00:09:29 fmira, please tell me that at least you play videogames. Unlike this traitor recanman :) 00:10:48 kind of stopped playing games after moving to qubes tbh 00:11:06 i guess i do sometimes play yume 2kki tho but thats like. barely a game lmfao 00:11:07 What is qubes? 00:11:23 Is "yume 2kki" a game? 00:11:55 Never heard of it 00:11:59 Juliu: ya, its a multiplayer sort of.. dream walking simulator? its basically a pixel art dream world thats super big and you explore it for fun 00:12:06 so its barely a game 00:12:09 but i like it a lot 00:12:21 Juliu: qubes is an OS that uses VM isolation for security 00:12:23 I think multiplayer games are a waste of time, so I'm not familiar with them 00:12:46 Exploring a pixel-art world ... sounds like Minecraft without mines :) 00:13:00 Juliu: its multiplayer so you can explore the world with friends its not competative 00:13:06 also its not minecraft because its not generative 00:13:13 the world is completely made by the community 00:13:14 What's the goal of this game? 00:13:35 Oh, so the world isn't procedurally generated? 00:14:02 Yea cryptography based on deterministic functions actually seems plausible to crack imo. By that I mean, cryptography that depends on a transformation of one unique input to one unique output. 00:14:03 But cryptography that depends on transformations of one unique input to a rigid function representing multiple (maybe an infinite number) of solutions, where the set of total possible values is too large to practically brute force, seems harder to me. And when I say it seems harder I mean that I haven’t seen promising attempts for solving problems in this category. 00:14:03 How can the world be man-made if it's not generative? 00:14:05 I’ve made a only a little progress with solving generalized problems in the latter category 00:14:43 Juliu: the community can submit their own worlds to add and then they link together and its meant to sort of feel like a dream, a lot of the worlds are based off real dreams people had 00:14:58 Hardhatter, the output of an evaluator-function is usually just Yes or No (1 bit) 00:15:31 fmira, let me google for it 00:15:56 https://ynoproject.net/2kki/ its a web game so its pretty accessible 00:16:16 fmira, do you know the game "To the Moon" ? You might like it 00:17:04 this looks cool 00:17:15 * nioCat wonders what deep thought is up to 00:17:28 lmfao "sigmund corp." it doesnt get any more obvious 00:17:48 fmira, why it is in Japanese? And why is it slowing down my browser like crazy? Is it mining Bitcoin in the background? 00:18:12 its not supposed to be slow i can run it on a cpu accelerated firefox relatively smoothly so im confused.. 00:18:21 So much better on Firefox than on Chrome 00:18:30 Juliu: there are language settings to change to english 00:18:36 its a primarily japanese originating game 00:18:50 Yes, but how to find the language settings if everything is FUCKING JAPANESES!!! 00:19:01 uhhh i think its the third one down on the menu..? 00:19:08 i recognize the symbols for language so 00:19:11 -_- 00:19:15 I'm just exagurating 00:19:56 fmira, To the Moon is mostly about the story and not about the gameplay. But it looks similar, so you might like it. And the story is also about dreams and such, and quite emotional 00:20:08 that does sound super nice 00:20:23 It was done pretty much by just 1 person and got super famous 00:20:39 * fmira afk (does irc have a builtin afk marker feature or is /me the way people do it?) 05:41:53 Wow, IRC is dominant in a conversation for once? 06:30:15 <\x> maaan 06:30:20 <\x> thi P=NP issue again 06:30:26 <\x> we solved it years ago 06:30:32 <\x> P=0 or N=1 06:30:49 😃 06:34:24 <0xfffc:monero.social> You will win 1 million $ as prize for this elegant solution 07:02:08 Was Monero OT secretly renamed during the night? 07:02:26 What is monero OT? 07:03:46 Monero Offtopic 07:04:23 invite needed 07:06:56 Click on it 07:07:09 If you're using element /join #monero-offtopic:monero.social 07:07:28 "MatrixError: [403] You are not invited to this room." 07:07:39 I'll invite you 07:07:50 I can still read it 07:08:00 No idea why this is 11:28:52 Does CCS have a legal organization for making payments? 11:29:19 <321bob321:monero.social> Sent from a wallet 11:29:30 <321bob321:monero.social> Kyc free 11:30:12 Yeah, I know. I am talking about the legality. For example, how can I show my state that I get paid by CCS for my works so I don't get busted when I exchange it for fiat and take it to my bank account. 11:31:38 <321bob321:monero.social> Maybe other ccs devs can help 11:31:46 @detherminal:monero.social I would seek KYC-free means of converting to fiat. 11:33:26 I know how to exchange, but the source of the money can attract the attention of state. 11:33:43 You can't always hide the money. 11:33:59 You can't always hide the money, especially since we live in a society. 11:34:19 @detherminal:monero.social can't you do "structured conversion"? Convert to fiat bit by bit, in the amounts that doesn't arouse suspicion, over time periods that also doesn't arouse suspicion 11:35:38 I really don't think you can make government recognize any monero payment receipt. Their legal processes and Monero's own technical processes do not interface each other, imo. 11:36:44 What can you say to the government? "Here's the payments I got in XMR". 1. The government doesn't know what XMR is. 2. Even if has heard of it, it doesn't like it. 3. The government doesn't have the bureacratic processes in place in order to recognize, understand, and process the payment you got. 11:36:49 Here I think it is still illegal to take Monero as payment. 11:37:07 Or I may be missing some details. 11:37:19 BlueyHealer: where is "here"? 11:37:35 On the other hand, paying workers "black salaries" is also illegal, but common, so I guess not impossible) 11:38:14 BlueyHealer, Italy? 11:38:27 In most of the places, it is not strictly illegal. It is mostly that government doesn't have the organs to recognize Monero as "a thing." Most of the governments in their current state lack the conceptual structures necessary to make sense of an untraceable digital currency. 11:39:36 It is for sure legal as an asset. 11:39:40 Most of the governments, currently, try to make sense of crypto as it is presented in the CEX-form: the user has an account, the account holds coins and makes local fiat money conversion, he pays taxes, etc. etc. The government can't into "self-custodied" crypto. 11:41:30 Also since sanctions hit, more people got into crypto. Not as many that paid for what they needed in fiat, but I still see quite a few comments about servers being paid in crypto, or money being brought abroad in it (because of cash limits being too low to transfer significant savings). 11:42:15 "servers being paid in crypto" <--- that's one of the "killer app" of Monero. A happy user of kyun.host here. 11:42:46 I cannot be bothered with making an international credit card payment for renting a server. Monero fixes this. 11:42:56 I think you can say it was money from freelancing online 11:43:26 Worst case scenario they make you pay taxes 11:43:37 @siren:kernal.eu to whom do you report this? 11:43:55 I mean, which office, or web portal, or whatever 11:43:57 You don't report it at all unless they ask 11:44:14 "You don't report it at all unless they ask" <--- yeah, that's a good modus operandi 11:44:45 Say you don't know the process, or who to report to (because you really don't know) 11:44:58 Yes 11:45:11 They'll be like ok you will report next time. Just pay your taxes, whatever. 11:45:18 Probably government doesn't know the due process either. It just wants its cut of your money. 11:47:42 The government demanding its cut out of an economical activity that it had no part in, provided no help for, nor nobody had asked for it assistance. 11:48:01 That's a good racket. 11:48:12 "something something roads" 11:48:37 k4r4b3y, and my debit card would not even work internationally! Some people go abroad to get foreign cards, but this is WAAAY too expensive, Monero is much easier. 11:48:53 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/pFwJUHwCDfJIhelWMRdJEkRC 11:48:54 BlueyHealer: yep. Monero is the best. 11:50:09 "We live in a society" <--- we (as ppl who have computer skills) also have the power to re-shape the society. We can bring about the change we want to see in "the society." 11:50:20 Also a lot of people rent from local companies with foreign servers, and they are often not censored... But sometimes they are. And chances that they would eventually censor the same are pretty high. 11:51:14 I would say 21st century's most prominent social engineers have been/are/will be tech people: coders, builders, startups. 11:51:35 k4r4b3y, I am doing my part in paying in XMR and showing this option has demand) And in avoiding a lot of popular centralized platforms (sadly not Youtube). 11:51:58 plowsof: Can we replace the IRC bridge by a better one? This is really hard to read and makes me not wanna follow this channel, tbqh. 11:52:10 I guess also in helping my family bypass internet blocks. 11:52:20 See e.g. how it's done in #feather:monero.social, there I don't really notice if someone is on Matrix or IRC 11:52:25 BlueyHealer: very well done. 11:52:25 js, go to IRC instead! 11:52:47 BlueyHealer: Thankfully, IRC is dead except for some people stuck in the past 11:52:50 k4r4b3y, not doing anything even remotely risky though. 11:52:59 I also like the feather channel's bridge better. Makes pinging someone a lot easier with my ERC client. 11:53:12 usa federal tax form has a checkbox on the first page asking if you have received or exchanged digital assets 11:53:22 js, it is way simpler and more robust than Matrix. It has its use. 11:53:29 "IRC is dead" is dead. 11:53:34 Also I only discovered IRC's existence a couple years ago. 11:53:40 Well and it lacks any kind of feature to make it usable 11:53:55 k4r4b3y, Yes. I'm dead! 11:54:02 damn, I thought I was in the future 11:54:04 "it lacks any kind of feature to make it usable" <--- give some examples? 11:54:20 No history, no accounts creating the entire NickServ insanity, no quotes, no replies, not formatting, no reactions, ... the list is too long to list everything that is wrong with IRC 11:54:35 there was an attempt called IRCv3 that tried to bring IRC into the 2000s, but it failed. 11:55:01 No history was a big drawback indeed. But I enjoy the fact that servers are easy to host and consume way less resources than Matrix ones. 11:55:07 "No history": set up ZNC. "No accounts": but there ARE accounts. "No quotes/replies": just copy/paste text bro. "No reactions:" bloat. 11:55:14 I mean, you know that IRC failed by basically almost all remaining IRC users using IRCCloud, a proprietary service... 11:55:26 k4r4b3y, I do use ZNC but agree this is the biggest drawback. 11:55:42 k4r4b3y: ZNC does not do history across several devices. ZNC is a completely unusable mess. I got into Matrix because Matrix was a better IRC bouncer than ZNC. 11:55:48 Also Matrix, I heard, can lag when you join big rooms. While IRC handles huge ones just fine. 11:56:03 "I heard" 11:56:10 "Muh history" is no drawback at all. 1. setup a bouncer. 2. demand logs to be publicly available (monerologs.net). Lurk in the channels to collect the history to your local computer. 11:56:18 It's true that years ago this was a problem, but nowadays you can join a room and participate while history is still syncing 11:56:55 js, I did read about setting up servers. And I read about the person's server, if hosted on weak hardware, could even crash when joining the official Matrix room. 11:57:16 Anyways, I don't want to fuel anymore the matrix vs irc flamewar. 11:57:17 My hardware is on a RockPro64. Running with 10 others serivces. Is this not weak hardware? 11:57:22 My server is on a RockPro64. Running with 10 others serivces. Is this not weak hardware? 11:57:40 As in, a Raspberry Pi is enough to host your own server if you're so inclined. 11:57:49 What puzzles me is that UnrealIRCD has a history feature supported by all major clients - why is it so uncommon? 11:58:30 js, what server software are you running? What are the specs? Also what was the largest room you joined? 11:59:28 Synapse. Some low end ARM64 CPU. 4 GB RAM. 64 GB eMMC for storage. No idea what the biggest room is, probably TWIM or this one? 12:00:00 And this thing is not only running Synapse, it's also running Akkoma, CryptPad, etc. 12:00:07 Also another issue that is relevant is how Matrix stores every message end media indefinitely. My VPS has very limited storage and I can't yet set up a SBC at home, so this is unnerving. Cleaning up media is how I borked my Conduit install, actually... I know this is 100% my fault, but the cause of it was a noticeable issue. 12:00:25 reactions are the opposite of bloat, also https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-08/canadian-farmer-pay-92k-fine-after-emoji-confusion/102579514 lol 12:00:36 Will you be able to host your Matrix server on a 486? No. Will you be able to do it on a cheap single board computer that costs you $20? Yes. 12:00:58 js, and my VPS is 1 gig. 2 would likely be the limit of an SBC I can afford, the 2-gig Raspberries already cost over $100. 12:01:00 "how Matrix stores every message end media indefinitely." <--- this annoyed me to no end as well. I kept witnessing my VPS storage get filled completely when I was running dendrite. 12:01:02 BlueyHealer: Synapse has a command to remove media older than X 12:01:15 Where do you find this thing for $20?? 12:01:18 Also you can set up pruning on the server 12:01:23 "everything should be a text" <--- boomers had the right idea. 12:02:17 reactions are zoomerslop 12:02:20 "Conduit" 12:02:22 "Dendrite" 12:02:31 You guys realize that those are all servers that are explicitly marked as "DO NOT USE, EXPERIMENTAL"? 12:02:36 Stickers and the inability to remove them is what upsets me about Telegram (which I unfortunately have to be on because everything uses it). Some stickers my classmates use are gross and obscene. 12:02:51 js, Conduit runs pretty well actually. 12:03:00 The media is the only issue I came across. 12:03:02 It is incomplete and experimental 12:03:05 same for Dendrite 12:03:11 It's basically "Expect problems if you use it" 12:03:17 Conduit even more so than Dendrite 12:03:33 matrix ecosystem is a dumpster fire. 12:03:50 Not really - you have the reference implementation that works and a bunch of incomplete, experimental implementations 12:04:06 dendrite was supposed to take place of synapse. but matrix foundation can't focus on a single task for more than 3 months, so it never happened 12:04:16 I guess the problem is that the spec evolves too fast for alternative implementations to keep up 12:04:31 l4r4b3y: Dendrite has been officially ceased due to lack of funding 12:04:42 maybe would try installing Synapse rather than getting back my Conduit. Do you think it would run on a 1-gig VPS with around half of that free? 12:05:06 Hm it could work 12:05:09 also the encryption scheme of their keeps getting btfod. So they switch to vodo-whatever and now the ecosystem is a mess with different encryption implementation floating around. 12:05:11 I do still want some groups not bridged to IRC there. 12:05:16 My experience has been that Synapse doesn't need that much RAM - Postgres does 12:05:39 js, is it a distinction without a difference? 12:06:07 Postgres supposedly is very configurable to your hw and needs 12:06:14 so you probably can get it to take less RAM for some increased IO 12:06:34 Ah, okay. Did you configure it? 12:06:52 I tried but it's an art form 😄\ 12:06:58 Are there lighter non-Postgres options even? 12:07:04 so my Synapse right now has 555M of VM space and 153M of actually used RAM 12:07:14 there is SQLite, but it's less well tested 12:07:18 Space as in storage? 12:07:30 as in address space 12:07:39 it has 555M address space mapped and 153M actually used 12:07:45 ah okay 12:08:01 I don't think I have 555M available lol. 12:08:06 so I guess most of that 555M is just libraries and stuff mapped 12:08:17 meaning it doesn't need to remain in RAM and can just be read from disk if needed 12:08:27 is there an offtopic channel? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 12:08:37 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 12:08:59 Yes, but it is as unusable as this one as it uses the same bad IRC bridge 😛 12:09:11 So SQLite should be less heavy on resources? Will indeed take a look at it then, I discarded the possibility of Synapse overall when choosing the server. 12:09:48 My only exposure to the details of databases is in the OWASP guide for now) 12:09:59 I also noticed that a server runs much better with swap than you'd think. I'm regularly running out of my 4 GB of RAM because I run soooooo many things on it. But since the swap is on eMMC, it's actually fine. 12:10:28 It swaps out all the unneeded stuff that is rarely needed and if it is it's still fast enough since latency with eMMC is fine 12:10:47 The VPS apparently has fast disks, so indeed might be fine. You can micromanage what goes into Swap and what goes into RAM? 12:10:55 e.g. CryptPad is nodejs. That likes to take 1 GB of RAM immediately after start. But the "hot set" of memory it uses is actually rather small. 12:11:13 I'm not micromanaging it, the OS does a good enough job 12:11:30 The OS keeps track of what is used the least and swaps that out first 12:11:44 it seems nodejs likes to load a lot of stuff into RAM and then never use it 12:11:46 The services I have hosted there now are pretty light, so not had to manage anything yet. Ah, so there is a priority of what goes to Swap, right? 12:12:12 IntelBroker threat actor is using Monero Minecraft skin in a youtube video 12:12:15 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RUninNJmkInUJZpsxvEIRqjZ 12:13:43 "IntelBroker threat actor" <--- who? 12:14:39 https://socradar.io/dark-web-profile-intelbroker/ 12:15:12 "boy oh boy another site behind cloudflare blocking tor exits" 12:16:12 https://www.cyberdaily.au/security/10793-intelbroker-lists-alleged-europol-crypto-data-online 12:16:32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntelBroker 12:17:04 from the front 12:17:07 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/TUvRrXuRXnlpMcutzwRYhGTx 12:20:23 Anyway, while I don't like Matrix and prefer the simplicity of IRC (also XMPP for DMs), I would still like it. I guess I will indeed look more into Synapse! 12:21:06 "IntelBroker announced that they would be accepting offers for the data in Monero,[20] which was sold on May 11.[21]" <--- baysed 12:26:27 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/which-monero-wallet-do-you-use-on-android-and-why-poll/21271/1 13:37:13 RINO wallet closing down end of October 13:37:15 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1fwmhto/rino_wallet_closing_down_end_of_october/ 13:37:17 rip 15:49:26 Hi guys 16:32:03 from monero-community >> does anyone know who runs xmrchain.net? the stagenet and testnet explorers have a 502 bad gateway error 16:32:08 gingeropolous_: ^^ 16:35:48 Yeah, i removed them from docs.getmonero.org bcuz theyre dead 16:36:42 https://docs.getmonero.org/infrastructure/networks/#stagenet 16:37:01 added 2 new onion explorers to replace them 16:37:36 And by onion explorer, i mean, theseones actually use tor onions 18:09:40 thanks nioCat 18:13:19 muh mdb readers 18:13:23 goddamn mdb readers 18:13:39 Environment maxreaders limit reached my ass 18:16:21 welcome to my crontab mdb_stat -rr ~/.bitmonero/testnet/lmdb/ and stagenet... 18:25:53 Hi gingeropolous_ 18:27:03 gingeropolous_, yesterday evening you missed how I made fmira believe that I might be right with P = NP. He even said it's logical 19:16:52 God, only zombies in here. Slow and no brain 19:17:21 What do you expect? 19:18:14 A channel full of geniuses, actively discussing an interesting topic related to the taxonomy of spacetime dualism with regards to how P=NP proves the existence of god 19:19:22 Considering the distribution of individuals that are 2SD or higher, I would say that it is extremely unlikely 19:19:54 Your exitence is much more unlikely 19:20:10 Yep 19:20:57 See 19:21:17 * Juliu makes note to self to play more lotteries 19:21:26 Can't be that unlikely to win 19:23:52 I haven't heard of spacetime dualism, so I looked it up. This is what I ended up understanding: 19:23:53 Spacetime dualism is the ontological theory that there are two aspects of reality, physical (spacetime) and abstract (the mind) 19:24:07 Is this correct Juliu? 19:24:39 recanman, dude, I made up some nonsense 19:24:56 I don' 19:24:58 Hi as2333 19:25:04 I don't know how it is related to P=NP 19:25:15 racanman, me neither. I made it up 19:25:23 hey Juliu 19:25:29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_space_and_time 19:25:53 I didn't find anything for 'spacetime dualism' directly 19:25:56 recanman, well, actually that is not quite true. There is a nice video about how N=NP is connected to spacetime. Are you maybe interested? It's worth it, trust me 19:26:07 Sure, I'd like to see it 19:26:33 If P does equal NP, then it suggests that the universe operates logically 19:26:38 Right? 19:26:59 recanman, the video also explains why there is only 1 logic puzzle in the world. Here, hope you'll enjoy it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX40hbAHx3s 19:27:32 Logic is something made up by humans. Also, there are infinitely many different logics 19:28:13 Okay, what exactly does it suggest? 19:28:35 That the universe operates like a classical computer and works on algorithms? 19:29:18 recanman, how about you first watch the movie without skipping anything, and then we can talk about it in 10 minutes 19:29:24 Your exitence is much more unlikely >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyyPf4XXcAAquy-.jpg:large 19:29:45 nioCat, the probability for my existence is 1 19:29:47 Okay Juliu. I'm about 2.5 minutes in 19:29:54 recanman, ok 19:29:58 ah shit, here we go again 19:30:38 nioCat, people think that their consciousness is in their brain. What if it's actually the other way around? 19:35:41 I finished the video. I wasn't familiar with BQP/BPP 19:35:55 ok 19:35:58 Although I was familar with the other points. It is a nice explanation 19:36:01 Hope you liked the video 19:36:09 Yes, I think so too 19:36:40 My question was what you think it suggests about the existence of a theological entity/god? 19:36:55 There is a different nice video about P vs NP, but the key take-away there is that P vs NP is actually about inverting a function 19:37:38 Dude, as I said earlier, I made it all up to sound proliferate (is that even a word?) 19:38:15 >recanman, well, actually that is not quite true. There is a nice video about how N=NP is connected to spacetime 19:38:25 I'd like to see what you think about this 19:38:42 Proliferate is a word but AFAIK not used correctly in your context 19:38:49 take this to #offtopic 19:38:54 Okay 19:38:54 I saw a video-thumbnail on youtube with a guy holding a sign saying "N=NP proves the existence of god. Debate me!" or something like that. I would have loved to debate him 19:39:05 * P=NP 19:39:24 Are you in monero-offtopic Juliu? 19:39:48 Juliu has these conversations in -dev, don't bother 19:39:50 recanman, the video you just watched explains in the end how P=NP is connected to spacetime. Maybe you shouldn't have skipped it 19:39:59 don't feed the troll neither 19:40:00 plowsof, sadly I don't 19:40:12 It suggested an idea but didn't go in-depth 19:40:17 just let the daily "Hi" fade away 19:40:25 plowsof, people you don't understand aren't all trolls. Some of them are just above your level of understanding 19:41:04 Juliu: "take this to #offtopic" 19:41:05 recanman, well, some say that information theory is actually more profound/basic than physics 19:41:18 k4r4b3y, take yourself to offtopic 19:41:27 Juliu: retard 19:41:32 retard yourself 19:42:11 plowsof, get a life and don't tell others whom to talk to 19:42:36 i'm sorry -pools has failed you Juliu and you have to expand your operation. now, take it to offtopic 19:42:43 k4r4b3y, is there currently anyone in here whom we are bothing having a conversation? No? Exactly. So fuck off 19:42:48 Well, this channel is "governed" by a certain set of rules 19:43:00 plowsof, get off my cock 19:43:04