00:41:13 https://xmr.sh/ 08:34:27 "Just run the following in your terminal" nah, you don't know what in the hell it could pull from that server with even sudo privilege 08:35:18 clone from source https://github.com/vdo/xmr.sh, read the source, then run the installation 08:37:47 Nice domain 12:34:58 Xmr.mx is best domain 12:35:15 its xmr in both directions 12:46:53 Wait for xmr.xmr 13:17:20 Amazon Registry Services, Inc. owns the .wow TLD 13:17:27 xmr.wow 13:17:48 .wow isn't for sale yet though :/ i've waited years 13:44:12 I will buy any Xmr.something tld 13:46:42 I need to get more xmr.something 13:46:43 But most if not all good choices are gone 13:49:49 xmr.finance 😉 13:49:59 10/10 scam domain 13:50:45 $1,000.00 14:05:16 Hmmm I was looking for a tld little shorter 14:05:39 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/BEyvaeTaJcFUpuucDvdejXqW 14:05:58 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/qoZFBAtWelwzoirJUwXqrSha 14:06:16 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/XbSRQSOhijkiajNYPWGuZgub 14:06:29 Ok, i'm done giving cheap xmr domain 😂 14:08:03 oh maybe not 14:08:05 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/McAFcJXNyVAarDRNHHvmYIem 14:08:37 Niocat ^^ 14:09:51 Yes, many .cat domains are available :) 14:23:44 I buy and sell domains on sedo 14:23:55 So easy to make money doing that 14:43:06 Lovera: saw your Haveno video, very nice :D 14:44:24 Monero.town was nearly going to be monero.cat 14:44:38 Did you see the fake news one too? 😁 14:45:32 Fortunately he took it down by now. 14:45:50 Pls elaborate 14:46:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSyvV9dypmo 14:46:13 https://www.adslzone.net/noticias/seguridad/binance-hacker-datos-millones/ 15:19:29 I see 16:58:59 I've remembered this exists and there seems to be some very recent activity in the repo so if you didn't know what was possible with TUI graphics now you know! (recommended watching with sound :) 16:59:01 Official site: https://notcurses.com/ 16:59:03 Repo: https://github.com/dankamongmen/notcurses 16:59:05 PS: dank (the guy behind it) is definitely one of a kind, just read the releases haha 16:59:07 PPS: here is a doom running through notcurses in the terminal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_w5rh3c76g 17:02:23 so everybody here uses matrix-mossad? how cute is that 17:04:11 what do you recommend? 17:05:20 me? I recomend not using matrix-mossad 17:05:48 What should we use sir? 17:06:43 Ok boomer. 17:08:18 basses, IRC! 17:08:33 * BlueyHealer has borked her matrix server anyway 17:08:42 lol no 17:09:13 I unironically love it for its simplicity. 17:10:40 IRC just work 18:01:02 I don’t know how much people have talked about FCMP++ yet but I was reading up on it and thought I’d simplify it based on my understanding after doing one article on carrot 18:01:03 https://kewbit.org/in-simple-terms-monero-fcmp-explained/ 18:18:09 we only listen to AI podcast summaries now 18:18:46 nice article 👍 18:52:47 I started listening to that it’s pretty crazy, I was expecting it to last longer than 2 minutes though 18:53:47 Really interested in the software that does that, is it a new revelation of Open AIs whisper 18:54:23 It was so quirky, I actually don’t believe it was really yet. 18:54:39 It was so quirky, I actually don’t believe it was real yet. 19:39:35 Hi 20:18:31 Juliu, hi 20:20:10 Hello gingeropolous_. What's new? 20:20:32 nothing much. u? 20:21:16 I'm fill from the Chinese dinner I got and now procrastinating in front of my screen instead of working on my private project 20:22:22 private project? as in , you can't tell anyone about it or its about privacy... 20:22:53 As in it's what I work on in my free time for fun 20:23:29 ah right on. yeah ive been having some luck with my own private project. finally gonna see if we can compress random data 20:24:09 eyedeekay: hello. Anything exciting from the i2p? 20:24:19 You can't compress random data 20:24:29 thats what everyone thinks 20:24:45 Take a look at the No Free Lunch theorem 20:25:14 If you compress certain things better, you have to have less compression efficiency at other things 20:25:54 You might be able to compress random data, but only at the expense of blowing up non-random data even more (and not compressing it) 20:26:30 According to this theorem 20:27:01 eh we'll see. its a theorem after all. the ai bots helping me code tell me i'll have some "combinatorial explosion" , but they can suck it 20:27:26 But other than this theorem, random data is data with maximal Kolmogorov-complexity. Compressing it would mean having found a shorter algorithm to produce that data, which would mean the Kolmogorov-complexity was not maximal, which is a contradiction 20:27:58 ai bots tell me all sorts of things 20:28:05 things I thought was impossible before 20:28:17 now I know anything's possible 20:29:25 gingeropolous_, I am pretty sure your idea is doomed to fail, no matter what the idea is 20:29:46 :) at this point i'll have to prove it to myself, cpu cycles be damned 20:31:28 gingeropolous_, even with an exponential runtime, I am pretty sure you can't do it. Check out the Kolmogorov-compelxity, and think about what it means for a string to have the highest possible Kolmogorov-complexity 20:34:21 indeed 20:36:22 There has to be strings with the highest Kolmogorov-complexity per length. Those strings can't be described shorter than the Kolmogorov-complexity, other than the part of the algo that's included in the packer/unpacker. But this can only be a finite amount of stuff, and hence will be more and more unimportant the longer the strings get 20:37:21 You're now saying that this Kolmogorov-complexity is smaller than the length of the data itself 20:39:28 For something like "1 2 3 4 [...] 1000" you can clearly write a program that outputs this string and that's much shorter than the string itself. But for random data? Wouldn't that mean the data wasn't really random? 20:42:21 gingeropolous_ ? 20:42:44 perhaps. 20:44:37 sorry i don't want to get into it now. perhaps when i have something working 20:45:48 Sure, np 20:52:20 gingeropolous_, do you think P = NP, or P != NP ? 21:50:31 hi, is anyone here familiar with an issue with running monero-wallet-cli with a local node where the wallet refresh drops out after roughly 5 seconds? If i manually invoke "refresh" it receives roughly 15000-30000 blocks before saying "no connection to daemon." It seems to make progress each time so theoretically at least I could get the wallet synced up just by spamming refresh over and over but I don't want it to come to that, lol 21:55:43 for additional context, im running monerod v0.18.0.0 from apt on whonix workstation. it might be a whonix-specific problem but I'm not sure where to find logs to find whats causing the disconnect 21:57:22 what's monero? 21:57:34 https://www.getmonero.org/ 21:57:37 Private, decentralized cryptocurrency that keeps your finances confidential and secure. 22:00:33 🤫 22:06:05 Lies, more lies 22:06:20 What is the truth? 22:08:54 *reply to previous message - oh my god ive been stuck with this problem since yesterday but i just tried explicitly setting a daemon address and disabling SSL and now it doesnt drop the connection. what. 22:09:06 <321bob321:monero.social> who is monero ? 22:09:23 Email ceo⊙go 22:09:25 Email ceo⊙go 22:09:32 im moreso confused how its able to receive blocks at all with SSL enabled, it shouldn't even be able to handshake in that case... 22:09:47 What is the truth? What is the meaning of life? Why do anything at all? 22:10:00 Nihilism? 22:10:31 I'm not quite serious. I was just pointing out the philosophical meaninglessness of certain questions 22:10:37 Find your distraction from the absurd, then call it a "meaning" 22:11:21 :-) 22:11:37 And to answer your previous question: The truth is that Monero is based on unproved assumptions and hence the claimed security and anonymity is just unjustified trust 22:12:00 Also, Moneros are non-fungible, afaik. So much about privacy 22:12:12 Non-fungible? 22:12:37 Yes. Individual Moneros can be distinguished, which is bad for privacy 22:12:46 Are you talking about the cryptographic primitives or the things built on them like the group signatures? 22:13:01 The coins. Aren't it coins? 22:13:02 I'll take the bait, how? 22:13:22 Sure, it works on a conventional input/output 22:13:57 I don't know how. I've not looked into it. Probably you'd need something like a zero information proof or whatever it's called, and I think that was only invented after Monero, so Monero does not have it 22:14:09 *zero knowledge proof 22:14:22 Monero utilizes zero-knowledge proofs? 22:14:31 But of course even zero knowledge proofs are actually bullshit, like all of cryptography. But that's a different issue 22:14:34 Look at Bulletproofs++ 22:14:47 Oh, so you disagree with the cryptographic primitives? 22:15:00 Yes 22:15:04 What do you find wrong with the use of elliptic curves? Or something else is wrong? 22:15:13 But that has nothing to do with the other spect like being non-fungible 22:15:20 *aspects 22:15:39 The use of RingCT and ring signatures implements fungibility 22:15:43 Elliptic curves are an unproven assumption 22:15:47 likely incorrect 22:15:49 All coins are indistinguishable from one-another 22:16:06 Not as far as I know. That's true for zCash, but not for Monero 22:16:26 I think. I haven't looked into that aspect in detail 22:16:28 I'm unaware of zcash's current implementation. What is it? 22:16:40 Don't know. I also haven't looked into that 22:16:49 You seem to have a concrete idea but haven't looked into anything 22:17:03 Zcash also utilizes elliptic curves my friend 22:17:06 It has little to do with using elliptic curves over discrete logarithms 22:17:32 Okay, what is Monero's weakness? 22:17:38 I have an idea of certain properties of certain crypto-"currencies" that I have read about 22:17:46 Okay, can you explain? 22:18:13 All of cryptography's weakness is that it's a religion based on 100% trust in unproven assumptions that are likely false 22:18:25 Oh, you're looking at cryptography itself 22:18:45 Well, sure. All of math is built on axiomatic assumptions 22:18:46 Like I said, yes, but that has nothing to do with these other Monero-specific things 22:19:06 Well, cryptography is not built on math 22:19:53 There is not a single mathematical proof for any working crypto system 22:20:14 Do you mean the issue with nonconstructive proofs 22:20:15 ? 22:20:46 (I do not consider one-time pad to be working since it requires an infinitely long, secretly pre-shared key. And secretly sharing information is the very problem that cryptography tries to solve in the first place) 22:21:16 I mean there is not ANY mathematical proof for a working crypto system, wether constructive or non-constructive 22:21:50 Not a single one. Not in any of the past 80 years 22:22:00 You're talking about discrete log 22:22:01 Okay 22:22:06 I agree with you 22:22:14 What do you suggest for a solution? 22:22:18 I said I does not matter if you're using elliptic curves or discrete logs 22:22:27 Discrete log and ECDLP 22:22:31 There is no solution. Cryptography does not exist 22:23:13 What do we do then? 22:23:21 Don't know 22:23:31 Use seashells again!? 22:23:42 Yeah, I guess so 22:25:08 There's another solution: Simply not tell anyone 22:25:14 Since you were brought into existence and forced to participate in the society you're in, can you fathom using the 'currently best' *attempt* at a solution? 22:25:15 But since you've started talking about the truth ... 22:25:32 It was more of a joke 22:25:39 *Assuming you're forced to participate 22:25:44 I know. Sadly my answer wasn't 22:26:25 Well, I suggest you read "Industrial society and its futute", and then you think about for how long you want to stay part of this society 22:26:31 I've read it 22:26:38 I agree with your point in how cryptography represents a religion 22:26:47 Damn, this evening I'm a complete doomer, ruining the whole positive vibe. Sorry 22:27:03 I don't believe you are 22:27:50 Don't know. I can't imagine a positive future for humanity at the moment. So if we can't even think about how it could all work out in a positive way, then how should it ever happen? 22:28:24 Large corporations with AIs and the centralization of power really frighten me 22:28:36 Well, Camus pointed out the idea of "philosophical suicide", in which we take a "leap of faith" and accept the absurd 22:28:50 Well, Camus pointed out the idea of "philosophical suicide", in which we take a "leap of faith" and do not accept the absurd 22:29:16 All of philosophy is just mental masturbation to distract ourself from the fact that we're going to die and be forgotten 22:29:30 One being a means of existentialism: we create our own purpose in life 22:29:31 The other being the belief in a religion (there is inherent meaning to your life because you life for God and the afterlife) 22:29:56 I find religions absurd and childish 22:30:05 I don't disagree 22:30:49 Indeed, you have to find your own meaning in life. Life is a Kobajashi-Maru test. No matter what you do, you'll die in the end 22:31:06 I agree with Kaczynski in his anti-technology viewpoints 22:31:20 I acknowledge that and I use that as a means of enjoying the meaningless existence that we are in 22:31:25 My meaning is solving P vs NP. Find your own. Not my fault this will destroy all of cryptography 22:31:54 I live simply to acquire knowledge, hear the voices of others, and to live peacefully 22:32:00 I live simply to acquire knowledge, hear the voices of others, and to exist peacefully 22:32:16 Understood Juliu 22:32:29 The problem is that even Kaczynski had no answer what to do. His "back to the medieval ages" approach was just because he didn't know any better solution, as he wrote himself 22:32:54 I'm pretty sure we're in for a lot of trouble and misery soon 22:32:56 Yes, I agree with his anti-technology viewpoints but I disagree heavily with his solution 22:33:01 As always 22:33:25 I'm trying to appreciate the Now more lately 22:33:28 His solution assumes a meritocracy (all anarchist viewpoints do) 22:33:56 It's human nature to want to improve and to be curious. I think his approach won't work 22:34:21 But considering the average level of coherence and intelligence in the human population, an attempt at a 'society' that represents Ted's anarchist and environmentalist ideas doesn't seem to work 22:34:27 Along with what you said, it is human nature to improve 22:34:32 I haven't considered that before 22:34:35 Maybe transhumanism and changing our nature is the only solution. But that would probably only benefit rich people 22:35:03 Honestly I don't like his environmentalist idea 22:35:21 Please elaborate 22:35:44 I can't see a solution. So probably we're fucked. Maybe we should trust in god and let it happen ... But what if you're an atheist like me? Fuck! 22:36:03 Elaborate which part? 22:36:18 On what you think about his environmentalist ideas 22:36:42 I read it a few years ago so it is not fresh on my mind 22:36:43 I dont want to live like primitive cavemen where the strongest rules 22:37:04 Even thougn nowadays obviously also the strongest country rules. But not so much on a personal level 22:37:16 Right, it is more of an entity 22:37:17 Big Brother 22:38:11 Maybe Musk is right and the only solution is for humans to improve themselves to keep up with AI. But that would mean you'd be even more dependent on large corporations, which is suicidal 22:38:34 Unfortunately, the means of production is usually dominated by the most powerful entity 22:38:47 I should look more into decentralization and DAOs 22:38:51 The best you can do is create your own GPU farm 22:39:08 But it is hard as nvidia constantly iterates and releases large improvements 22:39:16 Well, seems I have to become the most powerful entity. That's the only solution 22:39:30 Start a fundraiser 22:39:41 That won't help 22:39:50 I just have to solve P vs NP. Can't be that hard 22:39:58 I'm sure you can get buy with $3.50 22:40:02 I'm sure you can get by with $3.50 22:40:17 Hm? I have a job to get by 22:40:30 I mean to become the most powerful entity 22:40:41 Unlike you guys in crypto, I'm not working for McDonalds 22:41:19 :-) I'm still in education 22:41:26 <321bob321:monero.social> but i get a name badge 22:41:32 Working, or getting "educated" ? 22:41:35 Some of us are hackers and work for tech companies 22:41:51 Well, waiting to graduate. 22:41:54 "Hackers" 22:42:03 Working as well on a startup 22:42:21 Hackers, not crackers http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/ 22:42:23 Im in a Hacker school 22:42:23 I didn't know that you just have to wait to graduate nowadays 22:42:30 I'll later become a professional hacker 22:42:38 Sure, dude 22:42:57 and my mom will be proud of me 22:42:59 Juliu, I don't find a large value in my current education. I am still forced to finish it regardless 22:43:11 My mom will never be proud of me, even if I cured cancer 22:43:34 LLm response: According to the Jargon File (catb), a hacker is someone who enjoys learning the details of a system and improving it or simply working around limitations. 22:43:35 Juliu that is both funny and sad, congratulations 22:43:46 Ye :/ I'm used to it 22:44:20 Did you know that hacking means pressing keys? 22:44:29 ain't no way 22:44:38 hm? 22:44:48 Hacking doesn't necessary entail the pressing of keys 22:44:58 Lockpicking in a sense can be considered hacking 22:44:59 It's where the word is coming from 22:45:19 You are using lockpicks and not keys, so you are not pressing keys 22:45:21 hacking = literally just typing 22:45:35 I mean keyboard keys, not what you think 22:45:51 I'm not pressing keys, Skyler. I. Am. The key. 22:46:02 Are you talking to Jarvis? 22:46:04 Hacking entails the pressing of keys 22:46:28 Not having to type would be neat 22:47:15 Hacker is generally used to mean: someone that enters computer systems in an unauthorized manner, usually with malicious intenet 22:47:19 Hacker is generally used to mean: someone that enters computer systems in an unauthorized manner, usually with malicious intent 22:47:29 This is not the definition that I am using when I say the word hacker 22:47:42 I know what a hacker is. I'm just talking about the origin of that word 22:48:04 Originates from "hack" from the 1300s I think, meaning to cut in a rough manner 22:49:24 Look at you, hacker. A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine? 22:50:03