after the political shenanigans are over and Swift is back, I think I am sticking with Monero. 20:49:30 based 20:49:40 support the XMR circular economy 20:49:42 anon7642, I like how barebones it is and it just feels cozy because of that. 20:49:53 well simplicity breeds security 20:49:58 Waiting on brics to crush the US economy 20:50:03 NO. 20:50:07 Makes sense 20:50:26 I am waiting for them to stop doing atrocities and make sorta peace. 20:50:33 if only more people would migrate, it would be a path of no return 20:50:35 (idk how safe it is to say this) 20:50:50 great_taste, to Monero? 20:50:57 crush? 20:50:58 good luck 20:51:12 nobody would want fake fiat coins anymore 20:51:17 Crushed by debt 20:51:33 Even if this could somehow happen... This would be narratively unsatisfying. 20:51:49 i think the us is doing pretty well actually 20:51:59 relatively 20:52:02 everything is shit 20:52:41 the U.S. economy is so incredibly diverse that it's fall probably wont happen for a long time 20:52:55 but keep some XMR for if/when it does 20:53:25 Its off the petro dollar now so anything could happen 20:53:32 the US cant make a t-shirt 20:53:45 I just wait for this all to end. I hope to get a few years of norma life in before I end my life as mother/wife. 20:54:15 amen 20:54:16 (whom am I kidding, I would be procrastinating and would arrive at 30 yo as an old maid) 20:54:18 this war is useless 20:54:26 I pray for it to end and for brands to return 20:56:15 Gotta love the US oil wars 21:11:49 BlueyHealer: hello :) we could run an Ircd together :) 21:12:07 eh 21:12:28 I used to have an IRC network for learning purposes 21:12:47 I just thought of doing it for an IRL group 21:13:15 What benefits over the existing networks would it make? 21:14:57 it is just cool 21:15:04 and easy to host so why not 21:18:01 right 21:36:47 Ignorance is a hell of a drug 21:40:58 In some situation it can be a lifesaving drug though... I don't follow political news because that just brings me pain while emphacizing how powerless I am to do anything against this force of nature. 21:42:20 "Ignorance is bliss" is so damn true 21:42:25 Only ignorance gets me through, otherwise it would be parayzing pain. 21:42:46 I only don't ignore things that can affect me and that I can protect from. 21:43:18 Like following surveillance news closely. That I can at least try to protect myself and people I love from. 21:43:32 Same for education news. 21:43:50 So I guess "ignorance but not for everything" 21:47:42 Not sure how to answer this. I'm professionally a pentester, I have certs, corporate experience. But in my free time I'm a dev. I pivoted to security from DevOps. 21:49:18 Certs I would only get if employer pays for them. Because they're all paid. 21:49:44 I hope to get through just on uni... And on uni that may not even be that relevant by specialty. 23:22:48 what would you guys think of an xmpp XEP (extension) that allows for monero (or other cryptocurrency) payments and requests 23:23:18 like the client apps could send a stanza to another user to make a payment request which can be openend by a mobile wallet 23:23:33 which is then signed by the wallet and the TX proof is sent back to the requester 23:46:16 file image.png too big to download (3827504 > allowed size: 1000000) 23:46:18 image.png 23:46:25 I got #1 with username "buy monero" 23:46:39 running ads on games. What are you doing for monero anon? 23:47:48 lmfao 23:48:00 did you see that windows xp hack stream> 23:48:04 did you see that windows xp hack stream? 23:48:33 someone exposed a windows xp machine to the internet and someone hacked in and put up the popup 'Hello from Kyunhost, buy $XMR' 23:48:38 not using adblocker is illegal 23:48:54 didn 23:49:06 just got what you mean by ads lol 23:49:15 Hahahha yeah 23:49:28 Hahahha lol 23:49:30 oh yeah, saw it. Very random tbh 23:49:35 buy XMR 23:49:47 gotta play more games with BUY XMR username 23:49:51 lmfao 23:50:07 just go to bitcoin chat and set username to 'BUY XMR' 23:51:15 insta ban