04:36:25 Hey guys! How is it going? Whats on the Monero agenda this week? 06:22:50 is there a blockchain explorer i can run locally on my monerod ? 06:23:04 preferably having a nice UI 07:05:31 https://github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer 07:08:11 however, compiling it requires `git checkout 59cddbb9ca8e9fe7f966bdb52da4bdd374c65c26` as some of the latest commits have fked things up 07:08:11 devs know about it, so hopefully will get fixed sooner or later 07:08:13 for the time being, this is the workaround 08:28:09 aah never mind 08:29:18 not looking to host it , but it seems too much work 12:02:00 You csn try moneroblock 12:02:44 https://docs.getmonero.org/infrastructure/networks/#block-explorers-self-hosted 13:01:05 https://simplex.chat/blog/20241014-simplex-network-v6-1-security-review-better-calls-user-experience.html 13:02:33 I'm the second most affordability-constrained person in Mexico. 13:15:29 @btc 13:26:24 `btc usd` price result doesnt show on google 13:26:28 `xmr usd` does 13:27:01 you can trace btc transactions by using google 13:27:03 Bitcoin more private than monero :o 13:28:26 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/IFtZTYZewlPnYiAXlYcPxjBU 13:28:30 lmao 14:04:22 how convenient 14:15:38 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/YRXaOPTnBPxyxEkBzCVPNcND 15:07:25 https://www.youtube.com/@Anti_Moonboy 15:07:27 https://odysee.com/@anti_moonboy:7 15:07:29 https://rumble.com/user/AntiMoonboy 15:07:31 I am attemping to reboot Breaking Monero. Check out the videos at the links posted. i have three episodes uploaded so far and I will be uploading videos every other day (next video will be wednesday) 15:22:51 very cool. just watched the first video. one nitpick, monero was used on DNM before Breaking Monero. AlphaBay started accepting it September 2016 (when we still didn’t have a minimum ringsize :D) 15:24:25 it was added but it wasn't really used 15:24:58 monero usage on dnms snowballed with white house, and we know that based on tx data. 15:25:34 ty for watching though! 15:26:10 epic, plan on posting on nostr too? you can use flare.pub and it can be shared via mostard.org etc 15:26:40 i am not on nostr 15:27:10 ok I can share just the link 15:32:14 ty 15:39:59 I will add your dono address when sharing so mostard can parse it instead of using mine 15:40:42 thank you 15:55:41 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/76sdo2/a_new_monero_only_dark_net_market_has_just/ 15:57:07 thankfully i can't reach the clearnet link. my ISP has protected me from this illegal content 15:58:34 which isp is that? 16:00:06 what happened to https://www.monero.com/ ? this website design is completelty broken 16:00:30 what happened to https://www.monero.com/ ? the website design is completely broken 16:01:55 Looks like an XSS injection attack 16:02:50 the deepdotweb link? doesn’t work for me either 16:03:42 dead domain 16:04:29 yea 16:09:15 Just a reminder: I am still looking for the operator of haveno.markets. See my note on xmrprice.fyi. 16:14:03 vik (Cake) 16:14:18 I just pinged Vik 16:14:30 I pinged him first 16:15:25 weirdly it's showing fine on my computer 16:16:15 I see it on mobile though. he isn't seeing it on his phone. 16:16:46 working fine now, I think it was a server issue 16:17:45 alright I just watched episode 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_RDRGqSbyY 16:18:28 it talks about avoiding combining outputs and then in the end recommends churning by using sweep_all, which does the same thing (combine outputs) 16:18:37 what am I missing? I've never seen sweep_all be recommended for churning 16:20:26 im not understanding 16:21:07 sweep all is an input to sweep all of your transactions into one output 16:21:12 what is the misunderstanding? 16:25:02 I think you're giving dangerous advice, that's all 16:25:08 curious what others think 16:26:10 well don't trust me. 16:26:39 if you are veiwing mu videos don't trust me! 16:27:02 if you are veiwing my videos don't trust me! 16:44:34 here's someone else who was using sweep_all to churn. maybe you can learn from that discussion. https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20220823#c140419 16:44:49 of course it's hard to learn if you think you know it all already 16:45:24 the last sentence was useless geonic 16:45:38 well geonic is a retarud 16:45:54 masks off (: 16:45:57 so it is best to ignore him 16:46:00 s/last sentence was// 16:46:11 lmao 16:46:25 that would read... 'the useless geonic' 16:46:27 Fixed that for you, you are welcome. 16:46:35 im just being real 16:46:45 for real? /s 16:47:06 If you want to preserve any sliver of sanity in XMR communities, you simply have to set two Internet-wide ignores up. 16:47:13 Easy job. 16:56:12 https://monerofund.org/projects/eae_attack_and_churning 16:57:05 a number of PhDs have been unable to come up with churning guidelines, but... here's this One Simple Trick! lmao 16:58:23 anyway, obviously you don't want to discuss facts and name calling is not that interesting to me 16:58:30 good luck with your educational series, just don't pretend you're continuing the tradition of Breaking Monero, which was actually rigorously researched and thoughtfully presented 17:00:30 It's recommended to first churn each individual output separately before doing a sweep_all 17:01:52 But as geonic said, PhDs have tried to come up with churning guidelines and have not done so 17:02:13 I think that makes you e retarud, nioCat :( 17:03:22 it's ok though we have lordx3nu, he'll show those PhDs 17:03:25 You can just keep doing many sweep_all s until it seems properly churned :D 17:04:13 As is repeatedly said, it slipped 17:04:24 Phonereeeeeee 17:04:47 It depends on your threat model 17:05:25 Also your type of use 17:05:51 I look forward to never having to have this convo 17:05:54 Soon 17:07:58 ` It's recommended to first churn each individual output separately before doing a sweep_all ` this doesnt work 17:11:15 Having all of the target outputs 1 hop away from a consolidation is statistically unlikely to happen by chance. It makes more sense to consolidate first, then split and churn 17:14:40 All of the churns will have a common ancestor, but statistically more likely to happen by chance (1/256 outputs being the target after 1 split 1 churn, 1/4096 after 1 split 2 churns) 17:18:06 consolidating them makes multiple inputs share an ancestor. Which is why you cant safely consolidate churns or change. While an output may have been private during the churns, the path would be revealed if you consolidate the change 17:19:12 I can't see a scenario where consolidating is better than churning individual outputs, but open to being corrected 17:20:59 lol. 17:27:14 let's say a p2pool miner has bunch of dust 17:27:15 he does `sweep_all` once to his own wallet (the sweep is still visible on p2pool.observer) 17:27:17 so, he does `sweep_all` once again to his own wallet (better if it's a different wallet) 17:27:19 isn't it enough? 17:33:18 there's no difference in terms of blockchain analysis between sweeping to your own wallet and to a different wallet 17:33:32 only scenario where that could matter is if your wallet gets hacked 17:34:16 i.e. your transaction history gets exposed 17:37:00 not an expert, but I'd say that once you've sweeped the dust, your best bet is letting time pass before you spend it instead of attracting attention to it with more churns 17:42:00 " I can't see a scenario where consolidating is better than churning individual outputs, but open to being corrected" take an extreme case - p2pool 17:42:47 churning your 3000 p2pool outputs individually.. later consolidating them ruins your churn 17:44:38 yeah I'd consolidate those. an output needs to be usable in order to be worth churning. there are certainly instances where you *need* to consolidate and that's why we have sweep_all 17:45:17 Consolidating 140 inputs first exposes that the new output is 1/16. Splitting that output cant be determined if it was a split, a spend or a sweep. now churning it again adds 1 of 16^2 possibilities that it may be yours 17:45:55 "those" = no different than outputs that you received in change from your favorite online merchant 17:46:49 is there a command that allows you to combine specific outputs but not all 17:46:53 Consolidating first is the only way to break the link. Churning first then later consolidating _makes_ an unlikely link 17:47:03 I imagine there is? 17:47:33 I dont know about cli, but coincoincontrol in feather, mysu etc allow you to 17:47:33 or is feather the way to go for that 17:47:41 yea 17:49:47 ` It's recommended to first churn each individual output separately before doing a sweep_all ` this doesnt work <<>> seemingly logical advice is just a guess 17:53:36 I don't first churn individual outputs 17:54:07 if needed I do a lazier way lol 17:58:58 https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.28666616.4056/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg 18:00:52 that's a good name for a series 21:28:00 yeah in the cli you can pick certain outputs. feather is way easier though 21:31:41 feather also has coin control iirc 21:32:28 yeah i recommend feather in my series because it is way easier to use 21:32:59 you can also label utxos, so you can label every kyc outputs you receive 22:09:28 The owner of haveno.markets got in touch with me! He/she stayed anon but provided simplex contact info and source code. Said a json api was planned. So maybe we can collab and probably xmrprice.fyi will become a mirror. 22:09:46 Haveno markets source (gitea): http://gg6zxtreajiijztyy5g6bt5o6l3qu32nrg7eulyemlhxwwl6enk6ghad.onion/wireless_purple/haveno-markets 22:09:57 rottenwheel