01:52:15 21:52 *** 481 Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator 01:52:43 hello 02:04:28 hello 02:17:33 hello 02:24:30 hello 02:28:43 hello 02:28:56 Can I help you with anything Guest7006 ? 02:45:33 oh hey, just now saw that 02:46:09 Yes, I'm having major performance issues with monerod on OpenBSD 02:48:01 The short of it is, once the daemon finishes synchronizing, all CPU is completely hogged which slows down the entire system to a crawl. This is the same result on both an AMD A10 and Athlon II system 02:48:49 Compiled from source, release v0.18.3.4 03:21:15 No idea. 03:21:19 Sorry 03:21:39 Are you syncing a wallet at the time? 03:22:36 No, just the blockchain. 04:33:20 you could try this to limit resource usage for the monerod process: https://monero.stackexchange.com/a/10156 04:33:53 replacing the apt install with installing openbsd's cgroup tools ofc 04:34:33 ...openbsd has cgroups right? 04:36:13 well if not then this should work: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/security/#security-resourcelimits 04:41:14 This git issue seems to be describing the same issue: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/7027 04:42:10 OpenBSD has login classes which set limits for open files, user shells, etc 04:42:37 I tried running the daemon as root instead of the unpriveleged _monerod user, but same results 04:43:06 I'll see about setting a higher maxfiles limit 04:43:44 But if this issue is stemming from kernel locking, I'm not sure what to do about that 06:17:25 unfortunate 14:56:51 hello 14:56:52 i'm new here 14:56:54 is this the right place to ask questions about monero? 14:57:27 welcome 15:23:16 hello thank you 15:23:18 happy to be here 15:23:34 i'm looking for a place to just ask questions about cryptocurrency, specifically monero 15:23:56 but i'm NOT looking for a place to be shilled shitcoins by a bot 15:24:04 so have i come to the right place? 15:24:55 Ask your question instead of running around the bush 15:25:49 i haven't thought of one yet 15:26:24 i just want to know if people here are actual human beings interested in monero or just a bunch of robo shills trying to get me to buy there fuck-the-clown-malt-liqour-coin 15:27:07 Don’t buy monero slogan is real 15:28:03 idk what this means? 15:28:10 slogan? 15:28:33 From what I’ve seen, the vast majority of people here are basically the opposite of the typical cryptobro stereotype, for quite a few reasons 15:28:50 tryptocal cryptobro stereotype? 15:28:55 Basically it’s the opposite of the “hodl” culture that Bitcoin has 15:28:56 typical? 15:29:25 hodl culture? 15:29:32 Ie the “price always go up” mentality, plus the more culty stuff that comes with it 15:29:48 ima_b78a439.jpeg 15:30:17 You need to update your software 15:30:19 i'm not following 15:30:20 is this some picture a guy made in his basement? 15:30:26 I got into Monero because after the sanctions, it became the most straightforward way to pay for my VPS and domain without being restricted to more easily-censorable locally-based companies) 15:30:33 i feel like there is a whole meme subculture that i have yet to learn 15:30:36 Obviously monero users stay in basements 15:30:40 And bunkers 15:30:44 santions? 15:30:49 sanctions? 15:30:54 You’ll get used to it 15:31:09 Troll 15:31:26 Yea, basically my card wouldn't work for paying for said VPS. But with Monero I can, and thus grateful to this technology. 15:31:49 yea it's possible i'm a troll, or it's possible that monero has a VERY deep culture i don't know about 15:32:05 i feel like there is a lot of history i'm not aware of 15:32:41 Go read the bitcointalk forum thread of monero for entire history 15:32:48 I am not that much into its cunture either. But it is indeed much closer to the culture of people obsessed with privacy, anonymity and independence rather than the cryptobro culture. 15:32:52 wut? 15:33:07 Yah dyor 15:33:16 So kinda Monero now is what Bitcoin was supposed to be when it was conceived. 15:33:24 > bitcointalk forum thread of monero 15:33:24 idk what this is 15:33:27 is this a forum thread? 15:33:32 i have heard that alot 15:33:40 maybe i should explain that i have NO clue about any of this 15:33:50 How old are you like 5? 15:33:54 i don't even fully understand what cryptocurrency is or why it exists 15:34:03 when i first heard of it, i thought it was a scam 15:34:22 but the more i ask about it, the complex it seems to be 15:34:32 33 15:34:39 You need to back to school 15:34:44 No, it is legitimately a tool accepted in some places (although the acceptance could be better). 15:34:56 You need to go back to school 15:34:58 i am in skewl 15:35:01 wut is? 15:35:03 crypto? 15:35:06 or monero? 15:35:08 or both? 15:35:11 dave.jp, I don't think being rude to people in this context is good. 15:35:14 or only some crypto but not monero? 15:35:23 Digital cash 15:35:36 what is digital cash? 15:35:46 m-relay | or both? <- Crypto in general can be a tool, but there are coins that have no utility other than speculation indeed. 15:36:36 Monero is notable because it's one of the major cruptocurrencies that is accepted quite a lot, and overall is far more often used as a tool than a lot of other coins. 15:39:31 howtomonero, digital cash - as in the currency that does not depend on some central authority like a bank, and thus MUCH harder to control. Something that you "own" and are responsible for only by yourself. Also Monero is unique in that its goal was to make transactions untraceable - still reading on how exactly this is done, and would rather not consider it bulletproof (like, a flaw can be found 15:39:33 later) - but for my low threat model, it is definitely sufficiently anonymous. 15:41:00 Like, I got into it because the banks in other countries limited my ability to use my card in them, but Monero was immune to such restrictions. 16:01:54 > there are coins that have no utility other than speculation indeed. 16:03:12 i have heard that people who use monero are all real hardcore rule followers 16:03:14 we monero users love laws 16:03:16 and rules 16:03:18 and tyranny 16:03:20 and government 16:03:22 Basically I’m just going to give a (rather rough and probably somewhat incorrect) explanation of what Monero is. 16:03:24 Monero is a currency that is controlled by “nodes”, or individual computers— 16:03:26 interesting, so your saying that i am demonstrating behavior that is ban worthy? 16:03:28 what ever my behavior is, please let me know and i will attempt to correct my behavior 16:03:30 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/pYKxsthaaHiawvkNNkAhQDvD 16:03:32 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/piTcBEebrQfZvAJndkEDOKuE 16:03:34 i never said i want to use monero for criminal activities 16:03:36 i never encouraged criminal activities 16:03:38 Hey, if you are being genuine then I apologize, but we get enough trolls and bad people here that it’s hard for us to weed people out 16:03:40 If you want to learn more about Monero, I suggest you start here: https://www.getmonero.org/resources/about/ 16:03:42 i was just confirming that monero is the first last and only cryptocurrency used on the darkweb for drug purposes and that i'm not going to be doing that 16:03:44 no sir not me 16:03:46 no drugs 16:03:48 or guns 16:03:50 or hookers 16:03:52 not for me 16:03:54 be like "so are you guys gonna buy some children to fuck with your untracable monopoly money"? 16:03:56 or "are you pedophille libertarians going to rape children with your fake monero money"? 16:03:58 cause that's the bullshit i would say if i was a troll 16:04:00 not support the cause 16:04:02 or actively try to learn about it 16:04:04 Go read mastering monero 16:04:06 > Adveritse something stupid and clearly wrong 16:04:20 banmonero.com 16:04:56 why did banks and other countries limit your card? 16:05:42 cool thanks 16:12:11 I use it for very shady purpose of renting a server I watch Youtube through. 16:12:26 you TERRORIST 16:12:32 EVIL 16:12:47 no rights for you 16:13:14 Indeed. Don't tell anyone that I like my share of crisp 1080p gaming streams. 16:14:03 howtomonero, political sanctions. I did nothing to warrant it, it's just that whole country has SWIFT disabled. 16:16:27 russia? 16:17:06 So this is just a proof that it can be useful on clearnet for legit things as well. And even if my card did work, Monero would have its place - as a way of paying for something without it tying back to you. 16:17:16 howtomonero, yea. 16:17:42 absolutely 16:17:59 I use it to bribe politicians 16:18:16 naughty 16:18:48 ok so wait 16:18:49 m-relay: what is your use case again? 16:19:19 your in russia and want to use a private pay to play vpn to watch lets plays? 16:19:20 nice* 16:19:48 your in russia and want to use monero to pay a private pay to play vpn to use watch lets plays? 16:19:55 am i understanding that right? 16:20:14 No. I send money to russia. I am not in russia, i am evading sanctions 16:20:37 is this room some kind of a relay? 16:20:43 for irc or something? 16:22:24 No. Its a relay for people who live in NK 16:23:20 I thought you wanted to know about monero. There is a room for topics that arent monero, Monero Offtopic 16:24:31 howtomonero, well, a VPS, not a VPN service. But overall yes. 16:24:58 what is a vps? 16:25:00 This is bridged between IRC and Matrix. 16:28:23 ok 16:29:00 its like a vpn but with an s instead of n 16:29:41 Yea, where you can set up things besides the VPN, like an IRC bouncer or a seedbox. 17:35:35 > **plowsof** kicked **howtomonero** low effort 17:35:36 literally 1984 17:36:40 We're winning on coincards again :D 17:36:40 https://x.com/CoinCards/status/1830651907150410004 17:37:18 Was it them who said they'd change the slogan if monero is #1 for some number of months? or was that shopinbit? 18:10:32 If I had a piconero for every time a person named howtomonero with a pfp of Jerome Powell with the Monero logo on his eyes joined the Monero chat, claimed to know nothing about monero or cryptocurrency or finance or basically anything at all 18:10:32 I’d have one piconero, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened at all 18:13:52 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/nAlYIEXtTzCyRwamgttlNXVw 18:14:47 Lol 18:40:16 strawberry: I think it was Shopinbit 18:40:35 I checked and yes it was 18:44:31 Why "winning again". We didn't win July, I think I saw in the tweets. Did we win an earlier month? 18:46:05 Yes, in June 18:46:48 Ah, ok 20:59:52 The authority supervising the monero transactions is the decentralised consensus. Yet I still see a flaw in this : can I trust this authority? More than 51% of the monero network is biased in that they are partial towards the monero project. 20:59:52 It means that, if someone was to be, for wathever the reason, considered an adversary of the monero project, It could sadly happend, that invalid transactions harming him would be accepted. 21:02:13 while, yes, they could be biased, a 51% attack would be *extremely* impractical to perform at this scale. 21:02:42 you'd need to ship modified binaries to, well, 51% of all nodes 21:02:42 that's well over 700 machines you'd need to push to 21:02:59 you'd need to ship modified binaries to, well, 51% of all nodes; that's well over 700 machines you'd need to push to 21:03:21 it's *possible*, but not *practical* 21:04:49 and there's significantly more effective methods for fighting the opposition than trying to organize a malicious update to nearly a thousand machines 21:14:52 A similar attack already happened when the wallet for development was stolen and drained. No 51% attack occurred, and the closest thing to an exploit with Monero was that the increased scrutiny towards the output allowed it to be traced….but not to an extent that would be considered useful. 21:14:52 That being said, the entire amount stolen (over 2000 XMR) was returned (or a whale donated the amount) rather quickly, so had the incident not have been resolved, I’m not sure what would’ve happened 21:15:04 Most likely *not* a 51% attack though 21:15:52 One thing that I did hear mentioned as a flaw was that Monero binaries are only signed by a single entity—is that true? 21:17:13 that is not true, there's several gpg keys - all of which are viewable [here](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/utils/gpg_keys) 21:17:41 that's not entirely true, there's several gpg keys - all of which are viewable [here](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/utils/gpg_keys) 21:18:15 monero binaries are signed by 0, the hashes are signed 21:18:18 Are the signers all members of Monero core? 21:18:34 yeah, this 21:18:39 hashes can be viewed [here](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt) 21:18:41 the hashes come from the gitian build process 21:18:50 reproducible. you can build and confirm them yourself 21:19:18 as do many https://github.com/monero-project/gitian.sigs 21:19:37 will be replaced by guix soon though 💪 21:20:02 so we dont trust 1 or 2 members of core to tell us the hashes 21:20:11 they trust the people who submit hashes 21:20:41 Do all of the signers listed have to sign? Asking because there are some pretty old names in there 21:21:09 the requirement of signing hashes (by 2 members of core, bF and Luigi) enabled the auto updater in the gui 21:21:45 this is the file with the requirement of 2 signers https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2366 21:22:15 sorry, not that particular file* 21:22:39 this https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt and the above from luigi 21:23:12 datahoarder is m-relay_ our new overlord? 21:42:48 probably a reconnect had it take that nick 21:43:00 I might cycle it tomorrow given it’s working 21:50:27 thanks as always 👍