07:46:44 The government can do that in a heartbeat :) 07:47:23 sure they could, they could also easily nuke the whole planet if they wanted to 07:48:21 It would probably only cost me about 70-80k a year to destroy Monero then 07:49:11 Maybe this is a queue for the community to start hosting more of their own nodes :D 07:49:19 Maybe this is a que for the community to start hosting more of their own nodes :D 07:49:29 Maybe this is a cue for the community to start hosting more of their own nodes :D 07:49:39 Just like with Tor. As soon as it is safer and I am less anxious, I will do that. 07:50:19 If everyone thought like that Monero wouldn’t exist 07:50:55 I know. 07:51:50 It’s all risky! You thinking trying is risky wait till you get the bill for not trying! 07:52:10 I'm already hosting two full nodes 07:52:51 I have a stagenet and mainnet running 07:54:41 I don't really have any reason to run stagenet 07:54:47 NICE 07:54:56 Me do 10:34:22 btw interesting topic that was brought up in the skeptic sunday on monerotown : https://monero.town/post/4174276 10:34:51 does monero as a project have a disaster plan protecting against a potential tornadocash treatment ? 10:34:59 does monero as a project have a disaster recovery plan protecting against a potential tornadocash treatment ? 10:35:09 the majority of core is anon 10:35:41 nobody here is getting a cut from north korea hacking money 10:36:33 there is a massive difference between tornado/samourai and monero, even if it doesnt look like it at first glance 10:37:15 does monero as a project have a disaster recovery plan protecting against a potential tornadocash-style treatment ? 10:37:24 you can 100% prove tornado devs benefited from north korea hacking 10:37:48 you can 100% prove people mixed hacked bitcoin through whirlpool 10:38:33 cant really do that for monero 10:38:42 They could still be treated like darknet admins - considered wanted and kept under close watch until they inevitably make a mistake... 10:39:06 darknet admins 100% provably benefit from drug trade... 10:39:31 how does core benefit from anything potentially illegal going on in monero? 10:39:33 they dont 10:40:34 being able to 100% prove something is going on + someone benefiting from it makes all the difference 10:41:34 yea but leaving all the legality aside, don't want governments to go after the monero devs that didn't protect their anonymity, in an attempt to shut down the project 10:41:41 yea but leaving all the legality aside, don't want governments to go after the monero devs that didn't protect their anonymity, in an attempt to shut down or stop the project 10:42:09 governments arent retarded 10:42:22 in case if the github repos pertaining to monero are taken down, would be neat to know who's in charge of spinning up the new home for monero repositories 10:42:39 we have a backup already 10:42:43 on gitlab 10:43:02 also, all the devs have local versions of the repo 10:43:05 oh i wasnt aware of that, my bad 10:43:07 git is decentralized by nature 10:44:44 isn't it in government's best interest to allow monero development in the public so that they can also keep a close eye on how the development is going? 10:46:44 i don't think it makes a difference, but it is in their interest to know who the developers are, so they can paint targets on their back 10:47:02 at the developers' detriment. which is why i encourage them to remain anonymous throughout their work 10:47:40 at the developers' detriment. which is why i encourage the monero devs to remain anonymous throughout their work 10:48:12 but yea the fact that it's an open source git project makes it easy to spin up another repo in cae if the main one is taken down 10:48:38 but yea the fact that it's an open source git project makes it easy to move the repos elsewhere in case if the main one is taken down 10:49:38 Don’t dox yourself as a dev. 10:49:40 As a user, If you’re in a jurisdiction that bans monero, don’t publicly trade it in a way that leaks your identity. And it’s better you move out of that jurisdiction and cut ties to that government anyway. 10:52:48 It’s harder for them to legislate a ban of monero but there are countless times rulings have contradicted previous rulings and established laws in the US and virtually all national courts. 10:52:48 They don’t have to make sense to succeed in banning it 10:53:53 Why does someone have to prove the devs benefitted? Just that they enabled the behavior. "If there is a person, there's an article". 10:55:09 Anyway, even in case of anonymity - they have caught such people too. Nobody can keep perfect OPSEC, especially for a long time. 10:55:11 English speaker will not get that reference 10:55:29 I thought that was a commonly known phrase... 10:56:51 But most will get that reference now if you mention Pavel Durov as an example :D 10:59:36 no bluey 10:59:59 we have more or less free speech laws in the west 11:00:22 the monero devs cant know if a transaction is malicious or not and either way they couldnt stop it 11:01:19 I mean, they could still find a way. 11:01:43 cope /s 11:01:57 wdym cope? I do have concerns. 11:02:00 it is so much easier to attack CEXs and make access hard 11:02:24 than to go against free speech laws and ban monero outright 11:02:38 They absolutely can 11:02:42 Yea, true. But still there is always a way it can escalate, what we were talking about earlier. Relieved to know there are multiple backups of the git repo. 11:02:57 bluey at that point you are no longer thinking logically. if we just ignore the laws, sure the government could send out the cops to execute you right now 11:03:15 I directed that toward monerobull. Saying we don’t actually have free speech, but then added /s because I get his point that it’s atleast relatively better than places that explicitly don’t have free speech 11:03:41 I am thinking logically - from precedent. Because even the EU attacked something as basic as encrypted chats, even if this is unenforceable. 11:03:45 thats why i said "we have more or less free speech" :P 11:04:12 That’s why I put /s 11:04:23 bluey but the eu was still being logical 11:04:49 the drafts didnt ban encryption itself 11:05:02 Yea, true. 11:05:08 they were more like a "mainstream companies will have to side-step it" 11:05:15 That would not even be enforceable lol 11:05:38 pretty sure it didnt even apply to something small like some guys encrypted chat app on github 11:06:09 it is possible to protect your opsec if you do it correctly (correct technology implemented, and correct behavior) but yea maintaining anonymity is a difficult task for sure 11:06:29 well, stricter than that of maintaining privacy i mean 11:06:34 Yes, true. I meant it as one of the examples that EVEN in the civilized West, seems like they can ignore common sense and attack freedom. 11:06:46 I mean it is enforceable. Just selectively enforceable. They make a bunch of laws they never charge people with until their out of options because their other charges failed in court 11:07:13 when in doubt, charge em with tax fraud 11:07:18 nihilist, true! But that changes when you are on the radar, like what I am afraid about the devs. 11:07:26 Never fails 11:07:32 monerobull, yeah, that too. 11:07:36 or attempted money laundry, that's a new age classic 12:28:55 hey guys! What do you think about XMR poker tournament with $XMR prizes? Would it be interesting for you? 12:57:59 that'd be neat, alhtough I don't do gambling myself 12:58:02 that'd be neat, although I don't do gambling myself 13:05:04 On what playform? 13:06:50 you could ask monerotopia if they want to stream / host it, they have done soccer games before 13:10:30 lol that could be nice too 13:10:41 professional poker event, but payments are i n monero only 13:10:53 professional poker event, but payments are in monero only 13:11:25 did somebody say something? 13:17:49 pokernow club 13:20:04 Link? 13:23:06 probably pokernow.club lol 13:24:02 exactly 14:05:00 https://xcancel.com/MoneroRequest/status/1830654320938992046#m 14:05:12 Snowden says he uses Monero 14:17:42 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/GUdFdNVTuGytcbGsqdiHFfzY 14:33:57 this fucker is back 14:33:58 mods, please ban + remove 14:43:16 mods! attack lightning bolt! 14:44:32 Oh oh, another instance of monerobull should have banhammer 14:47:03 What's the problem with that meme? I don't get it. 14:47:16 damn why do u hate the niggers 14:48:17 It's not so much that I hate niggers, it's that I support free speech. 14:48:20 remiliascarlet, you're free to have your own (arguably questionable) opinions, but n*zi symbol is prohibited by libera chat rules 14:49:53 plowsof help 14:51:02 dont ban me 14:53:56 I think it's a bit like 2A. Unless you excercise it, is it really in effect ? Therefore to have free speech, you have to be subject to nazi symbolism once in a while. So I vote on leaving him alone 14:54:06 I think it's a bit like 2A. Unless you excercise it, is it really in effect ? Therefore to have free speech, you have to be subject to nazi symbolism once in a while. So I vote on leaving him alone. For as much as that counts* 14:55:40 i vote on cutting the bs and ban f*cker that permit themselves to say words like n*ggers or posting n*zi meme like its a f*cking telegram channel. get your free speech with your friends and family 14:57:03 why are you using matrix and abiding by laws of censorship platforms ? 14:57:46 Snowden says he uses Monero <<>> are you sure he is saying that? bet you could put any words in a video clip 14:58:09 laws of censorship platforms? = not being an as***le . That's some inspiring standard indeed 14:58:26 did I call you a nigger ? 14:58:41 how am I being an asshole 14:59:14 wait... is pewdiepie your another acc? 14:59:30 no I just stumbled upon this 14:59:45 yeah i dont think morepheus is behind pewdiepie 15:00:09 he has been there for a while now 15:00:13 I'm excercising my free speech to say fuck you for even thinking about accepting nazi symbolism 15:00:30 ok 15:02:03 look, I also support freedom of speech 15:02:04 however, there needs to be some form of standard to be in place for any civil discussion to work 15:02:54 while pewdiepie is exercising his freedom, he's also violating this standard 15:02:57 i support freedom of speech 15:03:09 namecalling would be against civility 15:03:19 some people will not accept standard for the sole purpose of proving themselves they are thinking out of the box despite falling into the asshole box 15:03:37 but posting inflammatory content is not 15:03:58 if this is the same nope.chat user as before, he is also evading a ban (or multiple bans) 15:04:02 it's just testing the principle 15:04:32 strawberry yes he is, no doubt about the fact he should be banned 15:05:14 yep... pewdiepie is also from nope.chat 15:06:51 look 15:06:52 this is a chat room about monero 15:06:54 we expect everything here to be about monero or monero-adjacent 15:06:56 yall may be freedom of speech absolutist... fine 15:06:58 but this is not the place to show it off 15:07:12 I think freedom of speech is very adjacent 15:07:47 freedom of money is just a broader form of freedom of speech 15:07:54 if you're going to ban him for other reasons, fine 15:08:01 its not, if you are searching for highly punk/piracy/freedom oriented channel, these ones are not appropriate 15:08:04 but that's just edgeposting routine for matrix rooms 15:11:32 https://www.logicalfallacies.org/appeal-to-nature.html 15:11:38 Ah yes, another wonderful day in Monero general 15:11:38 Perhaps this will distract me from the migraine I’m having 15:11:40 Oop ig not 15:11:42 GNU/Morepheus: it may be kinda controversial but imo, **absolute** freedom of speech isn't possible 15:11:44 for example, let's say someone posts kiddie porn or threatens me and my family 15:11:46 sure, the "offender" has the "freedom" but we all agree that these actions are an unacceptable, correct? 15:11:48 we all accept certain rules and boundaries that shouldn't be crossed 15:12:14 When the speech itself becomes a commodity, everything kinda falls apart 15:13:58 I kinda get the vibe but would greatly appreciate a bit more detailed explanation on how it pertains to my comment 15:14:53 syntheticbird:monero.social: "ban f*cker that permit themselves to say words like n*ggers or posting n*zi meme" The first and only rule of free speech is to not censor speech. 15:15:42 remiliascarlet you have a very naive way of seeing the world. If you take that as a basis then justice and moral is impossible 15:16:45 syntheticbird:monero.social: Got too much fiber stuck in your ass that makes you so angry? 15:18:07 remiliascarlet lost too much brains on your way to critical thinking to be that ignorant 15:18:26 Said no one ever. 15:21:24 please, let's not turn this into a shouting contest 15:21:24 the core of the issue, it seems, is stemming from the fact that there's no set of rules we all agreed on 15:21:26 so, for starter, let's all just agree that this is the Monero room and it should remain on monero and monero-adjacent topics 15:21:28 we could just take all the "showing off mah freedom of speech" edgelord stuff to a different place/room 15:22:58 the fact that not mods yet online also don't help, thats all. most usual people are either sleeping or busy right now 15:23:11 don't blame the mods, they have a life 15:23:14 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/WwXylnAnGhwdgGGSvoCWkVax 15:23:33 remilia didnt i call you naive for your views on ai on friday 15:24:07 and now someone else is calling you naive for your views on something else 15:24:11 curious 15:24:22 You did, but then again, you're the one naive to fall for the AI hype, 15:25:12 And really, I don't care if other people think I'm naive, doesn't automatically make it true. 15:25:24 im not falling for hype, i can just see what will happen because i know the incentives and to which outcome theyll lead 15:25:27 It’s just off topic and spam. What else do we need to say. If it wasn’t taking up space I wouldn’t personally care but it is so 15:26:01 Lets just ban pewdiepie and call it a day 15:26:11 "because i know the incentives" Just like with the previous hype called "The Cloud" or "SaaS". Now look where that got. 15:26:23 remilia move to offtopic 15:27:00 The more they were pushing it, the more counter-culture people started taking back their rights to ownership, and the hype itself just died. 15:27:55 Sure, it still exists in some form, but it's not being pushed to such an extend as it used to be anymore. 15:28:23 it doesnt matter 15:28:37 nobody gives a shit about image generation ai web app #200 15:29:23 go continue in off topic 15:29:38 #monero-offtopic 15:29:42 worry not... there's so much ai slop that they started inbreeding 15:29:54 Cont discussion there 15:31:15 Funny how we went from "fuck your rights to free speech and ban PewDiePie!" to "AI so cool, it gonna blow your ass off!". 15:31:23 Where can I find viewkey for getmonero and ccs wallet/s ? 15:32:42 1 sec 15:32:44 not sure. I think its no github 15:33:24 id tell you that my whole point is "ai so cool its going to make millions unemployed" but that is off topic and should not be said in this room 15:34:14 CCS: 41hzbgqgkrYijnRVBLzr1KHsYc1iUBBCJYeeT9d3eiYE2PhbohxxwJLZCNVbTzvAMkhtYGF3RQcr2Ea187AJn8af149UG1G 15:34:14 viewkey: 62ad19781466882d8df0ae85743abcc5c8ef81e52e051e7cc56fe3c610d18001 15:34:16 Height: 15:34:18 3049700 15:34:20 remiliascarlet managed to transform "stop spreading nazi symbol on this chat" to "fuck your rights to free speech". bro go touch grass or take some meds 15:34:45 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu9/monero_general_fund_transparency_report_march_2023/ 15:34:46 generalfund 1 and 2 are here ^ 15:35:05 thx couldn't find it 15:35:36 syntheticbird:monero.social: I never turned it into "fuck your rights to free speech", you did. How about YOU touch grass? And meds are all poison anyway. 15:35:40 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/GTxoZkQiJXgeOOgyBzCESNEF 15:35:52 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/TpymDqgjPEshbpaZjCoIUKFY 15:37:32 remiliascarlet being certain to see other doing something you did is generally bad mental condition. Seek a therapist in your region. 15:38:23 I'm not the one attacking you, which clearly shows who's the one with a mad mental condition. 15:38:35 s/mad/bad 15:39:28 Off fackin topic 15:40:41 lmao 15:43:43 not only that but also the vps provider for monero.social probably too 15:44:15 idk, can you find the original clip? 15:44:23 video* 15:44:39 i am going to report monero.social to the vps provider and then monero.social will get closed 15:45:17 why doesn't the owner of monero.social use bulletproof hosting? bulletproof hosting won't close your VPS for posting a meme about lionel nassi 15:45:21 no worry its cypherstack infrastructure 15:45:25 it's just a lionel nassi meme 15:45:34 it's just lionel nassi 15:45:58 that wouldn't allow you to post meme off topic 15:46:00 pewdiepie:nope.chat: "i am going to report monero.social to the vps provider and then monero.social will get closed" That is double anti-free speech. 15:46:00 so stfu 15:46:10

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