00:02:25 Hi all. Anyone use Monero with Trezor on mobile? I love Monetujo, but sadly no Trezor support. 00:03:06 I wasn't aware Trezors could do anything on mobile 00:08:14 Yeah, Trezor experience on mobile has been pretty good for other coins for a while now 00:17:05 I’m adding Ledger support Haveno to the mobile app 00:26:52 Ah nice! I try to stick to open source wallets, so that rules out Ledger, but still great to hear :) 00:45:08 I’ll add Trezor, too it’s only cause I’ve got a ledger wallet handy. 01:23:11 He'll yeah. Thanks! 02:12:39 🚨ALERT! 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I haven’t looked the only Trezor I had I lost. 08:48:19 If someone wants to donate me an old Trezor for testing as I am aware there is an API interface for accessing the phones USB, whether that will work I will have to check Trezor documentation. 08:53:20 That's fantastic. 08:53:37 What does the -reto stand for by the way? 08:54:27 haveno does not have an official network / instance running, there are only third parties running haveno networks, and reto team has been running the first legit network so far 08:55:15 (see what happened to tornadocash devs if you want to know the reasoning) 08:55:25 (see what happened to tornadocash devs if you want to know the reason) 09:00:26 naturally they want to keep their anonymity 09:00:36 naturally they want to keep their anonymity, its safer for them 09:04:07 So haveno.exchange build the core protocol and haveno-reto.com build the first functional client? It was my understanding there is no central server just like with Bisq correct? 09:04:31 yea 09:04:56 if i want i can spin up haveno-nihilism.com tomorrow, and try to compete with reto if they start to scam people 09:05:13 but so far so good, they've been doing well 09:05:50 i think bisq has only one network, so its different yea 09:06:02 i think bisq has only one network, ran by the devs themselves, so its different yea 09:07:05 installing now 09:07:33 ah nice it sees my local node and immediately syncs with that 09:08:46 feel free to check out my tutorial on how to use haveno if ur having a hard time : https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/haveno-client-f2f/index.html 09:19:30 Is it possible to sort the offers? 09:19:43 yea click the columns 09:20:53 Ah yes under Buy and Sell tabs just not under the Market tab 09:28:47 What are the "monero network peers"? I'm connected to my own node locally 09:28:54 you, as a user you are a peer 09:29:19 and there are 11 other peers currently from what im seeing 09:30:11 What is the difference between monero network peers and haveno network peers? I would assume I'm a haveno network peer 09:31:02 where are you seeing that "monero network peer" ? 09:31:06 send a screenshot 09:31:29 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/tbsQBNDaRsBiaGmEOVVEEFfJ 09:38:35 It's all working fine, just wondering why I have monero network peers if I'm syncing to local node. 12:17:08 Hey all, I am having trouble entering my GUI wallet. I get the above error message over and over. I have downloaded the new bridge, restated computer etc. Can anoyone shine any light about how to fix and get in? 12:17:23 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/jJRSEgBYNurmIQOKzOCkVZYn 12:17:30 Hey all, I am having trouble entering my GUI wallet. I get the above error message over and over. I have downloaded the new bridge, restated computer etc. Can anyone shine any light about how to fix and get in? 12:21:12 probably the number of people connected to the monero node i guess 12:21:45 No this is a local pruned node with no incoming 12:25:48 https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/12677/keys-file-is-opened-by-another-wallet-program 12:26:35 https://old.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/1av88m1/monero_gui_opened_by_another_wallet_program/ 12:26:54 #haveno-lounge:monero.social people in here may be able to answer better 12:46:29 crowstick: Have you already tried rebooting your system? 12:46:49 Yes, three times now 12:47:41 Nothing is helping. It's strange, I updated the bridge, downloaded the newest wallet, restarted, etc 13:02:34 You have outgoing peers too 🥳 13:04:21 are you running the node via docker? No docker? 13:05:05 No docker 13:10:29 If monerod is running in an active terminal window, just type `sync_info` into it 13:11:06 If it is running detached, cd to where monerod is and `./monerod sync_info` 13:39:30 geonic: Yes, IRC for the boomers, gen X-ers, and early millenials, Matrix for the mid-to-late millenials and zoomers. 13:40:02 * BlueyHealer is a zoomer that recently discovered IRC and frowns 13:40:21 And gen alpha (which are very beta in my opinion) is probably on Kick. 13:40:54 Why would we get the bloat? At least give us XMPP, it is the same thing but with less RAM, CPU and storage use. 13:41:17 Seems like a general rule, doesn't mean there can't be exceptions. 13:41:29 remiliascarlet, hey, leave them at least something that is not as centralized and surveilled. No one deserves that. 13:42:09 General rule is more like "boomers on Whatsapp, Gen Z on Telegram and everything else is more niche" 13:42:27 I really hope so, but looking at the mainstream, it's either Discord, or LINE/WeChat/WhatsApp/Facebook Messenger. 13:43:37 Well yea, this seems to be generation-independent. 13:44:05 Kick is very weird to directly compare then... 13:44:09 Over here, pretty much everyone uses Discord, LINE, and Twitter. I use none of these, so I'm kind of like a dissident. 13:44:24 Kick was more of a joke. 13:44:50 No idea what gen-α is using. 13:45:15 All I know about them is that they really seem to like skibbidi toilet for some reason. 13:45:41 Yea, Alpha are children so they are not as likely to get into privacy yet unless their parents/siblings teach them. But if they are taught, I think the choice of messaging would be "whatever the older figure taught". 13:46:46 TBH I don't see the "toilet" as a big deal. This is just another variation of random humor, not much different from things like "Heavy is dead". 13:52:19 I didn't mean to say it's stupid, just that I don't get it. 13:53:26 " I really hope so, but looking at the mainstream, it's either Discord, or LINE/WeChat/WhatsApp/Facebook Messenger." << ? More like snapchat 13:53:43 Unlike the prevalent messenger in general, where there is indeed a divide "older = Whatsapp, younger = Telegram" (and even that is skewed apparently - the capitals and other large cities are skewed more towards TG and the province towards WA), when it comes to actually being picky - it seems to be FAR less generation-dependent and more social circle-dependent. 13:54:03 " Over here, pretty much everyone uses Discord, LINE, and Twitter. I use none of these, so I'm kind of like a dissident."<< kids dont use twitter 13:54:34 remiliascarlet, the humour style is one thing that I fully agree on with my generation and embrace it. 13:55:12 ofrnxmr, not like adults aren't leaving it either) 13:56:29 Snapchat? That seems region-dependent. IDK about the West, but here it is very much dead. The people around me are on Instagram, maybe Tiktok, maybe Twitter (although this one seems to try to kill itself off) and more rarely VKontakte 13:56:50 snapchat, instagram 13:56:53 Telegram is also big as social media. 13:57:01 ofrnxmr:monero.social: "kids dont use twitter" Oh yes they do. Here in Japan they do at least. 13:57:07 People might have fb, but nobody uses it 13:57:31 Here FB was almost dead on arrival and now seems to have died completely. 13:58:29 VKontakte took its place initially, but younger people seem to be not as fond of it now. It is just as shit as Facebook but at least it has tons of pirated movies, series and music. 13:58:31 Facebook is apparently still big in Europe somehow. 13:58:51 Here Whatsapp is enormous, and Instagram is pretty big too. 13:59:03 Not Facebook itself. 13:59:29 Here Instagram is big, but only with teenage girls. 13:59:49 But Facebook and WhatsApp is almost unheard of. 14:00:11 What is the dominant messenger? 14:00:19 LINE and Discord. 14:00:44 ah wait it was in the log earlier. I forgot Line is a messenger lol 14:01:17 Just curious: is it as hard to use withoit a mobile phone as Telegram or especially Whatsapp? 14:02:45 All the J-Dissidents are laughing because on one hand the boomers are still like "FUCK KOREA!!", but on the other hand those same boomers entrust their entire personal stuff with LINE, which is made by a Korean company. 14:04:52 BlueyHealer: You can live perfectly fine here without a phone, but lots of companies are going to expect you have an Android or iOS phone with you at all times, so many QR codes won't even display the URL hidden within the QR code, and more businesses are switching over from paper stamp cards or plastic loyalty cards to proprietary smartphone applications, which is pretty annoying. 14:05:30 I don't have loyalty cards anyway, they're spyware - I just ask other people in line. 14:05:50 remiliascarlet, I was asking about Line specifically. 14:07:06 Oh, then in that case, you can live without LINE perfectly fine. 14:08:47 I am staying off Whatsapp perfectly fine but don't yet have the social and organizational skills to leave Telegram. I could, but a lot of important discussions and materials are shared there - you would need a classmate to relay this info to you in advance. 14:09:16 But anyway, you did NOT answer the question I asked but rather a different one, which is a bit frustrating. 14:10:55 How did I not answer your question? 14:12:27 Oh, I see now. No, you need a phone number in order to create a LINE account, and you need a phone in order to log into a Chrome "application". 14:12:29 I was asking specifically about whether Line is possible to use without a smartphone. Yoh answered whether you could live without Line. Notice the disconnect? 14:12:45 wait typed before looking at the screem again lol 14:12:55 Not sure if there's an actual desktop client at all. 14:13:12 Is is sensitive to whether the phone is real or a VM/emulator? 14:13:52 Probably not, since logging in is by email address and password. 14:16:36 But I haven't used LINE for 4 and a half years now, because I got banned from it back in January 2020 for saying that covid is a hoax. 14:18:07 I'd see it as an opportunity to try registering from a VM and a one-time rental, just out of spite. 14:18:50 But yea, I had a classmate get banned from Telegram (because he got hacked and the account was sending spam) and they were fully unresponsive. 15:18:15 #monero-offtopic 19:53:46 Hello, what are good Odysee/YouTube channels about monero? Thanks. 19:55:07 I added tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9050,16 to the config file of my public node. Do I have to manually Tor peers? On my PC I also have tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9050,16 in the config file and the node connects to both clearnet and Tor nodes. 19:55:48 But that doesn't seem to happening on my public node. 19:59:42 public node is running v0.18.3.3, node on my pc is v0.18.1.2 19:59:43 did something change? 20:04:49 Try adding 1 tor peer manually and see if it finds more 20:06:01 If you want inbound tor peers you need to use anonymous-inbound, but I think you should be getting outbound ones already? 20:06:57 That's the thing, not getting any outbound Tor nodes. This was supposed to be automatic in the newer versions as soon as you add tx-proxy to the conf file 20:13:40 No you dont have to add peers 20:14:14 I added seth's onion node as a peer and restarted but still not connecting to onion nodes 20:14:32 Delete it 20:14:44 Seth doesnt run a tor node 20:14:54 Restart tor 20:14:58 https://sethforprivacy.com/about/ 20:15:05 Or check that tor is actually working 20:16:02 curl -x socks5://localhost:9050 example.com 20:16:27 "Seth doesnt run a tor node" repeating 20:16:46 He runs an obion that points to his rpc port 20:16:47 curl: (7) Failed to connect to localhost port 9050 after 5 ms: Couldn't connect to server 20:16:49 I'm running a Tor relay on the same machine. I think that's interfering. 20:17:10 your tor is broken 20:17:21 He doesnt run a tor node 20:17:23 Yeah I meant both the RPC and p2p interface of his public node are available via hidden service 20:17:40 ^ tor is your problem 20:17:55 The p2p interface of his is misconfigured 20:18:08 How so? 20:18:09 (Thats not how you run a tor node) 20:18:22 His p2p port is useless 20:19:02 Monero doesnt support blockchain sync over tor. Thats just an onion pointed st thr wrong port = useless 20:19:18 ^ 20:20:05 "Monero doesnt support blockchain sync over tor" uhh does it not? 20:20:08 `curl -x socks5://localhost:9050 example.com` 20:20:09 if you cant connect to tor with curl, neither can your node 20:20:22 Nope 20:20:30 What's port 18083 do then 20:20:45 Correction: it does, but only over exit nodes and only outgoing connections 20:20:49 Tor is routing traffic just fine, but because it's relaying it's not working with Tor. 20:20:58 Peerlists and transactions 20:21:21 I see 20:21:49 If you cannot connect to the internet using curl on port 9050, monero cannot either. 20:22:25 Yeah I removed tx-proxy since I don't know how to configure torrc to both relay and be used as a local proxy 20:22:31 "Correction: it does, but only over exit nodes and only outgoing connections" << for this, the flag is `--proxy=127.0.0.1:9050` 20:23:13 On my other node I do have incoming connections over Tor using anonymous-inbound 20:23:15 What is that? 20:23:56 Anonymous inbound in counterparty to txproxy. Txproxy relays transactions to anonymous inbound nodes 20:24:21 If you dont have anonymous inbound setup, youll only receive tx from clearnet nodes 20:24:51 and can I hide my monero use when running with --proxy ? 20:25:02 Anonymous-inbound is what seth would have had to setup for his node to accept p2p connections 20:25:08 Yes 20:25:58 --proxy will appear that all traffic is tor traffic 20:25:59 without it, you are still connecting to and broadcasting over clearnet 20:26:16 Without it blockchain sync is 100% clearnet 20:27:09 OK so there is no direct block propagation from hidden service to hidden service, but you can 20:27:11 1) run entirely behind Tor, but will go through exit servers to connect to nodes 20:27:13 2) allow incoming transactions over Tor 20:27:15 3) broadcast your own txs over Tor with tx-proxy 20:27:17 I assumed that tx-proxy meant that it would push txs over Tor, but did not know it would only push then over Tor to hidden services. 20:27:19 the basicswap monero node uses --proxy and --tx-proxy 20:28:22 Rate my config for the node on my PC: 20:28:23 prune-blockchain=1 20:28:25 zmq-pub=tcp://127.0.0.1:18083 20:28:27 in-peers=0 20:28:29 p2p-bind-ip=127.0.0.1 20:28:31 hide-my-port=1 20:28:33 check-updates=disabled 20:28:35 no-igd=1 20:28:37 tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9050,16 20:28:39 what's hide-my-port 20:30:20 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/leUubhDAdTFSnuZhKbJuMOjN 20:30:33 1. Yea with --proxy 20:30:35 2. Incoming transactions, yes, but they will come from outgoing connections¹ 20:30:37 3. yes 20:30:39 ¹ if you have anonymous-inbound setup, you can receive tx over hidden services inbound connections 20:30:41 Correct. Tx-proxy will only relay rpc transactions to hidden service peers 20:31:23 If running behind --proxy there isn't really much of a benefit to use --tx-proxy 20:31:43 Yes there is 20:31:57 More hops I guess. 20:32:07 Onion and i2p relay of transactions is more private than exit nodes 20:32:23 And faster if you use disable_noise 20:32:57 But that's even more private :D 20:32:57 (txproxy also works with i2p) 20:34:48 Onions are more secure as well. Broadcasting directly to clearnet nodes makes it easier to know which node is sending the broadcssts 20:35:06 <0xfffc:monero.social> What is disable_noise? 20:35:11 delegating to broadcast to a random onion peer makes them the broadcasters 20:35:12 Basically what I want is outbound connections only, both over clearnet and Tor and no incoming. 20:35:52 My pubic node config is 20:35:53 public-node=1 20:35:55 rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0 20:35:57 rpc-restricted-bind-port=18089 20:35:59 no-igd=1 20:36:01 no-zmq=1 20:36:03 enable-dns-blocklist=1 20:36:05 So add --proxy, also add tx-proxy if you want extra privacy for your own transactions 20:36:15 Why no incoming if this is a public node? 20:36:19 I don't feel the need to run behind Tor at this point. 20:36:21 Delete public-node 20:36:37 The public one has incoming 20:36:43 That literally broadcasts your ip and port to the entire network 20:36:46 Why? 20:37:07 brodcasts your rpc port* 20:37:41 That's ok, I run the node to be public? 20:37:43 I have 2 nodes 20:37:45 1 private 1 public 20:37:51 Its a convenience for "simple mode" gui users. It adds your node to a list if nodes that can be uses by random people 20:38:08 Yes I want that. I run it on a VPS 20:38:24 crowstick: Have you already tried to recreate the wallet? 20:38:25 Why run 2 nodes though 20:38:53 There's no point, just run your public node on the VPS and connect to it like any other user 20:39:14 Debryune we fixed the problem in #monero-support 20:39:56