06:14:51 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> kycnot.me
06:15:05 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> use haveno dex with bank transfers
06:16:05 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> is there a guide to start running Haveno somewhere? Also is there a Matrix chatroom for this?
06:16:20 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/haveno-client-f2f/index.html
06:16:51 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Was literally about to tag you lol
06:18:21 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> use haveno dex with bank transfers , to avoid centralised exchanges and their kyc
06:19:38 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> Who runs the Reto network?
06:19:52 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Monerobull
06:19:54 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> And holds keys to the multisig
06:20:05 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> fuck off
06:21:21 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> well does anyone know who holds keys?
06:21:44 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> the admins maintain their anonymity
06:21:59 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> They are in this chat tho
06:22:06 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> fair enough
06:24:56 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> Also why is the maker fee 5x the taker fee? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
06:26:25 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:m.datura.network> btw yea there is a matrix chatroom for haveno, forgot to mention #haveno:monero.social  #haveno-lounge:monero.social
06:26:41 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i think its because makers are more likely to know what they are doing
06:27:07 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> if im a maker and i know theres a 0.5% fee, i can include that in my spread
06:27:15 <m-relay> <j​effro256:monero.social> Nihilist [blog.nihilism.network]: thanks sm for all the helpful inks
06:27:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> if im a taker and want to buy exactly 1 XMR, the fee could leave me with a tiny bit too little
06:28:28 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> not sure how it was on localmonero but it might have been 1% maker 0% taker too
06:28:45 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno is 0.6% total fee, nearly half of LM
06:29:16 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Wasn’t it 1% arbitration, regardless of whether you needed it
06:29:30 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> it was a 1% fee yeah
19:26:51 <B-|> https://juraj.bednar.io/en/blog-en/2023/01/13/monero-and-lightning-privacy-what-do-the-haters-get-wrong/ thoughts
19:27:00 <B-|> skip to "A very practical result of this is when"
19:41:07 <m-relay> <s​trawberry:monero.social> this is why rings are being replaced