07:12:21 <m-relay> <m​cneb10:envs.net> https://youtu.be/gdSFkYba4eM
07:12:23 <m-relay> <m​cneb10:envs.net> Lmfao based
08:22:47 <m-relay> <t​om:hackliberty.org> Hello . Please tell me where I can buy prepaid SIM cards and pay for xmr ?
08:25:32 <m-relay> <j​dsfiuhakdlj:nope.chat> buy it with bitcoin instead
08:27:28 <m-relay> <t​om:hackliberty.org> this is not the best option, what kind of company can you provide a link (not esim)
09:15:28 <tfum132> hello
09:53:25 <dufjj> test
09:54:09 <m-relay> <g​fhdjfghghj:nope.chat> @norvegan:nope.chat
09:54:52 <m-relay> <g​fhdjfghghj:nope.chat> hello
11:45:20 <m-relay> <k​okoqeen:matrix.org> what is the block time for stagenet ?
12:03:09 <dEBRUYNE> Same as mainnet as far as I know, i.e., 2 minutes
18:43:37 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Why did ErC quit the monero community ?
18:43:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> seems like a long story
18:45:29 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Summary: he's a whining man child that didn't get things the way he wanted so threw a tantrum and rage quit. (Finally! 🎉)
18:46:13 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hopefully he won't come back and gets to be the spoiled tankie he's always been. Long live Firo!
18:51:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Last time I heard of him he was complaining on reddit that woodser had caused the fall of Haveno council or smth
18:52:04 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Disclaimer: rottenwheel was one of the people who wanted ErC gone xD
18:52:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah lol I kinda got this
18:52:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so there was people that were for ErC to stay ig ?
18:53:20 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Don't think so, no, they'd have voiced their opinion, or so would I think.
18:53:51 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Suffice to say I know for a fact I'm not the only one who didn't like the dude's attitude, just that most people preferred to avoid explicit conflict with him.
18:53:53 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Effectively from what I can tell ErC wanted to inject politics into Monero projects they were involved with; they were rejected 
18:53:54 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> What was the last straw for them I think was that their CCP for being paid was rejected
18:54:08 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Yeah, definitely an interesting character lol
18:54:36 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Seems like they ditched the ErC identity not long after leaving xmr
18:55:36 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Also this room’s name isn’t showing for me, same for anyone else?
18:55:42 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> To this day he's still bitching blurting out lines like "I left the monero community because of people like you!" on X and shit. Lol.
18:56:05 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Hold on let me check the archives xD
18:56:22 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Says monero:monero.social for me
18:56:24 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Guy's a pussy. If you step down, just walk away, pursue another north, I don't know. Get a dog. 😂
18:56:36 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Showing just fine for me now.
18:56:58 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> For me it shows “Stnby and 1282 others”
18:57:14 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ffs lol. https://xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1804764679308288303#m
18:57:18 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> It’s been like that for a few days
18:57:18 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Also this room in particular has been very laggy
18:57:39 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> https://xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1800480947537944718
18:58:23 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Case in point. https://xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1791081249861243235
18:58:32 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Tbf the concerns with Reto are somewhat valid
18:58:44 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> That being said the “5th biggest contrib” is WILD
18:58:51 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> So cherry picked
18:59:35 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> “After all this time I’m still the 5th largest contributor, excluding everything that could realistically dethrone my status over time”
19:00:15 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Like I definitely respect the stuff they did for Haveno
19:00:16 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> But they are definitely their own worst enemy
19:02:17 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> He misses monero badly 😂
19:03:24 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> How much bloat is there due to the arbitration system in the source? Seems like a lot when I looked at it when haveno first launched. But off the top of my head I can’t decide if it’s enough bloat that it would be worth just starting from scratch with the P2P ad posting model. It’s a very simple P2P network, the code base would be pretty small.
19:04:33 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Tbh I’m not sure; I think that it can be skimmed down over time
19:04:59 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> There is *still* legacy Bitcoin code, as well as code to allow base currencies other than XMR…..
19:05:00 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> ….yeah
19:07:28 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> If I had the time I could probably write the source for the ad posting network and client without gui in less than a month
19:09:16 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Remember to use the 200% rule for project timing
19:09:16 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> If you say it’ll be done in less than a month, it’ll likely be done in less than 3 😂
19:09:48 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Hahah yea I’d still have to refine it and have it reviewed
19:10:24 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Basically meant like a functioning draft
19:10:44 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Hmm
19:10:54 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> That would be interesting
19:11:06 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> How would it work, from the maker side and the taker side
19:11:29 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> (And also from the network’s perspective for both, cuz decentralized)
19:12:43 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/CbUtUwTwDyhdhFWxQHpusnrG
19:13:07 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> "Monero is an inclusive project" -> we should exclude someone from the conference
19:13:14 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> excuse me?
19:14:25 <m-relay> <m​mxxx:monero.social> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/qov4at/vote_to_cancel_chris_sky_from_being_invited_to/
19:15:35 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Leftards, they're progressive and inclusive all you want, as long as you fall under their parameters, meet their expectations and think like they do. 😁
19:16:14 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He accused me once, either in this channel or in -community of posting conspiracy theories and being a neo nazi in my Twitter profile. Lol.
19:16:57 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> maybe he should help out zcash instead
19:17:52 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Or the rust foundation perhaps
19:18:19 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> mozilla perhaps
19:18:54 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Perhaps he should work for OpenAI; aren’t they the biggest open source project rn? 😂
19:19:14 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> "open" AI
19:19:36 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> I mean, Haveno is made in Java
19:19:36 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Minecraft is Java
19:19:38 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Hmmmmmmm
19:19:51 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Minecraft Haveno mod
19:20:28 <BlueyHealer> Given that there were computer processors made in Minecraft... Technically this is possible)
19:21:31 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Imagine you log onto Haveno one day and the first offer you see is “1.3 million diamond blocks for 2.3 XMR”
19:21:55 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> The most awesome and most dystopian thing ever
19:22:27 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> time to build RandomX in Minecraft servers to start a botnet :D
19:23:04 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Once the network has been bootstrapped, peer discovery is trivial, and nodes use proof of burn method to manage the number of ads posted. The propagation model for spreading the proof for the ad fee is computationally inexpensive. Maker’s query nodes for ads and verify their proof in the ad listing. Also in the ad listing can be proof of funds. Which mitigates time being wasted <clipped message>
19:23:04 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> by takers and reduces excessive unnecessary requests to makers. 
19:23:06 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> After communication has been established between an individual pair of maker and taker there’s no need for them to use the network to trade with each other again.
19:23:20 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Hmm
19:23:20 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> What are the ram reqs for RandomX 😂
19:23:54 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> erm, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it
19:26:14 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/CCOfPeiwdqYgyEODRXyaVKmV
19:27:26 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> So, to be clear, the network will:
19:27:26 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> -connect makers/takers together on an aggregated “forum” of sorts
19:27:28 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> -allow makers and takers to communicate with each other
19:27:30 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> -allow takers to prove that the maker has funds
19:27:32 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> The network does not
19:27:34 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> -handle a transaction
19:27:36 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> -arbitrate a transaction
19:27:38 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> -ensure that the transaction goes smoothly
19:27:40 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> -protect against fraud that is not related to the ad postings themself
19:28:21 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Does this also mean that all vendors at a given price point will look the same, assuming they both have the same proof?
19:29:28 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yes except in-client messaging is not not necessary. But you can integrate it if you want. Makers can post contact details in ad
19:30:32 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Hmm
19:30:55 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> So replace the “communicate with each other” with simply
19:31:03 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Client can integrate price index with makers setting estimated price above spot. However you should expect exact quotes upon contact
19:31:10 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Oh wait, do the takers actually do anything on the network other than lurk?
19:31:47 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Hmm ok
19:31:49 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Basically lurk then contact
19:32:02 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Ah I see
19:32:20 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Yeah that would be nice as its own thing
19:32:26 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> It would be risky though
19:33:38 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> They’ll need proof of funds for the ads estimate anyway. Otherwise takers will ignore the ad
19:34:36 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> I’m more concerned about fraud occurring off the platform, ie they have proof of funds but never release it to the other person
19:35:04 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> Unless there would be extra stipulations for how the transaction goes (ie 2:2 stuff)
19:37:36 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Oh not sure how much you saw my commentary on that much earlier in haveno lounge. 
19:37:38 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> This all comes down to premium and deposit pricing.
19:37:40 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> I mentioned earlier in that room that I may be willing to write an interactive premium and deposit pricing tool for the financially and mathematically impaired normie
19:38:19 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> “The financially and mathematically impaired 😂😭”
19:38:21 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Partially because I write this stuff to automate my own use cases anyway
19:39:44 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’m still waiting to actually get involved in monero’s economy. Waiting for more development.
19:41:10 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/eWlNfIJEXpUZHKZjBybfjLVt
19:41:24 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> we drained his stock lol
19:43:35 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> who is we?
19:49:29 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> lil_nigger12 on discord and sigmaskibidier
19:50:07 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> what does that have to do with monero?
19:50:52 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> it's not got anything to do with monero lmao
19:50:56 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Moooooods!
19:50:58 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> join https://discord.gg/hch, we drained them
19:51:03 <m-relay> <1​23bob123:matrix.org> But we dont include erc, so not inclusive
19:51:10 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> we drained them of 1k stock
19:51:16 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> we drained https://discord.gg/hch
19:51:29 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org endor00 sirs?
19:51:33 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> nobody cares
19:53:27 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/EvmIqZCJoYGDFfbfzCFtqGYT
19:53:36 <m-relay> <d​fujnmvbn:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/pxtmTRHpYXOKyqRKPffksqbY
19:54:16 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> ok
19:55:12 <m-relay> <e​ndor00:matrix.org> Thanks
19:55:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gj plow
19:55:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gj
19:58:24 <m-relay> <k​okoqeen:matrix.org> thnx
20:01:24 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> here we go again
20:04:35 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Also there’s some general guidelines that should be sufficient for the vast majority of cases without necessarily needing a pricing tool to guide users. Primarily users with greater activity and volume will need a pricing tool or their own methods for pricing
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20:28:46 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> plowsof endor00
20:34:25 <plowsof> o/