00:57:00 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> When will the movie be on vhs?
01:53:51 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Does ztrash also have something like xmr 10 block conf ?
02:34:53 <geonic> it’s already on a torrent somewhere afaik
04:31:50 <m-relay> <b​lurt4949:matrix.org> No, just 1 block. in ZEC the user is responsible for taking on the risk of accepting/spending-from a potentially unsafe transaction with lower confirmations
04:32:25 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Most people are unaware of Zcash's advances. There are some good papers from Zcash research
04:32:27 <m-relay> <b​lurt4949:matrix.org> Out of all the poor design choices Zcash has, to its credit, this one is fairly reasonable IMO
04:32:42 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Cryptography-wise
04:33:02 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> In terms of the current network infra, no i dea, but lookin  STARKS are a field of further study
04:33:12 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> In terms of the current network infra, no i dea, but   STARKS are a field of further study
07:47:30 <waltz0701> geonic which movie? 
15:37:26 <geonic> this one: https://decrypt.co/229739/monero-backed-film-limite-injustice-mexican-american-border
18:14:35 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> https://mullvad.net/en/blog/advertising-that-targets-everyone
18:14:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic mullvad as always
19:20:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> here we go lil kevino Go on rant about mullvad
19:33:47 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Where is the pseudo mod yelling off topic off topic!
19:34:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof said #monero was just another offtopic channel
19:35:18 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who is plowsof?
19:36:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Who are you *Rouepourrite* (french)
19:36:31 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who is SyntheticBird?
19:37:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alr
19:37:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> truth is
19:37:21 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i'm rottenwheel
19:37:46 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> You wish.
19:38:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> like everyone
19:38:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> including ofrnxmr
19:40:41 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Of course. He wouldn't keep my dick in his mouth all the time if it weren't because he's obsessed with me.
19:41:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mamma mia
20:04:07 <yubbo> I have some opinions I'm about to let out, mostly flaws with monero (and most if not all cryptocurrency)
20:04:31 <yubbo> irreversible transactions are a double-edged sword at best, see the ccs hack
20:05:49 <yubbo> it's not user friendly at all. I couldn't expect my mother to ever use monero to actually buy anything, let alone keep her wallet secure. heck even the monero dev team has trouble with this (see again the ccs hack)
20:06:07 <plowsof> merchants love that though , as opposed to being in limbo waiting for card payments to clear 
20:06:47 <yubbo> PoW is better than PoS, but a proof of useful work would be better (folding@home, gimps, etc)
20:07:01 <k4r4b3y> Irreversible transactions are the name of the game.  Radical equality, and responsibility.
20:07:37 <k4r4b3y> Re: your mom: perhaps you can keep her moneros on you, and custody them for her?
20:07:53 <yubbo> if I did that it wouldn't be trustless k4r4b3y 
20:08:01 <yubbo> my mom would have to trust me
20:08:16 <k4r4b3y> pick one: irreversibility and trustlessness are at odds.
20:08:28 <k4r4b3y> if monero tx'es were reveersible, you would have to trust someone to not reverse them.
20:09:03 <yubbo> I don't disagree that they're at odds, but that still makes it a flaw/disadvantage compared to a centralized system
20:09:20 <k4r4b3y> centralized system is not trustless either.
20:09:26 <k4r4b3y> What exactly are you searching for?
20:09:31 <yubbo> of course they're not
20:09:45 <yubbo> k4r4b3y, I'm not searching for anything
20:10:07 <yubbo> I'm thinking of things to improve on
20:10:14 <k4r4b3y> alright
20:11:30 <yubbo> I dont think it's realistic to expect mass adoption without fixing some of that stuff
20:11:56 <k4r4b3y> monero's randomx isn't completely useless compute -- think of space heaters and small scale residential solar electricity grid balancing on-demand load.
20:12:59 <plowsof> a warm place for Cat to rest 
20:13:39 <k4r4b3y> mass adoption will come in steps.  Monero's trustlessness, irreversibility in its transactions, may retard the overnight mass adoption -- but that's fine.  People will start accepting and using Monero on their own pace.
20:16:46 <yubbo> k4r4b3y, adoption is stagnant. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-transactions.html the number of transactions has been stagnant for the past 2 years
20:16:58 <yubbo> the people who want it are already using it
20:21:58 <ofrnxmr> "Of course. He wouldn't keep my dick in his mouth all the time if it weren't because he's obsessed with me." << you wish, rottenwheel
20:24:16 <ofrnxmr> you're the one who asked like 40times for me to call you, used words like "admirable" when speaking to me in with your soft tones
20:25:27 <vthor> Nice to see someone testing out XmrSigner (even it is still an odl version) the latest XmrSigner build https://github.com/DiosDelRayo/MoneroSigner/releases/tag/v0.9 (dev image based on PiOS (slow and writeable)) , if people would like to know exactly what im working on, you can track everything on this page: https://diosdelrayo.github.io
20:28:33 <vthor> I see, I caused a mess with getting stuck in the rebranding in the middle and also not putting the things more simple... I will do that in the following days. If you are intrested to support me making XmrSigner production ready (working on XmrSigner OS (buildroot v2 based) instead of PiOS, and a quick library instead of wasting 3 min to recover a wallet from a seed), I have a CCS proposal to address this issue here: https://repo.
20:28:34 <vthor> getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/495
21:06:24 <m-relay> <w​aywardson:matrix.org> my monero node which has https sometimes does a TLS timeout, sometimes it takes a couple seconds for the get_height response
21:06:40 <m-relay> <w​aywardson:matrix.org> wondering why
21:47:53 <waltz0701> What would happen if the US gov were to sanction Monero? 
21:48:03 <waltz0701> Would we see a tornado cash repeat where they go after the core devs cause the actual project is decentralized? 
21:48:17 <waltz0701> just curious about the scenario 
21:48:52 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> They would probably try to arrest/extradite core developers
21:49:41 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> As for the users, not sure. They would probably have to 'give up' their wallets, same way people report XMR to IRS
21:50:28 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> ISPs may be told to block traffic that is fingerprinted as node traffic
21:50:45 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Because of US power, it would probably be delisted in many many places, even outside US
21:52:34 <BlueyHealer> They would probably treat Monero devs like they do DNM admins.
21:53:06 <m-relay> <r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yeah, think Ross Ulbricht
21:56:24 <BlueyHealer> ye
21:56:48 <waltz0701> Yikes. Not a fun scenario to envision. 
22:00:03 <BlueyHealer> And the sad thing is that DNMs either exit gracefully (rare), exit scan or get busted. So there wouldn't really be long-living personas with years of trust built...
22:10:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> To bad i have selsta locked in my basement