05:08:09 Lol rotten reacted to his own post 🥴 06:50:08 how do i make a community of in person monero traders 06:50:12 monero for cash 06:50:21 without getting my door kicked down by law enforcement immediately 06:53:01 I don't think monero has so bad reputation, what country do you live in? 06:55:08 a country thats run by jews 07:08:09 Better run by jews then jhiadist 07:25:33 how do you guys rate matrix/element privacy from 0 to 10? 07:36:56 8 maybe? It’s pretty good w decentralization but your profile can still be correlated across multiple rooms and logged like irc since they’re tied to the same profile/identity. 07:36:57 Simplex Chat is awesome in this regard, the rooms are entirely p2p (doesn’t even require home servers, don’t get more decentralized than that lmao) you can anonymously join rooms and it gives you a new anonymous profile name by default and there’s no identifiable link to you whatsoever unless you fail w opsec and drop hints haha. It’s got other cool features too like tor o 07:36:59 nly message relay servers by default, two separate servers for inbound and outbound messages, stores all chats locally and more. 07:37:01 Found it pretty neat and definitely worth checking out. 07:37:58 8 maybe? It’s pretty good w decentralization but your profile can still be correlated across multiple rooms and logged like irc since the chats are tied to the same profile/identity. 07:37:59 Simplex Chat is awesome in this regard, the rooms are entirely p2p (doesn’t even require home servers, don’t get more decentralized than that lmao) you can anonymously join rooms and it gives you a new anonymous profile name by default and there’s no identifiable link to you whatsoever unless you fail w opsec and drop hints haha. It’s got other cool features too like tor o 07:38:01 nly message relay servers by default, two separate servers for inbound and outbound messages, stores all chats locally and more. 07:38:03 Found it pretty neat and definitely worth checking out. 07:42:17 My issue with Simplex is that for now it is effectively centralized, although they're apparently planning on adding other providers onto the default list in addition to people already being able to add their own. Also really afraid of enshittification because of venture capital, really hope it doesn't though. 07:42:28 Also easy to host a server for. 07:45:24 yes it seems good, creating invite links works almost like creating new subaddresses for monero account, the concept is interesting for sure 07:49:49 A feature I really like is that the link for adding a contact guarantees you'd use the right public key. It is like checking the key fingerprints immediately after adding a contact but just ensures it's done. 09:13:28 Hey guys. 09:13:29 I would like to throw an idea here. 09:13:31 Recently I thought that an alternative to chatgpt with a more privacy focus and possibility to pay with monero would be interesting. 09:13:33 Basically hosting our own LLM probably llama or similar, making sure that chat are private and accepting monero as payment. 09:13:35 Would anyone be interested into something like that? 09:13:37 This is just an idea at the moment. 09:13:39 Let me know if this is not directly enough related to monero and I'll post in offtopic instead. 09:15:10 I thought AI hype train derailed already. 09:15:48 Not trying to do anything hyped. Just providing alternative for privacy conscious people. 09:16:13 But happy to be told if it is useless. 09:18:28 People apparently see use it it, so my feedback can probably be ignored. I don't get AI and see it as a hype train. 09:19:12 "This is how, with a few simple tricks, a loaf of white (or black) bread can be turned into a trolleybus... But what for?" 09:20:29 I think it has its uses. Mostly as an alternative search engines to me. Good for docs. But definitely overhyped for sure. 09:23:26 I like its use for summaries of things that are overly long, but only those that are like this for no reason, not the long essays that just have a lot of details to say. 09:23:36 As for search engines - would rather not. 09:37:07 inspired by that reddit post of similar service? 09:37:32 I missed that. Can you point it out? 09:37:55 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1ggzspl/monero_now_live_on_nanogpt_use_all_the_big_llms/ 09:39:52 Oh wow. Alright. Then forget it hahaha. I was too late ;) 09:40:41 However it seems they just use token so your chat still go to chatgpt I was thinking more of self hosted LLM. 09:41:27 Nvm they have the self hosted one as well. 09:47:46 I mean they are running analytics on the website... 09:48:21 oh nvm 13:26:33 Im a Monero only guy. Where is the XMR payment option? All I see is Nano. real disappointing 13:28:16 I say use SimpleX Chat. Matrix is 1 - 2 out of 10 13:30:35 Homeservers can identify you from metadata. Most public homeservers are hosted using cheap instances from Hetzner. Germany was great during WWII but now they’re cucked ha ha 13:32:06 I am a Monero-only person online, even if not entirely by choice. 13:32:42 Homeservers' problem is how omnipresent matrix.org is, it has an eye seemingly everywhere :/ 13:34:00 Germany hosts the most number of monero nodes btw 13:34:06 true 13:34:50 what about xmpp/jabber? it's old and has many users, not everyone has SimpleX 13:35:13 knownsec, same for Tor nodes. It, Netherlands and the US seem to be the biggest. 13:35:49 One of the reasons why I host my own node! 13:35:58 I like XMPP because it's easy to host, very unlikely to enshittify and the metadata problems are pretty easily addressable. 13:38:13 plowsof xmrscott this is the second this user is openly showing support for nazism. I'm pretty sure this is against libera chat rules. Please proceed to ***CENSOR*** him. 13:38:55 Did I join the community at a bad time? 13:39:18 mhm. as a first impression I would say they were better time. It's not particularly a bad time tho 13:39:30 in general i mean 13:39:41 SyntethicBird is a weirdo. Don't worry about the schizo 13:39:47 No 13:40:05 a week ago it wss invite-only 13:40:07 Schizo here is you - being either an edgelord or something much worse. 13:40:22 Germany hosts the most number of monero nodes btw <<>> because people use hetzner for vps 13:40:23 Nazi / political shit is offtopic here 13:40:30 plowsof xmrscott ^ I think that's enough of an hint he is a troller 13:40:51 I'm not censored this much on X so why would I be here? 13:40:52 I dont think he's trolling 13:41:00 And he's far from the only nazi here 13:41:03 Because Musk is a cartoon villain. 13:41:18 Markus: there are more channels you can explore, this one is often offtopic and flooded. 13:41:19 our rooms are focused on topics. This in #monero 13:41:33 Dont bring your political jibber jabber here 13:41:41 I am a monero maxi 13:41:44 This is a decentralization revolution with privacy at the forefront 13:41:45 There are more? 13:41:47 when I joined earlier today there was a guy that didn't seem to like jews 🤣 13:41:49 so, maybe it's a common thing here 13:41:52 And im a jew 13:42:27 That sounds dreadful 13:42:28 You're not a banker so I don't care 13:42:33 don't care its ethically wrong, libera prohibited and illegal under swedish law (on which libera chat operate) 13:42:38 If u wanna fight, u can find me in dm 13:42:47 Not that you are a jew, but the comment about it 13:42:55 If its not about monero, dont post it here 13:43:27 Everything was going fine until SyntheticBird the schizo derailed this chat 13:43:38 #monero-community:monero.social #monero-community-dev:monero.social #monero-dev:monero.social #monero-offtopic:monero.social #monero-research-lab:monero.social #monero-research-lounge:monero.social 13:44:09 Idc about peoples political affiliations. Not my problem. Going offtopic with them is. Dont pollute "monero" with "my country is better than yours" 13:44:24 Monero doesnt give a fk about your country or band of incels 13:45:38 No man should be cut off of the system for what he says or supports. Banning me is ironic like the centralized exchanges that are banning Monero 13:45:49 You cant stop a jew from using monero, and you cant stop a nazi from using monero. Go cry a river about your beliefs elsewhere. This room is about monero, not about history 13:46:03 So stfu about non-monero related topics 13:46:20 All I talk about is Monero 13:46:36 you get kicked from -dev for talking about the weather, you get kicked from -community for talking about the weather 13:46:37 THERE IS NO STOPPING THE MONEROLUTION 13:46:39 fallacious arguments after fallacious arguments. you must really have nothing else to do in your life 13:47:32 Feel free to keep talking about monero - without adding in your politics 13:47:48 I'm sure theres a monero-politics rooms somewhere on discord or telegram 13:48:03 Half are invite only 13:48:11 hold i'll invite you 13:48:25 I’ve had men in suits visit me for speaking about Monero not my politics 13:48:43 Monero is more threatening 13:48:44 Good for you 13:48:57 Did they bring strapons? 13:49:12 Markus: you should have received 4 invites 13:49:15 Spreading the word of Monero and educating people is what I do 13:49:19 I would be interested by some groups also if possible dear bird :p 13:49:35 Nobody cares about threats. Real slowly: this room is for monero, not politics 13:49:51 Mollylucy, the same rooms are avail on irc 13:49:54 MollyLucy by groups you mean channels ? 13:50:08 #moneo-offtopic for example 13:50:14 yeah like ofrnxmr said irc user don't need invites 13:50:19 #monero-offtopic 13:50:20 the private telegram/discord channels yes :) 13:50:36 #monero-offtopic 13:50:37 #monero-research-lab 13:50:37 I'm also gonna join the irc groups, thanks! 13:50:39 #monero-lounge 13:50:41 #monero-dev 13:50:43 #monero-community-dev 13:50:59 <3 13:51:03 you can't rate services this way, all of them have their own threat model, you have to define your threat model then pick an instant messaging app that suites you. 13:51:03 https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/threat-modeling/ 13:51:05 https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/ 13:51:12 MollyLucy: enjoy 13:51:56 fwiw I like to also rate the real ability and seriousness of a service at providing its threat model guarantees. 13:51:57 Using the internet in any way is risky and if your threat model is high enough no service you use will help 13:52:54 I only use mullvad /s meme 13:53:34 I only use mullvad but unironically 13:54:04 Mavrick, how do you use xmr? 13:54:23 Cake Wallet 13:54:33 Exodus on PC 13:55:44 \> Complain about internet insecure and importance of threat model 13:55:45 \> Use a proprietary wallet 13:56:29 macOS 13:56:31 too 13:56:46 mamma mia 13:57:05 I'm fully doxxed schizo 13:57:32 Like I said, I’ve had men in suits visit me already 13:58:49 Were they playboy bunny suits? 14:00:46 What are you yapping about? 14:01:35 You said you had men in suits visit. I asked if they were playboy bunny suits. 14:01:48 You're trolling 14:02:22 ? Not really 14:03:25 Are you going to Monerotopia next year? 14:03:34 I can't make it this year 14:03:35 Would be a more interesting story if yku said "yes" 14:03:42 This year? 14:03:57 You're an interesting person 14:04:01 Oh. Next year. Idk. I dont plan further ahead than the next day or so 14:04:13 Thank you 14:04:45 You should relate considering the attacks launched on you 14:06:07 The attacks against me here were and will always be pathetic and not worth losing sleep over 14:06:42 I've had much worse drama irl, even during the same time. Bot spamming is kind of hilarious tbh 14:07:02 We will never see something like this again as people will focus on privacy and there will be too many targets 14:07:51 Nothing is going to beat monero, I’m all in and can’t imagine a world where people don’t value privacy 14:08:20 Most people don’t know a “Monero” even exists 14:08:28 I dont think ppl will use monero because its private, but because it works and is safe 14:09:00 Privacy is a nice buzzword, but most ppl dont care about it. People _do_ care about their bottom line 14:09:06 Bitcoin is a public bank account 14:09:24 Parents like to tell kids "im broke" when asking for allowance. You cant do that when you use btc 14:09:47 Bitcoin isnt used as a currency therefore it wont have as much demand as say Monero will. Its swept the dark web and the community is constantly innovating 14:09:57 Businesses like to keep orders and sales / partnerships private from competitors. cant do that with btc 14:10:27 No one uses Bitcoin. The funniest part is people speculate on it being a currency 14:10:36 Maybe do your Monero shilling outside of the Monero rooms so it's not a circlejerk since you love to advocate for it so much? 14:10:47 Monero won't win because its "a privacy coin", it will win because it is safe 14:10:48 I do on X 14:10:57 @moneromavrick on X 14:11:04 I'm thinking Wownero has a good chance in blowing up, afterall, it looks like Monero is getting delisted and banned in certain places. 14:11:17 ... cant a guy get a little jerk sometimes? Its lonely out here 14:11:45 How long until governments realize you cannot ban an idea 14:11:48 Drug dealers will launder using Wownero so yes 14:12:10 BTC has considerable fees so not really usable in transfers like I have - around $5. 14:12:15 I think they already realized, thats why there is so much attempt at smoking the implementations before it blow up. 14:12:23 Btc fees are the same as monero tbf 14:12:25 It's that what bitcoin was first used for, crime. 14:12:40 Isn't that what bitcoin was first used for, crime. 14:12:54 0.00004xmr 0.00004btc 18.4m 19.5m 14:13:01 ofrnxmr, I thought they weren't cents or fractions thereof. 14:13:32 Privacy coins are just now what bitcoin was 7 years ago. 14:13:33 BlueyHealer, fees are the same on atomic units but the value of bitcoin made it so these fees are way higher 14:14:05 Theyre only cents because xmr is valued at 155usd. If xmr was valued at 70k fees woukd be $2.8 14:14:17 Yeah, but right now it isn't. 14:14:31 Perhaps not even 2.8 because of the dynamic block size 14:14:40 Government bans have worked. Only the future will tell if we were successful in creating a large Monero circular economy. This is our hope 14:14:49 yes 14:14:51 It will be once the supply is distributed and used to require value transfer / storage above 3b 14:15:04 Doesnt work as great as it sounds 14:15:21 Stressnet barely moved the fee, if at all, with 7mb blocks 14:15:27 Monerica, XMRBAZAAR, Monero Market. We need more 14:15:37 articmine must be stressing 14:15:51 But then how do you ban it? You just rename, fork it? Maybe under a different name its legal again 14:16:41 fork it, lose its value, governance chaos, trust issues, troller flooding, code maintenance challenge => it will die 14:16:43 The block penalty seemed tk be strange as well. Never penalized the whole reward (or even like 10% of it) 14:17:00 Governments are powerful and if they wanted to ban Monero completely they can 14:17:12 Monero is still small 14:17:21 Monero is only 3b market cap 14:17:23 I dont think so 14:17:28 Its just cold 14:17:43 Yea 14:17:48 Legislation with catch-all phrases "Privacy enhancing cryptocurrencies, ring signatures, opaque blockchain" etc etc 14:18:07 Governments cant ban a space internet 14:18:09 It doesn't matter if you fork it, it will fall under those categories 14:18:11 Screwing monero on the isp lvl is far from impossible 14:18:16 (starlink) from our saviour 14:20:49 Dubai use deep packet inspection, or at least they did on certain protocol usage, the great firewall. 14:21:22 Any VOIP protocols were inspected and filtered for years 14:21:43 Country wide, they also did ban monero already too 14:22:26 Governments have not completely banned Monero for now. Why? They use it themselves 14:22:41 Monero is helpful for the CIA and other agencies 14:23:04 How tf can you ban Monero 14:23:20