02:21:31 New listing! talk to a human: https://xmrbazaar.com/listing/sCcr 05:18:52 After losing some of my intelligence from the recent Bitcoin conference, I decided to come back here with an extensive post that destroys Monero. 05:18:53 Everyone here must read this post to realize what Monero truly is. I even posted it on your forum as a form of respect: 05:18:55 https://monero.town/post/3962553/5470725 05:19:20 Lol 05:20:02 Direct link plz 05:20:10 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/itycodes.org/QqykKPPYtnpZodCSqXlQYYNx 05:20:13 I wanna have a laugh yoo 05:20:17 I wanna have a laugh too 05:22:34 As expected, you are using Tor like every other criminal. You can view my post on another Lemmy instance that doesn't block Tor: 05:22:35 https://lemmy.world/comment/11719513 05:25:17 ROFL 05:25:32 Criminal lol 05:26:20 All I can say is, be gay, do crime 🏳️‍🌈 05:26:26 Crime is cool 05:29:12 You can't refute any points so you resort to juvenile behavior. There is nothing wrong with being gay so stop associating it with this criminal coin that enables drugs, child abuse, ransomware, and more. 05:29:55 Ahah 05:29:57 Blocked. 05:30:10 Sad, I wanted to have more fun 05:30:15 Sad, I wanted to have more fun with the troll 05:31:59 > The prevalence of crime associated with the USD is not a reflection of inherent evil within the currency itself, but rather a reflection of human behavior. 05:32:01 I am dying. Evil currency 🤣 05:32:04 Man we should start banning people from having knives in their kitchen too as it can be used to kill 05:32:18 Don't forget to ban shoelaces 05:32:19 I've already tried speaking with this community before and received dox threats. I'm not going to engage with anyone here and I'm just posting evidence against using Monero for those interested. Thank you. 05:32:32 They can be used to strangle people 05:32:43 Also ban bricks 05:32:51 You can throw them at people 05:33:40 Or while you are at it, mandatorily remove everyone's hands. So yk, they can't beat anyone to death. 05:33:49 TLDR the technology is not to blame, go blame the perpetrating third party that's using it to cause harm. americanscream 05:34:09 I'll also keep my knives in my kitchen I need to cut beef with it 05:34:18 What I find the funniest is the association that crime -> harm 05:36:28 O' the severe harm that trans people are causing to the world, buying HRT illegally because their country bans it 05:36:29 O' the severe harm that gay people cause to countries that just outright forbid their existence 05:36:58 O' the severe harm that trans people are causing to the world, buying HRT illegally because their country bans it 05:36:59 O' the severe harm that gay people cause to countries that just outright make their existence illegal 05:37:29 So yes, as long as governments will oppress people, I will always support technologies that facilitate crime 05:38:06 If anyone wants to debate against my points properly, head over to my Discord https://discord.gg/sEKCFCegp7, and we can have a chat there. I'm also willing to host a podcast episode with someone here that doesn't behave like a violent criminal. 05:38:32 oh... he's a buttcoiner 05:38:33 Because Matrix is a platform for violent criminals, right ? 05:38:49 That's why half the EU is using it for internal communication 05:38:51 🤣 05:39:14 I'm one of the main moderators of r/Buttcoin. 05:39:19 don't forget that even law enforcement also use it 05:40:37 One of your community members preland was kind enough to join the Discord and we had a productive discussion without any threats or nonsense that is constantly posted here. 05:41:02 Just use private messages on matrix instead 05:41:22 You want to deanonymize people on discord do you 05:41:38 Yea I mean that counts under internal communication imo 05:41:39 But ye haha, good point 05:42:03 If you have nothing to hide, Discord shouldn't be an issue. preland who does some developer work for Monero and didn't mind joining. 05:42:13 If you have nothing to hide, Discord shouldn't be an issue. preland who does some developer work for Monero didn't mind joining. 05:43:02 Rofl 05:44:37 If you have nothing to hide, why do you care about people sending you doxxing threads 05:45:04 Personally I hate doxxing to the bone lol 05:45:41 If you have nothing to hide, why do you care about people sending you doxxing threats 05:48:46 And doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's Matrix E2EE) 05:48:59 And preventing doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's Matrix E2EE) 05:49:56 And preventing doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's Matrix E2EE and some related things like room takeover prevention) 05:52:57 And preventing doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's primarily Matrix E2EE and some related things like room takeover prevention) 05:58:40 A don't know 06:07:35 Ah Discord, the thing that tries to dox you by slightest provocation. 06:07:47 Sometimes by number and sometimes even by ID. 06:42:51 That shouldn't be an issue considering most Monero users buy from CEXes that requires KYC. DEXes are rarely used and I did my research on "Haveno" and the rest. None of them have any considerable volume. Another niche this criminal community likes to overhype. 06:44:08 Most, but this is not required. 06:44:48 I would never use a KYC exchange, for example, and a ton of people in the community are the same despite the mundanity of what is bought with said Monero. 06:44:51 Couldn't be me. Now that a DEX exists for a fiat onramp, CEXs have become obselete 06:45:06 * BlueyHealer starts to suspect she's interacting with a troll and wonders whether to disengage 06:45:21 Decentralisation is the way forward anyway, gotta embrace innovation wherever we can 06:45:55 Please read my post on Lemmy that details why Monero will fail. I'm not a troll. 06:47:22 Idealism. No one uses DEXes because of how cumbersome they are. As detailed in my post, even if Monero was not used for criminal purposes, it uses old blockchain architecture. Transactions can't be scaled. DEXes are too complicated and require syncing. Eventually this won't be possible for normal people to do as the blockchain gets larger in size. 06:47:54 Just because someone's opsec doesn't include anonymity doesn't mean everyone should do the same 06:48:35 I literally used haveno dex to buy 500 EUR worth of monero the other day lol, works for me 06:48:39 Worrying about OPSEC is what criminals do. Monero will eventually not be available on any centralized exchange because it enables crime. 06:49:04 We don't need centralised exchanges its fine 06:49:44 This will force normal users to try "Haveno" and these other DEXes. None of them are convenient. Again, this assumes users who are not engaging in crime exist in the first place - only few exist for niche cases that will be regulated soon. I wrote about this in my post. 06:49:59 Can we have a view at your bathroom webcam please? 06:50:33 Yea there are efforts to be made to make haveno normie friendly, but its usable right now 06:50:51 Just read up my tutorial on how to use it, its not complicated 06:50:56 Forcing more people onto things like Haveno is a GOOD thing - the anonymity set grows larger, the usage of this stops being suspicious 06:52:01 americanscream: "Again, this assumes users who are not engaging in crime exist in the first place" 06:52:06 * BlueyHealer slowly stops existing 06:53:11 Yea we should probably make knives illegal too, people can use em for harmful purposes, too many people have those in their kitchens! 06:54:09 Also, what do you have to hide under those pants? Another layer of clothing? What are you even hiding there so thoroughly?? 06:54:51 As written in my post, I don't deny there are a small amount of users who engage in what the Monero community likes to call their "circular economy". These use cases often are buying VPN services, domains, gift cards, or perhaps donations. All of these circumvent money laundering laws and will be regulated by the government eventually because Monero is mostly used for crime. All o 06:54:53 f these niche cases are extremely small and are simply not worth existing. 06:55:40 Yea, I am such a user. And I really depend on that. 06:57:23 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/m.datura.network/pqRrQRFFKmGmXfWXyPRKohII 06:57:55 In short, if we stop giving in to centralisation, the government won't have any say in what individuals do 06:58:44 Its just a matter of changing how people view things, and with the growing privacy concerns, IMO, its just a matter of time 06:59:41 See you're on matrix already, one step out of centralisation. Take the next steps too 07:00:01 In short, if we stop giving in to centralisation, the governments won't have any say in what individuals do 07:03:17 I don't do activism because it is VERY damgerous, but I do my part by using only cash in daily life) And Monero online, even if it initially wasn't by choice, now it is. 07:04:22 I've only used cryptocurrency once, and that was claiming Bitcoin on some faucet over a decade ago. It's probably worth at least $50,000 now, yet I couldn't care less about it. Decentralization arguments are poor excuses to allow crime to continue. 07:04:23 Also, I find it ironic that you say this, since I addressed how centralized Monero really is on Lemmy: 07:04:25 "Monero is centralized, as development and the community-funded initiatives (known as CCS in the Monero community) are vetted by a small group of people who have complete say in what will or will not be allowed to be hard-forked. If Monero ever gets big, it will face the same problem as Bitcoin, where the community can't decide unilaterally on what they want on the network, leadin 07:04:27 g to technical stagnation." 07:04:29 All cryptocurrencies may have decentralized blockchains, but they all have centralized points of failure, rendering this idealism useless. 07:05:07 Decentralization arguments are poor excuses to allow crime to continue. <- same logic as the guys behind Chat Control, lol 07:05:52 Also, how can you even prevent a hard fork? 07:06:05 I don't think the license can do that... 07:09:44 Again, blame the perpetrating third party, not the knife, I still want to cut my steaks. 07:09:45 If monero ever goes south like how bitcoin did, anyone can do a hard fork and keep the innovation going 07:10:13 Besides its not a number go up coin, it's meant to be used as a currency 07:10:28 I don't do crime. I just want my VPS to watch Spy frag movies through) 07:12:13 not to mention the definition of "crime" 07:12:15 for example, in my 3rd world country, they literally changed laws that they used to mark the opposition political parties as "criminals" and confiscated their wealth 07:12:41 Same. 07:13:14 Or talking about homosexuality can be seen as "LGBT propaganda" which can be heavily criminalized. 07:13:50 All the "opposition" is "3rd world countries" are CIA agents/collaborators anyway 07:13:54 must be purged with fire 07:14:00 > the US dollar is used in criminal activities due to its status as a global reserve currency 07:14:01 bruh... in my 3rd world shithole country, they use local currency to buy drugs, hire prostitutes, pay for murders, and whatnot... it's nothing exclusive to the USD 07:16:03 Yea the usd should be made illegal too on second thought, it can be used to do so much crime..... 07:16:12 I'd bet most crime here uses normal fiat institutions as well. Take a "drop" (some poor lad who gets tricked into doing it or just gets his identity stolen), do your business. 07:16:42 If we outlaw the currency, they would just use barter! 07:16:59 (by "drop" I meant the person the account is registered to) 07:25:02 > Let us assume that Monero is not built for crime and used for good intentions. Let us assume cryptocurrency is not a ponzi and Monero will actually be used worldwide. Even in this best case, Monero can’t even serve as a global currency with serious use! It uses old blockchain architecture that only allows one block every 2 minutes with limited transactions that can barely hand 07:25:03 le the transaction throughput of Visa or Paypal. Adding on, Monero is confusing for average people to use. You have to sync the blockchain worth hundreds of gigabytes, which is continuing to grow infinitely, to run your own node. In the future, normal people won’t even be able to run any node as the size of the Monero blockchain grows extremely large. It will rely on data center 07:25:05 s and centralized entities like Bitcoin making the network vulnerable to attacks. Also, unlike Bitcoin or other transparent blockchains, you have to scan the entire history of Monero that can take hours if you have unluckily stored your money in it long ago. Imagine waiting hours at the cashier register waiting for the blockchain to sync so it can register that $5 of Monero that y 07:25:07 ou stored years ago! 07:25:09 this is somewhat of a valid argument 07:25:11 monero can handle the sheer volume of tx like visa/mastercard... we achieved similar feat in testing (monero stressnet) 07:25:13 the blockchain size is a solid point that at some point, it will be too big for regular people to have locally 07:25:15 my counter is, thanks to the advancement of storage technology, this will be a serious issue not anytime soon (10-50 or even 100 years) + there can be improvements made by incorporating compression + pruning 07:25:17 wallet syncing is an unavoidable result of focusing on privacy... there's been already improvements made to speed up syncing... can be improved further 07:26:52 I don't think it needs to be Visa/Mastercard size anyway - it's a parallel payment option. 07:27:57 Also doesn't seem like it's any time soon growing out of fitting onto a 1TB drive, which are cheap. 07:37:32 While decentralisation is Great in its essence by being invulnerable to imposed forces, it won't alone save the Individual from its centralised authorities. If your gouvernement decides that you won't be able to reach the decentralized cloud, you're pretty much fucked. Gouvernements still are stronger than decentralised networks because they have armed forces and existence outside 07:37:33 of the digital web 07:39:21 > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan 07:39:23 ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact 07:39:25 in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night. 07:39:27 what do you regard as "medium of exchange"? 07:39:29 in ancient times, people used stones, snail shells, pieces of metal, etc. as "medium of exchange" 07:39:31 for a "medium of exchange" to be used as a currency, it has to hold its value in the short-mid term (long-term is optional) 07:39:33 monero holds its value short-mid term quite easily 07:39:35 since the btc boom, most people treat crypto as a speculative asset, not currency 07:39:37 monero, being a crypto, also suffers from this 07:39:39 > when they eventually fall, Monero will follow 07:39:41 partially true that when the wider crypto market falls, monero's price will nosedive 07:39:43 > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan 07:39:45 ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact 07:39:47 What calms me down is that even China couldn't lock their internet down - and our censorship organs are a lot less organized and competent. 07:39:47 in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night. 07:39:49 what do you regard as "medium of exchange"? 07:39:51 in ancient times, people used stones, snail shells, pieces of metal, etc. as "medium of exchange" 07:39:53 for a "medium of exchange" to be used as a currency, it has to hold its value in the short-mid term (long-term is optional) 07:39:55 monero holds its value short-mid term quite easily 07:39:57 since the btc boom, most people treat crypto as a speculative asset, not currency 07:39:59 > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan 07:40:01 ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact 07:40:03 in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night. 07:40:05 what do you regard as "medium of exchange"? 07:40:07 > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan 07:40:09 ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact 07:40:11 in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night. 07:40:13 what do you regard as "medium of exchange"? 07:40:15 in ancient times, people used stones, snail shells, pieces of metal, etc. as "medium of exchange" 07:40:17 for a "medium of exchange" to be used as a currency, it has to hold its value in the short-mid term (long-term is optional) 07:40:19 monero holds its value short-mid term quite easily 07:40:21 since the btc boom, most people treat crypto as a speculative asset, not currency 07:40:23 monero, being a crypto, also suffers from this 07:40:25 > when they eventually fall, Monero will follow 07:48:41 > China couldn't lock their internet down 07:48:43 BlueHealer, mind giving me your definition of locking down because chinese are indeed unable to access the outer world and passing through the GFW is now more difficult than it ever has been. There is always the V2Ray framework for pluggable encrypted proxy protocol but its hard to setup and you must know the nodes in advance. Shadowsocks is long dead now 07:52:36 Yea, there are methods working even there. 07:52:57 I am thinking about setting up XRay (which does have this protocol along with some others). 07:55:52 And China is an extreme. Here basic Wireguard works, and a lot of normies evade blocks. 07:59:30 Evasion is a thing, confidentiality is another 07:59:39 Wireguard is fingerprintable fwiw 07:59:58 s/confidentiality/privacy 08:00:23 <321bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/shadowsocks/shadowsocks-rust/releases/tag/v1.20.3 08:00:25 <321bob321:monero.social> got updated 2 weeks ago 08:01:35 my bad. I'm using shadowsocks, what I meant by dead is that it is detected by GFW 08:01:50 pretty quickly 08:02:27 Yea, Wireguard is - I know. 08:02:45 It does fail on cellular connection even. 08:04:11 I wonder if Cloak works with Wireguard - I know it works with OpenVPN but idk about this one. Still, want to try this before XRay, hoping for a better speed. 08:06:28 Never heard of it 08:06:30 looks interesting 08:08:09 Weird how a lot of networking tool are written in Go these days 08:09:23 Censorship evasion is a real effort for Chinese users, the gfw is no joke 08:10:43 <321bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/net4people/bbs/issues/22 08:11:03 Cloak is an obfuscation tool for something existing. 08:11:30 From what I can see, the point now for the major tools is to make it look like normal https traffic. 08:11:41 Also, maybe someone here has experience setting up XRay? 08:12:14 Brought to you by Ylva Yohansson 08:13:52 While we are at it ban currency period, it makes crime too convenient, let's go back to exchanging items 08:14:24 While we are at it ban humans period. it makes crime too convenient, let's go back to monkeys 08:14:26 nooo, what if someone can order drugs in exchange for his bags of flour? 08:15:04 <321bob321:monero.social> ban flour 08:15:07 <321bob321:monero.social> its messy 08:16:44 While we are at it just ban life. No life, no crime :) 08:20:55 better Go fast 08:23:54 Go is a strange language 09:16:55 I actually like Go for web backend development. 09:17:10 But for general software or games, I prefer C. 09:20:03 You write games in C? *Why" 09:20:05 You write games in C? *Why* 09:35:15 The game I play is written in C++, lol. 10:13:34 Because C++ is annoying, even if it means I have fewer choice in avaiable libraries. 10:14:50 All games for Nintendo 64, Gameboy Advance, and Nintendo DS are written in C, and that's the graphics style I'm aiming for, so it fits when it comes to keeping stuff as authentic as possible.. 10:16:32 Famicom, Super Famicom, and Gameboy are all Assembly. Gamecube and newer for consoles, and Nintendo 3DS and newer for handhelds are all or mostly C++. 10:17:30 Not really sure for the Sony, Microsoft, and SEGA consoles and handhelds, but it's safe to assume that all the NEC consoles are pretty much all Assembly. 10:19:05 "But Wii, Wii U, New 3DS, and Switch have Unity!" Yes, but C# is just used as a scripting language. Unity will just compile it all back into C++ before spitting out a binary. 10:21:28 Love writing games in C 10:21:39 allegro5 10:27:32 I thought N64 was written in ASM? 10:28:17 You can just write C++ as C with some optional nicities 10:28:42 No, N64 games are in C. 10:29:12 Yes, you can write C++ as C, but you'll still have 1 fundamental problem: compile times. 10:29:32 Unless you refrain from using any features newer than C++99 that is. 10:30:02 It's not that bad if you have incremental builds and a fast PC 10:31:02 As a primarily C programmer my C++ looks like C with classes and vectors lol 10:35:49 I tried to make a game in C++17 before, and compile times are a disaster. I lowered to C++11 and rewrote certain C++17 features from scratch, compile times went faster, then I thought fuck it, I can do all of that in just C99, and got compile times down by a massive amount. 10:36:20 Even though it did mean I had to find an alternative math library, since GLM is C++ only. 10:40:32 Same. I had a difference in speed when i switched my state machine in C++ from using virtual functions to function pointers (i don't understand why) 10:42:49 <0xfffc:monero.social> C24 is very clean language. 10:43:14 <0xfffc:monero.social> Who knew. At the end C will be the one replacing C++ 10:44:23 Because C is like Go in that barely anything changes. C++ is more like Rust in that each new version is a dramatic change. 10:45:05 Plus C++ has the policy of never removing anything to maintain backwards compatibility, so the newer the version of C++ you use, the more bloated it'll be. 10:48:48 Same if you compare Windows to OpenBSD. Microsoft never removes old code to maintain backwards compatibility, whereas the OpenBSD developers always remove old code to keep the codebase clean and secure. 10:49:42 So with every new Windows version, the file size and system requirements go up, but with every new OpenBSD version, the file size and system requirements go down. 10:51:31 Linux does remove code occasionally, but only if it doesn't break userland, because the Linux kernel has the "never break userland" policy, and because of that they actively maintain known bugs and exploits. Literally. 10:52:46