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07:21:27 <m-relay> <m​cneb10:envs.net> is there a place i can find a list of regional/city based monero rooms?
09:23:09 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> You want to make groups with 1-2 users each ?
09:48:10 <fluffypony> I'd hazar that there are a lot of Monero users who would prefer to keep their region / city private 🙃
09:53:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I’m in monero.town 😬
09:54:55 <BlueyHealer> fluffypony, hoe else would you buy in cash then?
09:55:37 <fluffypony> BlueyHealer: Paxful etc. - unless you're reinventing #bitcoin-otc with a WoT there is massive risk in doing it over IRC
09:56:02 <BlueyHealer> What's Paxful?
09:56:45 <BlueyHealer> Ah, you mean about making contact in e2e messages instead?
09:58:36 <fluffypony> no
09:59:08 <fluffypony> nothing to do with e2ee
09:59:12 <fluffypony> paxful.com
09:59:20 <BlueyHealer> Looking through it now and seems like Paxful is KYC. NO.
09:59:23 <fluffypony> https://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php
10:00:01 <fluffypony> BlueyHealer: be logical - your counterparty is either going to steal from you, or is an LEA agent
10:00:21 <BlueyHealer> If you're going to KYC anyway, could buy it with a bank card, or hell, on a centralized exchange.
10:00:39 <fluffypony> the best thing to do is acquire something more ordinary (eg. Bitcoin) through KYC-free sources (https://kycnot.me)
10:00:47 <fluffypony> and then atomic swap / KYC-free swap to Monero
10:01:01 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/489 
10:01:02 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Is not KYC!
10:01:25 <BlueyHealer> IDK, while BTC is an option, I woud not like it because the fees would eat into small purchases.
10:01:43 <BlueyHealer> kewbit, yea)
10:01:45 <fluffypony> sure then buy stablecoins
10:02:04 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Holy throw back, I though that site died years ago
10:02:24 <BlueyHealer> fluffypony, they have negligeable fees? Then yea, that indeed looks normal too.
10:02:47 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> I downloaded it again recently just to see how it was layed out for some inspiration for the Haveno app lol
10:03:06 <fluffypony> BlueyHealer: yeah - USDT on Tron has nearly non-existent fees
10:03:11 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> But yeah it is dead and mostly scammers on there now
10:03:17 <BlueyHealer> I do think there is place for cash purchases tbh. I personally buy for cash from a person I knew for a long time, but that was luck, I know.
10:03:32 <fluffypony> I agree that there's a place, but you NEED a reputation system
10:04:17 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Tree of trust, invite only, then you can spot the weak links and see patterns of spam / scams
10:04:31 <BlueyHealer> fluffypony, yea, like on Localmonero. And now it's clear what your point is.
10:04:47 <fluffypony> yep
10:05:07 <BlueyHealer> Also, about Haveno... I heard you need a small amount of Monero beforehand to trade there, like on Bisq?
10:05:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Staking ?
10:05:36 <BlueyHealer> fluffypony, I was just thrown off by you linking a KYC site as an example... What is even the point of such a site?
10:06:15 <fluffypony> BlueyHealer: not to put too fine a point on it, but KYC is compliance theatre
10:06:30 <fluffypony> https://bravenewcoin.com/insights/kucoin-huobi-kyc
10:06:35 <fluffypony> https://fullycrypto.com/exchange-kyc-fooled-by-borat-taylor-swift-nightmare
10:07:04 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes, you provide a reserve for security and then you can trade
10:07:51 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> And Haveno doesn’t use Dao token
10:08:01 <hv-bridge> <qeo18> jel;lp
10:08:37 <BlueyHealer> kewbit, I just wonder how Haveno or Bisq propose to deal with it. It is not an issue for me, as someone who does have the sum. But I wonder if they have plans for something just for those small trades?..
10:08:46 <BlueyHealer> Dao token? Wat?
10:12:49 <hv-bridge> <qeo18> hmm
10:13:27 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> I don’t know for sure, definitely needs more thought but having a kind of system where you have a trust network like an ever expanding tree, and you only invite to the network who you trust or you risk penalising your own reputation based on people that you invite scamming or spamming the network. You wouldn’t be able to join without an invite or you’d have to stake a certai<clipped message>
10:13:28 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> n amount that could be burned if certain conditions were met. It’s a very general idea but quite complex to implement, though I have thought about it a lot.
10:14:14 <BlueyHealer> kewbit, IIRC Riseup functions like this. It led to a lot of false bans.
10:17:34 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Even if it were just a way of visualising the network for manual intervention at the seednodes on major events, I’m sure it would offer value in some way, but I agree there are drawbacks, I can’t think of anything else for a completely anonymous network, literally everything, including the real number of arbitrators can be spoofed.
12:09:19 <Guest58> hi, what is the best way to acquire XMR from fiat with privacy?
12:12:18 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> https://blog.nowhere.moe/opsec/haveno-client-f2f/index.html
12:12:43 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> on a DEX that can accept monero for fiat directly, like haveno
16:34:36 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/oHAaPgYgkwxaKbFCtGdnEkii
16:34:38 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/oBiqmaJlaIhzEcSnwPGQUHIj
16:34:46 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/cODsrhZycdVnOjqEhXNZFTwn
16:35:04 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/SdVeqGqoDRSYMslnHaqdnjfB
16:36:15 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/tcwGYTmPZPUwEOAPapOtteUG
16:36:40 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/oQkViDFfSJgwjunpGtcXbixq
16:36:42 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/RoeCsIdWPrVWjjbKjOxxcqNE
16:36:51 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/PkXHthwyvRKybaZcKKZVAYHY
16:37:05 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/RzvzDTyAHhVtIGGRPgKJMGCS
16:38:47 <m-relay> <p​reland:monero.social> plowsof idk what the above is but it probably isn’t good
16:39:17 <plowsof> thanks, classic nope dot chat behaviour 
16:40:50 <m-relay> <r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> finally saw the so called troll/spammer for the first time lol
16:40:53 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> IRC users, dont click those links. no idea what images they are
16:41:13 <m-relay> <r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> lets fund another 10 community managers
16:41:32 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Generic nazi things
16:42:52 <m-relay> <r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> incoming official report on how monero community is filled with nazi's and thats why they should criminalize it lol
16:43:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> They won't ban something they need
17:44:07 <Mochi101> Running check_reserve_proof and getting the following output means that there is 0 XMR left in the wallet, correct?
17:44:08 <Mochi101> Output: Good signature -- total: 7001.000000000000, spent: 7001.000000000000, unspent: 0.000000000000
17:51:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Did you use "all" param when creating the reserve proof?
17:52:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://31.md.monerodevs.org/interacting/dev-guides/wallet-rpc/?h=reserve#get_reserve_proof
18:25:52 <m-relay> <m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> blacksdontmatter1 has joined
18:25:56 <m-relay> <m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> lmao
18:32:29 <Mochi101> o​frnxmr: it's not my proof... damn.. I wish
18:32:50 <Mochi101> I assume it defaulted to all though.
20:28:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> What?
20:28:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> -dex doesnt have a network
20:28:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Reto is the only one you can trade on
20:32:48 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yea ^
20:42:58 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/iLjorKhMonWyLOsQsSxGPJOa
20:45:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what
20:45:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nazi flag
20:46:03 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> on my privacy app
20:46:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> again?
20:46:08 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> lionel nassi
20:46:21 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> it's lionel nassi
20:46:45 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> it's a meme
20:46:59 <plowsof> hello nope dot chat 
20:47:23 <m-relay> <b​lacksdontmatter1:nope.chat> hello
20:47:50 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Nien
20:48:18 <plowsof> i did not see you coming back and spamming, but can you stop please 
20:54:20 <m-relay> <l​ionelnassi:nope.chat> why did you ban me?
20:54:47 <m-relay> <l​ionelnassi:nope.chat> i sent a lionel nassi meme and you banned me
20:55:02 <plowsof> im an evil person sorry 
20:55:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Why dox yourself
20:55:45 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Now thats ban evasion lol
20:56:44 <m-relay> <l​ionelnassi:nope.chat> yes