01:11:10 You know I might start solo mining (with my friend) just to avoid consolidating. 01:12:08 Then again, we could mine for years and get nothing. So $3 and some tx time is not a bad tradeoff for a hedge against dry times. 01:13:45 I use the mined xmr for a vpn proxy we share. So I don't want to miss a payment because we didn't find a block this year. 01:14:04 In my experience, small miners get plenty lucky 01:14:31 youre "halfway" there already 01:14:47 Haha that's called Gambler's Fallacy 01:15:01 If you dont find a block within the next 50% if calculated time, switch back to p2pool 01:15:55 Youve mined for 50% of the time already, and luckily didnt get lucky 01:16:11 youre always 100% of the time away from finding a block 01:17:17 I just don't want to gamble. I think our minings cover like 95% of the vpn bill, maybe it's completely covered. 01:18:12 We also only mine in the winter. I don't know about his costs but I spend about $2 in electricity for every $1 I make in xmr. So it's not worth it in the summer. 01:18:45 also, make sure you consolidate locally 01:19:32 Like, don't send the unconsolidated funds? 01:19:42 if you consolidate when spending externally, your tx is easily traceable 01:19:58 Correct 01:20:15 Traceable by the recipient or anyone? 01:20:29 The 2379 inputs create 16 New outputs. You should also cpnsolidate these locally. 01:20:53 the recipient will know your mining address (if they want to) 01:21:22 And anyone watching on chain will know when you spend the outputs, but not where you sent them 01:22:12 Anyone that knows my address would know when I spent them... would they know how much. 01:22:25 Just curious, not evading LEO. 😋 01:22:34 Anyone that knows my address would know when I spent them... would they know how much? 01:25:36 Yea 01:26:20 Coinbase outputs arent hidden 01:27:36 You mean mining is not private? So if I publicize my primary address, everyone can see the mining. 02:04:49 correct 02:05:08 if you mine on any pool, including p2pool, its not private 02:05:38 solomining is private 02:06:42 Amounts and consolidations can be seen, but not associated with an address 02:47:52 I see. Good to know. 06:30:13 that's how it is with centralised exchanges mate, they're all forced to comply eventually 06:30:34 that's how it is with centralised exchanges mate, they're all forced to comply eventually (or to go out of business with enough compliance pressure) 06:30:40 I mostly avoid them because the KYC is likely enough to take a credit in my name, lol 07:00:02 Does anybody know of a xmr price api I can occasionally curl? 07:00:18 For free. 07:02:01 Maybe whatever Feather uses? 07:02:15 coingecko api is free i guess 07:14:26 Can't finding what Feather uses... I'll look at coingecko. 08:27:12 Exchanges are just Government franchises now 08:48:35 https://kewbit.org/haveno-app-beta-release/ 08:48:37 We are excited to announce the beta release of the Haveno app on Windows, Mac, and Android! Haveno is a decentralized peer-to-peer exchange platform for Monero, providing users with a secure and private way to trade. This beta release marks a significant milestone in our journey to delivering a robust, user-friendly experience across multiple platforms. 09:01:12 hey guys! watch out Quickex giveaway results, mb you are lucky that time! 09:01:13 https://t.me/Quickex_en/547 09:39:48 hey guys, any alternatives to kraken in europe? 09:51:07 Https://haveno-reto.com 09:54:21 M-relay, thanks, it looks a bit complicated though. 09:55:12 I guess there's no other choices atm... 09:59:18 Feel free to check out my tutorials on it, if you're struggling with the app at first 09:59:51 I did check out haveno-reto and it's possible to buy/sell XMR using Revolut, for example. So it should be a viable option for people in EU. 09:59:55 nice ! 10:00:39 I bet there will be many more offers there after the end of October. 10:01:40 Yes. Thank you sech1 10:02:39 I'm kinda sad, have been a very long time kraken customer... Well move on 10:11:56 Good thing you'd be ditching a KYC exchange! 10:12:27 I would probably give it a try as well (idk if there are offers in my area though), I do have the initial XMR if needed) 10:31:39 how do I clean my water-pipe, and, also; HOW THE FUCK CAN I SUCCESSFULLY BY-PASS CLOUDFLARE "GIMCRACKS" !?!? TYTY... 10:31:40 :-) 10:31:42 0/ 11:37:44 do i need to link the desktop version to the mobile ? 11:37:54 i only have linux though 11:38:04 Just run it in a virtual box 11:38:10 ohh 11:38:24 I am making AppImage, Flatpak and Snap 11:38:42 in the future will it be the same way ? 11:38:44 But snap is shit 11:38:48 i thought Android app will be independent 11:39:05 i am on Mint , snap don't work on it 11:43:41 i'll wait for appimage 11:45:06 I was adviced by wooder to use the daemon, not the peer to peer protobuf protobuf protocol, which made things easier for me, just requires a server or desktop running. If you prefer not to use a desktop I have started preparing a docker stack at https://hub.docker.com/u/havenodex which you can use to setup and kind of configuration, you can easily run your own network, seednodes, 11:45:07 daemon, rest APi server, I’ve also created some docker compose files which take advantage of dockers network to force all traffic from these services through a trans proxy, so it works a lot like whonix but within docker containers. It would be more secure in my opinion to do this if using Whonix, or Quebs-Whonix is not viable option for you which will always be my primary recom 11:45:09 mendation, Docker, lxc and/or containerd, will all work with Mint 11:45:50 I was adviced by wooder to use the daemon, not the peer to peer protobuf protobuf protocol, which made things easier for me, just requires a server or desktop running. If you prefer not to use a desktop I have started preparing a docker stack at https://hub.docker.com/u/havenodex which you can use to setup any kind of configuration, you can easily run your own network, seednodes, 11:45:51 daemon, rest APi server, I’ve also created some docker compose files which take advantage of dockers network to force all traffic from these services through a trans proxy, so it works a lot like whonix but within docker containers. It would be more secure in my opinion to do this if using Whonix, or Quebs-Whonix is not viable option for you which will always be my primary recom 11:45:53 mendation, Docker, lxc and/or containerd, will all work with Mint 11:51:29 Although this is quite complex/optimistic the compose stack includes, many services one to protect DNS leaks, one to encrypt the DNS, one to force all traffic from the main container to the trans proxy one to host the p2p, you might want to add a local Monero node into the mix too. I think I’m almost there about 70% done. ALSO… have already started learning the protocol though 11:51:31 , once I’m fully comfortable with it, I will open a CCS to do a full node mobile implementation as I also think this will be very nice for the end user but this will only be available on Android mobiles devices not iOS, it’s impossible unless you jail break, there is no way to keep your trades online in the background unfortunately. 12:13:33 uses CoinGecko https://docs.featherwallet.org/guides/websocket 14:18:04 full haveno node, right? 14:18:16 (dont need to have local monero node) 14:18:24 @kewbit 16:34:39 running bsx !! 16:34:57 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/tchncs.de/eeef9d036c62fd864cd840cd1b0126e10f3366351841517194194714624 16:40:47 running basic swap dex ! 16:44:01 This looks way better than Haveno 16:44:17 It’s it actually working? 16:45:52 yes , done several tradea 16:45:59 Arbitrators do but nah I’m not going to include it anymore because someone is making a daemon manager which is a seperate tool and it looks really good 16:46:19 its super easy to trade too 😅. 16:46:53 i mean the whole process takes less time 16:48:23 :D 16:48:40 Cool you are using BSX! :) 16:48:53 Pushing some nice updates soon (BSX) :) 16:48:55 thanks for working on it :D 16:54:01 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/tchncs.de/3435b8e6997396150723a3ed6055a8801bc6e6c51841522026011951104 16:54:11 Wow wtf do we need haveno for then, does implement trades for that? 16:54:36 Only to certain coins ? 16:54:38 haveno for fiat to crypto 16:54:57 fiat can't do atomic swaps , sorry :D 16:55:00 Ahh I see swaps don’t do fiat 16:55:16 Ah ok so still has its place in the market 16:55:58 yeah it will have much bigger role , as it will help people onramp/offramp crypto 16:56:24 What’s it written in? 16:56:47 Basic 16:57:04 Python and electrum? 16:57:16 Basic :p 16:57:37 Visual Basic 😂 16:57:47 Lolwut 17:51:07 i made a calculator in visual basic once, .net framework IIRC 17:51:48 i thought bsx was python? 18:04:54 Its python, was just joking :), started with coding back in the days in basic 22:31:46 kewbit: where can i download public build for testing ? 22:51:12 I’m sorry but I am not allowed 22:51:14 Not until the source code is prepared to be released with it 22:51:38 Which I am prioritising 22:52:12 It’s the AGPLv3 licencing rules 22:53:28 great choice 22:53:54 What do you mean? 22:55:01 better than GPL, hurts big tech 22:55:22 I didn’t really have a choice tbh 22:55:33 Technically I did but I didn’t care to argue it 22:56:15 this what I would choose if it is a niche project, MIT if it is some SaaS or need contributions etc 22:57:16 One of the plugins for it is MIT 22:58:36 <3​21bob321:monero.social> For ccs only needs to be 22:58:37 <3​21bob321:monero.social> All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied 22:59:01 I really wanted to licence it with this by Monerobull wouldn’t let me https://github.com/supertunaman/cdl 22:59:34 Oh no, not those matrix idiots again 23:00:54 You can actually dual licence AGPLv3 with Chicken Dance License it looks like 23:01:09 According to ChatGPT 23:01:24 Perfect 23:02:35 I wonder if that means everyone who uses the software has to do the chicken dance or if the developer how implements it does 23:02:58 I wonder if that means everyone who uses the software has to do the chicken dance or if the developer who implements it does 23:02:59 kewbit, no matter what your license says, you can't have my firstborn child 23:03:23 It did cross my mind 23:03:33 that CDL could be dangerous if you're in mexico. 23:03:52 (sorry, obscure Arrested Development reference) 23:05:37 I should've said: your development could be arrested in you comply to that cdl in Mexico 23:05:39 (sorry again) 23:06:43 Sorry I’m not very good at jokes although I would tell you a joke about UDP packet, but you might not get it. 23:07:36 * sneurlax packet goes over sneurlax's head 23:07:54 im very technical, i bet i will get it, try me. 23:08:39 You want me to explain my joke? 23:09:14 technically, yes 23:09:22 No 23:10:42 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Handshaking 23:10:59 <3​21bob321:monero.social> What does tcp do that udp doesnt 23:11:11 calm down 321bob321, it's not that scary a protocol 23:11:44 Okay so basically TCP uses retransmission and flow control which guarantees delivery 23:11:45 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats the answer to the joke 23:13:39 0x6A6F6B65 is technically the answer 23:13:48 <3​21bob321:monero.social> This was the joke 23:14:11 I’m glad someone spotted it 23:14:17 Haha 23:14:23 i got the joke. did you get that i got the joke? 23:14:32 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Nope 23:15:05 How do you prove you got the joke now though? 23:15:34 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Poj 23:15:59 Proof of Jokism 23:16:25 PoLoL 23:17:01 A new mechanism for generating wallet addresses, your mnemonic must be funny 23:17:15 i almost always chuckle at wownero seeds... 23:17:15 A new mechanism for generating wallet addresses, your mnemonic seed must be funny 23:17:34 Why’s that? 23:17:55 they just picked funny seed word lists. i wonder if their non-english counterparts got such love... 23:18:38 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Is there a level of funny to the poj? 23:18:45 I have my 36 core PC running all day generating vanity Xmr and onion addresses lol 23:18:54 I managed to get 11 character word 23:19:00 Couldn’t believe it 23:19:10 Let me find 23:19:18 poj difficulty must adjust to network levels 23:20:57 i remember seeing vanity protocols with trustless "pooled mining" of addresses where you could pay coin X for someone to mine on vanity addresses from which they couldn't derive private keys. never looked into if the claim was actually legit tho 23:21:32 as in, that they couldn't derive the private key 23:22:08 not sure if it was https://github.com/msinkec/scrypt-vanitysearch specifically 23:22:30 Interesting, I literally had no idea that was possible 23:23:27 i remember seeing a protocol for btc, it would be cool if such a trustless setup were possible for xmr. but then i wonder about the ... eh, efficacy, of vanity addresses. i would usually recommend generating new subaddresses for every tx aye? 23:23:38 Remember that time Facebook got facebookcorewwwi.onion 23:24:22 They must have found a bug in the algorithm or something never looked into it 23:24:24 bet they could get better with some of that sweet sweet ai inference pipeline 23:24:26 To deep 23:24:52 AI? In the contact of math 23:25:27 I played a bit with pytorch 23:26:25 ive just used oldschool tensorflow. 23:26:29 To try to predict sports games based on their previous results and the players and a bunch of other dimensions, spent agents on it and it gave be about 2% edge 23:26:44 my conspiracy theory is that ai server farms are slumbering giants waiting to be unleashed upon hashrates across crypto 23:26:58 Sadly they are not predicable 23:27:15 yea i did similar to train a trading bot on historical information. fun project, idk if they beat hodl tho 23:28:14 Just use the golden ratio bro 23:28:31 And the Fibonacci sequence combined 23:29:13 So did I, it’s lost me $200 and I never used it again 23:29:39 🤯🫨🫨 23:37:30 Is cypherstack/tor stable yet? 23:38:28 sneurlax 23:40:09 Tor project as going ham on Arti right now in their Matrix chat, excited for it 23:40:17 Tor project are going ham on Arti right now in their Matrix chat, excited for it 23:41:28 It was about damn time. I tested the first alpha version and it was already much faster than C tor somehow 23:41:42 and also le memory safety 23:42:25 You can proxy onion services through the socks5 now