00:03:09 <remiliascarlet> syntheticbird:monero.social: "Fun fact: Calcium is a metal." And also a nutrient.
00:03:39 <remiliascarlet> One of the over 15 nutrients not found in any plants.
00:19:22 <nioCat> Kale shows similar calcium absorbability to that of milk
00:19:25 <m-relay> <h​ardhatter:monero.social> Vegetables tend to have a lot more calcium than meat. Meat has relatively little. Excessive calcium intake for adults is a bad thing
00:25:22 <remiliascarlet> Kale has so many anti-nutrients in them, that so-called calcium absorbtion gets blocked, if it even is human absorbable calcium at all.
00:26:05 <remiliascarlet> Green leafs in general also cause kidney stones.
00:26:54 <remiliascarlet> If aten too much of it at least. 4 kg of spinache is enough to kill an adult human.
00:28:04 <nioCat> Who has died eating kale  lol
00:28:58 <remiliascarlet> I hope nobody is retarded enough to eat enough kale needed to kill you.
00:30:30 <nioCat> Spinach and similar blocking calcium absorption is way overblown 
00:31:47 <nioCat> Great, we now have 3 off-topic channels  :D
00:32:31 <remiliascarlet> What we do know is that if you eat oysters (which are packed with nutrients), and then eat almonds (which have many anti-nutrients) within 2 hours, iron absorbtion gets halved. Eat both together, and iron absorbtion is almost nothing.
00:32:39 <remiliascarlet> Is there a 3rd?
00:34:09 <nioCat> Community earlier today 
00:34:24 <nioCat> And other days
00:44:50 <remiliascarlet> Today only just started for me, because it's morning on my end.
00:54:33 <as2333> wow so much science here
00:57:25 <nioCat> nutrition science is the best science   ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
01:18:48 <m-relay> <i​mprevisto:matrix.org> anyone have advice on top few DEXes to swap to XMR?
02:39:06 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Basicswap
02:39:07 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Unstoppable swap (or something like that)
02:39:49 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I do have experience with unstoppable.
02:39:51 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I like it and it work fine assuming your net is reliable
03:07:53 <m-relay> <i​mprevisto:matrix.org> unstoppable came up as positive in other reading too
04:39:53 <m-relay> <a​mmortel:monero.social> I used trocador.app recently and it worked fine
05:01:55 <m-relay> <i​love9999:matrix.org> hey bros
05:02:05 <m-relay> <i​love9999:matrix.org> will fcmp solve everything?
05:02:14 <m-relay> <i​love9999:matrix.org> or will chainalysis still rape ppl
05:03:39 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> chainalysis will still rape peoples... that are using surveillance coins
08:50:00 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> A combination of Seraphis, Carrot and FCMP++ will solve many things.
08:50:01 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just out my blow for simplified versions:
08:50:03 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> https://kewbit.org/
08:51:01 <k4r4b3y> is seraphis still in play?
08:53:30 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> The white paper is completed
08:53:48 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> So is the implementation proposal
08:54:19 <k4r4b3y> they may be completed but since seraphis, there have been a few new monero protocol upgrade proposals
08:54:47 <k4r4b3y> afaik, we won't have the jamtis addresses that was slated to be introduced with seraphis
08:54:58 <k4r4b3y> we won't have ringsigs that seraphis was going to increase the size of
08:55:21 <k4r4b3y> what parts of seraphis are we going to have with fcmp++ + carrot is more apt to ask I guess
09:00:01 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> I’ll request updates from the research lab a post something
09:00:42 <k4r4b3y> @k​ewbit:matrix.org yeah that would be nice
09:01:11 <k4r4b3y> Probably as most of monero users I got lost about the monero protocol upgrade roadmap.
09:01:31 <k4r4b3y> Which features, wen, what breaking changes, rust or no rust.. etc.
09:01:56 <k4r4b3y> Also important, which previously planned upgrade proposals got shelved and why
10:48:06 <Guest9091> hello all
10:48:45 <Guest9091> I am new to this, I downloaded the Monero gui last night and created a wallet and let it download and setup the local node
10:49:00 <Guest9091> today i tried telling it to mine, and it says connected + mining
10:49:17 <Guest9091> but my cpu utilization is only 3% and it doesn't look like it's doing anything
10:49:32 <Guest9091> how can i check, or get some better output?
10:50:32 <moneromooo> Do you have a whole lot of cores ? It might thave started mining on just one thread.
10:51:08 <Guest9091> 32 cores
10:51:13 <Guest9091> it's a amd 9950x
10:52:13 <Guest9091> "0 blocks / 0 MB queued 0 spans, 0 MB " looking in the log the jobs say this
10:52:14 <moneromooo> Sounds likely then, 3*32 is about 100. Check the settings for number of threads. If theres no such thinf, you can start mining in the daemon: starst_mining <ADDRESSHERE> N (N is the number of threads).
10:52:34 <moneromooo> That is unrelated to mining.
10:52:55 <Guest9091> ok
10:53:04 <moneromooo> There's an "autodetect" mode for the best number of threads, check "help start_mining" it should mention it.
10:53:53 <Guest9091> i had it set to use 28 cores
10:56:52 <m-relay> <k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes, I’m actually making it my goal to try to simplify these things, not just with the Monero spec but the apps and ecosystem it’s clearly very complex, a lot of the math takes me a long time to get my head around but it’s important the benefits are clear so that people know what they are donating XMR for
11:00:38 <Guest9091> moneromooo https://i.imgur.com/mWIdmLk.png
11:00:46 <Guest9091> shouldn't i see a hash rate somewhere?
11:01:01 <Guest9091> or some indication that it's actually doing something
11:10:32 <moneromooo> Run "mining_status" in monerod. IIRC you can use the gui to send monerod commands, in settings somewhere.
11:10:44 <moneromooo> This shold tell you the hash rate it's mining with.
11:19:05 <Guest9091> thanks moneromooo
11:19:15 <Guest9091> i hit stop mining, then start mining again and now it's working
11:19:24 <Guest9091> displays a hash rate and like 70% cpu utilisation
14:09:39 <ofrnxmr> K4r4b3y, read MRL
14:09:45 <ofrnxmr> It was discussed the other day
14:10:48 <ofrnxmr> Sounds like fcmp++ is feature complete, and faster than squashed seraphis as well. I'm not sure what unsquashed vs squashed means though.
14:12:22 <k4r4b3y> ofrnxmr: "read MRL" <--- taking a look now.
14:15:15 <k4r4b3y> "Carrot and Jamtis-RCT are for FCMP++" <--- Does Jamtis-RCT mean Jamtis-RingCT?  If so, how is RCT relevant to FCMP++?  I thought we were ditching the rings with FCMP++.
14:17:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes rct stamds for ringct. aiui, fcmp++ still uses ringct, but with a much larger ring.
14:17:38 <k4r4b3y> reuben's comment, "Is there actually a compelling reasons for Seraphis after fcmp++" is probably shared by many monero users (me included).
16:20:24 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> kewbit: I wouldn't say that's the "combination" being discussed. Cryptographically, FCMP++ and Carrot achieve the security properties we want. Further wallet development and JAMTIS-RCT would achieve the rest of the UX. That leaves the Seraphis codebase as internal cleanup once it's moved over to the FCMP++ cryptography.
16:22:32 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> k4r4b3y: Honestly, I'd love to stop calling Monero RingCT and start calling it FCMP++ once it's deployed (just as we'd call it Seraphis). FCMP++ does replace rings. The thing is FCMP++ is backwards compatible with RingCT and was pitched as part of the RingCT composition (taking the place of the ring signature, not touching the balance nor range proofs). So despite defining a new c<clipped message>
16:22:33 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> omposition, and despite replacing rings, it's still kinda the RingCT system.
16:23:29 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> The intention for it to be compatible with RingCT even caused my own work to initially be called FCMP RingCT, and now when discussing JAMTIS yet for FCMP++, tevador named it JAMTIS-RCT (sorry if I'm not styling that properly) despite it being incompatible with the current RingCT system.
16:24:55 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> So that's a mess which may never sort itself out. The legacy RingCT composition being upgraded with FCMP++ into a new composition may still be referred to as RingCT.
17:16:50 <Juliu> Hi guys
17:28:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nohello.net
17:29:17 <Juliu> ?
18:07:52 <m-relay> <v​tnerd:monero.social> dave.jp: it's arguably production ready now. Refactoring the I/o to be asynchronous will take some time, probably a few months to complete
18:59:53 <k4r4b3y> "Honestly, I'd love to stop calling Monero RingCT and start calling it FCMP++ once it's deployed" <--- agreed.
19:08:04 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> people keep getting confused between Ring CT & Ring Signature
19:08:42 <k4r4b3y> The "Ring" is the problem word here.
19:09:08 <k4r4b3y> Everyone starts thinking in terms of "decoys" and then "the decoy amounts" whenever the word "ring" comes up.
19:09:14 <k4r4b3y> This should be abandoned.
19:09:30 <k4r4b3y> Monero, with FCMP++, shouldn't use the word decoy anywhere.
19:09:45 <k4r4b3y> We should just say, all is encrypted (not obfuscated).
19:10:03 <k4r4b3y> obfuscation == you can discern if you look hard enough
19:10:10 <k4r4b3y> encryption == you cannot discern shit
20:34:11 <gingeropolous_> holy cow. my fail2ban got a lot of activity today from my monero cnxn
21:17:09 <nioCat> just change the name to rabbit as it fits with carrot
21:18:06 <nioCat> FCMP tries to be descriptive but that doesn't seem to be working