06:36:06 <BlueyHealer> <crispycat:matrix.calitabby.com> i'm technically a zoomer but i don't get the zoomer culture at all <- I on't get some parts of it, such as short-form content. However, I am fully on board with some things, especially humor.
11:42:33 <m-relay> <m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> what's the best place to buy xmr for fiat now
11:46:29 <k4r4b3y> haven-reto.com is seeing some good reviews.
11:46:35 <k4r4b3y> haveno-reto.com
11:59:25 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> correct url
11:59:40 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> GNU/Morepheus
12:33:12 <m-relay> <m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> what's the difference between haveno and haveno-reto
12:36:08 <BlueyHealer> Haveno is the protocol (the developers of which only have a test network without money involved), Haveno-reto is the actual usable network.
12:36:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ones upstream
12:37:21 <k4r4b3y> The market is downstream from the protocol.
12:49:39 <m-relay> <m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> which is the best option to put in cash
12:49:56 <m-relay> <m​alcolmz:matrix.thisisjoes.site> the list is extensive
12:55:17 <moneromooo> Why does there need to be a particular someone running the network ? Is it not p2p/decentralized in the first place ?
12:55:31 <moneromooo> (apologies if it's a FAQ)
15:27:39 <ofrnxmr> seed nodes, arbitrator selection 
15:27:57 <ofrnxmr> fee structure and rates 
15:28:04 <ofrnxmr> moneromooo
15:39:11 <moneromooo> Arbitrators aren't agreement between parties ?
15:39:20 <moneromooo> (thanks)
15:51:36 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Hello, does anyone knows a good exchange that accept us businesses / citizens for monero? We already have one but are looking for a backup.
15:54:28 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Hello, does anyone knows a good exchange that accept US businesses for monero? We already have one but are looking for a backup.
15:58:18 <m-relay> <v​ostoemisio:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/tRLtZGQXjNqYVTIlHwSWMgEZ
15:58:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> There is no way
15:58:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Its over
15:59:02 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Besides kraken ;)
15:59:39 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Still working in the US 🤞but that's one of the reason we want an alternative.
15:59:50 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Shitt
16:00:41 <selsta> it was already delisted from like half europe
16:00:58 <selsta> but rip
16:02:54 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> https://nowpayments.io/
16:02:55 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> https://www.coinpayments.net/
16:02:57 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Not sure if they accept US businesses but most likely they do
16:03:18 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> yep just saw that
16:03:35 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> 30 days left for a dip
16:03:37 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> I don't think those do offramp to fiat.
16:04:50 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Nowpayments can land fiat via SEPA but you're based in US so hmm https://nowpayments.io/fiat
16:05:04 <m-relay> <t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> I'd be interested in alternatives in Europe.
16:05:47 <m-relay> <t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> Or, at least - accepting EU customers.-
16:06:02 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah my bad coinpayments can't convert to fiat
16:06:19 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Coinpayments seems to do sepa
16:06:30 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Interesting will check with them for us.
16:06:51 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Interesting will check with them for US.
16:07:07 <m-relay> <t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> Ok, thanks. Gonna check them out.
16:07:21 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> But we already have crypto payment gateway, maybe possible to just use them as an exchange.
16:07:37 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> If anyone else have an suggestion let me know :)
16:07:40 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Nowpayments you mean?
16:07:52 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Yeah my bad.
16:08:14 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@tsjk:bitcoinist.org> I'd be interested in alternatives in Europe.
16:08:15 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Nowpayments seems to do sepa
16:10:59 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> However their partner doing that switchere does not support monero. So not sure how it would work.
16:11:02 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Any more options? I'd like to know too
16:11:12 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> However their partner doing that, switchere, does not support monero. So not sure how it would work.
16:11:24 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Kraken for US.
16:11:25 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Oh noooooooo. Then it basically doesn't support XMR.
16:14:49 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> But I used it before and it has the ability to accept XMR, immediately convert to BTC or another currency. Then you can withdraw so it might still be useful.
16:18:38 <m-relay> <s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> OK, nice.
16:26:39 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> I am banned on monero town
16:26:53 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> :(
17:27:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> These 4 last days have definitely been rich in social media ban.
17:28:53 <BlueyHealer> What happened? You mean platform bans or individual dramas?
17:29:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> invidivual dramas involving ban on multiple platforms
18:24:46 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> lmao what did you do?
18:59:47 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> https://redlib.nowhere.moe/r/Monero/comments/1fts07p/kraken_delisting_monero_in_eu/
19:00:04 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> Kraken delists xmr due to regulatory pressure
19:00:32 <Juliu> Monero is an old shitcoin that got its hype many years ago, and that will never get back to its heights, like all the other old shitcoins
19:02:22 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> It's meant to be used as a currency anyway lol
19:03:12 <Juliu> No crypto-"currency" is used as a currency so far
19:03:13 <BlueyHealer> Apparently Bisq is now including a means to purchase your initial BTC for future trades... Hope Haveno does that too.
19:03:54 <BlueyHealer> Juliu, take a look at monerica.com
19:04:33 <Juliu> BlueyHealer, oh common, you can't even buy a coke with Bitcoin on a Bitcoin convention. And even if you could, no one would do it
19:05:00 <BlueyHealer> Even now, even with my low-sensitivity cases, I would never use a KYC exchanhe anyway, because I bet the info they collect is enough for someone to take a credit in your name in case this shit leaks)
19:05:02 <Juliu> And Monero is just some old shitcoin that's not hot anymore
19:05:57 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> Get your first XMR (Monero) in the meantime
19:06:01 <Juliu> In addition to that, all crypto-"currencies" are a hoax anyone
19:06:04 <Juliu> *anyway
19:06:24 <BlueyHealer> Juliu, the wording makes it seem like you are a troll rather than someone looking for a genuine conversation. If not - in-person, there is cash anyway. Monero is cash for the online world. And it is indeed accepted in some  online places, and has some genuine utility.
19:06:39 <BlueyHealer> Plus xmrbazaar sells various physical goods for XMR)
19:06:44 <Juliu> BlueyHealer, how's what I say not true?
19:06:58 <Juliu> Cash is a hoax as well
19:07:21 <Juliu> Paypal is cash for the online world
19:07:40 <Juliu> ... and I also don't like Paypal that much
19:08:11 <BlueyHealer> Paypal is KYC, same as cards. No owning your money, transactions can be censored.
19:08:34 <BlueyHealer> Okay, I regret replying. The wording makes me fully convinced this is a troll and shouldn't be further interacted with.
19:10:20 <Juliu> BlueyHealer, it's just for paying stuff online and works well ... unlike crypto
19:10:22 <m-relay> <n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> A low effort one at that
19:10:44 <Juliu> Why is everyone on Libera convinced people with slightly diverging opitions are trolls?
19:11:25 <Juliu> Millions of people use Paypay, and almost no one uses crypto to pay. It's a fact. Deal with it
19:17:25 <k4r4b3y> annoyance
19:17:46 <k4r4b3y> so easy to spew out shit and force others to have to see it
19:18:01 <Juliu> What are you seeing?
19:18:02 <k4r4b3y> universe smiles upon encryption -- does it also smile upon spam?
19:18:36 <BlueyHealer> It is not about diverging opiniond... Trolls are visible by their speech styles and thinking patterns.
19:18:50 <k4r4b3y> Trolls are just sad people.
19:19:05 <Juliu> BlueyHealer, seems you are not used to people talking in a normala way
19:19:54 <k4r4b3y> FCMP++ certainly will make a buzz
19:20:47 <Juliu> What is that?
19:21:03 <k4r4b3y> Attention is the coin of the realm.
19:21:28 * Juliu is bored. So much about attention
19:46:53 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> Nothing
19:46:55 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> I don't even have an account.
19:46:57 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org>  since the attack I can't access
19:47:33 <Juliu> Crypto is a hoax anyway
19:53:36 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> Hi Digilol OU,
19:53:37 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> Kraken continuously reviews listed tokens to determine the impact from regulatory changes on our offerings.
19:53:39 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> As one of the world’s largest cryptocurrency platforms, we are constantly working to support the most comprehensive set of digital assets possible in alignment with applicable regulatory and compliance obligations.
19:53:41 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> What’s changing?
19:53:43 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> After thorough consideration, and exploration of all viable alternatives, we concluded we have no choice but to delist Monero (XMR) in the European Economic Area (EEA) due to regulatory changes. 
19:53:45 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> We did not take this decision lightly and remain committed to providing our European clients with an exceptional trading experience.
19:53:47 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> ...
19:53:49 <m-relay> <s​tnby:kernal.eu> Bunch of pussies. And couple months ago they were publicly making fun of Binance :D. Ps. There were no legal regulatory changes.
19:54:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Holy shit batman
19:54:51 <k4r4b3y> Bureacrats aren't hated enough.
19:58:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> They are all talk, but when it comes to the crunch they fold like a house of cards
19:58:58 <k4r4b3y> Monero better get that decentralized exchange action going.
19:59:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Businesses wont die on the hill doe you
19:59:09 <k4r4b3y> Otherwise its future's bleak.
19:59:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> For*
19:59:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Haveno needs to grow some monery transmitter balls
20:00:15 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Or local haveno when?
20:01:18 <k4r4b3y> I have some people asking me how to buy Monero easily and directly via credit card in my local Monero chatroom.
20:01:24 <k4r4b3y> It's always a tough one to answer.
20:01:36 <k4r4b3y> And every time it makes me wish it wasn't so.
20:03:34 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Haveno add paypal recently
20:03:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Added*
20:04:02 <k4r4b3y> Well, PayPal is banned in Turkiye, so..
20:07:06 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Support PayPal, CashApp, and Venmo
20:56:50 <nioCat> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Haveno add paypal recently <<>> I hear that paypal has it's own crypto now
20:57:17 <nioCat> where is the guy that said crypto bad, paypal gud?
20:58:15 <m-relay> <k​lausschwab:monero.social> Who? That faggy reddit mod?
21:06:42 <m-relay> <k​lausschwab:monero.social> Who? That sperging reddit mod?
21:10:01 <nioCat> guy in this chat a short while ago  "Millions of people use Paypay, and almost no one uses crypto to pay. It's a fact. Deal with it"
21:10:21 <nioCat> guess they needed attention
21:11:14 <nioCat> no idea what is happening on red it
21:41:38 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> Last time I spent some xmr I mined, the transaction took forever because there were so many tx outputs or something like that.
21:42:02 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> I am trying to "consolidate" the xmr from my mining address to a subaddress so I can make a quick spend later.
21:42:32 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> The GUI wants a pretty high fee (3.20 usd) for this consolidation transaction.  Are such fees normal with large numbers of tx outputs?
21:42:40 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> I am using my own node so there should be no foul play.
22:10:58 <nioCat> A consolidation can be a large fee but that is a bit high.  Make sure that you are using the lowest fee setting 
23:30:28 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> I just set it to "Slow (0.2x fee)" and it gave $3.16
23:30:29 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> I tried "Normal (1x fee)" which was probably the default and now it shows $12.67!
23:36:08 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> Maybe that's normal.  It's 0.926xmr, all tiny p2pool payouts.  I see 2380 transactions in my wallet and only one of them is xmr sent.
23:39:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes. P2pool is very expensive to consolidate if youre a smaller miner
23:41:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.0003xmr per payout and about 0.00001xmr per output to consolidate
23:41:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0.00001*2379*145=$3.44
23:42:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> `0.00001*2379*145=$3.44`
23:43:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats
23:43:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> `<cost per output> * <number of outputs> * <price of xmr> = <cost to consolidate>`
23:46:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Each transaction can use a maximum of 100kb. Each output is ~650bytes + the outputs (so you start off with ~1.5kb for a 1 in 2 out tx + 98.5kb/0.650kb) = ~148 outputs per transaction
23:47:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Takes around 16 transactions (16* 100kb = 1.6mb) for you to spend those 2379 outputs.
23:49:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you would have solomined, youd have used  >1.5mb's less chain space (94% less) and 14 less transactions
23:50:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> ki9: im super curious. When you check your p2pool "blocks found", how many _monero_ blocks did you find 🍿
23:51:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I assume at least 1 🤠
23:51:34 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> 1 and I am very proud.
23:53:02 <m-relay> <k​i9:gf4.pw> My 8-core daily driver found it.  I pool with a friend and he used his uni's cs dept. computers and was providing like 95% of our hashrate.  But my little pc found tha block.  😝
23:53:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> youve already banked 50% of your second block. If i was you, id solomine for at least 50% of the time needed to find another block
23:54:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can pool hashrate the same way by using xmrig-proxy
23:55:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Btw. The fee levels are auto > slow normal > unneeded > so on and so forth
23:56:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> 0 (aka auto) defaults to slow if the txpool is not congested