15:29:57 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Since there was a discussion few days ago, I found this off-ramp provider for converting XMR to fiat called [Guardarian](https://guardarian.com/). It's integrated in [NowPayments](https://nowpayments.io/). BTW this is not a recommendation, just something I saw today. I will try to KYC with it now and see how it goes.
15:30:33 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I think it's EU only
15:32:13 <sech1> Last time I checked, they had outrageous real fees, something like 10%
15:33:19 <BlueyHealer> What's the point if it's KYC anyway? Last thing I want is my passport leaking and floating around for everyone who wants a credit!
15:35:41 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Scratch that 🤦‍♀️ NOWPayments lists it as off-ramp and says it supports XMR but on their website they're saying it's possible to buy XMR but not sell.
15:36:48 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Not sure how their fee structure really is but this looks scary:
15:36:49 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> - Fees: 0.8% + 25 EUR
15:36:51 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> - Limits: 250 000 USD per transaction
15:36:54 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Not sure what their fee structure really is but this looks scary:
15:36:55 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> - Fees: 0.8% + 25 EUR
15:36:57 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> - Limits: 250 000 USD per transaction
15:38:20 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> <del>Since there was a discussion few days ago, I found this off-ramp provider for converting XMR to fiat called [Guardarian](https://guardarian.com/). It's integrated in [NowPayments](https://nowpayments.io/). BTW this is not a recommendation, just something I saw today. I will try to KYC with it now and see how it goes.</del>
15:49:49 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Has anyone found an alternative to Kraken for converting XMR to euros as a business?
15:50:03 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no
15:50:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its over
16:01:36 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> it's never over. it's more about the lengths you're willing to go to accept it legally as a business.
16:02:58 <dEBRUYNE> siren: Have you looked at Bitfinex by any chance?
16:07:04 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> Yes, looks like Bitfinex supports corporate accounts and SEPA withdrawals (5 eur static fee). I wanted to hear others' opinion because I'm leaning towards using a swapping service (XMR to low fee shitcoin) and Kraken.
16:07:27 <dEBRUYNE> Bitfinex has direct XMR pairs fwiw
16:10:48 <findlay> How long should I want before sending another transaction after a sweep/churn? I assume there's a delay between UTXO maturing and becoming included in decoy set.
16:14:01 <nioCat> findlay: decoys become available same as spending = 10 blocks
16:29:49 <sech1> Bitfinex doesn't have a direct XMR/EUR pair, but it's possible to trade XMR to Euro via some intermediate coin
16:55:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> does putin have xmr/eur pair ?
18:49:43 <m-relay> <a​mmortel:monero.social> Do you mean Russia? Russia can't have euros
18:50:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this was a joke ammortel
18:51:02 <BlueyHealer> WDYM? Currency exchanges work...
19:02:49 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Xmr/ripple pair
19:03:05 <BlueyHealer> What even is the point of Ripple?
19:03:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer racism against Ripple is prohibited
19:03:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you'll be ban
19:03:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Syn got paid 4 ripple to make astro demo site
19:04:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> chatGPT have invaded r/monero guys: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1geh6qg/comment/luhrsbv/
20:45:15 <m-relay> <m​ak_noob:matrix.org> Donated to the TOR project today using XMR! Feels nice :)
20:47:25 <BlueyHealer> aww
21:04:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Congrats buddy tho be aware some people here don't like Tor (I'm one of them)
21:23:45 <m-relay> <-​coffeeplease-:monero.social> Donated as well, so there are also some  people here who do like tor.
21:24:58 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Clearnet only?
21:25:05 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Fed spotted!
21:25:11 <BlueyHealer> I am just happy about a place accepting XMR. I couldn't donate to most projects I wanted to because of that (I would've used my card but I just can't). Think about prepaid cards now but not absolutely sure Stripe would accept it on their behalf.
21:25:20 <BlueyHealer> I2P.
21:40:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've always been a CIA agent
21:40:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ahh promotion
23:43:15 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Now that I said I hate Tor, Tor browser keeps crashing without any explanations and somehow my download from torproject.org just cancelled itself
23:43:30 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> COINCIDENCE??? I THINK NOT!
23:53:23 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Pwnd